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Title: Pentagon Blocks Release of Abu Ghraib Images: Here's Why
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Published: Jul 23, 2005
Author: Greg Mitchell
Post Date: 2005-07-23 22:39:21 by Eoghan
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So what is shown on the 87 photographs and four videos from Abu Ghraib prison that the Pentagon, in an eleventh hour move, blocked from release this weekend? One clue: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress last year, after viewing a large cache of unreleased images: "I mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe.” They show acts "that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane," he added. A Republican Senator suggested the same day they contained scenes of “rape and murder.” No wonder Rumsfeld commented then, "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse." Yesterday, news emerged that lawyers for the Pentagon had refused to cooperate with a federal judge's order to release dozens of unseen photographs and videos from Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq by Saturday. The photos were among thousands turned over by the key “whistleblower” in the scandal, Specialist Joseph M. Darby. Just a few that were released to the press sparked the Abu Ghraib abuse scandal last year, and the video images are said to be even more shocking. The Pentagon lawyers said in a letter sent to the federal court in Manhattan that they would file a sealed brief explaining their reasons for not turning over the material. They had been ordered to do so by a federal judge in response to a FOIA lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union. The ACLU accused the government Friday of putting another legal roadblock in the way of its bid to allow the public to see the images of the prisoner abuse scandal. One Pentagon lawyer has argued that they should not be released because they would only add to the humiliation of the prisoners. But the ACLU has said the faces of the victims can easily be "redacted." To get a sense of what may be shown in these images, one has to go back to press reports from when the Abu Ghraib abuse scandal was still front page news. This is how CNN reported it on May 8, 2004, in a typical account that day: “U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld revealed Friday that videos and ‘a lot more pictures’ exist of the abuse of Iraqis held at Abu Ghraib prison. "’If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse,’ Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee. ‘I mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe.’ “The embattled defense secretary fielded sharp and skeptical questions from lawmakers as he testified about the growing prisoner abuse scandal. A military report about that abuse describes detainees being threatened, sodomized with a chemical light and forced into sexually humiliating poses. “Charges have been brought against seven service members, and investigations into events at the prison continue. “Military investigators have looked into -- or are continuing to investigate -- 35 cases of alleged abuse or deaths of prisoners in detention facilities in the Central Command theater, according to Army Secretary Les Brownlee. Two of those cases were deemed homicides, he said. "’The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience,’ Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told reporters after Rumsfeld testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee. ’We're talking about rape and murder -- and some very serious charges.’ “A report by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba on the abuse at the prison outside Baghdad says videotapes and photographs show naked detainees, and that groups of men were forced to masturbate while being photographed and videotaped. Taguba also found evidence of a ‘male MP guard having sex with a female detainee.’ “Rumsfeld told Congress the unrevealed photos and videos contain acts 'that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman.’” The military later screened some of the images for lawmakers, who said they showed, among other things, attack dogs snarling at cowed prisoners, Iraqi women forced to expose their breasts, and naked prisoners forced to have sex with each other. In the same period, reporter Seymour Hersh, who helped uncover the scandal, said in a speech before an ACLU convention: “Some of the worse that happened that you don't know about, ok? Videos, there are women there. Some of you may have read they were passing letters, communications out to their men….The women were passing messages saying ‘Please come and kill me, because of what's happened.’ “Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it's going to come out.”
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#1. To: Eoghan (#0)
He went on to say: "I watched every sick, perverted and disgusting frame of those videos of boys being raped...twice."
"If you're not cynical, then you're not paying attention."
Top of the Rummy list...segment dubbed "Double-secret Probation."
They are in total terror it's going to come out. You mean Rush Limbaugh is a liar?
