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Title: Title: The so-called rebirth of the Republican Party
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Published: Nov 7, 2008
Author: Mekons5
Post Date: 2008-11-22 12:12:54 by iconoclast
Keywords: Republicans, betrayal party, traitorous party, fascist party
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Comments: 124
It is with a certain level of schadenfreude (well, to be honest, an ENORMOUS level of schadenfreude) that I have been reading right-wing blogs and publications since Tuesday night. OK, OK, I've been gloating. The hated GOP is a smoking heap of fascist wreckage, and I couldn't be happier. What I was most interested in, apart from the moans, screams and gnashing of teeth, was what rightward people are thinking about rebuilding the party. For the true wingnuts, it's simple. Palin. Hate. Fear. Racism. Calling everyone to their left (that is, everyone) socialists and homos. In other words, keeping up the same set of theories and tactics that have kept them in power over the past eight years. I certainly hope they win out, because it will guarantee they will never get close to power ever, ever again. There's another group who think Republicans just have to refine their message of small government and lower taxes. These people are brain-dead. This is not 1800. The government is not going to get smaller, and nor should it. They talk about cutting spending so they can provide tax cuts for the wealthy. They never, ever name something they want to cut. You can go through the budget and trim here and there, but it is possible to take a meat ax to only one part of the budget that will produce real savings: the military. That's it. We can save hundreds of billions a year by killing silly, corrupt programs like a missile shield and by cutting our number of troops in half. Let's see them propose that. We need a large government to oversee an increasingly complex global economy. A few years back, the Bushies cut the number of inspectors at USDA and FDA drastically. The result? Record numbers of deaths from poisoned meat, spinach, bean sprouts, and tomatoes, among others. Not to mention poisoned baby food, pet food and other food products and toys coming from China. It's pretty obvious those jobs have to be restored, but of course, the Bushies deliberately threw away trillions so that there would be no funds to undo their evil agenda. As for lowering taxes on the rich, forget it. These people have looted the economy of trillions of dollars, and now they can just pay it back. I'd go way past raising taxes to disgorgement of profits made from investments in the housing bubble, the gamed derivatives market, and so on. They invested a few million in bribing the Bushies to get rid of any oversight whatsoever, then went out robbin' an a stabbin' an a shootin' and a lootin'. Let's just seize their bank accounts and force them to prove what was earned honestly. If conservatives really think the whole problem is just refining a low tax, small government message, they're just deluded. People who have watched their houses disappear, who have lost their jobs, who have lost their pensions and benefits want bigger government and higher taxes to spread the pain around. The country will never listen to that bromide, at least in the foreseeable future. There is a third group. These are the people like Andrew Sullivan who bailed out of the GOP over the last few years. They have no idea how to rebuild the GOP and really don't care. A few have noted that there is no one left in the party who isn't a clueless, corrupt thug and they want the Republican Party to just go away, to be replaced by who knows what. They figure that after a time in the wilderness, what is left of the party will turn to them to develop an intellectual, principled and honest conservative movement. Yeah, sure. Good luck with that, guys. Remember who your voters are: ignorant, hateful, racist, thuggish morons. I'm sure that reading them The Wealth of Nations will get them to rally round you better than calling Democrats commies and nigger-lovers. Remember how stupid the GOP has been. They started an optional war just for the fun of it, and became the first nation in recorded history to cut taxes during wartime and THEY ALL THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. It was the most predictable disaster in human history, comparable to all those bozos you read about in News of the Weird who stick roman candles up their butts, light them, and then wonder why they blew their asses off. And the Republicans had the nerve to chant, "Use your brain, vote McCain." It is to laugh. I know that eventually the Stupid Party will be back. They'll find someone even more evil than Karl Rove to develop a package of lies and smears that will appeal to the moron class. But they have permanently alienated the following: Blacks, Latinos, the young, the educated, gays, urban livers, upscale suburbs and independents. What do they have left? Old white people in small towns. Can they come back? Possibly. Will it be in my lifetime? Absolutely no chance. I sort of like a two-party system. However, it will not work if one party is simply interested in power, has no ideas, cares only about the wealthy while lying to the poor that they have a chance to become wealthy (assuming they can go back in time and get born to different parents), and will go as low as necessary to gain and hold on to power.
