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Title: Title: The so-called rebirth of the Republican Party
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Published: Nov 7, 2008
Author: Mekons5
Post Date: 2008-11-22 12:12:54 by iconoclast
Keywords: Republicans, betrayal party, traitorous party, fascist party
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It is with a certain level of schadenfreude (well, to be honest, an ENORMOUS level of schadenfreude) that I have been reading right-wing blogs and publications since Tuesday night. OK, OK, I've been gloating. The hated GOP is a smoking heap of fascist wreckage, and I couldn't be happier. What I was most interested in, apart from the moans, screams and gnashing of teeth, was what rightward people are thinking about rebuilding the party. For the true wingnuts, it's simple. Palin. Hate. Fear. Racism. Calling everyone to their left (that is, everyone) socialists and homos. In other words, keeping up the same set of theories and tactics that have kept them in power over the past eight years. I certainly hope they win out, because it will guarantee they will never get close to power ever, ever again. There's another group who think Republicans just have to refine their message of small government and lower taxes. These people are brain-dead. This is not 1800. The government is not going to get smaller, and nor should it. They talk about cutting spending so they can provide tax cuts for the wealthy. They never, ever name something they want to cut. You can go through the budget and trim here and there, but it is possible to take a meat ax to only one part of the budget that will produce real savings: the military. That's it. We can save hundreds of billions a year by killing silly, corrupt programs like a missile shield and by cutting our number of troops in half. Let's see them propose that. We need a large government to oversee an increasingly complex global economy. A few years back, the Bushies cut the number of inspectors at USDA and FDA drastically. The result? Record numbers of deaths from poisoned meat, spinach, bean sprouts, and tomatoes, among others. Not to mention poisoned baby food, pet food and other food products and toys coming from China. It's pretty obvious those jobs have to be restored, but of course, the Bushies deliberately threw away trillions so that there would be no funds to undo their evil agenda. As for lowering taxes on the rich, forget it. These people have looted the economy of trillions of dollars, and now they can just pay it back. I'd go way past raising taxes to disgorgement of profits made from investments in the housing bubble, the gamed derivatives market, and so on. They invested a few million in bribing the Bushies to get rid of any oversight whatsoever, then went out robbin' an a stabbin' an a shootin' and a lootin'. Let's just seize their bank accounts and force them to prove what was earned honestly. If conservatives really think the whole problem is just refining a low tax, small government message, they're just deluded. People who have watched their houses disappear, who have lost their jobs, who have lost their pensions and benefits want bigger government and higher taxes to spread the pain around. The country will never listen to that bromide, at least in the foreseeable future. There is a third group. These are the people like Andrew Sullivan who bailed out of the GOP over the last few years. They have no idea how to rebuild the GOP and really don't care. A few have noted that there is no one left in the party who isn't a clueless, corrupt thug and they want the Republican Party to just go away, to be replaced by who knows what. They figure that after a time in the wilderness, what is left of the party will turn to them to develop an intellectual, principled and honest conservative movement. Yeah, sure. Good luck with that, guys. Remember who your voters are: ignorant, hateful, racist, thuggish morons. I'm sure that reading them The Wealth of Nations will get them to rally round you better than calling Democrats commies and nigger-lovers. Remember how stupid the GOP has been. They started an optional war just for the fun of it, and became the first nation in recorded history to cut taxes during wartime and THEY ALL THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. It was the most predictable disaster in human history, comparable to all those bozos you read about in News of the Weird who stick roman candles up their butts, light them, and then wonder why they blew their asses off. And the Republicans had the nerve to chant, "Use your brain, vote McCain." It is to laugh. I know that eventually the Stupid Party will be back. They'll find someone even more evil than Karl Rove to develop a package of lies and smears that will appeal to the moron class. But they have permanently alienated the following: Blacks, Latinos, the young, the educated, gays, urban livers, upscale suburbs and independents. What do they have left? Old white people in small towns. Can they come back? Possibly. Will it be in my lifetime? Absolutely no chance. I sort of like a two-party system. However, it will not work if one party is simply interested in power, has no ideas, cares only about the wealthy while lying to the poor that they have a chance to become wealthy (assuming they can go back in time and get born to different parents), and will go as low as necessary to gain and hold on to power.
