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Title: Title: The so-called rebirth of the Republican Party
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Published: Nov 7, 2008
Author: Mekons5
Post Date: 2008-11-22 12:12:54 by iconoclast
Keywords: Republicans, betrayal party, traitorous party, fascist party
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Comments: 124
It is with a certain level of schadenfreude (well, to be honest, an ENORMOUS level of schadenfreude) that I have been reading right-wing blogs and publications since Tuesday night. OK, OK, I've been gloating. The hated GOP is a smoking heap of fascist wreckage, and I couldn't be happier. What I was most interested in, apart from the moans, screams and gnashing of teeth, was what rightward people are thinking about rebuilding the party. For the true wingnuts, it's simple. Palin. Hate. Fear. Racism. Calling everyone to their left (that is, everyone) socialists and homos. In other words, keeping up the same set of theories and tactics that have kept them in power over the past eight years. I certainly hope they win out, because it will guarantee they will never get close to power ever, ever again. There's another group who think Republicans just have to refine their message of small government and lower taxes. These people are brain-dead. This is not 1800. The government is not going to get smaller, and nor should it. They talk about cutting spending so they can provide tax cuts for the wealthy. They never, ever name something they want to cut. You can go through the budget and trim here and there, but it is possible to take a meat ax to only one part of the budget that will produce real savings: the military. That's it. We can save hundreds of billions a year by killing silly, corrupt programs like a missile shield and by cutting our number of troops in half. Let's see them propose that. We need a large government to oversee an increasingly complex global economy. A few years back, the Bushies cut the number of inspectors at USDA and FDA drastically. The result? Record numbers of deaths from poisoned meat, spinach, bean sprouts, and tomatoes, among others. Not to mention poisoned baby food, pet food and other food products and toys coming from China. It's pretty obvious those jobs have to be restored, but of course, the Bushies deliberately threw away trillions so that there would be no funds to undo their evil agenda. As for lowering taxes on the rich, forget it. These people have looted the economy of trillions of dollars, and now they can just pay it back. I'd go way past raising taxes to disgorgement of profits made from investments in the housing bubble, the gamed derivatives market, and so on. They invested a few million in bribing the Bushies to get rid of any oversight whatsoever, then went out robbin' an a stabbin' an a shootin' and a lootin'. Let's just seize their bank accounts and force them to prove what was earned honestly. If conservatives really think the whole problem is just refining a low tax, small government message, they're just deluded. People who have watched their houses disappear, who have lost their jobs, who have lost their pensions and benefits want bigger government and higher taxes to spread the pain around. The country will never listen to that bromide, at least in the foreseeable future. There is a third group. These are the people like Andrew Sullivan who bailed out of the GOP over the last few years. They have no idea how to rebuild the GOP and really don't care. A few have noted that there is no one left in the party who isn't a clueless, corrupt thug and they want the Republican Party to just go away, to be replaced by who knows what. They figure that after a time in the wilderness, what is left of the party will turn to them to develop an intellectual, principled and honest conservative movement. Yeah, sure. Good luck with that, guys. Remember who your voters are: ignorant, hateful, racist, thuggish morons. I'm sure that reading them The Wealth of Nations will get them to rally round you better than calling Democrats commies and nigger-lovers. Remember how stupid the GOP has been. They started an optional war just for the fun of it, and became the first nation in recorded history to cut taxes during wartime and THEY ALL THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. It was the most predictable disaster in human history, comparable to all those bozos you read about in News of the Weird who stick roman candles up their butts, light them, and then wonder why they blew their asses off. And the Republicans had the nerve to chant, "Use your brain, vote McCain." It is to laugh. I know that eventually the Stupid Party will be back. They'll find someone even more evil than Karl Rove to develop a package of lies and smears that will appeal to the moron class. But they have permanently alienated the following: Blacks, Latinos, the young, the educated, gays, urban livers, upscale suburbs and independents. What do they have left? Old white people in small towns. Can they come back? Possibly. Will it be in my lifetime? Absolutely no chance. I sort of like a two-party system. However, it will not work if one party is simply interested in power, has no ideas, cares only about the wealthy while lying to the poor that they have a chance to become wealthy (assuming they can go back in time and get born to different parents), and will go as low as necessary to gain and hold on to power.
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#1. To: iconoclast (#0)
So, half the two-party system is dead? Good. One down, one to go.
Communists are movingly, rotten, thieves. In all brevity. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sie kontrollieren beide Flügel die Globalist Partei. They control both wings the global ware party.
"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory" Dies ist gut The Republican Party would like to usher in a New Age of Feudalism. The Marxism of the Democrat Party seems more likely to catch on, especially among mud people.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
hahahaha...oh yeah, these are the dem voters all right..."the educated, the urban livers"...sheesh...and GOP voters are urban stomachs?...educated Dems my foot - the appropriate descriptor should have been urban "dwellers", moron... Let's cut to the chase. This essay was written by the stereotypical smug sanctimonious progressive who thinks his poop doesn't smell because he votes for the superior minded political party - tahdah - the D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C P-A-R-T-Y, when in fact the only reason he votes for the Dems is because that party promises him enhanced levels of entitlements due to higher taxes of the "the rich" and this satisfies his social-economic class envy.
Authored by Mekons5, and read by Mekons6, Mekons7 and Mekons8
mekons
Is there any language that you speak or write natively? Just curious.
germericanlish Ha Ha Ha
"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory" Dies ist gut I didn't think so.
¿Habla usted español?
"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory" Dies ist gut
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"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory" Dies ist gut Indeed, this sums up me-cons to a "t". Frankly, I was surprised that he was able to limit his urge to use foul language in this essay as was his habit when posting messages here. I wonder how the Messiah's decision to send his kids to Sidwell Friends private school instead of da' common peepul's public school system sits with Mekons...oops I forgot...Mekons sends his kid to a private school on a scholarship that is gratis from the "rich" full-pay parents there, many of whom might actually be GOPer voters...oh, the horror!...a scholarship tainted by urban GOPer stomachs...
i wouldn't count on that. in 8 yrs, if the country still exists, and after the rubes have had it with the democrats, the republicans will be installed again. i wouldn't be surprised if it's another bush. let's see now. that gives the democrats and clintons 16 years to groom chelsea.