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#1. To: iconoclast (#0)
So, half the two-party system is dead? Good. One down, one to go.
Communists are movingly, rotten, thieves. In all brevity. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sie kontrollieren beide Flügel die Globalist Partei. They control both wings the global ware party.
"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory" Dies ist gut The Republican Party would like to usher in a New Age of Feudalism. The Marxism of the Democrat Party seems more likely to catch on, especially among mud people.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
hahahaha...oh yeah, these are the dem voters all right..."the educated, the urban livers"...sheesh...and GOP voters are urban stomachs?...educated Dems my foot - the appropriate descriptor should have been urban "dwellers", moron... Let's cut to the chase. This essay was written by the stereotypical smug sanctimonious progressive who thinks his poop doesn't smell because he votes for the superior minded political party - tahdah - the D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C P-A-R-T-Y, when in fact the only reason he votes for the Dems is because that party promises him enhanced levels of entitlements due to higher taxes of the "the rich" and this satisfies his social-economic class envy.
Authored by Mekons5, and read by Mekons6, Mekons7 and Mekons8
mekons
Is there any language that you speak or write natively? Just curious.
germericanlish Ha Ha Ha
"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory" Dies ist gut I didn't think so.
¿Habla usted español?
"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory" Dies ist gut
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"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory" Dies ist gut Indeed, this sums up me-cons to a "t". Frankly, I was surprised that he was able to limit his urge to use foul language in this essay as was his habit when posting messages here. I wonder how the Messiah's decision to send his kids to Sidwell Friends private school instead of da' common peepul's public school system sits with Mekons...oops I forgot...Mekons sends his kid to a private school on a scholarship that is gratis from the "rich" full-pay parents there, many of whom might actually be GOPer voters...oh, the horror!...a scholarship tainted by urban GOPer stomachs...
i wouldn't count on that. in 8 yrs, if the country still exists, and after the rubes have had it with the democrats, the republicans will be installed again. i wouldn't be surprised if it's another bush. let's see now. that gives the democrats and clintons 16 years to groom chelsea.
Mekons wrote this? I knew he was a leftie, but I assumed he was a little deeper than this. Such a waste of effort. Rassis', thugish, hateful morons, blah, blah.. On and on. It's like something a grade school student would write. I'm surprised he didn't say something bad about their mothers. He's right about one thing, though.. The message is the problem. All "conservative" candidates try to do nowadays is claim the mantle of Reagan. Reagan this and Reagan that.. Reagan, Reagan, Reagan.. It's all you hear. They see this as a formula of some kind. Mekons says it's not "The 1800's" which is pure hyperbole. No one is pitching that. He's close to the REAL PROBLEM, however - It's not 1980, either. Ron Reagan's message and his historic win was from a different era (Namely: The Cold War Era) and, frankly, allot of his "legacy" now lies in tatters. Tell me, who will vote for more militancy? Who still thinks privatization is a silver bullet? Who wants to provoke another arms race and who thinks big finance can be trusted to regulate itself? Who believes covert, extra-legal operations by our intelligence services should be encouraged or defended? Who thinks deficits don't matter? Who wants to pay for a gigantic military or still thinks we need one to remain free? Still believe in Trickle Down? Who wants to be a Service Economy? Come on! Surely SOMEONE wants to be a service economy! Let's see a show of hands! The rest of his little tirade is leftie delusion. There's plenty of things Americans want government to stay out of. Republicans will NEVER be able to sell big government better than the democrats. Trying will only lead to a string of defeats. He's right about the tax thing too.. The R's have led off with an economic message that's largely irrelevant to most people. Who gives a shit if the millionaires and billionaires that run congress get taxed for that privilege? I mean, really.. Rush Limbaugh has a war to pay for. Who cares if Dick Cheney pays a higher rate? The cart cannot come before the horse, either. That's another oversight about discussions like these. - Before the Republican party can be "reborn" it must decide if the message is going to be one of Freedom or Security. The two are in constant conflict and switching the emphasis from Freedom TO Security during the Bush years is the single most significant factor in recasting both the Party and Conservatism into what it has become today.. Words synonymous with endless militancy & interventionism, secrecy and fiscal irresponsibility. IMO this is a losing message which may win by default, but never on its own merits. If the focus is to remain on security at the expense of freedom, then there's nothing to "rebirth" End of discussion. All you are doing at that point is fine tuning and marketing the same old thing. Just putting fresh lipstick on the proverbial, perennial, Republican Pig.