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#66. To: Jethro Tull (#64)
So I take it you support the GOP? I'm curious, how can anyone support that party at this point? Oh, and just calling the Democrats "leftist scum" is a pretty empty statement, considering the recent history of such "Democratic" leaders as Bill Clinton, who for all intents and purposes was a Republican in Democrat's clothing. Let me guess, you're of the opinion that "leftists" are just generically bad, period? Anyone to the left of Mussolini is inherently wrong? Is that it? So I guess we should get rid of child labor laws, public education and the 40-hour workweek, right? After all, those were all things that got promoted by those "leftist scum" you so deeply hate. But you know what? All of this is moot anyways. America is gutted, all that's left is an empty carcass that hasn't stopped twitching and flopping yet. Our industrial base is gone. We don't have any tooling left. We quite literally do not have the technology to be able to put together an assembly line to produce a television that anyone in their right mind would want to purchase. Everything for sale here that's worth buying is either made in China or Japan. It's over. We're all yelling and screaming and shouting and fighting on the decks of a burning ship that's sinking fast. America is toast. It's done. It's dead. Deal with it. The "free traders" did their work, and now we are utterly destroyed. We'll all be living in shantytowns and tent cities within the next three years, mark my words. And if you think the battles between people are vicious now, wait until they're killing each other over a can of beans or a pair of socks. It won't be heated words on a computer screen, it will be tire irons embedded in skulls. We are doomed.
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#67. To: iconoclast (#52)
Which might be a distinction with a difference if they served different masters. It is a very real distinction. Damn, that dastardly "man behind the curtain" peeks out again and all sensibility goes poof again Enlighten me. I'm always eager to learn new things.
The Democrats are internationalists. The Republicans are interventionists.
#68. To: Elliott Jackalope (#66)
Unlike you, I don't participate in the voting scam, so no I'm not an R, nor a D. Cram that up your butt. And yes, there is a political left. The Ds are steeped in it as are the Rs. What is it? HUGE, FUCKING GOVERNMENT. So, unless you tossed your vote to some obscure 3rd party candidate you VOTED FOR THE POLITICAL LEFT. Congratulations, you political illiterate goofball. PS: I got the idea for the CAPS from your RANTS!
So I take it you support the GOP?
#69. To: Beendigen Sie die Kommunisten (#2)
They control both wings the global ware party. Yes.
Sie kontrollieren beide Flügel die Globalist Partei.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#70. To: Jethro Tull (#64)
It will be a very cold day in Hell before I personally cast a single vote for anyone on the Republican or Democratic ticket ever again for as long as I live. Both of these parties have been taken over by the joos and NWO gurus. Both have had their hand in destroying our country. Hopefully, the pubbie party has finally destroyed itself and Obanger will do the same to the demonwit party and do it in only 4 years. Then maybe enough sheeple will get with the program and realize they have been had and will revolt. The following was found at the Wickipedia site for Pittsburgh Pa. Let us hope the present pubbie party has been destroyed by bush never to rebound and never to return. Note: From the American Civil War to the 1930s, Pittsburgh was a Republican stronghold. Democratic candidates have been elected consecutively to either the mayor's office or city council since 1933, when David L. Lawrence was able to lead the party to power due to the alleged corruption and fraction of the Pittsburgh Republican Party and the election of President Roosevelt whose New Deal began the recovery from the Great Depression, by which the workers of Pittsburgh were especially hard hit.[73] Today, the ratio of Democratic to Republican registrations within the city limits is 5 to 1. Now if only Pittsburgh can get rid of the demonwitic party as well!!!!
