4um: Supremes to review Barack's citizenship - Case challenging his name on ballot set for 'conference'

A case that challenges President-elect Barack Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship has been scheduled for a "conference" at the U.S. Supreme Court.

Conferences are private meetings of the justices at which they review cases and decide which ones to accept for formal review. This case is set for a conference Dec. 5, just 10 days before the Electoral College is scheduled to meet to make formal the election of Obama as the nation's next president.

The Supreme Court's website listed the date for the case brought by Leo C. Donofrio against Nina Wells, the secretary of state in New Jersey, over not only Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot but those of two others, Sen. John McCain and Roger Calero.

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The case, unsuccessful at the state level, had been submitted to Justice David Souter, who rejected it. The case then was resubmitted to Justice Clarence Thomas. The next line on the court's docket says: "DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 5, 2008."

If four of the nine justices vote to hear the case in full, oral argument may be scheduled.

The action questions whether any of the three candidates is qualified under the U.S. Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural-born citizen."

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According to America's Right blogger Jeff Schreiber, there also was a development in a second case presented to the Supreme Court on the same issue.

His report said the Federal Election Commission now has waived its right to respond to a complaint brought by attorney Philip Berg.

"There are a number of reasons why the respondents here would choose not to respond. First, because the court only grants between 70 and 120 of the 8,000 or so petitions it receives every year, perhaps they just liked their odds of Berg's petition getting denied. Second, because they have made arguments as to Berg's lack of standing several times at the district court level and beyond, perhaps they felt as though any arguments had already been made and were available on the record. Or, perhaps the waiver shows that the FEC and other respondents do not take seriously the allegations put forth by Berg, and did not wish to legitimize the claims with a response," the blogger speculated.

"Another thing which is not completely clear is whether the FEC is filing for itself or on behalf of all respondents," he added.

"If it were just the FEC filing the waiver, I must say that I'm surprised," Berg told America's Right. "I'm surprised because I think they should take the position that the Supreme Court should grant standing to us. I think they have a responsibility not only to Phil Berg, but to all citizens of this country, to put forth a sense of balance which otherwise doesn't seem to exist.

"However, if this was filed by the FEC on behalf of the DNC and Barack Obama too, it reeks of collusion," he said, noting that the attorney from the solicitor general's office should be representing federal respondents and not the DNC or Obama.

But he noted that "questions surrounding this aspect of Obama's candidacy are seemingly beginning to see the light of day."

Just last week, WND reported on worries over a "constitutional crisis" that could be looming over the issue of Obama's citizenship.

Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others filed a court petition in California asking the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office.

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The disputes all cite "natural-born citizen" requirement set by the U.S. Constitution.

WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi even traveled to Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.

The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists as his campaign has stated, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.

The governor's office in Hawaii said there is a valid certificate but rejected requests for access and left ambiguous its origin: Does the certificate on file with the Department of Health indicate a Hawaii birth or was it generated after the Obama family registered a Kenyan birth in Hawaii?

Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro, has named two different Hawaii hospitals where Obama could have been born. There have been other allegations that Obama actually was born in Kenya during a time when his father was a British subject.

The California action was filed by Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation on behalf of Keyes, the presidential candidate of the American Independent Party, along with Wiley S. Drake and Markham Robinson, both California electors.

"Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that (a) usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal," the action challenges.

An Obama spokesman interviewed by WND described such lawsuits as "garbage."

The popular vote Nov. 4 favored Obama over Sen. John McCain by several percentage points. But because of the distribution of the votes, Obama is projected to take the Electoral College vote, when it is held in December, by a 2-to-1 margin.

The California case states, "There is a reasonable and common expectation by the voters that to qualify for the ballot, the individuals running for office must meet minimum qualifications as outlined in the federal and state Constitutions and statutes, and that compliance with those minimum qualifications has been confirmed by the officials overseeing the election process," the complaint said, when in fact the only documentation currently required is a signed statement from the candidate attesting to those qualifications.

"Since [the secretary of state] has, as its core, the mission of certifying and establishing the validity of the election process, this writ seeks a Court Order barring SOS from certifying the California Electors until documentary proof that Senator Obama is a 'natural born' citizen of the United States of America is received by her," the document said.