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
More closely resembles an abortion.
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
PS: I am further amazed that Mekons is capable of typing the word "nigger" He must have spent a month in therapy after that one.. It's also amazing how someone can be presented with the same facts and draw such a wildly different opinion from them. All I see here is a rambling, delusional rant.. I'd be galactically amazed to learn that even the author believes every word of it, as written.
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
He's setting himself up for a terrible disappointment.
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
Ping. I like your analysis of mekons' essay. But I think it's more than even what you describe as being flaws in the GOPer platform that dooms its rebirth. I think the change in the electorate - masses of Third World immigrants - will require that the GOP move steadily leftward and be a pale reflection of the Dem Party. There is no hope for a Ron Paul paleocon mindset returning to the GOP ever. A paleocon message just wouldn't "sell" to the electorate America has today.
But you're pretty much preaching to the choir here. Take it over to freedom4um and laugh/cry at the replies. If you're not of a mind to, give me permission and let me stir 'em up! hey, demicon, because we're not democrats doesn't mean we're republicans. we're not republicans. you'll not find anyone attempting to defend the republicans. your attempt to stir us up has failed.
That's a strong possibility.. Then eventually, there will be bankruptcy and a reckoning. Perhaps a chance to educate along the way.
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
and here's the kicker (in the ass) scrapper ... YOUNG voters.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Ah, good ole trickle down worship!
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot And now Hoover chimes in.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Young voters who are inculcated in socialist dogma at our universities and haven't paid a dime in taxes? Kids who think in term of color over content? And you push this voting block out front of you as if it's something to be proud of? Your children and grand children deserve the multicultural quilt Obama will weave for them, but mine don't. Too bad you'll be long gone before you can apologize to them for supporting such garbage.
Let's cut to the chase. This essay was written by the sterotypical smug sanctimonious progressive who thinks his poop doesn't smell because he votes for the superior minded political party - tahdah - the R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N P-A- R-T-Y, when in fact the only reason he votes for the Pubs besides their being crooks and overwhelmingly gay is because that party promises him enhanced levels of entitlements (tax cuts for the wealthy) due to higher taxes of the " middle class" and this satisfies his social-economic class uppityness. Now that the elections are over, you are now showing all of us that you are a pubbiebot and bush supporter still. You have been indoctrinated and bought into the two wings of our one party. Mcnutz was your man and now you are crying in your beer. With the robbing of trillions of dollars and robbing the treasury of trillions to fight 2 illegal wars, the 700 billion bailout (robbery), the pubbie party leaves the next president to have to raise taxes and that is why they put up mcpuke so obanger would get elected. He won't be able to straighten out the mess and will actually be blamed for making things worse. Then the republipukes will try to make a comeback so they can continue robbing and destroting this country and traitors like yourself will gladly enable them. Aren't you so proud you are a pubbiebot? Don't you love what the pubbies and bush have done to our country over the last 7 plus years? One more question. Are you gay to boot?