It will be a very cold day in Hell before I personally cast a single vote for anyone on the Republican ticket ever again for as long as I live
#71. To: christine (#20)
Ain't that the truth!
you'll not find anyone attempting to defend the republicans.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#72. To: Jethro Tull (#68)
I fully understand why people choose to not vote in rigged elections, believe me, I know that feeling well. And I won't say you are not justified in feeling that way either. In this last election I was mainly compelled to do whatever it was that I could do to punish the GOP in the only way I'm allowed to, because I have developed a deep and profound hate for that party. Once again, it all doesn't matter anyways, because America is totally gutted and utterly doomed. Three years, folks. That's how long you have at this point. We don't have any TOOLING left. Got it? The "free traders" have shipped it all overseas to China in their insane pursuit of "profits uber alles". Within three years the majority of the population will be homeless and hungry. The upcoming debacle will drive a lot of people out of their minds, and there is going to be a lot of suffering and a lot of death. Enjoy your Christmas, it's going to be the last one most of us will live to see that will look anything like what we've come to expect over the last few decades.
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#73. To: Elliott Jackalope (#72)
Elliott, I apologize for losing my temper. Bad moment here....Ill discuss this rationally when things normalize here. We're not far apart politically, if at all.
#74. To: Jethro Tull (#57)
Guess this fits you pretty well jethro. Your criticism of Ron Paul shows your lack of commitment to getting our country back on track. Geeze, you hate the pubbies, hate Obanger, and hate Ron Paul. This worries me. Since you don't have a favorite party and you are engrossed in politics up to your eyeballs, I'm afraid you might lose it and do yourself bodily harm. You're all over the place in your thinking!
Many claim to be beyond the two parties but through their writings, they show their true selves.
#75. To: Jethro Tull (#73)
No worries, believe me I understand. This last election was hard on us all. I still can't believe a cipher like Obama got elected to the presidency. Good grief... what has he actually DONE? I mean, besides repeating "Hope" "Change" "Hope" "Change" "Hope" "Change" ten thousand times. Hey, how about I hope for a change and ask for some SUBSTANCE from a candidate for the PRESIDENCY? And now he's appointing hundreds of Clinton's old cronies. Good grief. At this point we might as well have elected Hillary. Hillary NAFTA GATT IRAQ Clinton. Just makes me want to scream. We are sooooo screwed.
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#76. To: Elliott Jackalope, JT, all (#75)
Bottom-line for most here.
This last election was hard on us all. I still can't believe a cipher like Obama got elected to the presidency. Good grief... what has he actually DONE? I mean, besides repeating "Hope" "Change" "Hope" "Change" "Hope" "Change" ten thousand times. Hey, how about I hope for a change and ask for some SUBSTANCE from a candidate for the PRESIDENCY? And now he's appointing hundreds of Clinton's old cronies. Good grief. At this point we might as well have elected Hillary. Hillary NAFTA GATT IRAQ Clinton. Just makes me want to scream. We are sooooo screwed.
#77. To: iconoclast (#0)
Uhhh...thanks but no thanks. They are dead to me.
rightward people are thinking about rebuilding the party.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
#78. To: Hayek Fan (#77)
EXACTLY how I feel. It will be a very very VERY cold day in Hell before I ever vote for anyone on the GOP ticket ever again. Ever. I could live to be 150 years old, it won't matter. I won't ever forget the utterly horrible George W. Bush administration.
Uhhh...thanks but no thanks. They (the GOP) are dead to me.
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#79. To: Elliott Jackalope (#78)
The only way I will vote for anyone in the GOP is if Dr. Paul runs again. This election cycle I voted for Baldwin for President and Libertarian for everything else. In the races that only had republicrat and democan candidates, I left the ballot blank. I won't even vote for them for dogcatcher.
