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Title: FOIA docs show feds can lojack mobiles without telco help
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URL Source: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos ... obiles-without-telco-help.html
Published: Nov 16, 2008
Author: Julian Sanchez |
Post Date: 2008-11-18 16:24:12 by PSUSA
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Courts in recent years have been raising the evidentiary bar law enforcement agents must meet in order to obtain historical cell phone records that reveal information about a target's location. But documents obtained by civil liberties groups under a Freedom of Information Act request suggest that "triggerfish" technology can be used to pinpoint cell phones without involving cell phone providers at all. Related Stories * Court: warrant needed to turn cell phone into homing beacon Triggerfish, also known as cell-site simulators or digital analyzers, are nothing new: the technology was used in the 1990s to hunt down renowned hacker Kevin Mitnick. By posing as a cell tower, triggerfish trick nearby cell phones into transmitting their serial numbers, phone numbers, and other data to law enforcement. Most previous descriptions of the technology, however, suggested that because of range limitations, triggerfish were only useful for zeroing in on a phone's precise location once cooperative cell providers had given a general location. This summer, however, the American Civil Liberties Union and Electronic Frontier Foundation sued the Justice Department, seeking documents related to the FBI's cell-phone tracking practices. Since August, they've received a stream of documents—the most recent batch on November 6—that were posted on the Internet last week. In a post on the progressive blog Daily Kos, ACLU spokesperson Rachel Myers drew attention to language in several of those documents implying that triggerfish have broader application than previously believed. As one of the documents intended to provide guidance for DOJ employees explains, triggerfish can be deployed "without the user knowing about it, and without involving the cell phone provider." That may be significant because the legal rulings requiring law enforcement to meet a high "probable cause" standard before acquiring cell location records have, thus far, pertained to requests for information from providers, pursuant to statutes such as the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) and the Stored Communications Act. The Justice Department's electronic surveillance manual explicitly suggests that triggerfish may be used to avoid restrictions in statutes like CALEA that bar the use of pen register or trap-and-trace devices—which allow tracking of incoming and outgoing calls from a phone subject to much less stringent evidentiary standards—to gather location data. "By its very terms," according to the manual, "this prohibition applies only to information collected by a provider and not to information collected directly by law enforcement authorities.Thus, CALEA does not bar the use of pen/trap orders to authorize the use of cell phone tracking devices used to locate targeted cell phones." Perhaps surprisingly, it's only with the passage of the USA PATRIOT Act in 2001 that the government has needed any kind of court order to use triggerfish. While previously, the statutory language governing pen register or trap-and-trace orders did not appear to cover location tracking technology. Under the updated definition, these explicitly include any "device or process which records or decodes dialing, routing, addressing, and signaling information." Poster Comment: Embedded links in article
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#1. To: PSUSA (#0)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Good to see ya here.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Not everyone knows this. It's why I will only use prepaid phones, and then only in emergencies. BTW, dont be depressed, be MAD! These motherfuckers are going down.
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Ha, you expected something different. The Bush/Pelosi/Reid WallStWelfare Boondoggle was a prime example of bipartisanship, eh. And the speed at which it was done steamrolled the few members of both parties against such a quick handout. Though it was inspiring in that Obama showed some mettle and went against it.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Trust me, I know exactly what you're saying. The scammers are saved and we small-fry investors get to lose, and then pay for it all.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
You think. I think it's gonna go the other way, a backlash will develop. the moment the Jackson crowd starts on its rants......people will not wanna hear it at all.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Talk to your tax guy/gal - the penalties may be chump-change compared with losing it all and just hoping that the roller coaster finally goes back up...
I'm with you on this one - and the biggest backlash will come from those who thought that he'd 'buy their gas and pay their mortgages.' There really should be some sort of competency test to go into a voting booth.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
After closing time at the bar, a drunk was proudly showing off his new apartment to a couple of his friends. He led the way to his bedroom where there was a big brass gong and a mallet. 'What's that big brass gong?' one of the guests asked. 'It's not a gong. It's a talking clock,' the drunk replied. 'A talking clock? Seriously?' asked his astonished friend. 'Yup,' replied the drunk. 'How's it work?' the friend asked, squinting at it. 'Watch,' the drunk replied. He picked up the mallet, gave the gong an ear-shattering pound and stepped back. The three stood looking at one another for a moment....... Suddenly, someone on the other side of the wall screamed, 'You asshole! It's three-fifteen in the morning!'
I will tell you that land and real estate are the only plays that have NEVER lost me a penny. But you do have to buy it 'worth the money.'
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Imawit had a pretty good essay on hyperinflation. Not a prediction, just an essay. I thought the predictions would be easier now that we have substituted politics for the mindless greed of Wall St. The bastards even shorted their own securities for 10's of trillions to make sure the collapse would be extreme, and the carry trade unwind caught us goldbugs by surprise. Now that the uncertainty of the peak is over we patiently accumulate resource stocks on the dips (and they are some doozies) then sell when the goobies get the inflation machine cranking. I guess the timing of the trough might not be so predictable either.
Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle
I see it crashing because of its own weight. They are scrambling now, to keep up the illusion of control, and I believe it is way beyond their control. THey can do nothing now to fix the situation. But you could be right. Time will tell.
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How do you do that??
John McCain or Barack Obama??? That's why I'm glad that I sat this one out: the first ever since I was able to vote. It's feeling better and better, with each passing day.
huh? Obama Betrays the Middle Class: Votes for “Bail out the Rich Act” I can't think of any way to sugar coat this, I'm afraid. It's a bad bill and it isn't just that Barack Obama voted for it, it's that everything I'm hearing from the Hill says that he's been actively whipping it, not just in the Senate but in the House. Barack didn't hold his nose and vote for this, he made it his bill as much as it is Paulson's.
No doubt the symbolism is potent, with the fillip of Michelle's mother in the WH. The significance cannot be overstated.
Just kiddin!
alright then. tell ghost. ;)
have a heart. preserve the illusions. Obmamawallahs are gonna have enough cold water of disillusionment and disappointment thrown on them anyway.
You miss the point. That is the intent. The intention is to collapse the economy and society so that it may be taken over entirely, the "excess" population (you and me and most average Americans) eliminated, and then "rebuilt" as a utopia for a very small psychotic clique. It is still not too late to stop them. They are still outnumbered millions to one, but people have to learn to look and break free of the massive ongoing conditioning. The most important first step anyone can take is "TURN OFF THE TV". I am not joking, it is not only a time waster it is the primary vehicle by which the control mechanisms, and disinformation, are implanted. The reality is that the Networks, and yes PBS lib'ruls, are wholly owned information control operations. Their function is to prevent the widespread dissemination of true information and to use electronic psyOps to mesmerize the viewer, implanting post-hypnotic memes below the level of normal awareness, and thus to control the population. It is possible to be informed and aware without television. In fact it is required.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I don't know. History isn't with us. I didnt say it would be a walk in the park. I see them as having already planted the seeds to their destruction. They won't win. But I and probably many of you will most likely die. It will take an act of God to save us, IMHO.
_______________________________________________________ Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
#2. To: ghostdogtxn (#1)
#3. To: lodwick (#2)
#4. To: lodwick (#2)
#5. To: ghostdogtxn (#1)
Good lord, of course they can. If I can track my daughter by her cell phone, (and I can), naturally the feds can track any single one of us. And if they CAN do it, they DO do it. Only a fool would think otherwise.
#6. To: ghostdogtxn (#3)
but the gall of them, taking however many trillions of tax money to bail out the looters
#7. To: PSUSA (#5)
#8. To: ghostdogtxn (#3)
#9. To: swarthyguy (#6)
#10. To: swarthyguy (#6)
#11. To: lodwick (#8)
#12. To: ghostdogtxn (#4)
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the fact that we've pretty much exorcised the irrational demon of racism from our public life
#13. To: swarthyguy (#12)
#14. To: ghostdogtxn (#11)
#15. To: swarthyguy (#12)
I think it's gonna go the other way, a backlash will develop.
#16. To: lodwick (#14)
#17. To: All (#15)
Humor break - the talking clock
#18. To: ghostdogtxn. all (#16)
#19. To: lodwick (#15)
#20. To: ghostdogtxn (#3)
I lurk from time to time, but have been so depressed about all my economic catastrophe predictions coming true that I havent felt like posting
#21. To: ghostdogtxn (#7)
It is going to take WWIII to bring them down, and nothing less.
#22. To: ghostdogtxn (#1)
If I can track my daughter by her cell phone, (and I can),
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#23. To: ghostdogtxn (#19)
Egad. Look at the choices we had!
#24. To: swarthyguy (#6)
Though it was inspiring in that Obama showed some mettle and went against it.
#25. To: ghostdogtxn (#13)
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#26. To: christine (#24)
#27. To: swarthyguy (#26)
#28. To: christine (#27)
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#29. To: ghostdogtxn (#3)
It is as if, in order to stave off a near certain major recession, they are determined to throw all of the seed corn into the fireplace. That may be a mixed metaphor, but I think you get the drift...
#30. To: purpleman (#20)
#31. To: PSUSA (#21)
#32. To: X-15 (#22)
#33. To: Original_Intent (#29)
#34. To: ghostdogtxn (#31)
It took WWII to bring down the Axis, it took the Russian Campaign and Waterloo to bring down Napoleon, it took the death by a thousand cuts of the British Empire to bring that down, it took Vandals and Franks and whomever else to bring down Rome...
#35. To: PSUSA (#34)
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