The Pubbbies now more closely resemble Bonzo ... and it's bedtime for them.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot More closely resembles an abortion. Hee hee ........ Here's part of my reply to Mekon over there. This is the only circumstance I've encountered in which I support abortion.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot That is my fear. The Plutocrat party long since rejected principle for power. No moreso than when they got a good taste of it.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Edit: I was addressing the wrong post here.
how many times does scrapper have to post that she is a paleoconservative who shuns the neocon-neolib ISRAEL FIRSTERS of both parties and is/was a Ron Paul supporter before you'll stop accusing her of being a pubbiebot?
I was thinking more along the lines of Mussolini..
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
One more question. Are you gay to boot? I am a paleoconservative. That's why Dr. Ron Paul appeals to me and that's why I supported his campaign with $ and that's why he got my vote on Nov. 4th. You are so disconnected from reality that you have made up a fantasy of who you think I am. What more proof that you don't bother to read and comprehend my posts than the last question you pose to me. What an old foolish goat you are.
CyniChrissy!
That's why any hope for a new, true conservative will fail too? "Our" party's not dead, just a little fever. We'll WIN next time regardless of merit! That's what politics has become isn't it. A huge disgusting Super (ballot) Bowl (every four years instead of annually) with nothing more thought based than our guys beating theirs with dirt and cheap shots be damned?
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot PS: The democrat party should be careful making assumptions like this. Remember how they lost Congress? Obama wishes to tilt at windmills such as energy policy for purely ideological purposes. He has admitted that his policies will cause energy prices to "skyrocket" and wishes to destroy major, traditional energy providers, such as the coal industry. He wants to do this during a recession.. The democrats can hang much (But not all) of the last 8 years on Dubya, but they won't be able to convince anyone that needlessly sending a spike through every pocketbook in the country is a good idea. Then there's his OTHER policies.. Like a gigantic military and moar expensive war. Don't take anything for granted.. He'll be in the drivers seat come January, surely.. But, given enough rope, you may not recognize the political landscape by 2012..
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
iconoclast: That is my fear. The Plutocrat party long since rejected principle for power. No moreso than when they got a good taste of it. Say what? You associate Plutocracy with only the GOP? Where do you think the expression "Limousine Liberal" comes from? As a matter of fact, Obama and his party of da' peepul drew most its support from 2 extreme ends of society - the entitlement prone under class and the well heeled upper class, who have their $ stashed away in taxfree loop holes. The more the GOP moves leftward, the more leftward the Dems move as well. Get it? So all voters are left to vote for is being taxed more today as opposed to having their children taxed more tomorrow. Both parties are militarist, that's a given. Both parties are beholden to their respective, often cross-over, lobby groups, another given. The GOP in the past has been a tiny bit stronger on the 1st and 2nd amendments but as the party has become more RINO-ized, even those differences have diminished. Both parties have become more similar than dis-similar except for their taxation policies.
I went over to my grandson's high school the other evening to "dialog" with a coupl'a "educators". Until private schools outnumber gubmint schools you've got a wish in one hand and shit in the other and I hate to tell you which one is fillin' up faster.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Ah ... there's the rub.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot No, no.. Educate voters. The population. The state of our schools is another (very depressing) matter entirely.
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
WHOA! Where am I? I haven't been so stunned since I got hit directly in the nuts on a high school football field! ;-)
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
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#2. To: iconoclast (#0)
Kommunisten sind rührend, faul, Diebe. In aller Kürze.
#3. To: iconoclast (#0)
(Edited)
#4. To: iconoclast (#0)
But they have permanently alienated the following: Blacks, Latinos, the young, the educated, gays, urban livers, upscale suburbs and independents. What do they have left? Old white people in small towns.
#5. To: iconoclast (#0)
#6. To: scrapper2 (#4)
This essay was written by the stereotypical smug sanctimonious progressive who thinks his poop doesn't smell because he votes for the superior minded political party - tahdah - the D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C P-A-R-T-Y, when in fact the only reason he votes for the Dems is because that party promises him enhanced levels of entitlements due to higher taxes of the "the rich" and this satisfies his social-economic class envy.
