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Title: What about population control?
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Published: Nov 17, 2008
Author: salemguy
Post Date: 2008-11-17 23:35:10 by salemguy
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So I've been looking at comments about Obama's new war plans, not, and something that's been bugging me for a while causes me to post this. I'm curious what you think and what you think we should do, as a freedom forum. When, with all these crises on climate change, energy, food, water, land use, environment, etc., are we going to address the problem of too many people? I'm pretty sure we already have too many people. How should we do that? I think we should have global goals for a population reduction of 50% by 2050, via natural deaths, contraception, and abortion. How do we get there?
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#59. To: mirage (#1)
ROTFLMAO! I saw a bumper sticker on a car parked at Vermont's Quechee Gorge parking area one day that stated "Two's company, 6 billion is too many people!" Now did the occupants of the car offer to 'get the ball rolling' by leaping off the bridge to splash their brains all over the rocks 200 feet below? Of course not. Hypocrits. You want population control? Off yourself. Do it now. For the other children.
There was a piece on the news last night about all the starving people lining up at food banks; and how terrible it was that there wasn't enough food to go around. Meanwhile; I stumble across a website that shows how a family in a California urban setting grows 3 TONS of produce on 1/10 of an acre on an annual basis. You lazy b*tards want food??? Then GROW some. Container gardening...it can be done almost ANYWHERE. Git 'er done.
Democrats...Republicans... :-)
Yup, I do lots of container gardening and I live in an apartment. It works! I have tomatoes, peppers, herbs, flowers, even roses..
How do we get there? We come to your house and reduce the family by 50% starting with you.
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
The tax and super-spend politicians need the pyramidal structure of an ever increasing population to justify their debt.
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
EXACTLY!!!
It is now time for Atlas to shrug.
Darn right it works! I am so tired of listening to these people whine becuase the food banks are running short. Geez...a few 3-gallon pots; an earth box, or hanging baskets and you will be up to your hindquarters in vegetables. Save seeds and you won't be able to give them all away. I try to show people every year how they can grow more vegetables than they would know what to do with; and they blow me off. To hell with it...if you aren't willing to take the bull by the horns, then sit down, shut up, and quit whining. "Teach a man to fish..."
Sounds very interesting. What are they growing and how are they doing it?
Do you eat meat? If you do then you just broke your "have a right to exist" motto.
I'm trying to find out...I've seen some photos that show Earth Boxes and raised beds ('square foot gardening'); but I am trying to contact them directly.
Well, goodness, I guess I've learned how to use this forum. I've been waiting for a while for some intelligent thought, just checking my pings, which seem uniformly to suggest I kiil myself or volunteer to be murdered, or my mother made a mistake (lotta bright shit here, eh?), but I took some time today to poke around, and lo and behold, there is actually some clear perception, even agreement out there! Sorry it took me so long to figure that out. I don't visit every day. Hope to keep the thread alive, and contribute. Getting human population under control, using all means - education, contraception, abortion, sterilzation and euthansia - is as important, perhaps more so, as curbing our environmental impacts! The two are intricately related. For those looking for a framework, and a civil discussion, check this piece of research work out: http://www.ehponline.org/members/2005/113-9/ehp0113-a00598.pdf (7.3Mb) For Rowdee, I'm a business project manager most recently into organic soil amendments and biofuels, but I do love butterflies. And for farmfriend, who said "bad government policy driven by environmentalism" has caused western US water issues, sorry, there really isn't enough water. I grew up in the west and watched the mighty Colorado turn into a saline trickle.
You don't deserve a 'civil discussion'. You deserve a visit from Grim Reaper followed by a visit from a salt truck. That's what you deserve oh dark and dangerous soul.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Uh, thanks again for a constructive comment... what is so dark and dangerous about addressing population control?
What is it about you sick mother fuckers - you don't deserve debate, consideration or even oxygen. Do you understand now ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I propose we begin (and end) with every Liberal Socialist de constructionist death cult member in AmeriKa and that we start today.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
LOL! Actually I was correct but showing you proof would be pointless. I'll just leave you with a small amount of food for thought, though I now suspect you don't think. In the 1800s we had 20 trees/acre, now we have 300+ trees/acre. You think those extra trees don't drink water? Less water in the ground means less in the streams. Precipitation as a whole has not decreased only runoff. Runoff has decreased some 17%. That is the result of environmental policy plain and simple.