EXACTLY how I feel. It will be a very very VERY cold day in Hell before I ever vote for anyone on the GOP ticket ever again. Ever. I could live to be 150 years old, it won't matter. I won't ever forget the utterly horrible George W. Bush administration.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
#80. To: LACUMO (#74)
JT doesn't hate Ron Paul. he does hate republican politicians and the republican party (as do i), ergo, he has a problem with Ron Paul's declaration, "i'm a republican and i'll always be a republican." since you share our disdain for the republican party, do you find RP's devotion to it troublesome?
#81. To: iconoclast (#28)
Great response !
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
#82. To: Elliott Jackalope (#63)
Not to be fussy or anything, but the good folks at CNBC are reporting the actual number at $4,300,000,000,000 (four TRILLION three hundred billion), as of a couple of weeks ago.
You slipped two digits. It's not $7,000,000,000 (seven billion), it's $700,000,000,000 (seven HUNDRED billion).
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#83. To: Esso (#82)
Ummm.... eeep? These are numbers so huge they render the term "astronomical" obsolete. Keep in mind that the total number of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy is generally considered to be somewhere around 100 billion to 200 billion. The number you quoted works out to over twenty to as many as 40 or more US dollars for every single star in our galaxy. We are so utterly screwed.
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#84. To: christine (#80)
I do not find Ron Paul's staying in the pubbie party troublesome whatsoever. If he would have refused to run for re-election as a pubbie, he wouldn't still be a congressman. That would be a blow to those of us who hold the two parties in disgust because Ron Paul continues to be a true and real patriot speaking out about the problems facing our country because so many of us have been hoodwinked and abused by the two parties responsible for our demise. I never voted for a pubbie or a demonwit because they were running on one of those two parties banners. I vote for the man, or woman that best supports our Constitution and has a track record that proves it. Show me another congressman or woman who can hold a candle to Ron Paul when it comes to integrity and devotion to governing by following our Constitution? I doubt if you can and if anyone comes close to Ron's principled past when voting for or against legislation. I might draw the line if he was registered communist or fascist party. I don't pretend to be smarter than anyone else on here. I do know that neither one of thetwo main parties do not have the average citizens best interests at heart. I do believe Ron Paul did and still does. Ron Paul is smart enough to know that the only way he can communicate his ideals, and they are very patriotic, is by having a venue to at least be able to express them and sometimes get them out into the mainstream media. To have not run for re-election to his congressional seat would have ended his chance to continue to address our country's problems as an insider. Apparently that would have been ok with you and Jethro and many others. He had to continue to the conclusion of the election. To be honest with you and many others, Ron Paul, I believe was our very very very last chance to turn this country back to a God fearing Constitutional Republic. When he passes and no longer is a congressman, there will not be another like him in my lifetime and many of your lifetimes as well. The closest person to governing like Ron Paul was congressman Jim Trafficant and look what they have done to him. We are the ones who let Ron Paul down. I never said he was the smartest, the richest, the most handsome, nor the best campaigner. His election was doomed from the start, not because of his message, not because of the lack of money, not because of being marginalized by the media, but in spite of it because we the people (sheeple) let him down. In fact, we've been letting the best politicans down for at least the past 40 years or more. Instead of criticising Ron Paul we should be looking in a mirror at those that are to blame and that is each and everyone of us that has lost our backbone and allowed ourselves to be hoodwinked and dumbed down. I didn't do enough myself and accept my share of the blame.
he has a problem with Ron Paul's declaration, "i'm a republican and i'll always be a republican." since you share our disdain for the republican party, do you find RP's devotion to it troublesome?
#85. To: christine (#80)
Yes I do. Reminded me too much of McClintock. I lost respect for him when he supported Arnold. I expected these men to be principle over party and they weren't.
do you find RP's devotion to it troublesome?
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#86. To: LACUMO, christine (#84)
Instead of criticising Ron Paul we should be looking in a mirror at those that are to blame and that is each and everyone of us that has lost our backbone and allowed ourselves to be hoodwinked and dumbed down. I didn't do enough myself and accept my share of the blame. The vote was rigged. That is not our fault. Only our fault if we allow it to continue. As long as people put party over principle things will never change.