LP thread on this subject. medved and Becky near mental breakdown.
all the evidence that shows the horrible abuse and torture and mistreatment of prisoners comes from our own military. They produced the evidence against themselves, they are the ones parading it around. But as it is not shown on the mainstream media, many people believe this to be just lies. And people say you're crazy if you think that evil people rule over us. Evil is their obvious agenda. They want the Americans to do these horrible things, they want the americans to be seduced into accepting it, they want the foreigners to hate Americans over it. They love evil.
wow, I read much of that thread. Medved truly has gone nazi. The bush-bots are in denial on the story despite the fact that there is so much actual evidence released by our own military that the abuse really is horrific. I think if Lindsay Graham becomes a spokesperson against this type of abuse, then he should buy life insurance on himself for his wife's benefit after he dies in a plane crash.
That was excellent, aristeides. OMGosh.. LOL!
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
Rush attempts to drain the seriousness out of these issues with humor, careful parsing, smearing the source and selective acknowledgement of the facts. In addition to just being frekkin loud. The logic works something like this: "How can this man be covering up for prison abuse? Has he not come out with "Camp Gitmo" novelty items? He's mocked Abu Griab. He sounds very confident.. so surely there's nothing serious going on. Those kinds of antics can be very convincing.. but they can backfire too. If the ACLU is successful here, Rush will get the first plate of crow, and no one will ever forget it.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
Did you see that medved opused (well maybe) when he couldn't get this information censored over on LP? Makes me think that the RNC talking points that go out to the doners have noted that this stuff is true. And because it's true, it's really dangerous. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goldi, FreeRepublic is an archetypal example of an over-controlled forum. I'd made LibertyPost a sort of a home on the internet for a couple of years after pretty much abandoning FR. Nonetheless, it seems obvious at this juncture that LP has become a sort of an opposite example to FR, i.e. an undercontrolled forum. In particular, I cannot in good conscience support LP financially while this kind of bulls**t is being promulgated on it with impunity. medved posted on 2005-07-22 21:52:26 ET Reply Trace Decision time, Goldi. You need to make a choice. I'm simply not interested in a forum which allows this kind of bulls**t to be promulgated. It'll be another couple of weeks before I take a look at LibertyPost again and if I still see anything like this at that point, I'll write LP off for good. medved posted on 2005-07-23 23:48:11 ET Reply Trace
Just saw your post here. I just posted medved's opus above.
I saw that.. What kind of defect would cause a person to marginalize what's been credibly described as "rape and murder" for the sake of an arguement on the internet? I know how hopelessly paranoid it sounds, but I just can't get past the notion that someone's getting paid to do this.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
Oh I totally disagree that they are in denial.. they want this covered up .. they know very well this took place.. and know as well it will be the undoing of the war they love so much. And why do they love the war? Because it fits in the overall plan that they embrace.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
Not paranoid.. its the facts.. they know that they can control the media but they cannot totally control interaction between people therefore they see forums as dangerous so they do pay people to sway opinion and to try to muzzle posters and stop others from getting information that may put their power in jeopardy.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
People are no doubt getting paid. I had an article on the group that is probably paying Becky up a couple of months ago. It's a big Baptist church in Texas that is closely associated with Tom DeLay. I'll see if I have the article on my drive when I finish here. I've seen another angle to this however. I used to belong to a lunch group down on L Street where two guys were rabid Republicans. They were both $2k donors to the party and had done volunteer work, but neither were full on political types - one did real estate and the other was some sort of manager in one of the lobby firms. Both of these guys were contacted every morning and given a list of propaganda points to spew during the day. I got the impression it was a recorded message delivered on a conference call - although these guys could have just been pulling a Fahey trying to make themselves seem important. But some of the LP stuff you see sounds like the spew these guys parroted.
