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Title: Title: The so-called rebirth of the Republican Party
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Published: Nov 7, 2008
Author: Mekons5
Post Date: 2008-11-22 12:12:54 by iconoclast
Keywords: Republicans, betrayal party, traitorous party, fascist party
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It is with a certain level of schadenfreude (well, to be honest, an ENORMOUS level of schadenfreude) that I have been reading right-wing blogs and publications since Tuesday night. OK, OK, I've been gloating. The hated GOP is a smoking heap of fascist wreckage, and I couldn't be happier. What I was most interested in, apart from the moans, screams and gnashing of teeth, was what rightward people are thinking about rebuilding the party. For the true wingnuts, it's simple. Palin. Hate. Fear. Racism. Calling everyone to their left (that is, everyone) socialists and homos. In other words, keeping up the same set of theories and tactics that have kept them in power over the past eight years. I certainly hope they win out, because it will guarantee they will never get close to power ever, ever again. There's another group who think Republicans just have to refine their message of small government and lower taxes. These people are brain-dead. This is not 1800. The government is not going to get smaller, and nor should it. They talk about cutting spending so they can provide tax cuts for the wealthy. They never, ever name something they want to cut. You can go through the budget and trim here and there, but it is possible to take a meat ax to only one part of the budget that will produce real savings: the military. That's it. We can save hundreds of billions a year by killing silly, corrupt programs like a missile shield and by cutting our number of troops in half. Let's see them propose that. We need a large government to oversee an increasingly complex global economy. A few years back, the Bushies cut the number of inspectors at USDA and FDA drastically. The result? Record numbers of deaths from poisoned meat, spinach, bean sprouts, and tomatoes, among others. Not to mention poisoned baby food, pet food and other food products and toys coming from China. It's pretty obvious those jobs have to be restored, but of course, the Bushies deliberately threw away trillions so that there would be no funds to undo their evil agenda. As for lowering taxes on the rich, forget it. These people have looted the economy of trillions of dollars, and now they can just pay it back. I'd go way past raising taxes to disgorgement of profits made from investments in the housing bubble, the gamed derivatives market, and so on. They invested a few million in bribing the Bushies to get rid of any oversight whatsoever, then went out robbin' an a stabbin' an a shootin' and a lootin'. Let's just seize their bank accounts and force them to prove what was earned honestly. If conservatives really think the whole problem is just refining a low tax, small government message, they're just deluded. People who have watched their houses disappear, who have lost their jobs, who have lost their pensions and benefits want bigger government and higher taxes to spread the pain around. The country will never listen to that bromide, at least in the foreseeable future. There is a third group. These are the people like Andrew Sullivan who bailed out of the GOP over the last few years. They have no idea how to rebuild the GOP and really don't care. A few have noted that there is no one left in the party who isn't a clueless, corrupt thug and they want the Republican Party to just go away, to be replaced by who knows what. They figure that after a time in the wilderness, what is left of the party will turn to them to develop an intellectual, principled and honest conservative movement. Yeah, sure. Good luck with that, guys. Remember who your voters are: ignorant, hateful, racist, thuggish morons. I'm sure that reading them The Wealth of Nations will get them to rally round you better than calling Democrats commies and nigger-lovers. Remember how stupid the GOP has been. They started an optional war just for the fun of it, and became the first nation in recorded history to cut taxes during wartime and THEY ALL THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. It was the most predictable disaster in human history, comparable to all those bozos you read about in News of the Weird who stick roman candles up their butts, light them, and then wonder why they blew their asses off. And the Republicans had the nerve to chant, "Use your brain, vote McCain." It is to laugh. I know that eventually the Stupid Party will be back. They'll find someone even more evil than Karl Rove to develop a package of lies and smears that will appeal to the moron class. But they have permanently alienated the following: Blacks, Latinos, the young, the educated, gays, urban livers, upscale suburbs and independents. What do they have left? Old white people in small towns. Can they come back? Possibly. Will it be in my lifetime? Absolutely no chance. I sort of like a two-party system. However, it will not work if one party is simply interested in power, has no ideas, cares only about the wealthy while lying to the poor that they have a chance to become wealthy (assuming they can go back in time and get born to different parents), and will go as low as necessary to gain and hold on to power.
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#32. To: iconoclast (#27)
I was thinking more along the lines of Mussolini..