#7. To: Beendigen Sie die Kommunisten (#2)
#8. To: randge (#7)
#9. To: Beendigen Sie die Kommunisten (#8)
#10. To: randge (#9)
#11. To: Beendigen Sie die Kommunisten (#2)
Sie kontrollieren beide Flügel die Globalist Partei.
#12. To: TwentyTwelve (#11)
#13. To: christine (#6)
This essay was written by the stereotypical smug sanctimonious progressive who thinks his poop doesn't smell because he votes for the superior minded political party - tahdah - the D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C P-A-R-T-Y, when in fact the only reason he votes for the Dems is because that party promises him enhanced levels of entitlements due to higher taxes of the "the rich" and this satisfies his social-economic class envy.
#14. To: iconoclast (#0)
I certainly hope they win out, because it will guarantee they will never get close to power ever, ever again.
#15. To: iconoclast (#0)
(Edited)
#16. To: iconoclast (#0)
The so-called rebirth of the Republican Party
#17. To: iconoclast (#0)
#18. To: scrapper2 (#4)
This essay was written by the stereotypical smug sanctimonious progressive who thinks his poop doesn't smell because he votes for the superior minded political party - tahdah - the D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C P-A-R-T-Y..
#19. To: Jhoffa_ (#15)
#20. To: iconoclast (#0)
Great post.
#21. To: scrapper2 (#19)
But I think it's more than even what you describe as being flaws in the GOPer platform that dooms its rebirth. I think the change in the electorate - masses of Third World immigrants - will require that the GOP move steadily leftward and be a pale reflection of the Dem Party.
#22. To: scrapper2 (#4)
these are the dem voters all right..."the educated, the urban livers"...sheesh...and GOP voters are urban stomachs?...educated Dems my foot - the appropriate descriptor should have been urban "dwellers", moron...
#23. To: scrapper2 (#13)
a scholarship tainted by urban GOPer stomachs
#24. To: christine (#14)
(Edited)
i wouldn't count on that. in 8 yrs
#25. To: iconoclast (#22)
YOUNG voters
#26. To: scrapper2 (#4)
paid for by the higher taxesLet's cut to the chase. This essay was written by the stereotypical smug sanctimonious progressive who thinks his poop doesn't smell because he votes for the superior minded political party - tahdah - the D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C P-A-R-T-Y, when in fact the only reason he votes for the Dems is because that party promises him enhanced levels of entitlements due to higher taxes of the "the rich" and this satisfies his social-economic class envy.
#27. To: Jhoffa_ (#15)
He's right about one thing, though.. The message is the problem. All "conservative" candidates try to do nowadays is claim the mantle of Reagan. Reagan this and Reagan that.. Reagan, Reagan, Reagan.. It's all you hear. They see this as a formula of some kind.
#28. To: noone222 (#16)
The so-called rebirth of the Republican Party
#29. To: scrapper2 (#19)
the GOP (will) move steadily leftward and be a pale reflection of the Dem Party
#30. To: LACUMO (#26)
(Edited)
#31. To: LACUMO, scrapper2 (#26)
#32. To: iconoclast (#27)
The Pubbbies now more closely resemble Bonzo ...
#33. To: LACUMO (#26)
#34. To: christine (#14)
i wouldn't count on that. in 8 yrs, if the country still exists, and after the rubes have had it with the democrats, the republicans will be installed again. i wouldn't be surprised if it's another bush. let's see now. that gives the democrats and clintons 16 years to groom chelsea.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#35. To: christine (#20)
your attempt to stir us up has failed.
#36. To: iconoclast (#27)
(Edited)
...it's bedtime for them.
#37. To: iconoclast (#29)
(Edited)
scrapper: the GOP (will) move steadily leftward and be a pale reflection of the Dem Party
#38. To: Jhoffa_ (#21)
Perhaps a chance to educate along the way.
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#25)
Kids who think
#40. To: iconoclast (#38)
#41. To: LACUMO (#26)
Don't you love what the pubbies and bush have done to our country over the last 7 plus years?
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