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Title: Cross Banning and Cross Burning
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Published: Nov 22, 2008
Author: Gene Dios
Post Date: 2008-11-22 11:38:52 by bluegrass
Ping List: *New History*
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Comments: 58
None of us has heard much about it because it hasn't been reported in any English media, but The German Supreme Court banned the Celtic Cross in Germany almost two weeks ago. As the symbol is all over Germany, and Europe in general, there's mealy-mouthed legalese inserted so that "apparently harmless" use of the cross will be considered when the cops take an interest in you for wearing or displaying the offending symbol, the excuse being that those scary hate groups that can barely pay their beer tabs use it also. What's next? Banning lines and circles in general? Banning language? Wait, the latter is already under consideration in some forms. "But racists use the symbol!" will be the usual whine. I used to care. I think it stopped about the time I realized that the hammer and sickle isn't classed as a hateful symbol by those that claim to be experts on the topic and train the police to be on the lookout for these symbols. The larger point here is that a government is attempting to legislate use of one of the oldest symbols in Europe. Sure, the swastika's illegal, most of the world gets why. But this symbol has been used for thousands of years by many groups for many reasons even to this day, some uses being religious. It's just another step toward the destruction of culture all in the name of combatting "hate". The interest it really serves are those that advocate the two dimensional monoculture of servility and silence in the face of tyranny. In this case, I can see little difference between those that would ban a cross and those that would burn a cross. Both actions are meant to intimidate particular segments of the population. One stems from a government and the other stems from ignorance, though I repeat myself. As an American of both Celtic and German descent, my solution is going to be to start printing small Celtic Cross stickers and put them everywhere while it's still legal to do so in America. I'd rather be thought a racist by the whining few than to think myself a coward on my deathbed. Which side of the crosshairs are you on? If you don't choose, the choice will be made for you. 
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I, for one, don't get the why of it. A symbol is nothing more dangerous than sticks and stones .... they only harm really thin skin. And besides that, hammers and sickles once upon a time only denoted hard working folks. Now just the thought of tools scares people half to death.
Now it typifies the merger and morphing of industrial interests and agribusiness. We know how well that's been working out.
I had to search to find out what a Celtic cross is - the 'krauts are losing their minds over this one.
Yep. Now we're being morphed nicely into thirdworldism. Wanna eat? Got seed?
Can't. Don't have a license. Gotta die now.
Reject, rescind, revoke. (the three r's they won't teach in public scrool)
Do they even teach the other three r's anymore?
The election of Obama to the highest office makes it official, thanks to the Bush family America is now a third-world nation.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
This sun-god image merges ancient religion with European Christianity. It's used by Volkssozialistischen Bewegung Deutschlands-Partei der Arbeit and associated hardheads over there. This all part of a pissing contest between the establishment and the unreconstructed popular right. Banning the Celtic cross won't do more than antagonize these people. They'll find another device to stick in the face of their antagonists. It goes round and round.
Thanks, here's the one I used ...
Those stupid white supremacist types have appropriated the Celtic Cross as their symbol, and will ruin it just as the Nazis ruined the swastika, which means "well-being" and not only was used on American postcards in the early 20th century, but also as a shoulder patch for some American troops. Turtle's secret Indian name is Two Stuck Dogs.
They reduced it to one r. Roll over and play dead.
That may be so, but the unintended consequence is that millions not in the UPR will see it as an affront, if they even hear of it to begin with.
Actually, it goes back a lot longer than either one of the Bush regimes, we just didn't know how bad off we were until recently.
And? They use the Maltese Cross, eagles and various sunwheels too. If they're made illegal, will you be just as down with it?
I never said it should be illegal. People should have more sense than to use symbols like this.
Turtle's secret Indian name is Two Stuck Dogs.
What flavor is your koolaid?
Americans are really good at this.
They had to be carefully taught.
I don't drink koolaid at all. The Celtic Cross has nothing to do with white supremacists, and they have appropriated a symbol that is not theirs, just as the Nazis appropriated one that was not theirs, either. Let them make up their own and stop taking one that belonged to my ancestors.
Turtle's secret Indian name is Two Stuck Dogs.
Oops. My bad. I misunderstood your use of 'people' to mean those of us that love the symbol for what it is.
It all depends on how far back you want to go. I'd say the Civil War is a good starting point.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
As I just said, let them make up their own and stop using something that has nothing to do with them. Symbols are very powerful things. "Symbol" actually mean "wholeness," and is the opposite of "diabolical." These people are too stupid to realize what they are doing.
Turtle's secret Indian name is Two Stuck Dogs.
Well, I'd go back further than that, but the unCivil War is definitely an important benchmark in the total runination of the people of this land!
God, I love swastickas! Thanks for posting the little postcard. It made my day..