Where the hell do you live? The SW deserts don't have that many trees, nor do I suspect most of west TX does... and trees-are-a-problem-with-respect-to-the-use- of water? What planet do you live on?
What's your problem with answering questions?
What is it about you sick mother fuckers - you don't deserve debate, consideration or even oxygen. Do you understand now ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Grow up, rotara.........and challenge his intellect, if you can find it.......and I am not suggesting that EITHER you or he is fully funded in that departrment or running a deficit. I just wish you would expend your energies at getting at the issues--not lambasting individuals for their thoughts.
Agreed, your better than that.
de constructionists are not worthy of debate. They're worthy of having hot coals poured over their heads. These people have been debated for decades and they just don't give a shit. Fuck'em
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Agreed but that doesn't excuse your bad behavior.
Re: Bad Behavior and the Enemy Within; you ain't seen nothin' yet. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
You know, really, you are just flat wrong in trying to bombastically try to prevent civil debate on any issue, story or discussion merely because you disagree. You are still only a human being, not the overiding authority of this universe. Your opinion deserves respect, and so does that of everyone else. If you want respect, try reciprocating please. Population control by natural attrition is the same thing as learning to live within the carrying capacity of the budget of what resources and space is availible on spaceship Earth, and to express concern we are over extending out carrying capacity is a legitamate discussion, so why don't you calm down and stop being such a blood thirty harpy every damn time you disagreee with someone. With all due respect, you don't have to be such a pain in the neck, and besides, the mission statement of the forum is a free speech one. So really, it would behoove you to remember that and to lighten up.
You're so twisted you believe you support the united States Constitution.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Hitler, Stalin and Mao can all come here and spew their doublethink. GFY, Mike.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
You can easily be replaced. Now go kill yourself for the good of humanity.
Another reason to consider suicide.
if these two are all that concerned about 'carrying capacity' and whatnot why aren't they in favor of deporting illegals and limiting immigration??
Maybe they think whites should only be in Europe and the rest of us should be dead.
You are so twisted, you have zero, nada, zip idea about the fact this is a free speech forum. You are abusive and violently disposed toward those expressing opinions you do no0t like. Thid is Freedom4UM.com, not suck Rotara off until he smiles dot com, buttfuck.
America can't afford you Traitors anymore.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Translation: America can't afford a diversity of opinion and everyone much operate lockstep with you, or else. My thoughts, you are way wrong, we all still have to listen and weigh what we all think about things and work out solutions, because that is what the Constitution is all about, the checks and balances involved with different power groups and factions problem solving andn working things out. You need to grow up, and while I don't ever like being that blunt, or as blunt as the last post to you, you are just so out of line, so humorles and intolerent, you have thrown the babt out with the bathwater. You need to re-assess your manner of thinking about what free speech is and what the Constitution and founder intent is all about.
Translation: America was destroyed by people like you NeoCommies and your Fellow Traveling NeoCons. I'm not apart of your delusional suicide pact. I'd just as soon do this in a bar with my bare hands and a pool stick, frankly. But you simply aren't worth it.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I see nothing wrong with zero population growth in developed countries. It's a a natural response to greater wealth, better health, and more leisure time. I also think that the population densities we have now in the US are optimal for maintaining the quality of life that we enjoy. That doesn't mean that I support government social engineering programs that try to ENFORCE zero population growth. Would you really like to live in a society like China where the government tells you how many children you can have? If you want to see less population growth, go and help build societies around the world where people voluntarily have fewer children because they have a higher standard of living and long life expectancies. And while you're at it, work to do something about unrestricted third world immigration into first world countries, which is our main source of population growth.
Amen to that.
Amen to that. Lodwick. Why would you Amen that? God said to be fruitful and FILL the earth. There is no reason for the faithful to panic about some imaginary overpopulation crisis. The crisis is in human interaction and how we treat each other.