We are the ones who let Ron Paul down. I never said he was the smartest, the richest, the most handsome, nor the best campaigner. His election was doomed from the start, not because of his message, not because of the lack of money, not because of being marginalized by the media, but in spite of it because we the people (sheeple) let him down. In fact, we've been letting the best politicans down for at least the past 40 years or more.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#87. To: farmfriend, christine, jethro tull (#86)
Well it was rigged in Florida in 2000, not that gore would have been any better, and we did nothing. Then it was rigged in Ohio in 2004. That certainly was our fault because we allowed it to happen again after the 2000 election. Now it has happened again, but the two wings of our one party got a little smarter. Instead of rigging the votes, they put up candidates they could live with and we lost just the same. Nobody spoke up forcefully when Ron Paul and others were marginalized by the MSM. We should have tore up the television networks for the part they played in manipulating the debates and news coverage of the entire campaign. The joos in control are still in control. ..and all you self proclaimed Ron Paul supporters who abandoned him before and after the election, we wouldn't have heard one frigging word outta your mouths if Ron Paul would have won the pubbie nomination. And that is a fact you can't deny! As I said, we let him down!!!!
The vote was rigged. That is not our fault. Only our fault if we allow it to continue. As long as people put party over principle things will never change.
#88. To: LACUMO (#87)
That includes RP himself. The
last 'debate' on CNN was a disgrace. Blitzer treated him like a red-headed
step child and gentleman Ron took it like a man (read; he kept a cork in his
mouth). The very least he should have done is bring attention to the time
inequity Blitzer gave the candidates. And please tell me again why he remains
in the Wide-Stance Party?
Nobody spoke up forcefully when Ron Paul and others were
marginalized by the MSM.
#89. To: LACUMO (#87)
Ron Paul said not one word in his own defense when McKooK demeaned him on national TV. That was the indication that Paul had not the stomach for politics.
Nobody spoke up forcefully when Ron Paul and others were marginalized by the MSM
#90. To: Esso (#82)
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Not to be fussy or anything, but the good folks at CNBC are reporting the actual number at $4,300,000,000,000 (four TRILLION three hundred billion), as of a couple of weeks ago.
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
#91. To: Jethro Tull (#5)
LOL!!!!
Authored by Mekons5, and read by Mekons6, Mekons7 and Mekons8
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#92. To: christine (#14)
Last time I saw her it looked like it would take all of that.
that gives the democrats and clintons 16 years to groom chelsea.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#93. To: Jhoffa_ (#90)
The $700 billion figure commonly quoted is only the TARP funds (i.e. direct payments to Tel Aviv). That doesn't include the bank purchases, liquidity injections or the other various & sundry bullshit/nonsense. Somebody posted a link to a CNBC story that had a total breakdown of the payments the other day. $4T+ so far.
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Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#94. To: LACUMO (#87) (Edited)
suuuure. that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but i will tell you that it's erroneous. we'll just have to agree to disagree on who let who down. my husband and i have supported Ron Paul and his Liberty Caucus since 2000. we attended several of his fundraisers and donated hundreds of dollars over the years. during his presidential campaign, we attended more fundraising events, passed out hundreds of bumperstickers, cards, and flyers, and donated more than $2000 to his campaign via the money bombs. AND 4um was an active and enthusiastic board for Ron Paul! don't tell me i let Ron Paul down. he let us down when he declined to address the vote fraud in the NH primary. not only did he not pursue investigation of it, but he actually said that it didn't happen. imo, his illumination of the vote fraud (and i believe his leadership would have galvanized massive support) was the most important thing Ron Paul could have done for us. afterall, without legitimate elections, we have nothing.
have heard one frigging word outta your mouths if Ron Paul would have won the pubbie nomination.
#95. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
You cheered him on when he was running as a pubbie in the primarys. That makes you a hypocrit. I am not defending the pubbie party. The party is anti-American as is the demonwit party. Ron Paul was far and above the best candidate running. !!!!!!!