Filibuster Fray Lifts Profile of Minister Scarborough Has Network and Allies By Shailagh Murray Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, May 8, 2005; A01 In his home town of Pearland, Tex., Baptist minister Rick Scarborough was tireless in promoting his conservative Christian way of thinking. He attacked high school sex education courses, experimental medical treatments and transsexuals trying to change their gender identification. He recruited like-minded candidates to run for the local school board and city council. He crisscrossed the country to protest the ousting of Roy S. Moore, former chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, for installing a Ten Commandments tablet at his courthouse. And Scarborough created a network of "Patriot Pastors" to lead evangelicals to the polls in 2004. Now he has set his sights on bigger stakes: pushing Senate Republicans to change the rules so that Democrats cannot block President Bush's judicial nominees. The fight over the judgeships was once a largely academic argument over the constitutionality of the filibuster. But now it provides a fiery new front in the culture war. And Scarborough is emblematic of the Christian right leaders who have been drawn to the fray. Scarborough and other grass-roots conservative religious leaders believe the federal courts are trouncing Christian values on marriage, abortion and other right-to-life issues raised in the Terri Schiavo case. While he lacks the name recognition of more prominent religious activists, such as James Dobson of Focus on the Family, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council and evangelist Pat Robertson, Scarborough is a potent force with close ties to House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) and influential Senate conservatives. In just the past two weeks, Scarborough has recruited 2,000 more Christian ministers for his Patriot Pastor network, boosting total membership of the three-year-old alliance to about 5,000 members. The Senate returns tomorrow from a one-week recess, and the showdown over judges could come sometime in the next few weeks. It is a key test of the Christian right's political clout since last year's election, when Bush won a second term and Republicans strengthened their hold on Congress -- thanks in part to a record turnout of so-called "values voters." Anytime Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) or other GOP leaders appear to be backing away from a showdown with the Democrats over the filibuster, Scarborough and his backers are there to give them a shove. This helps to explain the protracted nature of the dispute and the challenge to GOP leaders to work out a compromise. "One of my goals in life is to give the Republican Party courage," Scarborough said in a recent interview. "We have a lot of gutless wonders who wear the tag conservative Republican. Anytime there's any amount of fire, they crater." If Frist, as is expected, mounts a campaign for president in 2008, he will need the strong support of Christian conservatives to win his party's nomination. But for now, the verdict on Frist is still out, according to Scarborough. "I've admired him for his unwavering commitment" in confirming Bush's judges, Scarborough said. But the senators whose offices he calls most often are Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), both conservative Catholics who also may run for president in 2008. Scarborough for years was little known outside of Texas despite long-standing ties to DeLay, who calls the preacher "one of my closest friends," and his 2002 anointment by Jerry Falwell as one of the new leaders of the religious right in America. Now that he is in the thick of the filibuster controversy, Scarborough's op-ed pieces are being picked up by major newspapers, and copies of his nine-year-old book, "Enough is Enough," which discusses judicial overreach, are in big demand. While Christian right leaders such as Scarborough employ the usual Washington special-interest tactics -- collaring lawmakers, issuing press releases, appearing on political talk shows -- their real power rests in their unique access to millions of voters "who happen to go to church," as Scarborough puts it. "It's straight to the heart of people from men and women they trust," he said. Scarborough is part of a constellation of Christian right and socially conservative groups that are spending millions to mobilize their followers to pressure the Senate to try to break a Democratic logjam blocking some of Bush's most conservative and controversial judicial nominees. Focus on the Family has run ads in favor of the filibuster rule change and co-sponsored with the Family Research Council a televised Sunday evening simulcast last month that featured a videotaped speech by Frist. Christian conservatives have turned their attention to the courts because they believe many judges reflect a secular, liberal elite and are making rulings affecting prayer in school, religious expressions in public life, the teaching of science and other matters that are contrary to the will of the majority of Americans. "Judges are law. We have to live under their laws," said Don Wildmon, chairman of the American Family Association and a member of the advisory board of Vision America, Scarborough's organization. "We as any other American citizen ought to have some input in the kinds of people who are going to rule over us." The 2004 election lighted the fire for change, said Wildmon, who is also founder of the Arlington Group, a coalition of social conservative groups. "I always thought to the