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Title: Cross Banning and Cross Burning
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Published: Nov 22, 2008
Author: Gene Dios
Post Date: 2008-11-22 11:38:52 by bluegrass
Ping List: *New History*
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Views: 2268
Comments: 58
None of us has heard much about it because it hasn't been reported in any English media, but The German Supreme Court banned the Celtic Cross in Germany almost two weeks ago. As the symbol is all over Germany, and Europe in general, there's mealy-mouthed legalese inserted so that "apparently harmless" use of the cross will be considered when the cops take an interest in you for wearing or displaying the offending symbol, the excuse being that those scary hate groups that can barely pay their beer tabs use it also. What's next? Banning lines and circles in general? Banning language? Wait, the latter is already under consideration in some forms. "But racists use the symbol!" will be the usual whine. I used to care. I think it stopped about the time I realized that the hammer and sickle isn't classed as a hateful symbol by those that claim to be experts on the topic and train the police to be on the lookout for these symbols. The larger point here is that a government is attempting to legislate use of one of the oldest symbols in Europe. Sure, the swastika's illegal, most of the world gets why. But this symbol has been used for thousands of years by many groups for many reasons even to this day, some uses being religious. It's just another step toward the destruction of culture all in the name of combatting "hate". The interest it really serves are those that advocate the two dimensional monoculture of servility and silence in the face of tyranny. In this case, I can see little difference between those that would ban a cross and those that would burn a cross. Both actions are meant to intimidate particular segments of the population. One stems from a government and the other stems from ignorance, though I repeat myself. As an American of both Celtic and German descent, my solution is going to be to start printing small Celtic Cross stickers and put them everywhere while it's still legal to do so in America. I'd rather be thought a racist by the whining few than to think myself a coward on my deathbed. Which side of the crosshairs are you on? If you don't choose, the choice will be made for you. 
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#19. To: bluegrass (#18)
I never said it should be illegal. People should have more sense than to use symbols like this.
Turtle's secret Indian name is Two Stuck Dogs.
What flavor is your koolaid?
Americans are really good at this.
They had to be carefully taught.
I don't drink koolaid at all. The Celtic Cross has nothing to do with white supremacists, and they have appropriated a symbol that is not theirs, just as the Nazis appropriated one that was not theirs, either. Let them make up their own and stop taking one that belonged to my ancestors.
Turtle's secret Indian name is Two Stuck Dogs.
Oops. My bad. I misunderstood your use of 'people' to mean those of us that love the symbol for what it is.
It all depends on how far back you want to go. I'd say the Civil War is a good starting point.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
As I just said, let them make up their own and stop using something that has nothing to do with them. Symbols are very powerful things. "Symbol" actually mean "wholeness," and is the opposite of "diabolical." These people are too stupid to realize what they are doing.
Turtle's secret Indian name is Two Stuck Dogs.
Well, I'd go back further than that, but the unCivil War is definitely an important benchmark in the total runination of the people of this land!
God, I love swastickas! Thanks for posting the little postcard. It made my day..
Thanks for posting the little postcard. In the Eastern world the swastikas are still very popular and are not associated with the Nazis. The Nazis RUINED that wonderful symbol for the next 200 years.
Turtle's secret Indian name is Two Stuck Dogs.
The elite warr5ior/priest class have been calling the shots for humanity since we crawled out of canes.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
Europe is clinically absurd. America is near if not there.
"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory" Dies ist gut Thanks - yours looks like a better deal to me.
Ain't it the truth. Personally, I think we should all revert to the peace pipe and blow a little smoke up the elite's nether regions for a change.
You're very welcome. If things go as bad as it seems likely, we just can't have too much storable seed on hand. Water may become an issue, but nothing ventured and all that.
I'm an American of 100% Celtic descent. If this were happening in the Anglo-Celtic Isles I'd be livid. Germany? An entirely different story.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot The swastichas I believe orignated in India as a symbol of good luck. In German it translates to Twisted Cross. In Vietnam it appeared as a symbol on grave markers.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
I need to pick up my preparedness pace here.
Not true. Much of the agenda of the UberSchmucks has been first tested in Germany.
The symbol of the swistika is very, very old and found among many cultures and religions. I think it needs to be rehabilitated..
Actually, it goes back a lot longer than either one of the Bush regimes, we just didn't know how bad off we were until recently. The year 2000 A.D. marks the crackup of America. All else is prologue.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot I'm guessing this is 1910's/1920's: That may be so, but the unintended consequence is that millions not in the UPR will see it as an affront, if they even hear of it to begin with. And that may just be the point. This is the Euro-establishment's Al Qa'eda. The harder they stomp on the hard right, the harder the hard right becomes. They tried like hell to choke the shit out of the Vlamms Blok in Flanders denying them the use of the name and banning words in their party program. The party just changes the name - now they're Vlaams Belang - and they are back with more voters than ever before. Geeting near 50% in Flemish areas, I understand. The left and the establishment use them as a boogeyman to frighten European voters. From the establishment viewpoint though, the cure may be worse than the disease.
I see what you're saying and agree to a great extent. So the choice is let the two forces of moronity hijack yet another ancient symbol until it's no longer "allowed" to be used or to attempt to defend it. It's just a symbol, yes. This is different as it's the first outright banning of a cross in our lifetimes.
That's a whole 'nother subject from this one, but of the most important things to have around in case of a crisis, I'd sure as heck prefer to have enough food preps in my "bug out bag" than taking up a lot of space in it with symbols. All symbols do is create a sense of belonging to a group. If people don't already know what group they belong to, a symbol isn't going to help much.