..and all you self proclaimed Ron Paul supporters who abandoned him before and after the election, we wouldn't have heard one frigging word outta your mouths if Ron Paul would have won the pubbie nomination. And that is a fact you can't deny!
#96. To: Esso (#93)
OMG.. They're looting the ship before it slips beneath the waves.
Somebody posted a link to a CNBC story that had a total breakdown of the payments the other day. $4T+ so far
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
#97. To: Esso (#93) (Edited)
PS: But fear not! King Barak is going to BUY US ALL A JOB with FREE government money! Oh boy! OH BOY!
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
#98. To: christine (#94)
I know you were at different functions attended by Ron Paul. Why did you not speak up at one of them and tell him the prudent thing would have been to speak up about the media abuse and bias. Oh, I guess you wouldn't be allowed to speak to him! Maybe the whole Ron Paul campaign was hijacked from the beginning because a lot of folks acted like he was the nominee before any votes were cast. Maybe the money bombs, the limo, the USA Today add, and the blimp were diversions planted by the news media and the pubbie party thru someone who infiltrated his campaign. Hell, I can remember many on this very forum ready to crucify him because he didn't name a runningmate. Surely someone who supported him had enough experience to point out the pitfalls in the way his campaign was being run and to tell him to speak out about the media snubbing. The real truth is now coming out and one can see how shallow the support for Ron Paul really was. As they say, hindsight is always 20/20. I'd like to add that figures don't lie, but liars figure. Nobody complained one word, including you, christine, when he was running as a republican. Now he is regarded as an old piece of over-the-hill lousy inept pubbie politican. Shameful to say the least. We definitely don't deserve him and we got what we deserve in obanger just as we got what we deserved with commrade bush.
don't tell me i let Ron Paul down. he let us down when he declined to address the vote fraud in the NH primary.
#99. To: LACUMO (#95)
I cheered him on? BS. I gave him money, but I left this board for more than a month (so as not to rain on your parade) because I KNEW He'd DISAPPOINT, JUST AS PEROT & BUCHANAN did. And guess what LACAUMO? I was right. He flat out quit, not b/c he was broke or lacked support, but b/c he is a g'damn Republican and refused to leave the WIDE STANCE PARTY. Right now he is as useless as tits on a bull sitting in the House. Please tap me on the shoulder when he offers up the next "GET OUT OF THE UN NOW" amendment so I can LMAO. There was never a better time to lead a 3rd party effort and he bailed on those who gave him their all. So please get a grip and get past the Ron Paul 'movement.' It crashed and burnt six months ago.
You cheered him on when he was running as a pubbie in the primarys. That makes you a hypocrit.
#100. To: Jethro Tull (#99)
So why did you give him money if you knew he would go the way of PPerot and Buchanan? I'm not calling you dumb or anything, but to give money to a candidate knowing their campaign is doomed from the get-go just seems mighty strange. I guess it would be like buying a pig in a poke.
I cheered him on? BS. I gave him money, but I left this board for more than a month (so as not to rain on your parade) because I KNEW He'd DISAPPOINT, JUST AS PEROT & BUCHANAN did.
#101. To: LACUMO (#100)
I gave b/c I prayed to god he'd get fed up w/the Rs and lead an independent movement. Had he, I'm sure he would have gotten 8-10% of the vote at a bare minimum. That would have positioned us for ballot access and federal matching funds in '12. The stars were in alignment this year like never before.
So why did you give him money if you knew he would go the way of PPerot and Buchanan?
#102. To: Jethro Tull (#101)
Ok! I never heard you espouse that before. Guess your prayers went unanswered. I don't know where we go from here. I personally will never get involved again. The Ron Paul campaign was my last one. In fact, I won't be cheering on anyone else unless Jim Trafficant gets back into politics.
I gave b/c I prayed to god he'd get fed up w/the Rs and lead an independent movement.