Mekons wrote this? I knew he was a leftie, but I assumed he was a little deeper than this. Such a waste of effort. Rassis', thugish, hateful morons, blah, blah.. On and on. It's like something a grade school student would write. I'm surprised he didn't say something bad about their mothers. He's right about one thing, though.. The message is the problem. All "conservative" candidates try to do nowadays is claim the mantle of Reagan. Reagan this and Reagan that.. Reagan, Reagan, Reagan.. It's all you hear. They see this as a formula of some kind. Mekons says it's not "The 1800's" which is pure hyperbole. No one is pitching that. He's close to the REAL PROBLEM, however - It's not 1980, either. Ron Reagan's message and his historic win was from a different era (Namely: The Cold War Era) and, frankly, allot of his "legacy" now lies in tatters. Tell me, who will vote for more militancy? Who still thinks privatization is a silver bullet? Who wants to provoke another arms race and who thinks big finance can be trusted to regulate itself? Who believes covert, extra-legal operations by our intelligence services should be encouraged or defended? Who thinks deficits don't matter? Who wants to pay for a gigantic military or still thinks we need one to remain free? Still believe in Trickle Down? Who wants to be a Service Economy? Come on! Surely SOMEONE wants to be a service economy! Let's see a show of hands! The rest of his little tirade is leftie delusion. There's plenty of things Americans want government to stay out of. Republicans will NEVER be able to sell big government better than the democrats. Trying will only lead to a string of defeats. He's right about the tax thing too.. The R's have led off with an economic message that's largely irrelevant to most people. Who gives a shit if the millionaires and billionaires that run congress get taxed for that privilege? I mean, really.. Rush Limbaugh has a war to pay for. Who cares if Dick Cheney pays a higher rate? The cart cannot come before the horse, either. That's another oversight about discussions like these. - Before the Republican party can be "reborn" it must decide if the message is going to be one of Freedom or Security. The two are in constant conflict and switching the emphasis from Freedom TO Security during the Bush years is the single most significant factor in recasting both the Party and Conservatism into what it has become today.. Words synonymous with endless militancy & interventionism, secrecy and fiscal irresponsibility. IMO this is a losing message which may win by default, but never on its own merits. If the focus is to remain on security at the expense of freedom, then there's nothing to "rebirth" End of discussion. All you are doing at that point is fine tuning and marketing the same old thing. Just putting fresh lipstick on the proverbial, perennial, Republican Pig.
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
More closely resembles an abortion.
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
PS: I am further amazed that Mekons is capable of typing the word "nigger" He must have spent a month in therapy after that one.. It's also amazing how someone can be presented with the same facts and draw such a wildly different opinion from them. All I see here is a rambling, delusional rant.. I'd be galactically amazed to learn that even the author believes every word of it, as written.
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
He's setting himself up for a terrible disappointment.
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
Ping. I like your analysis of mekons' essay. But I think it's more than even what you describe as being flaws in the GOPer platform that dooms its rebirth. I think the change in the electorate - masses of Third World immigrants - will require that the GOP move steadily leftward and be a pale reflection of the Dem Party. There is no hope for a Ron Paul paleocon mindset returning to the GOP ever. A paleocon message just wouldn't "sell" to the electorate America has today.
But you're pretty much preaching to the choir here. Take it over to freedom4um and laugh/cry at the replies. If you're not of a mind to, give me permission and let me stir 'em up! hey, demicon, because we're not democrats doesn't mean we're republicans. we're not republicans. you'll not find anyone attempting to defend the republicans. your attempt to stir us up has failed.
That's a strong possibility.. Then eventually, there will be bankruptcy and a reckoning. Perhaps a chance to educate along the way.
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
and here's the kicker (in the ass) scrapper ... YOUNG voters.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Ah, good ole trickle down worship!
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot And now Hoover chimes in.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Young voters who are inculcated in socialist dogma at our universities and haven't paid a dime in taxes? Kids who think in term of color over content? And you push this voting block out front of you as if it's something to be proud of? Your children and grand children deserve the multicultural quilt Obama will weave for them, but mine don't. Too bad you'll be long gone before you can apologize to them for supporting such garbage.
Let's cut to the chase. This essay was written by the sterotypical smug sanctimonious progressive who thinks his poop doesn't smell because he votes for the superior minded political party - tahdah - the R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N P-A- R-T-Y, when in fact the only reason he votes for the Pubs besides their being crooks and overwhelmingly gay is because that party promises him enhanced levels of entitlements (tax cuts for the wealthy) due to higher taxes of the " middle class" and this satisfies his social-economic class uppityness. Now that the elections are over, you are now showing all of us that you are a pubbiebot and bush supporter still. You have been indoctrinated and bought into the two wings of our one party. Mcnutz was your man and now you are crying in your beer. With the robbing of trillions of dollars and robbing the treasury of trillions to fight 2 illegal wars, the 700 billion bailout (robbery), the pubbie party leaves the next president to have to raise taxes and that is why they put up mcpuke so obanger would get elected. He won't be able to straighten out the mess and will actually be blamed for making things worse. Then the republipukes will try to make a comeback so they can continue robbing and destroting this country and traitors like yourself will gladly enable them. Aren't you so proud you are a pubbiebot? Don't you love what the pubbies and bush have done to our country over the last 7 plus years? One more question. Are you gay to boot?
The Pubbbies now more closely resemble Bonzo ... and it's bedtime for them.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot More closely resembles an abortion. Hee hee ........ Here's part of my reply to Mekon over there. This is the only circumstance I've encountered in which I support abortion.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot That is my fear. The Plutocrat party long since rejected principle for power. No moreso than when they got a good taste of it.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Edit: I was addressing the wrong post here.
how many times does scrapper have to post that she is a paleoconservative who shuns the neocon-neolib ISRAEL FIRSTERS of both parties and is/was a Ron Paul supporter before you'll stop accusing her of being a pubbiebot?
I was thinking more along the lines of Mussolini..
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
One more question. Are you gay to boot? I am a paleoconservative. That's why Dr. Ron Paul appeals to me and that's why I supported his campaign with $ and that's why he got my vote on Nov. 4th. You are so disconnected from reality that you have made up a fantasy of who you think I am. What more proof that you don't bother to read and comprehend my posts than the last question you pose to me. What an old foolish goat you are.
CyniChrissy!
That's why any hope for a new, true conservative will fail too? "Our" party's not dead, just a little fever. We'll WIN next time regardless of merit! That's what politics has become isn't it. A huge disgusting Super (ballot) Bowl (every four years instead of annually) with nothing more thought based than our guys beating theirs with dirt and cheap shots be damned?
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot PS: The democrat party should be careful making assumptions like this. Remember how they lost Congress? Obama wishes to tilt at windmills such as energy policy for purely ideological purposes. He has admitted that his policies will cause energy prices to "skyrocket" and wishes to destroy major, traditional energy providers, such as the coal industry. He wants to do this during a recession.. The democrats can hang much (But not all) of the last 8 years on Dubya, but they won't be able to convince anyone that needlessly sending a spike through every pocketbook in the country is a good idea. Then there's his OTHER policies.. Like a gigantic military and moar expensive war. Don't take anything for granted.. He'll be in the drivers seat come January, surely.. But, given enough rope, you may not recognize the political landscape by 2012..
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
iconoclast: That is my fear. The Plutocrat party long since rejected principle for power. No moreso than when they got a good taste of it. Say what? You associate Plutocracy with only the GOP? Where do you think the expression "Limousine Liberal" comes from? As a matter of fact, Obama and his party of da' peepul drew most its support from 2 extreme ends of society - the entitlement prone under class and the well heeled upper class, who have their $ stashed away in taxfree loop holes. The more the GOP moves leftward, the more leftward the Dems move as well. Get it? So all voters are left to vote for is being taxed more today as opposed to having their children taxed more tomorrow. Both parties are militarist, that's a given. Both parties are beholden to their respective, often cross-over, lobby groups, another given. The GOP in the past has been a tiny bit stronger on the 1st and 2nd amendments but as the party has become more RINO-ized, even those differences have diminished. Both parties have become more similar than dis-similar except for their taxation policies.
I went over to my grandson's high school the other evening to "dialog" with a coupl'a "educators". Until private schools outnumber gubmint schools you've got a wish in one hand and shit in the other and I hate to tell you which one is fillin' up faster.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Ah ... there's the rub.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot No, no.. Educate voters. The population. The state of our schools is another (very depressing) matter entirely.
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
WHOA! Where am I? I haven't been so stunned since I got hit directly in the nuts on a high school football field! ;-)
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot how is it, at this juncture, that anyone can not see this truth?
If the last eight years have taught us anything, surely it must be this: 1) Anything can happen. 2) A President will be measured AFTER his administration, not as he was BEFORE it began.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot She fools me. Her postings almost always blame the demonwits for all that is wrong with our country and government when anyone with a brain knows both the demonwits and the pubbiecrats are almost entirely the same. Reading many of her posts leading up to the last election and since has left very little doubt that she still favors the pubbies over the demonwits. Some of your own posts are also confusing. I guess I'm more than a little perplexed. So many on here want the rest of us to believe they are sophisticated and know that the two parties are pretty much the same and then show us through their written words that they still support the lesser of two evils. I can tell you straight off that when it comes to evil, nothing the demonwit party has done is anywhere more evil than the pubbie party and their members.
The biggest limousine you've ever imagined has been more that buried under $7,000,000,000. The final(?) debacle of the Bush administration. God will it. Wake up and smell the soup kitchen.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot You diehards persist in missing the point. If you get screwed by the Democrats, then by all means scream rape. But if "YOUR PARTY" screws you you persist in reacting like a nancy-boy in a jail cell of your own obtuseness ... grabbing your ankles once more and telling yourself, "surely this won't happen again".
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Wake up and smell the soup kitchen. Some never will! They bought into the lesser of two evils syndrome now and forevermore. Many claim to be beyond the two parties but through their writings, they show their true selves.
Chew on this little meatball for a while, christine. The Democrats are internationalists. The Republicans are interventionists. The Democrats learned their lesson from the Vietnam war. The Republicans long ago co-opted the "War Party" mantle from them.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Which might be a distinction with a difference if they served different masters.
That's pro forma here, her name is legion. Nobody here is a Republican. But, if it walks like a duck, and it talks like a duck.....
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot What a small world of navel gazing, panty pissers you must hang with if my name is "legion." Sheesh.
Which might be a distinction with a difference if they served different masters. It is a very real distinction. Damn, that dastardly "man behind the curtain" peeks out again and all sensibility goes poof again.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Speak for yourself when you refer to "diehards." That you don't see that the elitist Plutarchs run BOTH the GOP AND the Dems demonstrates how blind you are.
Bang on! But I wouldn't have been quite so harsh on my fellow 4um'ers.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Is that why Clinton bombed an innocent Serbia for 78 days from 30,000 feet?
But I wouldn't have been quite so harsh on my fellow 4um'ers. Oh really? 4um is your posting home? Righhhhttttt... The only time you post at 4um is when you come here once every 2 weeks to snoop or to deliver cheap shots on threads before slinking back to your regular milieu comprised of fellow entitlement cheerleading Ophiles.
You bitter fool. You haven't gotten over the fact that Ron Paul shit in the punch bowl. Move on, your hero is a g'damn Republican.
To some degree. I find it revealing that both parties ante'd up $7,000,000,000 to the striped pants boys with hardly a whimper but the Dims now are going through a charade of bloodying up the obtuse auto execs to show their toughness. Wonder which group sends the most gravy to D.C.? PS But how about dropping the old "ones as bad as the other" nonsense. If I hadn't just found out you were a lady, I'd probably tell you where to store it. Is America better off today than it was eight years ago? That's the way it used to work until the Lamebaugh "hate your neighbor" phonylosophy took root. It's the only thing that prevented a landslide this year.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Actually, I have only one home (sadly, not eight) and I'm sitting in it now. Other facts: I post all over the net. I don't post every day, much less every five minutes of every day. I have a life. When in a self-congratulatory state of mind I smugly regard myself as the Johnny Appleseed of common sense. ;-)
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot Ron Paul's candidacy must have positively terrified you (Mekons5).
DEATH TO THE GOP!
Which reminds me, I gotta get off my dead ass. It's been fun.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot OK, one more. Actually I was one of those star-y-eyed RP contributors.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot You slipped two digits. It's not $7,000,000,000 (seven billion), it's $700,000,000,000 (seven HUNDRED billion). As far as the GOP goes, just do a search for the keywords republican sex criminals, and then read the dozens of articles that come up. As far as I'm concerned the only remaining natural constituencies for the GOP are billionaires and people who are sexually attracted to underaged little boys. That's it. Believe in smaller government? Nope, that's not the GOP. Believe in "fiscal responsibility". Umm... no. Believe in limiting government powers? Fat chance. Believe in traditional American rights? Dream on. Believe in "America First" and doing things to promote American industry? Sorry, that gets in the way of "profits uber alles", which is the rallying cry of the free traitors, er, "traders". Believe in securing our borders and then deporting the tens of millions of illegals who have immivaded us? But, but, that gets in the way of profits! Believe in a fair day's pay for a fair day's work? What, are you HIGH? What about maximizing PROFITS? What are you, a COMMIE? But if you're into having sex with little boys, or if you are a billionaire, hey, the GOP is your party of choice. If you're a billionaire who also happens to be into having sex with little boys then the GOP is right up your alley... literally and figuratively. It will be a very cold day in Hell before I personally cast a single vote for anyone on the Republican ticket ever again for as long as I live. Federal, state, local offices, it don't matter to me. If they're GOP then they're self-propelled sewage as far as I'm concerned. To my mind they are quite literally evil incarnate. At least there's third parties, even though the system is utterly rigged against them and they have literally no chance whatsoever to win. So we get to have corrupt jackhole Democrats in power instead. Yay. *sigh* - Well, at least when they get caught in sex scandals it's usually with adult members of the opposite sex, which is more than anyone can hope for from GOP politicians. Why is it that the more loudly one proclaims one's religion and the more vigorously one pounds one's bible on the pulpit, the more likely it is that one turns out to be an utterly deranged sex criminal? My working theory is that religion eventually drives people insane.
#2. To: iconoclast (#0)
Kommunisten sind rührend, faul, Diebe. In aller Kürze.
#3. To: iconoclast (#0)
(Edited)
#4. To: iconoclast (#0)
But they have permanently alienated the following: Blacks, Latinos, the young, the educated, gays, urban livers, upscale suburbs and independents. What do they have left? Old white people in small towns.
#5. To: iconoclast (#0)
#6. To: scrapper2 (#4)
This essay was written by the stereotypical smug sanctimonious progressive who thinks his poop doesn't smell because he votes for the superior minded political party - tahdah - the D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C P-A-R-T-Y, when in fact the only reason he votes for the Dems is because that party promises him enhanced levels of entitlements due to higher taxes of the "the rich" and this satisfies his social-economic class envy.
#7. To: Beendigen Sie die Kommunisten (#2)
#8. To: randge (#7)
#9. To: Beendigen Sie die Kommunisten (#8)
#10. To: randge (#9)
#11. To: Beendigen Sie die Kommunisten (#2)
Sie kontrollieren beide Flügel die Globalist Partei.
#12. To: TwentyTwelve (#11)
#13. To: christine (#6)
This essay was written by the stereotypical smug sanctimonious progressive who thinks his poop doesn't smell because he votes for the superior minded political party - tahdah - the D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C P-A-R-T-Y, when in fact the only reason he votes for the Dems is because that party promises him enhanced levels of entitlements due to higher taxes of the "the rich" and this satisfies his social-economic class envy.
#14. To: iconoclast (#0)
I certainly hope they win out, because it will guarantee they will never get close to power ever, ever again.
#15. To: iconoclast (#0)
(Edited)
#16. To: iconoclast (#0)
The so-called rebirth of the Republican Party
#17. To: iconoclast (#0)
#18. To: scrapper2 (#4)
This essay was written by the stereotypical smug sanctimonious progressive who thinks his poop doesn't smell because he votes for the superior minded political party - tahdah - the D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C P-A-R-T-Y..
#19. To: Jhoffa_ (#15)
#20. To: iconoclast (#0)
Great post.
#21. To: scrapper2 (#19)
But I think it's more than even what you describe as being flaws in the GOPer platform that dooms its rebirth. I think the change in the electorate - masses of Third World immigrants - will require that the GOP move steadily leftward and be a pale reflection of the Dem Party.
#22. To: scrapper2 (#4)
these are the dem voters all right..."the educated, the urban livers"...sheesh...and GOP voters are urban stomachs?...educated Dems my foot - the appropriate descriptor should have been urban "dwellers", moron...
#23. To: scrapper2 (#13)
a scholarship tainted by urban GOPer stomachs
#24. To: christine (#14)
(Edited)
i wouldn't count on that. in 8 yrs
#25. To: iconoclast (#22)
YOUNG voters
#26. To: scrapper2 (#4)
paid for by the higher taxesLet's cut to the chase. This essay was written by the stereotypical smug sanctimonious progressive who thinks his poop doesn't smell because he votes for the superior minded political party - tahdah - the D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C P-A-R-T-Y, when in fact the only reason he votes for the Dems is because that party promises him enhanced levels of entitlements due to higher taxes of the "the rich" and this satisfies his social-economic class envy.
#27. To: Jhoffa_ (#15)
He's right about one thing, though.. The message is the problem. All "conservative" candidates try to do nowadays is claim the mantle of Reagan. Reagan this and Reagan that.. Reagan, Reagan, Reagan.. It's all you hear. They see this as a formula of some kind.
#28. To: noone222 (#16)
The so-called rebirth of the Republican Party
#29. To: scrapper2 (#19)
the GOP (will) move steadily leftward and be a pale reflection of the Dem Party
#30. To: LACUMO (#26)
(Edited)
#31. To: LACUMO, scrapper2 (#26)
#32. To: iconoclast (#27)
The Pubbbies now more closely resemble Bonzo ...
#33. To: LACUMO (#26)
#34. To: christine (#14)
i wouldn't count on that. in 8 yrs, if the country still exists, and after the rubes have had it with the democrats, the republicans will be installed again. i wouldn't be surprised if it's another bush. let's see now. that gives the democrats and clintons 16 years to groom chelsea.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#35. To: christine (#20)
your attempt to stir us up has failed.
#36. To: iconoclast (#27)
(Edited)
...it's bedtime for them.
#37. To: iconoclast (#29)
(Edited)
scrapper: the GOP (will) move steadily leftward and be a pale reflection of the Dem Party
#38. To: Jhoffa_ (#21)
Perhaps a chance to educate along the way.
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#25)
Kids who think
#40. To: iconoclast (#38)
#41. To: LACUMO (#26)
Don't you love what the pubbies and bush have done to our country over the last 7 plus years?
#42. To: scrapper2 (#37)
Both parties are militarist, that's a given. Both parties are beholden to their respective, often cross-over, lobby groups, another given.
#43. To: Jhoffa_ (#36)
PS: The democrat party should be careful making assumptions like this. Remember how they lost Congress?
#44. To: christine (#31)
how many times does scrapper have to post that she is a paleoconservative who shuns the neocon-neolib ISRAEL FIRSTERS of both parties and is/was a Ron Paul supporter before you'll stop accusing her of being a pubbiebot?
#45. To: scrapper2 (#37)
Limousine Liberal
#46. To: scrapper2 (#37)
Both parties have become more similar than dis-similar except for their taxation policies.
#47. To: iconoclast (#45)
The biggest limousine you've ever imagined has been more that buried under $7,000,000,000. The final(?) debacle of the Bush administration. God will it.
#48. To: christine (#42)
Both parties are militarist, that's a given.
#49. To: iconoclast (#48)
The Democrats are internationalists. The Republicans are interventionists.
#50. To: LACUMO, christine, scrapper2, All (#44)
Her postings almost always blame the demonwits for all that is wrong with our country and government
#51. To: iconoclast (#50)
her name is legion.
#52. To: randge (#49)
The Democrats are internationalists. The Republicans are interventionists.
#53. To: iconoclast (#46)
You diehards persist in missing the point.
#54. To: scrapper2 (#51)
What a small world of navel gazing, panty pissers you must hang with
#55. To: iconoclast (#48)
The Democrats learned their lesson from the Vietnam war.
#56. To: iconoclast (#54)
Bang on!
#57. To: LACUMO (#47)
Many claim to be beyond the two parties but through their writings, they show their true selves.
#58. To: scrapper2, All (#53)
Speak for yourself when you refer to "diehards." That you don't see that the elitist Plutarchs run BOTH the GOP AND the Dems demonstrates how blind you are.
#59. To: scrapper2 (#56)
Oh really? 4um is your posting home? Righhhhttttt...
#60. To: iconoclast (#0)
(Edited)
We need a large government to oversee an increasingly complex global economy.
#61. To: All (#59)
I have a life.
#62. To: PnbC (#60)
Ron Paul's candidacy must have positively terrified you.
#63. To: iconoclast (#58)
(Edited)
I find it revealing that both parties ante'd up $7,000,000,000 to the striped pants boys with hardly a whimper but the Dims now are going through a charade of bloodying up the obtuse auto execs to show their toughness.
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#64. To: Elliott Jackalope (#63)
And that would leave you to vote for leftist scum (my how you hate that word) or some obscure 3rd party candidate who hasn't a chance. You trudging off to the polls to change America = a very, very large waste of time, effort and gas.
It will be a very cold day in Hell before I personally cast a single vote for anyone on the Republican ticket ever again for as long as I live.
#65. To: iconoclast (#62)
It was a comment on Mekons5's article. I thought him one of the good guys, but if he is going to defend leviathan government then again, I say RP's candidacy must have terrified him.
DEATH TO THE GOP!
#66. To: Jethro Tull (#64)
So I take it you support the GOP? I'm curious, how can anyone support that party at this point? Oh, and just calling the Democrats "leftist scum" is a pretty empty statement, considering the recent history of such "Democratic" leaders as Bill Clinton, who for all intents and purposes was a Republican in Democrat's clothing. Let me guess, you're of the opinion that "leftists" are just generically bad, period? Anyone to the left of Mussolini is inherently wrong? Is that it? So I guess we should get rid of child labor laws, public education and the 40-hour workweek, right? After all, those were all things that got promoted by those "leftist scum" you so deeply hate. But you know what? All of this is moot anyways. America is gutted, all that's left is an empty carcass that hasn't stopped twitching and flopping yet. Our industrial base is gone. We don't have any tooling left. We quite literally do not have the technology to be able to put together an assembly line to produce a television that anyone in their right mind would want to purchase. Everything for sale here that's worth buying is either made in China or Japan. It's over. We're all yelling and screaming and shouting and fighting on the decks of a burning ship that's sinking fast. America is toast. It's done. It's dead. Deal with it. The "free traders" did their work, and now we are utterly destroyed. We'll all be living in shantytowns and tent cities within the next three years, mark my words. And if you think the battles between people are vicious now, wait until they're killing each other over a can of beans or a pair of socks. It won't be heated words on a computer screen, it will be tire irons embedded in skulls. We are doomed.
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#67. To: iconoclast (#52)
Which might be a distinction with a difference if they served different masters. It is a very real distinction. Damn, that dastardly "man behind the curtain" peeks out again and all sensibility goes poof again Enlighten me. I'm always eager to learn new things.
The Democrats are internationalists. The Republicans are interventionists.
#68. To: Elliott Jackalope (#66)
Unlike you, I don't participate in the voting scam, so no I'm not an R, nor a D. Cram that up your butt. And yes, there is a political left. The Ds are steeped in it as are the Rs. What is it? HUGE, FUCKING GOVERNMENT. So, unless you tossed your vote to some obscure 3rd party candidate you VOTED FOR THE POLITICAL LEFT. Congratulations, you political illiterate goofball. PS: I got the idea for the CAPS from your RANTS!
So I take it you support the GOP?
#69. To: Beendigen Sie die Kommunisten (#2)
They control both wings the global ware party. Yes.
Sie kontrollieren beide Flügel die Globalist Partei.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#70. To: Jethro Tull (#64)
It will be a very cold day in Hell before I personally cast a single vote for anyone on the Republican or Democratic ticket ever again for as long as I live. Both of these parties have been taken over by the joos and NWO gurus. Both have had their hand in destroying our country. Hopefully, the pubbie party has finally destroyed itself and Obanger will do the same to the demonwit party and do it in only 4 years. Then maybe enough sheeple will get with the program and realize they have been had and will revolt. The following was found at the Wickipedia site for Pittsburgh Pa. Let us hope the present pubbie party has been destroyed by bush never to rebound and never to return. Note: From the American Civil War to the 1930s, Pittsburgh was a Republican stronghold. Democratic candidates have been elected consecutively to either the mayor's office or city council since 1933, when David L. Lawrence was able to lead the party to power due to the alleged corruption and fraction of the Pittsburgh Republican Party and the election of President Roosevelt whose New Deal began the recovery from the Great Depression, by which the workers of Pittsburgh were especially hard hit.[73] Today, the ratio of Democratic to Republican registrations within the city limits is 5 to 1. Now if only Pittsburgh can get rid of the demonwitic party as well!!!!
It will be a very cold day in Hell before I personally cast a single vote for anyone on the Republican ticket ever again for as long as I live
#71. To: christine (#20)
Ain't that the truth!
you'll not find anyone attempting to defend the republicans.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#72. To: Jethro Tull (#68)
I fully understand why people choose to not vote in rigged elections, believe me, I know that feeling well. And I won't say you are not justified in feeling that way either. In this last election I was mainly compelled to do whatever it was that I could do to punish the GOP in the only way I'm allowed to, because I have developed a deep and profound hate for that party. Once again, it all doesn't matter anyways, because America is totally gutted and utterly doomed. Three years, folks. That's how long you have at this point. We don't have any TOOLING left. Got it? The "free traders" have shipped it all overseas to China in their insane pursuit of "profits uber alles". Within three years the majority of the population will be homeless and hungry. The upcoming debacle will drive a lot of people out of their minds, and there is going to be a lot of suffering and a lot of death. Enjoy your Christmas, it's going to be the last one most of us will live to see that will look anything like what we've come to expect over the last few decades.
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#73. To: Elliott Jackalope (#72)
Elliott, I apologize for losing my temper. Bad moment here....Ill discuss this rationally when things normalize here. We're not far apart politically, if at all.
#74. To: Jethro Tull (#57)
Guess this fits you pretty well jethro. Your criticism of Ron Paul shows your lack of commitment to getting our country back on track. Geeze, you hate the pubbies, hate Obanger, and hate Ron Paul. This worries me. Since you don't have a favorite party and you are engrossed in politics up to your eyeballs, I'm afraid you might lose it and do yourself bodily harm. You're all over the place in your thinking!
Many claim to be beyond the two parties but through their writings, they show their true selves.
#75. To: Jethro Tull (#73)
No worries, believe me I understand. This last election was hard on us all. I still can't believe a cipher like Obama got elected to the presidency. Good grief... what has he actually DONE? I mean, besides repeating "Hope" "Change" "Hope" "Change" "Hope" "Change" ten thousand times. Hey, how about I hope for a change and ask for some SUBSTANCE from a candidate for the PRESIDENCY? And now he's appointing hundreds of Clinton's old cronies. Good grief. At this point we might as well have elected Hillary. Hillary NAFTA GATT IRAQ Clinton. Just makes me want to scream. We are sooooo screwed.
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#76. To: Elliott Jackalope, JT, all (#75)
Bottom-line for most here.
This last election was hard on us all. I still can't believe a cipher like Obama got elected to the presidency. Good grief... what has he actually DONE? I mean, besides repeating "Hope" "Change" "Hope" "Change" "Hope" "Change" ten thousand times. Hey, how about I hope for a change and ask for some SUBSTANCE from a candidate for the PRESIDENCY? And now he's appointing hundreds of Clinton's old cronies. Good grief. At this point we might as well have elected Hillary. Hillary NAFTA GATT IRAQ Clinton. Just makes me want to scream. We are sooooo screwed.
#77. To: iconoclast (#0)
Uhhh...thanks but no thanks. They are dead to me.
rightward people are thinking about rebuilding the party.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
#78. To: Hayek Fan (#77)
EXACTLY how I feel. It will be a very very VERY cold day in Hell before I ever vote for anyone on the GOP ticket ever again. Ever. I could live to be 150 years old, it won't matter. I won't ever forget the utterly horrible George W. Bush administration.
Uhhh...thanks but no thanks. They (the GOP) are dead to me.
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#79. To: Elliott Jackalope (#78)
The only way I will vote for anyone in the GOP is if Dr. Paul runs again. This election cycle I voted for Baldwin for President and Libertarian for everything else. In the races that only had republicrat and democan candidates, I left the ballot blank. I won't even vote for them for dogcatcher.
EXACTLY how I feel. It will be a very very VERY cold day in Hell before I ever vote for anyone on the GOP ticket ever again. Ever. I could live to be 150 years old, it won't matter. I won't ever forget the utterly horrible George W. Bush administration.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
#80. To: LACUMO (#74)
JT doesn't hate Ron Paul. he does hate republican politicians and the republican party (as do i), ergo, he has a problem with Ron Paul's declaration, "i'm a republican and i'll always be a republican." since you share our disdain for the republican party, do you find RP's devotion to it troublesome?
#81. To: iconoclast (#28)
Great response !
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
#82. To: Elliott Jackalope (#63)
Not to be fussy or anything, but the good folks at CNBC are reporting the actual number at $4,300,000,000,000 (four TRILLION three hundred billion), as of a couple of weeks ago.
You slipped two digits. It's not $7,000,000,000 (seven billion), it's $700,000,000,000 (seven HUNDRED billion).
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#83. To: Esso (#82)
Ummm.... eeep? These are numbers so huge they render the term "astronomical" obsolete. Keep in mind that the total number of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy is generally considered to be somewhere around 100 billion to 200 billion. The number you quoted works out to over twenty to as many as 40 or more US dollars for every single star in our galaxy. We are so utterly screwed.
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#84. To: christine (#80)
I do not find Ron Paul's staying in the pubbie party troublesome whatsoever. If he would have refused to run for re-election as a pubbie, he wouldn't still be a congressman. That would be a blow to those of us who hold the two parties in disgust because Ron Paul continues to be a true and real patriot speaking out about the problems facing our country because so many of us have been hoodwinked and abused by the two parties responsible for our demise. I never voted for a pubbie or a demonwit because they were running on one of those two parties banners. I vote for the man, or woman that best supports our Constitution and has a track record that proves it. Show me another congressman or woman who can hold a candle to Ron Paul when it comes to integrity and devotion to governing by following our Constitution? I doubt if you can and if anyone comes close to Ron's principled past when voting for or against legislation. I might draw the line if he was registered communist or fascist party. I don't pretend to be smarter than anyone else on here. I do know that neither one of thetwo main parties do not have the average citizens best interests at heart. I do believe Ron Paul did and still does. Ron Paul is smart enough to know that the only way he can communicate his ideals, and they are very patriotic, is by having a venue to at least be able to express them and sometimes get them out into the mainstream media. To have not run for re-election to his congressional seat would have ended his chance to continue to address our country's problems as an insider. Apparently that would have been ok with you and Jethro and many others. He had to continue to the conclusion of the election. To be honest with you and many others, Ron Paul, I believe was our very very very last chance to turn this country back to a God fearing Constitutional Republic. When he passes and no longer is a congressman, there will not be another like him in my lifetime and many of your lifetimes as well. The closest person to governing like Ron Paul was congressman Jim Trafficant and look what they have done to him. We are the ones who let Ron Paul down. I never said he was the smartest, the richest, the most handsome, nor the best campaigner. His election was doomed from the start, not because of his message, not because of the lack of money, not because of being marginalized by the media, but in spite of it because we the people (sheeple) let him down. In fact, we've been letting the best politicans down for at least the past 40 years or more. Instead of criticising Ron Paul we should be looking in a mirror at those that are to blame and that is each and everyone of us that has lost our backbone and allowed ourselves to be hoodwinked and dumbed down. I didn't do enough myself and accept my share of the blame.
he has a problem with Ron Paul's declaration, "i'm a republican and i'll always be a republican." since you share our disdain for the republican party, do you find RP's devotion to it troublesome?
#85. To: christine (#80)
Yes I do. Reminded me too much of McClintock. I lost respect for him when he supported Arnold. I expected these men to be principle over party and they weren't.
do you find RP's devotion to it troublesome?
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#86. To: LACUMO, christine (#84)
Instead of criticising Ron Paul we should be looking in a mirror at those that are to blame and that is each and everyone of us that has lost our backbone and allowed ourselves to be hoodwinked and dumbed down. I didn't do enough myself and accept my share of the blame. The vote was rigged. That is not our fault. Only our fault if we allow it to continue. As long as people put party over principle things will never change.
We are the ones who let Ron Paul down. I never said he was the smartest, the richest, the most handsome, nor the best campaigner. His election was doomed from the start, not because of his message, not because of the lack of money, not because of being marginalized by the media, but in spite of it because we the people (sheeple) let him down. In fact, we've been letting the best politicans down for at least the past 40 years or more.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#87. To: farmfriend, christine, jethro tull (#86)
Well it was rigged in Florida in 2000, not that gore would have been any better, and we did nothing. Then it was rigged in Ohio in 2004. That certainly was our fault because we allowed it to happen again after the 2000 election. Now it has happened again, but the two wings of our one party got a little smarter. Instead of rigging the votes, they put up candidates they could live with and we lost just the same. Nobody spoke up forcefully when Ron Paul and others were marginalized by the MSM. We should have tore up the television networks for the part they played in manipulating the debates and news coverage of the entire campaign. The joos in control are still in control. ..and all you self proclaimed Ron Paul supporters who abandoned him before and after the election, we wouldn't have heard one frigging word outta your mouths if Ron Paul would have won the pubbie nomination. And that is a fact you can't deny! As I said, we let him down!!!!
The vote was rigged. That is not our fault. Only our fault if we allow it to continue. As long as people put party over principle things will never change.
#88. To: LACUMO (#87)
That includes RP himself. The
last 'debate' on CNN was a disgrace. Blitzer treated him like a red-headed
step child and gentleman Ron took it like a man (read; he kept a cork in his
mouth). The very least he should have done is bring attention to the time
inequity Blitzer gave the candidates. And please tell me again why he remains
in the Wide-Stance Party?
Nobody spoke up forcefully when Ron Paul and others were
marginalized by the MSM.
#89. To: LACUMO (#87)
Ron Paul said not one word in his own defense when McKooK demeaned him on national TV. That was the indication that Paul had not the stomach for politics.
Nobody spoke up forcefully when Ron Paul and others were marginalized by the MSM
#90. To: Esso (#82)
?
Not to be fussy or anything, but the good folks at CNBC are reporting the actual number at $4,300,000,000,000 (four TRILLION three hundred billion), as of a couple of weeks ago.
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
#91. To: Jethro Tull (#5)
LOL!!!!
Authored by Mekons5, and read by Mekons6, Mekons7 and Mekons8
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#92. To: christine (#14)
Last time I saw her it looked like it would take all of that.
that gives the democrats and clintons 16 years to groom chelsea.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#93. To: Jhoffa_ (#90)
The $700 billion figure commonly quoted is only the TARP funds (i.e. direct payments to Tel Aviv). That doesn't include the bank purchases, liquidity injections or the other various & sundry bullshit/nonsense. Somebody posted a link to a CNBC story that had a total breakdown of the payments the other day. $4T+ so far.
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Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#94. To: LACUMO (#87) (Edited)
suuuure. that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but i will tell you that it's erroneous. we'll just have to agree to disagree on who let who down. my husband and i have supported Ron Paul and his Liberty Caucus since 2000. we attended several of his fundraisers and donated hundreds of dollars over the years. during his presidential campaign, we attended more fundraising events, passed out hundreds of bumperstickers, cards, and flyers, and donated more than $2000 to his campaign via the money bombs. AND 4um was an active and enthusiastic board for Ron Paul! don't tell me i let Ron Paul down. he let us down when he declined to address the vote fraud in the NH primary. not only did he not pursue investigation of it, but he actually said that it didn't happen. imo, his illumination of the vote fraud (and i believe his leadership would have galvanized massive support) was the most important thing Ron Paul could have done for us. afterall, without legitimate elections, we have nothing.
have heard one frigging word outta your mouths if Ron Paul would have won the pubbie nomination.
#95. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
You cheered him on when he was running as a pubbie in the primarys. That makes you a hypocrit. I am not defending the pubbie party. The party is anti-American as is the demonwit party. Ron Paul was far and above the best candidate running. !!!!!!!
..and all you self proclaimed Ron Paul supporters who abandoned him before and after the election, we wouldn't have heard one frigging word outta your mouths if Ron Paul would have won the pubbie nomination. And that is a fact you can't deny!
#96. To: Esso (#93)
OMG.. They're looting the ship before it slips beneath the waves.
Somebody posted a link to a CNBC story that had a total breakdown of the payments the other day. $4T+ so far
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
#97. To: Esso (#93) (Edited)
PS: But fear not! King Barak is going to BUY US ALL A JOB with FREE government money! Oh boy! OH BOY!
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
#98. To: christine (#94)
I know you were at different functions attended by Ron Paul. Why did you not speak up at one of them and tell him the prudent thing would have been to speak up about the media abuse and bias. Oh, I guess you wouldn't be allowed to speak to him! Maybe the whole Ron Paul campaign was hijacked from the beginning because a lot of folks acted like he was the nominee before any votes were cast. Maybe the money bombs, the limo, the USA Today add, and the blimp were diversions planted by the news media and the pubbie party thru someone who infiltrated his campaign. Hell, I can remember many on this very forum ready to crucify him because he didn't name a runningmate. Surely someone who supported him had enough experience to point out the pitfalls in the way his campaign was being run and to tell him to speak out about the media snubbing. The real truth is now coming out and one can see how shallow the support for Ron Paul really was. As they say, hindsight is always 20/20. I'd like to add that figures don't lie, but liars figure. Nobody complained one word, including you, christine, when he was running as a republican. Now he is regarded as an old piece of over-the-hill lousy inept pubbie politican. Shameful to say the least. We definitely don't deserve him and we got what we deserve in obanger just as we got what we deserved with commrade bush.
don't tell me i let Ron Paul down. he let us down when he declined to address the vote fraud in the NH primary.
#99. To: LACUMO (#95)
I cheered him on? BS. I gave him money, but I left this board for more than a month (so as not to rain on your parade) because I KNEW He'd DISAPPOINT, JUST AS PEROT & BUCHANAN did. And guess what LACAUMO? I was right. He flat out quit, not b/c he was broke or lacked support, but b/c he is a g'damn Republican and refused to leave the WIDE STANCE PARTY. Right now he is as useless as tits on a bull sitting in the House. Please tap me on the shoulder when he offers up the next "GET OUT OF THE UN NOW" amendment so I can LMAO. There was never a better time to lead a 3rd party effort and he bailed on those who gave him their all. So please get a grip and get past the Ron Paul 'movement.' It crashed and burnt six months ago.
You cheered him on when he was running as a pubbie in the primarys. That makes you a hypocrit.
#100. To: Jethro Tull (#99)
So why did you give him money if you knew he would go the way of PPerot and Buchanan? I'm not calling you dumb or anything, but to give money to a candidate knowing their campaign is doomed from the get-go just seems mighty strange. I guess it would be like buying a pig in a poke.
I cheered him on? BS. I gave him money, but I left this board for more than a month (so as not to rain on your parade) because I KNEW He'd DISAPPOINT, JUST AS PEROT & BUCHANAN did.
#101. To: LACUMO (#100)
I gave b/c I prayed to god he'd get fed up w/the Rs and lead an independent movement. Had he, I'm sure he would have gotten 8-10% of the vote at a bare minimum. That would have positioned us for ballot access and federal matching funds in '12. The stars were in alignment this year like never before.
So why did you give him money if you knew he would go the way of PPerot and Buchanan?
#102. To: Jethro Tull (#101)
Ok! I never heard you espouse that before. Guess your prayers went unanswered. I don't know where we go from here. I personally will never get involved again. The Ron Paul campaign was my last one. In fact, I won't be cheering on anyone else unless Jim Trafficant gets back into politics.
I gave b/c I prayed to god he'd get fed up w/the Rs and lead an independent movement.
#103. To: LACUMO (#98) (Edited)
That was me. Somehow I do not think you have ever thought this thing through. Paul like McKooK is and OLD man. McKooK FINALLY named a running partner and without naming a younger female, Obama would have had a landslide. In politics 2 plus 2 is not always 4. You need to broaden your thinking as presently it is too narrow with blinders.
Hell, I can remember many on this very forum ready to crucify him because he didn't name a runningmate.
#104. To: Cynicom (#103)
Thank iou doctor! I didn't know that you were so intelligent and have a PhD in mindless jibberish and that you are qualified to render mindless observations. Do I owe you a doctor's fee for this dribble?
You need to broaden your thinking as presently it is too narrow with blinders.
#105. To: LACUMO, All (#104)
Lacumo... When indulging in any civil discussion or debate, the first evidence of a person having an intellectually empty quiver, is when they turn to a childish attack mode. There is no fee for this observation. Everyone with interest has read it and most will reach the same conclusion. While following this thread without comment, I must say, that to a casual observer your posts are a bit confusing.
#106. To: Cynicom, All (#105) (Edited)
Well let me unconfuse you and set you straight. By the way, you aren't gay are you? That would make it harder to set you straight. Let us look back and we see that Ron Paul started his campaign on a shoe string in more ways than monetarily. He did not have the party behind him. He did not have big money behind him. He did not have a proven campaign manager behind him. When you don't have these things behind your campaign, you are an outsider, a maverick, as sarah what's her face said she and mcnutz were. When you are an outsider or maverick, you are hard to control and become someone to be afraid of. The PTB were afraid of Ron Paul. The PTB had to destroy Ron Paul and dash the hopes of those of us who claimed to be supporters. Some of us really were staunch supporters and some just jumped on the bandwagon for a short ride. As soon as the first fart in the wind came along, many jumped off the wagon or were blown off. None of us knows what really happened up or down in Paul's campaign. Some think he or his family were threatened just because of his candidacy. That could very well have happened. We know that Perot was threatened and the story about wrecking his daughter's wedding was just a cover. Somebody said he was probably shown the Kennedy assanation photos. That sounds more plausible. But don't let me get side tracked here. Ron Paul is only human and humans make mistakes. Some of you claim you don't but you sure are quick to point out others mistakes. Ron Paul came right out after the PTB from the get-go. He lambasted everything from the economy, the illegal wars, the illegal immigration, the income tax, and the federal reserve. He bacame the number one thorn in the sides of the PTB. He had to be stopped and he was. Not only did the PTB margimalize him thru the jooish media, but they planted the seeds of doubt in many Paul supporters, some of those seeds were even here on Freedom4um. Then there were those who thought the waltz to the nomination would be a cake walk. The phoney, blimp shit the phoney limo shit were a sign of arrogance. You never win the game until the game is played. Finally, I can assure you that my support for Ron Paul was based on his record as a congressman and his stature as a true patriot and statesman. He was without a doubt, the best candidate running. He has some flaws and weaknesses as do all of us, but he definitely was heads and shoulders above all the other candidates. It matters not what party he ran under, along side or with. His character is what made him the person who he was and will always be.Those of you who cannot get over him running as a republican or even staying in the republican party, I feel sorry for. It has been said that one should stay close to his friends, but keep his enemies closer, and I beleive Ron Paul is doing just that by staying in the republican party. At least in this election, he certainly wouldn't have been re-elected if he ran a a third party candidate. Not one single candidate running as a third party candidate got elected to national office. Ron Paul knew the fight it would be when he pledged to run. He gave it his best shot and left the rest up to us. