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Title: Title: The so-called rebirth of the Republican Party
Source: the-peoples-forum
URL Source: [None]
Published: Nov 7, 2008
Author: Mekons5
Post Date: 2008-11-22 12:12:54 by iconoclast
Keywords: Republicans, betrayal party, traitorous party, fascist party
Views: 1524
Comments: 124

It is with a certain level of schadenfreude (well, to be honest, an ENORMOUS level of schadenfreude) that I have been reading right-wing blogs and publications since Tuesday night. OK, OK, I've been gloating. The hated GOP is a smoking heap of fascist wreckage, and I couldn't be happier.

What I was most interested in, apart from the moans, screams and gnashing of teeth, was what rightward people are thinking about rebuilding the party. For the true wingnuts, it's simple. Palin. Hate. Fear. Racism. Calling everyone to their left (that is, everyone) socialists and homos. In other words, keeping up the same set of theories and tactics that have kept them in power over the past eight years. I certainly hope they win out, because it will guarantee they will never get close to power ever, ever again.

There's another group who think Republicans just have to refine their message of small government and lower taxes. These people are brain-dead. This is not 1800. The government is not going to get smaller, and nor should it. They talk about cutting spending so they can provide tax cuts for the wealthy. They never, ever name something they want to cut. You can go through the budget and trim here and there, but it is possible to take a meat ax to only one part of the budget that will produce real savings: the military. That's it. We can save hundreds of billions a year by killing silly, corrupt programs like a missile shield and by cutting our number of troops in half. Let's see them propose that.

We need a large government to oversee an increasingly complex global economy. A few years back, the Bushies cut the number of inspectors at USDA and FDA drastically. The result? Record numbers of deaths from poisoned meat, spinach, bean sprouts, and tomatoes, among others. Not to mention poisoned baby food, pet food and other food products and toys coming from China. It's pretty obvious those jobs have to be restored, but of course, the Bushies deliberately threw away trillions so that there would be no funds to undo their evil agenda.

As for lowering taxes on the rich, forget it. These people have looted the economy of trillions of dollars, and now they can just pay it back. I'd go way past raising taxes to disgorgement of profits made from investments in the housing bubble, the gamed derivatives market, and so on. They invested a few million in bribing the Bushies to get rid of any oversight whatsoever, then went out robbin' an a stabbin' an a shootin' and a lootin'. Let's just seize their bank accounts and force them to prove what was earned honestly.

If conservatives really think the whole problem is just refining a low tax, small government message, they're just deluded. People who have watched their houses disappear, who have lost their jobs, who have lost their pensions and benefits want bigger government and higher taxes to spread the pain around. The country will never listen to that bromide, at least in the foreseeable future.

There is a third group. These are the people like Andrew Sullivan who bailed out of the GOP over the last few years. They have no idea how to rebuild the GOP and really don't care. A few have noted that there is no one left in the party who isn't a clueless, corrupt thug and they want the Republican Party to just go away, to be replaced by who knows what. They figure that after a time in the wilderness, what is left of the party will turn to them to develop an intellectual, principled and honest conservative movement. Yeah, sure. Good luck with that, guys. Remember who your voters are: ignorant, hateful, racist, thuggish morons. I'm sure that reading them The Wealth of Nations will get them to rally round you better than calling Democrats commies and nigger-lovers.

Remember how stupid the GOP has been. They started an optional war just for the fun of it, and became the first nation in recorded history to cut taxes during wartime and THEY ALL THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. It was the most predictable disaster in human history, comparable to all those bozos you read about in News of the Weird who stick roman candles up their butts, light them, and then wonder why they blew their asses off.

And the Republicans had the nerve to chant, "Use your brain, vote McCain." It is to laugh.

I know that eventually the Stupid Party will be back. They'll find someone even more evil than Karl Rove to develop a package of lies and smears that will appeal to the moron class. But they have permanently alienated the following: Blacks, Latinos, the young, the educated, gays, urban livers, upscale suburbs and independents. What do they have left? Old white people in small towns.

Can they come back? Possibly. Will it be in my lifetime? Absolutely no chance.

I sort of like a two-party system. However, it will not work if one party is simply interested in power, has no ideas, cares only about the wealthy while lying to the poor that they have a chance to become wealthy (assuming they can go back in time and get born to different parents), and will go as low as necessary to gain and hold on to power.

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#15. To: iconoclast (#0) (Edited)

Mekons wrote this?

I knew he was a leftie, but I assumed he was a little deeper than this. Such a waste of effort.

Rassis', thugish, hateful morons, blah, blah.. On and on. It's like something a grade school student would write. I'm surprised he didn't say something bad about their mothers.

He's right about one thing, though.. The message is the problem. All "conservative" candidates try to do nowadays is claim the mantle of Reagan. Reagan this and Reagan that.. Reagan, Reagan, Reagan.. It's all you hear. They see this as a formula of some kind.

Mekons says it's not "The 1800's" which is pure hyperbole. No one is pitching that. He's close to the REAL PROBLEM, however - It's not 1980, either.

Ron Reagan's message and his historic win was from a different era (Namely: The Cold War Era) and, frankly, allot of his "legacy" now lies in tatters. Tell me, who will vote for more militancy? Who still thinks privatization is a silver bullet? Who wants to provoke another arms race and who thinks big finance can be trusted to regulate itself? Who believes covert, extra-legal operations by our intelligence services should be encouraged or defended? Who thinks deficits don't matter? Who wants to pay for a gigantic military or still thinks we need one to remain free? Still believe in Trickle Down? Who wants to be a Service Economy? Come on! Surely SOMEONE wants to be a service economy! Let's see a show of hands!

The rest of his little tirade is leftie delusion. There's plenty of things Americans want government to stay out of. Republicans will NEVER be able to sell big government better than the democrats. Trying will only lead to a string of defeats.

He's right about the tax thing too.. The R's have led off with an economic message that's largely irrelevant to most people. Who gives a shit if the millionaires and billionaires that run congress get taxed for that privilege? I mean, really.. Rush Limbaugh has a war to pay for. Who cares if Dick Cheney pays a higher rate?

The cart cannot come before the horse, either. That's another oversight about discussions like these. - Before the Republican party can be "reborn" it must decide if the message is going to be one of Freedom or Security. The two are in constant conflict and switching the emphasis from Freedom TO Security during the Bush years is the single most significant factor in recasting both the Party and Conservatism into what it has become today.. Words synonymous with endless militancy & interventionism, secrecy and fiscal irresponsibility.

IMO this is a losing message which may win by default, but never on its own merits.

If the focus is to remain on security at the expense of freedom, then there's nothing to "rebirth" End of discussion. All you are doing at that point is fine tuning and marketing the same old thing. Just putting fresh lipstick on the proverbial, perennial, Republican Pig.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2008-11-22   13:02:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jhoffa_ (#15)

Ping. I like your analysis of mekons' essay.

But I think it's more than even what you describe as being flaws in the GOPer platform that dooms its rebirth. I think the change in the electorate - masses of Third World immigrants - will require that the GOP move steadily leftward and be a pale reflection of the Dem Party. There is no hope for a Ron Paul paleocon mindset returning to the GOP ever. A paleocon message just wouldn't "sell" to the electorate America has today.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-22   13:22:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: scrapper2 (#19)

the GOP (will) move steadily leftward and be a pale reflection of the Dem Party

That is my fear.

The Plutocrat party long since rejected principle for power. No moreso than when they got a good taste of it.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-11-22   13:59:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: iconoclast (#29) (Edited)

scrapper: the GOP (will) move steadily leftward and be a pale reflection of the Dem Party

iconoclast: That is my fear.

The Plutocrat party long since rejected principle for power. No moreso than when they got a good taste of it.

Say what? You associate Plutocracy with only the GOP? Where do you think the expression "Limousine Liberal" comes from? As a matter of fact, Obama and his party of da' peepul drew most its support from 2 extreme ends of society - the entitlement prone under class and the well heeled upper class, who have their $ stashed away in taxfree loop holes. The more the GOP moves leftward, the more leftward the Dems move as well. Get it? So all voters are left to vote for is being taxed more today as opposed to having their children taxed more tomorrow. Both parties are militarist, that's a given. Both parties are beholden to their respective, often cross-over, lobby groups, another given. The GOP in the past has been a tiny bit stronger on the 1st and 2nd amendments but as the party has become more RINO-ized, even those differences have diminished. Both parties have become more similar than dis-similar except for their taxation policies.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-22   14:22:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: scrapper2 (#37)

Limousine Liberal

The biggest limousine you've ever imagined has been more that buried under $7,000,000,000. The final(?) debacle of the Bush administration. God will it.

Wake up and smell the soup kitchen.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-11-22   14:55:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: iconoclast (#45)

The biggest limousine you've ever imagined has been more that buried under $7,000,000,000. The final(?) debacle of the Bush administration. God will it.

Wake up and smell the soup kitchen.

Some never will! They bought into the lesser of two evils syndrome now and forevermore.

Many claim to be beyond the two parties but through their writings, they show their true selves.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-11-22   15:09:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: LACUMO (#47)

Many claim to be beyond the two parties but through their writings, they show their true selves.

You bitter fool. You haven't gotten over the fact that Ron Paul shit in the punch bowl. Move on, your hero is a g'damn Republican.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-22   15:42:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Jethro Tull (#57)

Many claim to be beyond the two parties but through their writings, they show their true selves.

Guess this fits you pretty well jethro.

Your criticism of Ron Paul shows your lack of commitment to getting our country back on track. Geeze, you hate the pubbies, hate Obanger, and hate Ron Paul. This worries me. Since you don't have a favorite party and you are engrossed in politics up to your eyeballs, I'm afraid you might lose it and do yourself bodily harm.

You're all over the place in your thinking!

LACUMO  posted on  2008-11-22   17:09:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: LACUMO (#74)

JT doesn't hate Ron Paul. he does hate republican politicians and the republican party (as do i), ergo, he has a problem with Ron Paul's declaration, "i'm a republican and i'll always be a republican." since you share our disdain for the republican party, do you find RP's devotion to it troublesome?

christine  posted on  2008-11-22   18:01:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: christine (#80)

he has a problem with Ron Paul's declaration, "i'm a republican and i'll always be a republican." since you share our disdain for the republican party, do you find RP's devotion to it troublesome?

I do not find Ron Paul's staying in the pubbie party troublesome whatsoever. If he would have refused to run for re-election as a pubbie, he wouldn't still be a congressman. That would be a blow to those of us who hold the two parties in disgust because Ron Paul continues to be a true and real patriot speaking out about the problems facing our country because so many of us have been hoodwinked and abused by the two parties responsible for our demise.

I never voted for a pubbie or a demonwit because they were running on one of those two parties banners. I vote for the man, or woman that best supports our Constitution and has a track record that proves it. Show me another congressman or woman who can hold a candle to Ron Paul when it comes to integrity and devotion to governing by following our Constitution? I doubt if you can and if anyone comes close to Ron's principled past when voting for or against legislation.

I might draw the line if he was registered communist or fascist party. I don't pretend to be smarter than anyone else on here. I do know that neither one of thetwo main parties do not have the average citizens best interests at heart. I do believe Ron Paul did and still does.

Ron Paul is smart enough to know that the only way he can communicate his ideals, and they are very patriotic, is by having a venue to at least be able to express them and sometimes get them out into the mainstream media. To have not run for re-election to his congressional seat would have ended his chance to continue to address our country's problems as an insider. Apparently that would have been ok with you and Jethro and many others. He had to continue to the conclusion of the election.

To be honest with you and many others, Ron Paul, I believe was our very very very last chance to turn this country back to a God fearing Constitutional Republic. When he passes and no longer is a congressman, there will not be another like him in my lifetime and many of your lifetimes as well. The closest person to governing like Ron Paul was congressman Jim Trafficant and look what they have done to him.

We are the ones who let Ron Paul down. I never said he was the smartest, the richest, the most handsome, nor the best campaigner. His election was doomed from the start, not because of his message, not because of the lack of money, not because of being marginalized by the media, but in spite of it because we the people (sheeple) let him down. In fact, we've been letting the best politicans down for at least the past 40 years or more.

Instead of criticising Ron Paul we should be looking in a mirror at those that are to blame and that is each and everyone of us that has lost our backbone and allowed ourselves to be hoodwinked and dumbed down. I didn't do enough myself and accept my share of the blame.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-11-22   19:27:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: LACUMO, christine (#84)

We are the ones who let Ron Paul down. I never said he was the smartest, the richest, the most handsome, nor the best campaigner. His election was doomed from the start, not because of his message, not because of the lack of money, not because of being marginalized by the media, but in spite of it because we the people (sheeple) let him down. In fact, we've been letting the best politicans down for at least the past 40 years or more.

Instead of criticising Ron Paul we should be looking in a mirror at those that are to blame and that is each and everyone of us that has lost our backbone and allowed ourselves to be hoodwinked and dumbed down. I didn't do enough myself and accept my share of the blame.

The vote was rigged. That is not our fault. Only our fault if we allow it to continue. As long as people put party over principle things will never change.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-11-22   19:32:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: farmfriend, christine, jethro tull (#86)

The vote was rigged. That is not our fault. Only our fault if we allow it to continue. As long as people put party over principle things will never change.

Well it was rigged in Florida in 2000, not that gore would have been any better, and we did nothing. Then it was rigged in Ohio in 2004. That certainly was our fault because we allowed it to happen again after the 2000 election. Now it has happened again, but the two wings of our one party got a little smarter. Instead of rigging the votes, they put up candidates they could live with and we lost just the same.

Nobody spoke up forcefully when Ron Paul and others were marginalized by the MSM. We should have tore up the television networks for the part they played in manipulating the debates and news coverage of the entire campaign. The joos in control are still in control.

..and all you self proclaimed Ron Paul supporters who abandoned him before and after the election, we wouldn't have heard one frigging word outta your mouths if Ron Paul would have won the pubbie nomination. And that is a fact you can't deny!

As I said, we let him down!!!!

LACUMO  posted on  2008-11-22   20:45:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: LACUMO (#87) (Edited)

have heard one frigging word outta your mouths if Ron Paul would have won the pubbie nomination.

suuuure. that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but i will tell you that it's erroneous. we'll just have to agree to disagree on who let who down. my husband and i have supported Ron Paul and his Liberty Caucus since 2000. we attended several of his fundraisers and donated hundreds of dollars over the years. during his presidential campaign, we attended more fundraising events, passed out hundreds of bumperstickers, cards, and flyers, and donated more than $2000 to his campaign via the money bombs. AND 4um was an active and enthusiastic board for Ron Paul!

don't tell me i let Ron Paul down. he let us down when he declined to address the vote fraud in the NH primary. not only did he not pursue investigation of it, but he actually said that it didn't happen. imo, his illumination of the vote fraud (and i believe his leadership would have galvanized massive support) was the most important thing Ron Paul could have done for us. afterall, without legitimate elections, we have nothing.

christine  posted on  2008-11-22   22:16:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: christine (#94)

don't tell me i let Ron Paul down. he let us down when he declined to address the vote fraud in the NH primary.

I know you were at different functions attended by Ron Paul. Why did you not speak up at one of them and tell him the prudent thing would have been to speak up about the media abuse and bias. Oh, I guess you wouldn't be allowed to speak to him!

Maybe the whole Ron Paul campaign was hijacked from the beginning because a lot of folks acted like he was the nominee before any votes were cast. Maybe the money bombs, the limo, the USA Today add, and the blimp were diversions planted by the news media and the pubbie party thru someone who infiltrated his campaign. Hell, I can remember many on this very forum ready to crucify him because he didn't name a runningmate.

Surely someone who supported him had enough experience to point out the pitfalls in the way his campaign was being run and to tell him to speak out about the media snubbing. The real truth is now coming out and one can see how shallow the support for Ron Paul really was.

As they say, hindsight is always 20/20. I'd like to add that figures don't lie, but liars figure. Nobody complained one word, including you, christine, when he was running as a republican. Now he is regarded as an old piece of over-the-hill lousy inept pubbie politican. Shameful to say the least.

We definitely don't deserve him and we got what we deserve in obanger just as we got what we deserved with commrade bush.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-11-22   22:36:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: LACUMO (#98) (Edited)

Hell, I can remember many on this very forum ready to crucify him because he didn't name a runningmate.

That was me.

Somehow I do not think you have ever thought this thing through.

Paul like McKooK is and OLD man. McKooK FINALLY named a running partner and without naming a younger female, Obama would have had a landslide.

In politics 2 plus 2 is not always 4.

You need to broaden your thinking as presently it is too narrow with blinders.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-23   5:56:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Cynicom (#103)

You need to broaden your thinking as presently it is too narrow with blinders.

Thank iou doctor! I didn't know that you were so intelligent and have a PhD in mindless jibberish and that you are qualified to render mindless observations. Do I owe you a doctor's fee for this dribble?

LACUMO  posted on  2008-11-23   8:50:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: LACUMO, All (#104)

Lacumo...

When indulging in any civil discussion or debate, the first evidence of a person having an intellectually empty quiver, is when they turn to a childish attack mode.

There is no fee for this observation. Everyone with interest has read it and most will reach the same conclusion. While following this thread without comment, I must say, that to a casual observer your posts are a bit confusing.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-23   9:14:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Cynicom, All (#105) (Edited)

While following this thread without comment, I must say, that to a casual observer your posts are a bit confusing.

Well let me unconfuse you and set you straight. By the way, you aren't gay are you? That would make it harder to set you straight.

Let us look back and we see that Ron Paul started his campaign on a shoe string in more ways than monetarily. He did not have the party behind him. He did not have big money behind him. He did not have a proven campaign manager behind him. When you don't have these things behind your campaign, you are an outsider, a maverick, as sarah what's her face said she and mcnutz were. When you are an outsider or maverick, you are hard to control and become someone to be afraid of. The PTB were afraid of Ron Paul.

The PTB had to destroy Ron Paul and dash the hopes of those of us who claimed to be supporters. Some of us really were staunch supporters and some just jumped on the bandwagon for a short ride. As soon as the first fart in the wind came along, many jumped off the wagon or were blown off.

None of us knows what really happened up or down in Paul's campaign. Some think he or his family were threatened just because of his candidacy. That could very well have happened. We know that Perot was threatened and the story about wrecking his daughter's wedding was just a cover. Somebody said he was probably shown the Kennedy assanation photos. That sounds more plausible.

But don't let me get side tracked here. Ron Paul is only human and humans make mistakes. Some of you claim you don't but you sure are quick to point out others mistakes. Ron Paul came right out after the PTB from the get-go. He lambasted everything from the economy, the illegal wars, the illegal immigration, the income tax, and the federal reserve. He bacame the number one thorn in the sides of the PTB. He had to be stopped and he was.

Not only did the PTB margimalize him thru the jooish media, but they planted the seeds of doubt in many Paul supporters, some of those seeds were even here on Freedom4um. Then there were those who thought the waltz to the nomination would be a cake walk. The phoney, blimp shit the phoney limo shit were a sign of arrogance. You never win the game until the game is played.

Finally, I can assure you that my support for Ron Paul was based on his record as a congressman and his stature as a true patriot and statesman. He was without a doubt, the best candidate running. He has some flaws and weaknesses as do all of us, but he definitely was heads and shoulders above all the other candidates.

It matters not what party he ran under, along side or with. His character is what made him the person who he was and will always be.Those of you who cannot get over him running as a republican or even staying in the republican party, I feel sorry for. It has been said that one should stay close to his friends, but keep his enemies closer, and I beleive Ron Paul is doing just that by staying in the republican party. At least in this election, he certainly wouldn't have been re-elected if he ran a a third party candidate. Not one single candidate running as a third party candidate got elected to national office.

Ron Paul knew the fight it would be when he pledged to run. He gave it his best shot and left the rest up to us. Apparently it just wasn't to be. It saddens me deeply how many are now willing to smear Ron Paul when just a few short months ago, we were hailing him as the best thing to come along since chopped liver and cream cheese.

If any of you patriots think Ron Paul let you down, just try and find another candidate down the road that you willingly will support all the way to the whitehouse. And if you do, that candidate just might be the anti-christ.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-11-23   10:37:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: LACUMO (#106)

Lac...

I prefer brief and to the point, no diatribes or ranting. I wont read it.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-23   10:40:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Cynicom (#107)

I prefer brief and to the point, no diatribes or ranting. I wont read it.

Then don't read it and show your ignorance. Shows us all just who you really are. I guess I over shot your intelligence as I usually do.

No need to respond to this. I wouldn't want to tax your mind.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-11-23   10:46:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: LACUMO (#108)

No need to respond to this. I wouldn't want to tax your mind.

Lac...

Like I said, I prefer short and to the point posts rather than diatribes.

Ignorance???? Been accused of that many times, called stupid often, mostly by people that do not function well in open society.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-23   10:52:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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