#103. To: LACUMO (#98) (Edited)
That was me. Somehow I do not think you have ever thought this thing through. Paul like McKooK is and OLD man. McKooK FINALLY named a running partner and without naming a younger female, Obama would have had a landslide. In politics 2 plus 2 is not always 4. You need to broaden your thinking as presently it is too narrow with blinders.
Hell, I can remember many on this very forum ready to crucify him because he didn't name a runningmate.
#104. To: Cynicom (#103)
Thank iou doctor! I didn't know that you were so intelligent and have a PhD in mindless jibberish and that you are qualified to render mindless observations. Do I owe you a doctor's fee for this dribble?
You need to broaden your thinking as presently it is too narrow with blinders.
#105. To: LACUMO, All (#104)
Lacumo... When indulging in any civil discussion or debate, the first evidence of a person having an intellectually empty quiver, is when they turn to a childish attack mode. There is no fee for this observation. Everyone with interest has read it and most will reach the same conclusion. While following this thread without comment, I must say, that to a casual observer your posts are a bit confusing.
#106. To: Cynicom, All (#105) (Edited)
Well let me unconfuse you and set you straight. By the way, you aren't gay are you? That would make it harder to set you straight. Let us look back and we see that Ron Paul started his campaign on a shoe string in more ways than monetarily. He did not have the party behind him. He did not have big money behind him. He did not have a proven campaign manager behind him. When you don't have these things behind your campaign, you are an outsider, a maverick, as sarah what's her face said she and mcnutz were. When you are an outsider or maverick, you are hard to control and become someone to be afraid of. The PTB were afraid of Ron Paul. The PTB had to destroy Ron Paul and dash the hopes of those of us who claimed to be supporters. Some of us really were staunch supporters and some just jumped on the bandwagon for a short ride. As soon as the first fart in the wind came along, many jumped off the wagon or were blown off. None of us knows what really happened up or down in Paul's campaign. Some think he or his family were threatened just because of his candidacy. That could very well have happened. We know that Perot was threatened and the story about wrecking his daughter's wedding was just a cover. Somebody said he was probably shown the Kennedy assanation photos. That sounds more plausible. But don't let me get side tracked here. Ron Paul is only human and humans make mistakes. Some of you claim you don't but you sure are quick to point out others mistakes. Ron Paul came right out after the PTB from the get-go. He lambasted everything from the economy, the illegal wars, the illegal immigration, the income tax, and the federal reserve. He bacame the number one thorn in the sides of the PTB. He had to be stopped and he was. Not only did the PTB margimalize him thru the jooish media, but they planted the seeds of doubt in many Paul supporters, some of those seeds were even here on Freedom4um. Then there were those who thought the waltz to the nomination would be a cake walk. The phoney, blimp shit the phoney limo shit were a sign of arrogance. You never win the game until the game is played. Finally, I can assure you that my support for Ron Paul was based on his record as a congressman and his stature as a true patriot and statesman. He was without a doubt, the best candidate running. He has some flaws and weaknesses as do all of us, but he definitely was heads and shoulders above all the other candidates. It matters not what party he ran under, along side or with. His character is what made him the person who he was and will always be.Those of you who cannot get over him running as a republican or even staying in the republican party, I feel sorry for. It has been said that one should stay close to his friends, but keep his enemies closer, and I beleive Ron Paul is doing just that by staying in the republican party. At least in this election, he certainly wouldn't have been re-elected if he ran a a third party candidate. Not one single candidate running as a third party candidate got elected to national office. Ron Paul knew the fight it would be when he pledged to run. He gave it his best shot and left the rest up to us. Apparently it just wasn't to be. It saddens me deeply how many are now willing to smear Ron Paul when just a few short months ago, we were hailing him as the best thing to come along since chopped liver and cream cheese. If any of you patriots think Ron Paul let you down, just try and find another candidate down the road that you willingly will support all the way to the whitehouse. And if you do, that candidate just might be the anti-christ.
While following this thread without comment, I must say, that to a casual observer your posts are a bit confusing.
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