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
One more question. Are you gay to boot? I am a paleoconservative. That's why Dr. Ron Paul appeals to me and that's why I supported his campaign with $ and that's why he got my vote on Nov. 4th. You are so disconnected from reality that you have made up a fantasy of who you think I am. What more proof that you don't bother to read and comprehend my posts than the last question you pose to me. What an old foolish goat you are.
CyniChrissy!
That's why any hope for a new, true conservative will fail too? "Our" party's not dead, just a little fever. We'll WIN next time regardless of merit! That's what politics has become isn't it. A huge disgusting Super (ballot) Bowl (every four years instead of annually) with nothing more thought based than our guys beating theirs with dirt and cheap shots be damned?
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot PS: The democrat party should be careful making assumptions like this. Remember how they lost Congress? Obama wishes to tilt at windmills such as energy policy for purely ideological purposes. He has admitted that his policies will cause energy prices to "skyrocket" and wishes to destroy major, traditional energy providers, such as the coal industry. He wants to do this during a recession.. The democrats can hang much (But not all) of the last 8 years on Dubya, but they won't be able to convince anyone that needlessly sending a spike through every pocketbook in the country is a good idea. Then there's his OTHER policies.. Like a gigantic military and moar expensive war. Don't take anything for granted.. He'll be in the drivers seat come January, surely.. But, given enough rope, you may not recognize the political landscape by 2012..
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
iconoclast: That is my fear. The Plutocrat party long since rejected principle for power. No moreso than when they got a good taste of it. Say what? You associate Plutocracy with only the GOP? Where do you think the expression "Limousine Liberal" comes from? As a matter of fact, Obama and his party of da' peepul drew most its support from 2 extreme ends of society - the entitlement prone under class and the well heeled upper class, who have their $ stashed away in taxfree loop holes. The more the GOP moves leftward, the more leftward the Dems move as well. Get it? So all voters are left to vote for is being taxed more today as opposed to having their children taxed more tomorrow. Both parties are militarist, that's a given. Both parties are beholden to their respective, often cross-over, lobby groups, another given. The GOP in the past has been a tiny bit stronger on the 1st and 2nd amendments but as the party has become more RINO-ized, even those differences have diminished. Both parties have become more similar than dis-similar except for their taxation policies.
I went over to my grandson's high school the other evening to "dialog" with a coupl'a "educators". Until private schools outnumber gubmint schools you've got a wish in one hand and shit in the other and I hate to tell you which one is fillin' up faster.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Ah ... there's the rub.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot No, no.. Educate voters. The population. The state of our schools is another (very depressing) matter entirely.
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
WHOA! Where am I? I haven't been so stunned since I got hit directly in the nuts on a high school football field! ;-)
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot how is it, at this juncture, that anyone can not see this truth?
If the last eight years have taught us anything, surely it must be this: 1) Anything can happen. 2) A President will be measured AFTER his administration, not as he was BEFORE it began.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot She fools me. Her postings almost always blame the demonwits for all that is wrong with our country and government when anyone with a brain knows both the demonwits and the pubbiecrats are almost entirely the same. Reading many of her posts leading up to the last election and since has left very little doubt that she still favors the pubbies over the demonwits. Some of your own posts are also confusing. I guess I'm more than a little perplexed. So many on here want the rest of us to believe they are sophisticated and know that the two parties are pretty much the same and then show us through their written words that they still support the lesser of two evils. I can tell you straight off that when it comes to evil, nothing the demonwit party has done is anywhere more evil than the pubbie party and their members.
The biggest limousine you've ever imagined has been more that buried under $7,000,000,000. The final(?) debacle of the Bush administration. God will it. Wake up and smell the soup kitchen.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot You diehards persist in missing the point. If you get screwed by the Democrats, then by all means scream rape. But if "YOUR PARTY" screws you you persist in reacting like a nancy-boy in a jail cell of your own obtuseness ... grabbing your ankles once more and telling yourself, "surely this won't happen again".
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Wake up and smell the soup kitchen. Some never will! They bought into the lesser of two evils syndrome now and forevermore. Many claim to be beyond the two parties but through their writings, they show their true selves.