"This proof could include items such as his original birth certificate, showing the name of the hospital and the name and the signature of the doctor, all of his passports with immigration stamps, and verification from the governments where the candidate has resided, verifying that he did not, and does not, hold citizenship of these countries, and any other documents that certify an individual’s citizenship and/or qualification for office.

The "certificate of live birth" posted by the Obama campaign cannot be viewed as authoritative, the case alleges.

"Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence," the document said. "The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama's original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him."

The case also raises the circumstances of Obama's time during his youth in Indonesia, where he was listed as having Indonesian citizenship. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, raising the possibility of Obama's mother having given up his U.S. citizenship.

Any subsequent U.S. citizenship then, the case claims, would be "naturalized," not "natural-born."

WND has reported other challenges that have been raised in Ohio, Connecticut, Washington, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Hawaii.

With the economy going to hell, what does it matter which elite puppet sits in the White House? The destruction of America is almost complete, arguing over the head stooge's qualifications is a moot point.

I don't agree. It serves to put the puppet masters on notice that they can't just front anyone.

When are they going to knock this propaganda crap off? Anything to try an distract from real issues.

And after researching Corsi's background I wouldn't believe anything he says or writes.

And yes, the state of Hawaii did verify that Obama has a valid original birth certificate. Why do they keep pushing this crap... on second thought I know why. Why do people even look at it any more?

The Hell it is! I want to see some freeking SOBs got to jail if this clown turns out to have lied. And what kind of country allows the POTUS to become president merely by his "attesting" to these things with NO PROOF?? OMG! Hell yes it matters!

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Why do you keep focusing on this when there are important issues? The state of Hawaii has said he has a valid original birth certificate. This is just more neocon propaganda to try and distract from the important issues.

That's not what they said. They said that there was a certificate on file. They did not specify what kind. No constitutional issue is trivial no matter how small.

What issues would you have us focus on? My primary issue is the establishment of a one world government funded by carbon credits.

Actually it is an important issue IMHO, because it disrupts the New Whirled Odor's plans if he is eliminated as ineligible to hold the office.

And it is an important point from a Constitutional point of view - either the Constitutional requirements are upheld or the Constitution is absolutely meaningless.

That he is unwilling to produce a valid Birth Certificate means one of two things:

1. It is a diversionary, or incendiary, issue put in play by Oh'Bummer's handlers.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

A friend has suggested that should he ever get out of control the "proof" will materialize.

Your friend is astute and understands how the game is played. All of these top Politicos have a "handle" i.e., something which, if it became known widely, would destroy them and possibly land them in jail. The Plutocracy will not allow them into these upper offices without a "handle". That is why Paul Wellstone was whacked - no handle and that means no control.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/10/31/20081031obama-birth1031-ON.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-birth-certificate-30-oct30,0,1742172.story

why are American citizens being held for years in prisons without access to courts or attorneys?

why are Americans still being sent to Iraq and Afghanistan to be killed when it was all a hoax and nothing but lies?

why is the federal government training the U.S. military to peform local police functions?

where did the missing 2.3 trillion dollars go in 2001-2002 from the Pentagon budget?

why has commie bush been able to void over 800 pieces of legislation with simple signing statements?

why in 2004 was the Border Patrol advised to allow all other than Mexican illegal immigrants to enter the country and just give them a piece of paper with an immigration court date and assume they will show up for it?

why hasn't anybody raised hell about the administration attacking more than 20 countries claiming they are engaging terrorists - illegal wars/conflict?

why has obama chosen neocons and atheist war monger Ashkenazim for his administration?

why was the EPA allowed to change the law so that pesticides could be used on certain children and others for testing purposes?

why was China allowed to observe our classified military practice functions, allowed to buy and take back to China a company that makes almost all the specialized magnetic compounds for smart bombs etc?

why are vets coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan and being denied proper heath care by the VA?

Of course we can rely on the integrity of the media and politically influenced minions of the state. Right? Neither one ever lies - right?

Given the controversy, and suits, if Oh'Bummer could produce it he would produce it because doing so immediately makes it all go away.

The most interesting datum is his adamant refusal to do so and in fact the legal maneuvering used to get suits dismissed upon technical grounds.