Just the term and very idea of ''population control'' is an idea rooted from satan himself. God said to be fruitful and multiply and no one has a right to subvert God's creation and supress natural law. Google Webster Tarpley's chapter RUBBERS GOES TO CONGRESS, from his book THE UNAUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY OF GEORGE H W BUSH. tarpley outlines bush senior's long history of advocating population control worldwide. A great read, available free online.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. great post.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
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Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#60. To: Old Friend (#21)
The entire earth population can fit in Texas with about 1400 sq ft per person. It is nowhere close to full or overpopulated. Problems with food etc is because of mans wars and greed. Not overpopulation. Anyone who thinks that we are overpopulated needs to kill themself.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#61. To: Lady X (#22)
Yeah, can I nominate some folks??
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#62. To: who knows what evil (#60)
#63. To: salemguy (#0)
I think we should have global goals for a population reduction of 50% by 2050, via natural deaths, contraception, and abortion.
#64. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#54)
"Be bountiful and multiply" is a relic of times where most kids had a good chance of dying before reaching adulthood and everyone needed as many hands to work the family farm as possible.
#65. To: who knows what evil (#59)
You want population control? Off yourself. Do it now. For the other children.
#66. To: Lady X (#62)
It works! I have tomatoes, peppers, herbs, flowers, even roses..
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#67. To: who knows what evil (#60)
3 TONS of produce on 1/10 of an acre
#68. To: Ferret Mike (#51)
Human life is far from being the most important thing on this planet. All life is sacred and all species have a right to exist for their own value unto themselves.
#69. To: Old Friend (#67)
3 TONS of produce on 1/10 of an acre...
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#70. To: rowdee, mirage, noone222, Old Friend, RickyJ, Lady X, Cynicom, Ferret Mike, Rupert_Pupkin, farmfriend (#27)
We are a species out of control that can't live within it's means and is in danger of killing itself off....
#71. To: salemguy (#70)
Getting human population under control, using all means - education, contraception, abortion, sterilzation and euthansia - is as important, perhaps more so, as curbing our environmental impacts! The two are intricately related.
#72. To: Rotara (#71)
That's what you deserve oh dark and dangerous soul.
#73. To: salemguy (#72)
Uh, thanks again for a constructive comment... what is so dark and dangerous about addressing population control?
#74. To: salemguy, ALL (#72)
what is so dark and dangerous about addressing population control?
#75. To: salemguy, *Agriculture-Environment* (#70)
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And for farmfriend, who said "bad government policy driven by environmentalism" has caused western US water issues, sorry, there really isn't enough water. I grew up in the west and watched the mighty Colorado turn into a saline trickle.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#76. To: farmfriend (#75)
In the 1800s we had 20 trees/acre, now we have 300+ trees/acre.
#77. To: Rotara (#74)
I propose we begin (and end) with every Liberal Socialist de constructionist death cult member in AmeriKa and that we start today
#78. To: salemguy (#77)
#79. To: Rotara, salemguy (#78)
#80. To: rowdee, Rotara (#79)
I just wish you would expend your energies at getting at the issues--not lambasting individuals for their thoughts.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#81. To: rowdee, farmfriend (#79)
#82. To: Rotara, rowdee (#81)
de constructionists are not worthy of debate.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#83. To: farmfriend (#82)
#84. To: all, Rotara, christine, salemguy, farmfriend (#78)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#85. To: ferret mike (#84)
#86. To: ferret mike (#84)
#87. To: salemguy (#70)
I'm a business project manager most recently into organic soil amendments and biofuels
#88. To: salemguy (#70)
there really isn't enough water
#89. To: Old Friend (#88)
#90. To: Lady X (#89)
#91. To: Rotara (#85)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#92. To: ferret mike (#91)
#93. To: Rotara (#92)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#94. To: ferret mike (#93)
#95. To: salemguy (#72)
(Edited)
Uh, thanks again for a constructive comment... what is so dark and dangerous about addressing population control?
#96. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#95)
If you want to see less population growth, go and help build societies around the world where people voluntarily have fewer children because they have a higher standard of living and long life expectancies. And while you're at it, work to do something about unrestricted third world immigration into first world countries, which is our main source of population growth.
#97. To: lodwick, Ferret Mike (#96)
If you want to see less population growth, go and help build societies around the world where people voluntarily have fewer children because they have a higher standard of living and long life expectancies. And while you're at it, work to do something about unrestricted third world immigration into first world countries, which is our main source of population growth.
#98. To: salemguy (#0)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#99. To: Old Friend (#97)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
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