You see what I meam about people taking symbols that don't belong to them and destroying them?
Turtle's secret Indian name is Two Stuck Dogs.
In the end, the only people that "destroy" symbols are those that seek to destroy culture.
They do far more than that. They're a sense of continuity, the very function of culture. It's why the ghost dances were outlawed, for instance. Targeting this symbol is a conscious act. The boneheads that get it tattooed on their face are by and large not very conscious about many of their actions.
So do a troubling number of present day Germans.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot All else is prologue. If we don't know and understand the prologue, how will we be able to avoid making the same mistakes all over again?
Targeting this symbol is a conscious act. The boneheads that get it tattooed on their face are by and large not very conscious about many of their actions. Good point, although ghost dances weren't really symbols anymore than praying is a symbol but yes, they were banned from praying in their own manner, too. I guess you could say totem poles were symbols of continuity, though, and to my knowledge, they weren't torn down or banished. As far as I'm concerned, anybody who tatooes their face with anything has some serious problems to begin with, but that's just me. :)
The 'symbols' I'll be using and looking for are those of the lead-delivery systems type.
Peacemakers. Yeah, now those are symbols that're gaining a lot of traction in all kinds of groups these days. Major crossover in symbology and will probably get a lot of folks caught in the crossfire, too.
"Obama - The Greatest Gun Seller Ever" was the recent front page headline in a CenTex newspaper where dealers said that they couldn't keep weapons or ammo on the shelves after the election. And the prices are going up accordingly.
Clinton had that reputation, too. The more things change .... lol.
I've acquired much more 'stuff' during smirk's regime than I ever did with ole bentmember.
Once hoppy sent me some old swastika post cards via email. They were beautiful and they all had black kittens included..
I've come to the conclusion that if people were ever going to fight back, they've already missed their best chances. Me, I'd rather just travel light. But if and when the shooting does start, I figure there'll probably be plenty of "stuff" just laying around on the ground that won't be of much use to its former owners anymore, if you get my drift. ;)
#20. To: Turtle (#19)
People should have more sense than to use symbols like this.
#21. To: RidinShotgun (#15)
Roll over and play dead.
#22. To: bluegrass (#21)
Americans are really good at this.
#23. To: bluegrass (#20)
What flavor is your koolaid?
#24. To: Turtle (#19)
(Edited)
#25. To: RidinShotgun (#17)
Actually, it goes back a lot longer than either one of the Bush regimes, we just didn't know how bad off we were until recently.
#26. To: bluegrass (#24)
#27. To: Zoroaster (#25)
#28. To: Turtle (#14)
#29. To: Lady X (#28)
God, I love swastickas!
#30. To: RidinShotgun (#27)
Well, I'd go back further than that, but the unCivil War is definitely an important benchmark in the total runination of the people of this land!
#31. To: bluegrass (#0)
Europa ist klinisch unsinnig. Amerika ist nah wenn nicht dort.
#32. To: RidinShotgun (#13)
#33. To: Zoroaster (#30)
The elite warr5ior/priest class have been calling the shots for humanity since we crawled out of canes.
#34. To: lodwick (#32)
#35. To: bluegrass (#0)
As an American of both Celtic and German descent ....
#36. To: Lady X (#28)
God, I love swastickas!
#37. To: RidinShotgun. all (#34)
If things go as bad as it seems likely, we just can't have too much storable seed on hand. Water may become an issue, but nothing ventured and all that.
#38. To: iconoclast (#35)
Germany? An entirely different story.
#39. To: Zoroaster, Turtle (#36)
#40. To: RidinShotgun, Zoroaster (#17)
thanks to the Bush family America is now a third-world nation.
#41. To: Lady X (#39)
#42. To: bluegrass (#16)
This all part of a pissing contest between the establishment and the unreconstructed popular right.
#43. To: randge (#42)
And that may just be the point.
#44. To: lodwick (#37)
I need to pick up my preparedness pace here.
#45. To: bluegrass (#41)
#46. To: Turtle (#45)
#47. To: RidinShotgun (#44)
All symbols do is create a sense of belonging to a group.
#48. To: Lady X (#28)
God, I love swastickas!
#49. To: iconoclast (#40)
The year 2000 A.D. marks the crackup of America.
#50. To: bluegrass (#47)
They do far more than that. They're a sense of continuity, the very function of culture. It's why the ghost dances were outlawed, for instance.
#51. To: RidinShotgun. shooters here (#44)
If people don't already know what group they belong to, a symbol isn't going to help much.
#52. To: lodwick (#51)
lead-delivery systems type.
#53. To: RidinShotgun (#52)
Peacemakers. Yeah, now those are symbols that're gaining a lot of traction in all kinds of groups these days. Major crossover in symbology and will probably get a lot of folks caught in the crossfire, too.
#54. To: lodwick (#53)
"Obama - The Greatest Gun Seller Ever" was the recent front page headline in a CenTex newspaper where dealers said that they couldn't keep weapons or ammo on the shelves after the election.
#55. To: RidinShotgun (#54)
#56. To: bluegrass (#41)
#57. To: lodwick (#55)
I've acquired much more 'stuff' during smirk's regime than I ever did with ole bentmember.
#58. To: RidinShotgun, shooters here (#57)
A friend's decided that his .50cal is not quite enough, so he's going for an Anzio 20MM -
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