Now that is not proof of anything in and of itself, but the absence of any validating documents is a form of negative proof.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Again, while some such as yourself worry about issues that if true or false would have little impact on the future of our country, the rest of us will concentrate on the those who are working to destroy it and the things they are doing.

I never thought I would see so many Americans be so easily controlled by marginalization, distraction by phenomenon and distraction by nationalism. I can understand how it worked in countries like the USSR, Cuba and such but not in the U.S.

Really? Does just being born in this emerging 3rd world hellhole convey some kind of immunity?

we've had numerous articles and posts discussing all the issues you enumerated especially this one of late 'why has obama chosen neocons and atheist war monger Ashkenazim for his administration?'.

You are an unreliable when it comes to the truth. Obama obviously ins't a citizen. He should be deported. Your citizenship should also be looked into.

My suspicions were obviously correct. If your not a nationalist then get the fuck out. You are the problem not the solution. Only to stupid to know it. I know retards smarter then you with better morals.

Why? One parent was a foreigner, the other DID NOT stay in the US for the specified amount of time as prescribed by law to ensure natural born validity.

And if adopted by an Indonesian national, then to become an American again, he would end up in a naturalized citizen status.

However, most DO NOT care in the least, as the economy and hope crowd, many Americans would consider them nitpicking technicalities.

The kicker is that he could simply show the certificate. All doubt would go away.

The Republican Party doesn't seem to care too much, and IMO, they're probably setting the stage for a Schwarznegger bid.

Good observation. Also the GOP might not have wanted to be tarred and feathered with the Ophile tried and true "racist" epithet for challenging Obama on his "natural born" eligibility.

Reality is ignored, due to biases, mis and pre conceptions and groupthink, and the Imperial Court only considers issues through the prisms of their own concerns.

Not at all. This issue in particular cuts straight to the heart of the legitimacy of the setting government.

Either Oh'Bummer is a natural born citizen as defined in the Constitution or he is not.

If not then any government headed by him is ILLEGITIMATE and is without legal or moral force under our Constitution. That is not a trivial issue. Either we have a legally constituted government or we do not. Again I would submit that if Oh'Bummer is a fraud, which he appears to be, then any government headed by him is not legally constituted and thus a fraud.

As well there is the issue of mote juste'. I would dearly love to see a finger stuck in the eye of the Obama Worshippers simply because of their ignorant smugness and unreasoning, and unfounded, adulation of their "Messiah". If there is any one thing that really annoys me it is ignorant obstreperous stupidity.

It reminds me of a line out of "The Sands of The Kalahari" (and this is not aimed at you but rather the mindset of the O'bots):

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory" Dies ist gut

We understand all these thing all too well. The folks on this forum weren't born yesterday.

Understood also is the fact that certain globalist factions have poured buckets of cash into this man's coffers to see him into office. They want this tool in the White House very badly it seems. He is beholden to them.

Nationialists are the scum of the earth They are the ones that those like Hitler and the others were able to control.

Well, you stick fingers in his eye while the NWO neocons continue to destroy our country. While you whine about this BS propaganda our Constitutional rights, civil liberties, economy and many other things are being destroyed. Americans are dying and killing thousands of others in unnecessary and immoral wars and China all but owns the U.S. and you want to stick a finger in somebody's eye because you have bought into the propaganda, then go ahead. What you are doing is admitting you can't or won't do what it takes to keep our country from being destroyed so you'll whine about little things. Too many Americans have become wimps.

Remember the bush AWOL crap that everybody was in such an uproar about? Wasn't anything of substance but people sure wasted a lot of time talking about it. How about the "no plane hit the pentagon crap"? You do know that the government started that BS and even paid some people to create web sites about it don't you? Think back about how many odd and/or questionable things have been said, posted or whatever which people spent far too much time on only to have them turn out to be propaganda. I would be willing to bet this whole birth certificate garbage was started by the Karl Rove bunch. Distract, distract, distract while they destroy our country.

WAKE THE HELL UP! They are experts at this type of thing and they use it because they know it keeps simple minds occupied while the real damage is done.

Uh huh...and why am I not surprised that you would associate nationalism with Hitler? Be careful, you've dropped your mask of patriotism more than once.

Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, George Washington were all nationalists. You are an enemy to the Republic of the United States and our constitution. I wont go easy on you anymore. You are a target.