Thanks for posting the little postcard. In the Eastern world the swastikas are still very popular and are not associated with the Nazis. The Nazis RUINED that wonderful symbol for the next 200 years.
Turtle's secret Indian name is Two Stuck Dogs.
The elite warr5ior/priest class have been calling the shots for humanity since we crawled out of canes.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
Europe is clinically absurd. America is near if not there.
"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory" Dies ist gut Thanks - yours looks like a better deal to me.
Ain't it the truth. Personally, I think we should all revert to the peace pipe and blow a little smoke up the elite's nether regions for a change.
You're very welcome. If things go as bad as it seems likely, we just can't have too much storable seed on hand. Water may become an issue, but nothing ventured and all that.
I'm an American of 100% Celtic descent. If this were happening in the Anglo-Celtic Isles I'd be livid. Germany? An entirely different story.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot The swastichas I believe orignated in India as a symbol of good luck. In German it translates to Twisted Cross. In Vietnam it appeared as a symbol on grave markers.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
I need to pick up my preparedness pace here.
Not true. Much of the agenda of the UberSchmucks has been first tested in Germany.
The symbol of the swistika is very, very old and found among many cultures and religions. I think it needs to be rehabilitated..
Actually, it goes back a lot longer than either one of the Bush regimes, we just didn't know how bad off we were until recently. The year 2000 A.D. marks the crackup of America. All else is prologue.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot I'm guessing this is 1910's/1920's:
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#2. To: bluegrass (#0)
Sure, the swastika's illegal, most of the world gets why. But this symbol has been used for thousands of years by many groups for many reasons even to this day, some uses being religious
#3. To: RidinShotgun (#2)
hammers and sickles once upon a time only denoted hard working folks
#4. To: bluegrass (#0)
There is a legend of how St. Patrick when preaching to some soon-to-be converted heathens was shown a sacred standing stone that was marked with a circle that was symbolic of the moon goddess. Patrick made the mark of a Latin cross through the circle and blessed the stone making the first Celtic Cross. This legend implies that the Saint was willing to make ideas and practices that were formerly Druid into Christian ideas and practices. This is consistent with the belief that he converted and ordained many Druids to lives as Christian priests.
#5. To: bluegrass (#3)
#6. To: RidinShotgun (#5)
Wanna eat?
#7. To: bluegrass (#6)
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#8. To: RidinShotgun, bluegrass, all (#5)
need seed?
#9. To: RidinShotgun (#7)
#10. To: RidinShotgun (#7)
reload bump
#11. To: RidinShotgun (#5)
#12. To: bluegrass (#0)
#13. To: lodwick (#8)
#14. To: bluegrass (#0)
(Edited)
#15. To: bluegrass (#9)
Do they even teach the other three r's anymore?
#16. To: randge (#12)
This all part of a pissing contest between the establishment and the unreconstructed popular right.
#17. To: Zoroaster (#11)
thanks to the Bush family America is now a third-world nation.
#18. To: Turtle (#14)
Those stupid white supremacist types have appropriated the Celtic Cross as their symbol
#19. To: bluegrass (#18)
#20. To: Turtle (#19)
People should have more sense than to use symbols like this.
#21. To: RidinShotgun (#15)
Roll over and play dead.
#22. To: bluegrass (#21)
Americans are really good at this.
#23. To: bluegrass (#20)
What flavor is your koolaid?
#24. To: Turtle (#19)
(Edited)
#25. To: RidinShotgun (#17)
Actually, it goes back a lot longer than either one of the Bush regimes, we just didn't know how bad off we were until recently.
#26. To: bluegrass (#24)
#27. To: Zoroaster (#25)
#28. To: Turtle (#14)
#29. To: Lady X (#28)
God, I love swastickas!
#30. To: RidinShotgun (#27)
Well, I'd go back further than that, but the unCivil War is definitely an important benchmark in the total runination of the people of this land!
#31. To: bluegrass (#0)
Europa ist klinisch unsinnig. Amerika ist nah wenn nicht dort.
#32. To: RidinShotgun (#13)
#33. To: Zoroaster (#30)
The elite warr5ior/priest class have been calling the shots for humanity since we crawled out of canes.
#34. To: lodwick (#32)
#35. To: bluegrass (#0)
As an American of both Celtic and German descent ....
#36. To: Lady X (#28)
God, I love swastickas!
#37. To: RidinShotgun. all (#34)
If things go as bad as it seems likely, we just can't have too much storable seed on hand. Water may become an issue, but nothing ventured and all that.
#38. To: iconoclast (#35)
Germany? An entirely different story.
#39. To: Zoroaster, Turtle (#36)
#40. To: RidinShotgun, Zoroaster (#17)
thanks to the Bush family America is now a third-world nation.
#41. To: Lady X (#39)
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