winner goes the spoils." The goal of these groups is to remove the parliamentary impediments that Democrats have used to block 10 of Bush's federal appellate court nominees and that could be used to block future Supreme Court nominees. Of the 10, seven have been renominated by the president, and the Democrats have vowed to block them again. With a 55 to 45 majority, Republicans currently have enough votes to confirm Bush's nominees but not enough to shut off a Democratic filibuster to get to the final vote. Scarborough, 55, started preaching while a student at Stephen F. Austin State University. His other preoccupation was football; one teammate was future Redskins star kicker Mark Moseley. "I hiked every ball he kicked in college," Scarborough says. After receiving a master's of divinity from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth and a doctorate in ministry from Louisiana Baptist Theological Seminary, Scarborough hit the national revival and crusade circuit for 14 years. He settled in Pearland in 1990 and became pastor of First Baptist Church. His first foray into politics came two years later, when he attended a local high school assembly on AIDS awareness, and was appalled at the frank talk about condoms and "various sex acts." He read the transcript from the pulpit one Sunday morning and took his complaints -- and at least 400 parishioners -- to the school board. Eventually, the high-school principal was replaced by a supporter of abstinence-based sex education. The experience taught Scarborough the power of the pulpit in stirring action, and he became a prominent force on the local political scene. Within a few years, members of his church had been elected to the Pearland city council and school board, and were hired for top local government jobs, including city manager and police chief. But Scarborough encountered some bumps in the road. Several of his church members who won local school board and city council seats proved inept or uninspiring as public officials. In 1996, Scarborough tried to win control of the Texas Baptist General Convention to "take the state for Jesus," but lost to a moderate candidate by a 2-to-1 margin. In 2002, he resigned as pastor and founded Vision America to mobilize fellow church leaders "to promote active citizenship." Even some of Scarborough's adversaries say they were impressed by how swiftly he has ascended in the filibuster debate. His biggest public relations coup was a conference he organized in Washington last month titled "Confronting the Judicial War on Faith." The event attracted considerable media attention and featured DeLay via video calling for Congress to "reassert our constitutional authority over the courts." "He [Scarborough] has made himself a major player," says Rob Boston, of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, who has tracked Scarborough's career for years. Some GOP activists not affiliated with religious groups worry that their original intent of challenging the judicial filibuster on constitutional grounds is now being perceived as more of an effort by Christian groups to impose a religious test on judicial nominees. "We understand their frustration," says one Republican activist, who works closely with the religious groups. "But we'd rather keep the rhetoric constructive and not fire-breathing." During his news conference last week, Bush distanced himself from the views of some religious groups that Democrats were blocking his judicial nominees because of differences in faith. Scarborough insists that his broad goal is simply to put in place "constitutionally minded judges." It is an effort that could last months, even years, but he can't think of any cause more worthy. Along with the influx of new Patriot Pastors, his Web site, http://stopactivistjudges.org, received 850,000 hits last month. "I couldn't believe it," Scarborough said. "We've been chipping along and suddenly found ourselves in the middle of the flow." © 2005 The Washington Post Company
By now, someone like Lindsay Graham must know it. Have you also noticed posts of violence against Arabs/Muslims at LP; and it is not removed? Imagine the same exact words used against Israelis or Jews. Would anyone allow for that?
Check out the thread now. Lastest post doesn't even try to spin the charges. It basically admits to them, but then gives reasons why the information should be suppressed and censored. Interesting tactic by the dedicated RNC disinformation team. As these guys arn't the least bit shy about lying when they can get away with it, their choice of spin tells me that the pictures tell a pretty obvious story.
Remember, these charges of raping children, murder, raping/abuse of women, etc. is old news. It is only now that the release of the videos is imminent that there is any fuss at all. During the televised Senate commmittee hearings all of this was spoken of with horror. Rumsfeld's statement is not recent, it is over a year old. But all the paid shills kept saying the sources were bad. Only because MSM, after the initial televised event, never reported on it again. So, now denial has become censorship for reasons of national security, or to protect the troops or whatever; (which is the torture regime's talking points on this too). I want to know who committed these crimes. I want to know who directly ordered them. I have this sinking feeling that they will not be found anywhere: not the Iraqi victims, not the Iraqi criminals, not the American criminals, not the "unidentified civilian contractors". The regime has had too much time to cover their tracks as best they can.
Me too, Robin... The Israeli Torture Template:Rape, Feces and Urine-Dipped Cloth Sacks When Rumsfeld had problems answering McCain's question, Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, the Deputy Commander of the U.S. Central Command, said there were 37 contract interrogators used in Abu Ghraib. The two named contractors, CACI and Titan, have close ties to the Israeli military and technology communities.
The article from your link continues: Although it is still largely undocumented if any of the contractor named in the report of General Antonio Taguba were associated with the Israeli military or intelligence services, it is noteworthy that one, John Israel, who was identified in the report as being employed by both CACI International of Arlington, Virginia, and Titan, Inc., of San Diego, may not have even been a U.S. citizen. The Taguba report states that Israel did not have a security clearance, a requirement for employment as an interrogator for CACI. According to CACI's web site, "a Top Secret Clearance (TS) that is current and US citizenship" are required for CACI interrogators working in Iraq. In addition, CACI requires that its interrogators "have at least two years experience as a military policeman or similar type of law enforcement/intelligence agency whereby the individual utilized interviewing techniques." Speculation that "John Israel" may be an intelligence cover name has fueled speculation whether this individual could have been one of a number of Israeli interrogators hired under a classified contract. Because U.S. citizenship and documentation thereof are requirements for a U.S. security clearance, Israeli citizens would not be permitted to hold a Top Secret clearance. However, dual U.S.-Israeli citizens could have satisfied Pentagon requirements that interrogators hold U.S. citizenship and a Top Secret clearance. Although the Taguba report refers twice to Israel as an employee of Titan, the company claims he is one of their sub-contractors. CACI stated that one of the men listed in the report "is not and never has been a CACI employee" without providing more detail. A U.S. intelligence source revealed that in the world of intelligence "carve out" subcontracts such confusion is often the case with "plausible deniability" being a foremost concern. ********************* Zip, remember John Israel? But this regime has had the videos and the people in the videos for ~2 years after the videos were made. So, you just know, they've had time for coverup.
Yep.. he rather dropped out of sight didnt he? Probably alive and well living in some unnamed middle eastern country.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
...only until the report is declassified, but that can't happen, one reason - this isn't "isolated" or "a few bad apples" ... By Michael Isikoff Newsweek Jan. 17 issue - Ibraham Al Qosi's stories seemed fairly outlandish when they first surfaced last fall. In a lawsuit, Al Qosi, a Sudanese accountant apprehended after 9/11 on suspicions of ties to Al Qaeda, charged that he and other detainees at Guantanamo Bay had been subjected to bizarre forms of humiliation and abuse by U.S. military inquisitors. Al Qosi claimed they were strapped to the floor in an interrogations center known as the Hell Room, wrapped in Israeli flags, taunted by female interrogators who rubbed their bodies against them in sexually suggestive ways, and left alone in refrigerated cells for hours with deafening music blaring in their ears. Back then, Pentagon officials dismissed Al Qosi's allegations as the fictional rantings of a hard-core terrorist.
But no more. It is no longer about denial, now it is about suppressing the evidence for reasons of national security.
Well, it certainly does seem the military is doing it, but I wouldn't accuse them of being the prime movers. I suspect they are only doing what they know their civilian masters want.
What kind of church approves of or condones the sodomizing of boy prisoners? Incredible.
I meant that all of the evidence that our journalists use to report on this comes from the military. Our own military has had written reports that show this abuse. Our own military has made videos and pictures of the abuse. The prime sources that are so damning are from our own military. The military of course I tell you is not full of peopple who would do this. It is a minority among our military who are of course doing this at the direction of the evil ones who rule.
Sorry, I misread your post. Read it too fast. By the way, the bots on LP are still upset. Now becket saunders is threatening to leave. The posting of: "Sodomizing Children. For Freedom.". They don't even bother to claim the story they object to so much is false.
That was hilarious. I haven't been over there since Goldi banned me; thanks for the stroll down Memory Lane. Watching that fat moron Medved's head explode was very gratifying.
NOW are the posts of REAL American patriots! UGH~~ To: greatglory This is ridiculous.I could care less what they do to the enemy.What ever is needed to get the information out of these animals.No one should be allowed access.This is War. 24 posted on 07/23/2005 7:20:04 PM PDT by patriciamary http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1449267/posts?page=51,50
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
Dead on. Anyone who thinks this is some random series of events inspired by a few lowly corporals is taking really good drugs. We already know what drugs Pigboy is on, which explains his sicko Gitmo tshirts.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress last year, after viewing a large cache of unreleased images: "I mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe.” They show acts "that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane," he added.
#2. To: orangedog (#1)
“Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild, a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe." -Benjamin Disraeli
#3. To: Eoghan (#0)
"’The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience,’ Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told reporters after Rumsfeld testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee. ’We're talking about rape and murder -- and some very serious charges.’
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#4. To: Eoghan, Zipporah, christine, crack monkey, BTP Holdings (#0)
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#5. To: Eoghan (#0)
#6. To: robin (#4)
#7. To: robin, aristeides (#4)
#8. To: robin (#3)
You mean Rush Limbaugh is a liar?
#9. To: Jhoffa_, Eoghan (#0)
3. To: Goldi-Lox (#0)
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#10. To: robin (#4)
LP thread on this subject. medved and Becky near mental breakdown.
#11. To: crack monkey (#9)
#12. To: Red Jones (#6)
The bush-bots are in denial on the story despite the fact that there is so much actual evidence released by our own military that the abuse really is horrific.
#13. To: Jhoffa_ (#11)
I know how hopelessly paranoid it sounds, but I just can't get past the notion that someone's getting paid to do this.
#14. To: Jhoffa_ (#11)
I know how hopelessly paranoid it sounds, but I just can't get past the notion that someone's getting paid to do this.
#15. To: Jhoffa_ (#11)
Here is one guy that I heard was now paying posters out of the collection plate.
#16. To: Red Jones, Jhoffa (#6)
I think if Lindsay Graham becomes a spokesperson against this type of abuse, then he should buy life insurance on himself for his wife's benefit after he dies in a plane crash.
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#17. To: robin, Jhoffa_, Zipporah (#16)
#18. To: crack monkey, All (#17)
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#19. To: robin (#18)
I have this sinking feeling that they will not be found anywhere:
“Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild, a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe." -Benjamin Disraeli
#20. To: Eoghan, Zipporah (#19)
In the case of the Lebanese man, said to have been raped by his Israeli captors, his lawyer demanded compensation of $1.47 million. The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel documented the types of torture meted out on Arab prisoners. Many of the tactics coincide with those contained in the Taguba report: beatings and prolonged periods handcuffed to furniture. In an article in the December 1998 issue of The Progressive, Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb reported on the treatment given to a 23-year old Palestinian held on "administrative detention." The prisoner was "cuffed behind a chair 17 hours a day for 120 days . . . [he] had his head covered with a sack, which was often dipped in urine or feces. Guards played loud music right next to his ears and frequently taunted him with threats of physical and sexual violence."
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#21. To: robin (#20)
#22. To: robin (#20)
Although it is still largely undocumented if any of the contractor named in the report of General Antonio Taguba were associated with the Israeli military or intelligence services,
“Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild, a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe." -Benjamin Disraeli
#23. To: Eoghan (#22)
Back then, Pentagon officials dismissed Al Qosi's allegations as the fictional rantings of a hard-core terrorist.
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#24. To: Red Jones (#5)
all the evidence that shows the horrible abuse and torture and mistreatment of prisoners comes from our own military.
#25. To: crack monkey (#15)
#26. To: aristeides (#24)
#27. To: Red Jones (#26)
#28. To: robin (#4)
LP thread on this subject. medved and Becky near mental breakdown.
#29. To: aristeides (#27)
#30. To: aristeides (#24)
Well, it certainly does seem the military is doing it, but I wouldn't accuse them of being the prime movers. I suspect they are only doing what they know their civilian masters want.
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