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Title: Title: The so-called rebirth of the Republican Party
Source: the-peoples-forum
URL Source: [None]
Published: Nov 7, 2008
Author: Mekons5
Post Date: 2008-11-22 12:12:54 by iconoclast
Keywords: Republicans, betrayal party, traitorous party, fascist party
Views: 1481
Comments: 124

It is with a certain level of schadenfreude (well, to be honest, an ENORMOUS level of schadenfreude) that I have been reading right-wing blogs and publications since Tuesday night. OK, OK, I've been gloating. The hated GOP is a smoking heap of fascist wreckage, and I couldn't be happier.

What I was most interested in, apart from the moans, screams and gnashing of teeth, was what rightward people are thinking about rebuilding the party. For the true wingnuts, it's simple. Palin. Hate. Fear. Racism. Calling everyone to their left (that is, everyone) socialists and homos. In other words, keeping up the same set of theories and tactics that have kept them in power over the past eight years. I certainly hope they win out, because it will guarantee they will never get close to power ever, ever again.

There's another group who think Republicans just have to refine their message of small government and lower taxes. These people are brain-dead. This is not 1800. The government is not going to get smaller, and nor should it. They talk about cutting spending so they can provide tax cuts for the wealthy. They never, ever name something they want to cut. You can go through the budget and trim here and there, but it is possible to take a meat ax to only one part of the budget that will produce real savings: the military. That's it. We can save hundreds of billions a year by killing silly, corrupt programs like a missile shield and by cutting our number of troops in half. Let's see them propose that.

We need a large government to oversee an increasingly complex global economy. A few years back, the Bushies cut the number of inspectors at USDA and FDA drastically. The result? Record numbers of deaths from poisoned meat, spinach, bean sprouts, and tomatoes, among others. Not to mention poisoned baby food, pet food and other food products and toys coming from China. It's pretty obvious those jobs have to be restored, but of course, the Bushies deliberately threw away trillions so that there would be no funds to undo their evil agenda.

As for lowering taxes on the rich, forget it. These people have looted the economy of trillions of dollars, and now they can just pay it back. I'd go way past raising taxes to disgorgement of profits made from investments in the housing bubble, the gamed derivatives market, and so on. They invested a few million in bribing the Bushies to get rid of any oversight whatsoever, then went out robbin' an a stabbin' an a shootin' and a lootin'. Let's just seize their bank accounts and force them to prove what was earned honestly.

If conservatives really think the whole problem is just refining a low tax, small government message, they're just deluded. People who have watched their houses disappear, who have lost their jobs, who have lost their pensions and benefits want bigger government and higher taxes to spread the pain around. The country will never listen to that bromide, at least in the foreseeable future.

There is a third group. These are the people like Andrew Sullivan who bailed out of the GOP over the last few years. They have no idea how to rebuild the GOP and really don't care. A few have noted that there is no one left in the party who isn't a clueless, corrupt thug and they want the Republican Party to just go away, to be replaced by who knows what. They figure that after a time in the wilderness, what is left of the party will turn to them to develop an intellectual, principled and honest conservative movement. Yeah, sure. Good luck with that, guys. Remember who your voters are: ignorant, hateful, racist, thuggish morons. I'm sure that reading them The Wealth of Nations will get them to rally round you better than calling Democrats commies and nigger-lovers.

Remember how stupid the GOP has been. They started an optional war just for the fun of it, and became the first nation in recorded history to cut taxes during wartime and THEY ALL THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. It was the most predictable disaster in human history, comparable to all those bozos you read about in News of the Weird who stick roman candles up their butts, light them, and then wonder why they blew their asses off.

And the Republicans had the nerve to chant, "Use your brain, vote McCain." It is to laugh.

I know that eventually the Stupid Party will be back. They'll find someone even more evil than Karl Rove to develop a package of lies and smears that will appeal to the moron class. But they have permanently alienated the following: Blacks, Latinos, the young, the educated, gays, urban livers, upscale suburbs and independents. What do they have left? Old white people in small towns.

Can they come back? Possibly. Will it be in my lifetime? Absolutely no chance.

I sort of like a two-party system. However, it will not work if one party is simply interested in power, has no ideas, cares only about the wealthy while lying to the poor that they have a chance to become wealthy (assuming they can go back in time and get born to different parents), and will go as low as necessary to gain and hold on to power.

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#15. To: iconoclast (#0) (Edited)

Mekons wrote this?

I knew he was a leftie, but I assumed he was a little deeper than this. Such a waste of effort.

Rassis', thugish, hateful morons, blah, blah.. On and on. It's like something a grade school student would write. I'm surprised he didn't say something bad about their mothers.

He's right about one thing, though.. The message is the problem. All "conservative" candidates try to do nowadays is claim the mantle of Reagan. Reagan this and Reagan that.. Reagan, Reagan, Reagan.. It's all you hear. They see this as a formula of some kind.

Mekons says it's not "The 1800's" which is pure hyperbole. No one is pitching that. He's close to the REAL PROBLEM, however - It's not 1980, either.

Ron Reagan's message and his historic win was from a different era (Namely: The Cold War Era) and, frankly, allot of his "legacy" now lies in tatters. Tell me, who will vote for more militancy? Who still thinks privatization is a silver bullet? Who wants to provoke another arms race and who thinks big finance can be trusted to regulate itself? Who believes covert, extra-legal operations by our intelligence services should be encouraged or defended? Who thinks deficits don't matter? Who wants to pay for a gigantic military or still thinks we need one to remain free? Still believe in Trickle Down? Who wants to be a Service Economy? Come on! Surely SOMEONE wants to be a service economy! Let's see a show of hands!

The rest of his little tirade is leftie delusion. There's plenty of things Americans want government to stay out of. Republicans will NEVER be able to sell big government better than the democrats. Trying will only lead to a string of defeats.

He's right about the tax thing too.. The R's have led off with an economic message that's largely irrelevant to most people. Who gives a shit if the millionaires and billionaires that run congress get taxed for that privilege? I mean, really.. Rush Limbaugh has a war to pay for. Who cares if Dick Cheney pays a higher rate?

The cart cannot come before the horse, either. That's another oversight about discussions like these. - Before the Republican party can be "reborn" it must decide if the message is going to be one of Freedom or Security. The two are in constant conflict and switching the emphasis from Freedom TO Security during the Bush years is the single most significant factor in recasting both the Party and Conservatism into what it has become today.. Words synonymous with endless militancy & interventionism, secrecy and fiscal irresponsibility.

IMO this is a losing message which may win by default, but never on its own merits.

If the focus is to remain on security at the expense of freedom, then there's nothing to "rebirth" End of discussion. All you are doing at that point is fine tuning and marketing the same old thing. Just putting fresh lipstick on the proverbial, perennial, Republican Pig.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2008-11-22   13:02:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jhoffa_ (#15)

Ping. I like your analysis of mekons' essay.

But I think it's more than even what you describe as being flaws in the GOPer platform that dooms its rebirth. I think the change in the electorate - masses of Third World immigrants - will require that the GOP move steadily leftward and be a pale reflection of the Dem Party. There is no hope for a Ron Paul paleocon mindset returning to the GOP ever. A paleocon message just wouldn't "sell" to the electorate America has today.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-22   13:22:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: scrapper2 (#19)

the GOP (will) move steadily leftward and be a pale reflection of the Dem Party

That is my fear.

The Plutocrat party long since rejected principle for power. No moreso than when they got a good taste of it.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-11-22   13:59:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: iconoclast (#29) (Edited)

scrapper: the GOP (will) move steadily leftward and be a pale reflection of the Dem Party

iconoclast: That is my fear.

The Plutocrat party long since rejected principle for power. No moreso than when they got a good taste of it.

Say what? You associate Plutocracy with only the GOP? Where do you think the expression "Limousine Liberal" comes from? As a matter of fact, Obama and his party of da' peepul drew most its support from 2 extreme ends of society - the entitlement prone under class and the well heeled upper class, who have their $ stashed away in taxfree loop holes. The more the GOP moves leftward, the more leftward the Dems move as well. Get it? So all voters are left to vote for is being taxed more today as opposed to having their children taxed more tomorrow. Both parties are militarist, that's a given. Both parties are beholden to their respective, often cross-over, lobby groups, another given. The GOP in the past has been a tiny bit stronger on the 1st and 2nd amendments but as the party has become more RINO-ized, even those differences have diminished. Both parties have become more similar than dis-similar except for their taxation policies.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-22   14:22:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: scrapper2 (#37)

Both parties have become more similar than dis-similar except for their taxation policies.

You diehards persist in missing the point.

If you get screwed by the Democrats, then by all means scream rape.

But if "YOUR PARTY" screws you you persist in reacting like a nancy-boy in a jail cell of your own obtuseness ... grabbing your ankles once more and telling yourself, "surely this won't happen again".

iconoclast  posted on  2008-11-22   15:08:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: iconoclast (#46)

You diehards persist in missing the point.

Speak for yourself when you refer to "diehards." That you don't see that the elitist Plutarchs run BOTH the GOP AND the Dems demonstrates how blind you are.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-22   15:33:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: scrapper2, All (#53)

Speak for yourself when you refer to "diehards." That you don't see that the elitist Plutarchs run BOTH the GOP AND the Dems demonstrates how blind you are.

To some degree.

I find it revealing that both parties ante'd up $7,000,000,000 to the striped pants boys with hardly a whimper but the Dims now are going through a charade of bloodying up the obtuse auto execs to show their toughness.

Wonder which group sends the most gravy to D.C.?

PS But how about dropping the old "ones as bad as the other" nonsense. If I hadn't just found out you were a lady, I'd probably tell you where to store it.

Is America better off today than it was eight years ago? That's the way it used to work until the Lamebaugh "hate your neighbor" phonylosophy took root. It's the only thing that prevented a landslide this year.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-11-22   15:59:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: iconoclast (#58) (Edited)

I find it revealing that both parties ante'd up $7,000,000,000 to the striped pants boys with hardly a whimper but the Dims now are going through a charade of bloodying up the obtuse auto execs to show their toughness.

You slipped two digits. It's not $7,000,000,000 (seven billion), it's $700,000,000,000 (seven HUNDRED billion).

As far as the GOP goes, just do a search for the keywords republican sex criminals, and then read the dozens of articles that come up. As far as I'm concerned the only remaining natural constituencies for the GOP are billionaires and people who are sexually attracted to underaged little boys. That's it. Believe in smaller government? Nope, that's not the GOP. Believe in "fiscal responsibility". Umm... no. Believe in limiting government powers? Fat chance. Believe in traditional American rights? Dream on. Believe in "America First" and doing things to promote American industry? Sorry, that gets in the way of "profits uber alles", which is the rallying cry of the free traitors, er, "traders". Believe in securing our borders and then deporting the tens of millions of illegals who have immivaded us? But, but, that gets in the way of profits! Believe in a fair day's pay for a fair day's work? What, are you HIGH? What about maximizing PROFITS? What are you, a COMMIE? But if you're into having sex with little boys, or if you are a billionaire, hey, the GOP is your party of choice. If you're a billionaire who also happens to be into having sex with little boys then the GOP is right up your alley... literally and figuratively.

It will be a very cold day in Hell before I personally cast a single vote for anyone on the Republican ticket ever again for as long as I live. Federal, state, local offices, it don't matter to me. If they're GOP then they're self-propelled sewage as far as I'm concerned. To my mind they are quite literally evil incarnate. At least there's third parties, even though the system is utterly rigged against them and they have literally no chance whatsoever to win. So we get to have corrupt jackhole Democrats in power instead. Yay. *sigh* - Well, at least when they get caught in sex scandals it's usually with adult members of the opposite sex, which is more than anyone can hope for from GOP politicians.

Why is it that the more loudly one proclaims one's religion and the more vigorously one pounds one's bible on the pulpit, the more likely it is that one turns out to be an utterly deranged sex criminal? My working theory is that religion eventually drives people insane.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-11-22   16:20:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Elliott Jackalope (#63)

It will be a very cold day in Hell before I personally cast a single vote for anyone on the Republican ticket ever again for as long as I live.

And that would leave you to vote for leftist scum (my how you hate that word) or some obscure 3rd party candidate who hasn't a chance. You trudging off to the polls to change America = a very, very large waste of time, effort and gas.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-22   16:27:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Jethro Tull (#64)

So I take it you support the GOP? I'm curious, how can anyone support that party at this point? Oh, and just calling the Democrats "leftist scum" is a pretty empty statement, considering the recent history of such "Democratic" leaders as Bill Clinton, who for all intents and purposes was a Republican in Democrat's clothing. Let me guess, you're of the opinion that "leftists" are just generically bad, period? Anyone to the left of Mussolini is inherently wrong? Is that it? So I guess we should get rid of child labor laws, public education and the 40-hour workweek, right? After all, those were all things that got promoted by those "leftist scum" you so deeply hate.

But you know what? All of this is moot anyways. America is gutted, all that's left is an empty carcass that hasn't stopped twitching and flopping yet. Our industrial base is gone. We don't have any tooling left. We quite literally do not have the technology to be able to put together an assembly line to produce a television that anyone in their right mind would want to purchase. Everything for sale here that's worth buying is either made in China or Japan. It's over. We're all yelling and screaming and shouting and fighting on the decks of a burning ship that's sinking fast. America is toast. It's done. It's dead. Deal with it. The "free traders" did their work, and now we are utterly destroyed. We'll all be living in shantytowns and tent cities within the next three years, mark my words. And if you think the battles between people are vicious now, wait until they're killing each other over a can of beans or a pair of socks. It won't be heated words on a computer screen, it will be tire irons embedded in skulls. We are doomed.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-11-22   16:38:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Elliott Jackalope (#66)

So I take it you support the GOP?

Unlike you, I don't participate in the voting scam, so no I'm not an R, nor a D. Cram that up your butt. And yes, there is a political left. The Ds are steeped in it as are the Rs. What is it? HUGE, FUCKING GOVERNMENT. So, unless you tossed your vote to some obscure 3rd party candidate you VOTED FOR THE POLITICAL LEFT. Congratulations, you political illiterate goofball.

PS: I got the idea for the CAPS from your RANTS!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-22   16:48:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Jethro Tull (#68)

I don't participate in the voting scam

How's that workin for yuh?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-12-05   10:03:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: iconoclast, Jethro Tull (#118)

I don't participate in the voting scam

How's that workin for yuh?

I don't participate in any "federal" scams ... and it's working fine.

noone222  posted on  2008-12-05   10:10:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: noone222 (#120)

Some sheep seem to have lost their "shame" gene. I'd be in hiding if I openly supported socialism and Black liberation theology.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-05   10:26:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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