Chew on this little meatball for a while, christine. The Democrats are internationalists. The Republicans are interventionists. The Democrats learned their lesson from the Vietnam war. The Republicans long ago co-opted the "War Party" mantle from them.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Which might be a distinction with a difference if they served different masters.
That's pro forma here, her name is legion. Nobody here is a Republican. But, if it walks like a duck, and it talks like a duck.....
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot What a small world of navel gazing, panty pissers you must hang with if my name is "legion." Sheesh.
Which might be a distinction with a difference if they served different masters. It is a very real distinction. Damn, that dastardly "man behind the curtain" peeks out again and all sensibility goes poof again.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Speak for yourself when you refer to "diehards." That you don't see that the elitist Plutarchs run BOTH the GOP AND the Dems demonstrates how blind you are.
Bang on! But I wouldn't have been quite so harsh on my fellow 4um'ers.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Is that why Clinton bombed an innocent Serbia for 78 days from 30,000 feet?
But I wouldn't have been quite so harsh on my fellow 4um'ers. Oh really? 4um is your posting home? Righhhhttttt... The only time you post at 4um is when you come here once every 2 weeks to snoop or to deliver cheap shots on threads before slinking back to your regular milieu comprised of fellow entitlement cheerleading Ophiles.
You bitter fool. You haven't gotten over the fact that Ron Paul shit in the punch bowl. Move on, your hero is a g'damn Republican.
To some degree. I find it revealing that both parties ante'd up $7,000,000,000 to the striped pants boys with hardly a whimper but the Dims now are going through a charade of bloodying up the obtuse auto execs to show their toughness. Wonder which group sends the most gravy to D.C.? PS But how about dropping the old "ones as bad as the other" nonsense. If I hadn't just found out you were a lady, I'd probably tell you where to store it. Is America better off today than it was eight years ago? That's the way it used to work until the Lamebaugh "hate your neighbor" phonylosophy took root. It's the only thing that prevented a landslide this year.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Actually, I have only one home (sadly, not eight) and I'm sitting in it now. Other facts: I post all over the net. I don't post every day, much less every five minutes of every day. I have a life. When in a self-congratulatory state of mind I smugly regard myself as the Johnny Appleseed of common sense. ;-)
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Ron Paul's candidacy must have positively terrified you (Mekons5).
DEATH TO THE GOP!
Which reminds me, I gotta get off my dead ass. It's been fun.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot OK, one more. Actually I was one of those star-y-eyed RP contributors.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot You slipped two digits. It's not $7,000,000,000 (seven billion), it's $700,000,000,000 (seven HUNDRED billion). As far as the GOP goes, just do a search for the keywords republican sex criminals, and then read the dozens of articles that come up. As far as I'm concerned the only remaining natural constituencies for the GOP are billionaires and people who are sexually attracted to underaged little boys. That's it. Believe in smaller government? Nope, that's not the GOP. Believe in "fiscal responsibility". Umm... no. Believe in limiting government powers? Fat chance. Believe in traditional American rights? Dream on. Believe in "America First" and doing things to promote American industry? Sorry, that gets in the way of "profits uber alles", which is the rallying cry of the free traitors, er, "traders". Believe in securing our borders and then deporting the tens of millions of illegals who have immivaded us? But, but, that gets in the way of profits! Believe in a fair day's pay for a fair day's work? What, are you HIGH? What about maximizing PROFITS? What are you, a COMMIE? But if you're into having sex with little boys, or if you are a billionaire, hey, the GOP is your party of choice. If you're a billionaire who also happens to be into having sex with little boys then the GOP is right up your alley... literally and figuratively. It will be a very cold day in Hell before I personally cast a single vote for anyone on the Republican ticket ever again for as long as I live. Federal, state, local offices, it don't matter to me. If they're GOP then they're self-propelled sewage as far as I'm concerned. To my mind they are quite literally evil incarnate. At least there's third parties, even though the system is utterly rigged against them and they have literally no chance whatsoever to win. So we get to have corrupt jackhole Democrats in power instead. Yay. *sigh* - Well, at least when they get caught in sex scandals it's usually with adult members of the opposite sex, which is more than anyone can hope for from GOP politicians. Why is it that the more loudly one proclaims one's religion and the more vigorously one pounds one's bible on the pulpit, the more likely it is that one turns out to be an utterly deranged sex criminal? My working theory is that religion eventually drives people insane.
The Pubbbies now more closely resemble Bonzo ...
#33. To: LACUMO (#26)
#34. To: christine (#14)
i wouldn't count on that. in 8 yrs, if the country still exists, and after the rubes have had it with the democrats, the republicans will be installed again. i wouldn't be surprised if it's another bush. let's see now. that gives the democrats and clintons 16 years to groom chelsea.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#35. To: christine (#20)
your attempt to stir us up has failed.
#36. To: iconoclast (#27)
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...it's bedtime for them.
#37. To: iconoclast (#29)
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scrapper: the GOP (will) move steadily leftward and be a pale reflection of the Dem Party
#38. To: Jhoffa_ (#21)
Perhaps a chance to educate along the way.
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#25)
Kids who think
#40. To: iconoclast (#38)
#41. To: LACUMO (#26)
Don't you love what the pubbies and bush have done to our country over the last 7 plus years?
#42. To: scrapper2 (#37)
Both parties are militarist, that's a given. Both parties are beholden to their respective, often cross-over, lobby groups, another given.
#43. To: Jhoffa_ (#36)
PS: The democrat party should be careful making assumptions like this. Remember how they lost Congress?
#44. To: christine (#31)
how many times does scrapper have to post that she is a paleoconservative who shuns the neocon-neolib ISRAEL FIRSTERS of both parties and is/was a Ron Paul supporter before you'll stop accusing her of being a pubbiebot?
#45. To: scrapper2 (#37)
Limousine Liberal
#46. To: scrapper2 (#37)
Both parties have become more similar than dis-similar except for their taxation policies.
#47. To: iconoclast (#45)
The biggest limousine you've ever imagined has been more that buried under $7,000,000,000. The final(?) debacle of the Bush administration. God will it.
#48. To: christine (#42)
Both parties are militarist, that's a given.
#49. To: iconoclast (#48)
The Democrats are internationalists. The Republicans are interventionists.
#50. To: LACUMO, christine, scrapper2, All (#44)
Her postings almost always blame the demonwits for all that is wrong with our country and government
#51. To: iconoclast (#50)
her name is legion.
#52. To: randge (#49)
The Democrats are internationalists. The Republicans are interventionists.
#53. To: iconoclast (#46)
You diehards persist in missing the point.
#54. To: scrapper2 (#51)
What a small world of navel gazing, panty pissers you must hang with
#55. To: iconoclast (#48)
The Democrats learned their lesson from the Vietnam war.
#56. To: iconoclast (#54)
Bang on!
#57. To: LACUMO (#47)
Many claim to be beyond the two parties but through their writings, they show their true selves.
#58. To: scrapper2, All (#53)
Speak for yourself when you refer to "diehards." That you don't see that the elitist Plutarchs run BOTH the GOP AND the Dems demonstrates how blind you are.
#59. To: scrapper2 (#56)
Oh really? 4um is your posting home? Righhhhttttt...
#60. To: iconoclast (#0)
(Edited)
We need a large government to oversee an increasingly complex global economy.
#61. To: All (#59)
I have a life.
#62. To: PnbC (#60)
Ron Paul's candidacy must have positively terrified you.
#63. To: iconoclast (#58)
(Edited)
I find it revealing that both parties ante'd up $7,000,000,000 to the striped pants boys with hardly a whimper but the Dims now are going through a charade of bloodying up the obtuse auto execs to show their toughness.
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#64. To: Elliott Jackalope (#63)
And that would leave you to vote for leftist scum (my how you hate that word) or some obscure 3rd party candidate who hasn't a chance. You trudging off to the polls to change America = a very, very large waste of time, effort and gas.
It will be a very cold day in Hell before I personally cast a single vote for anyone on the Republican ticket ever again for as long as I live.
#65. To: iconoclast (#62)
It was a comment on Mekons5's article. I thought him one of the good guys, but if he is going to defend leviathan government then again, I say RP's candidacy must have terrified him.
DEATH TO THE GOP!
#66. To: Jethro Tull (#64)
So I take it you support the GOP? I'm curious, how can anyone support that party at this point? Oh, and just calling the Democrats "leftist scum" is a pretty empty statement, considering the recent history of such "Democratic" leaders as Bill Clinton, who for all intents and purposes was a Republican in Democrat's clothing. Let me guess, you're of the opinion that "leftists" are just generically bad, period? Anyone to the left of Mussolini is inherently wrong? Is that it? So I guess we should get rid of child labor laws, public education and the 40-hour workweek, right? After all, those were all things that got promoted by those "leftist scum" you so deeply hate. But you know what? All of this is moot anyways. America is gutted, all that's left is an empty carcass that hasn't stopped twitching and flopping yet. Our industrial base is gone. We don't have any tooling left. We quite literally do not have the technology to be able to put together an assembly line to produce a television that anyone in their right mind would want to purchase. Everything for sale here that's worth buying is either made in China or Japan. It's over. We're all yelling and screaming and shouting and fighting on the decks of a burning ship that's sinking fast. America is toast. It's done. It's dead. Deal with it. The "free traders" did their work, and now we are utterly destroyed. We'll all be living in shantytowns and tent cities within the next three years, mark my words. And if you think the battles between people are vicious now, wait until they're killing each other over a can of beans or a pair of socks. It won't be heated words on a computer screen, it will be tire irons embedded in skulls. We are doomed.
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#67. To: iconoclast (#52)
Which might be a distinction with a difference if they served different masters. It is a very real distinction. Damn, that dastardly "man behind the curtain" peeks out again and all sensibility goes poof again Enlighten me. I'm always eager to learn new things.
The Democrats are internationalists. The Republicans are interventionists.
#68. To: Elliott Jackalope (#66)
Unlike you, I don't participate in the voting scam, so no I'm not an R, nor a D. Cram that up your butt. And yes, there is a political left. The Ds are steeped in it as are the Rs. What is it? HUGE, FUCKING GOVERNMENT. So, unless you tossed your vote to some obscure 3rd party candidate you VOTED FOR THE POLITICAL LEFT. Congratulations, you political illiterate goofball. PS: I got the idea for the CAPS from your RANTS!
So I take it you support the GOP?
#69. To: Beendigen Sie die Kommunisten (#2)
They control both wings the global ware party. Yes.
Sie kontrollieren beide Flügel die Globalist Partei.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#70. To: Jethro Tull (#64)
It will be a very cold day in Hell before I personally cast a single vote for anyone on the Republican or Democratic ticket ever again for as long as I live. Both of these parties have been taken over by the joos and NWO gurus. Both have had their hand in destroying our country. Hopefully, the pubbie party has finally destroyed itself and Obanger will do the same to the demonwit party and do it in only 4 years. Then maybe enough sheeple will get with the program and realize they have been had and will revolt. The following was found at the Wickipedia site for Pittsburgh Pa. Let us hope the present pubbie party has been destroyed by bush never to rebound and never to return. Note: From the American Civil War to the 1930s, Pittsburgh was a Republican stronghold. Democratic candidates have been elected consecutively to either the mayor's office or city council since 1933, when David L. Lawrence was able to lead the party to power due to the alleged corruption and fraction of the Pittsburgh Republican Party and the election of President Roosevelt whose New Deal began the recovery from the Great Depression, by which the workers of Pittsburgh were especially hard hit.[73] Today, the ratio of Democratic to Republican registrations within the city limits is 5 to 1. Now if only Pittsburgh can get rid of the demonwitic party as well!!!!
It will be a very cold day in Hell before I personally cast a single vote for anyone on the Republican ticket ever again for as long as I live
#71. To: christine (#20)
Ain't that the truth!
you'll not find anyone attempting to defend the republicans.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#72. To: Jethro Tull (#68)
I fully understand why people choose to not vote in rigged elections, believe me, I know that feeling well. And I won't say you are not justified in feeling that way either. In this last election I was mainly compelled to do whatever it was that I could do to punish the GOP in the only way I'm allowed to, because I have developed a deep and profound hate for that party. Once again, it all doesn't matter anyways, because America is totally gutted and utterly doomed. Three years, folks. That's how long you have at this point. We don't have any TOOLING left. Got it? The "free traders" have shipped it all overseas to China in their insane pursuit of "profits uber alles". Within three years the majority of the population will be homeless and hungry. The upcoming debacle will drive a lot of people out of their minds, and there is going to be a lot of suffering and a lot of death. Enjoy your Christmas, it's going to be the last one most of us will live to see that will look anything like what we've come to expect over the last few decades.
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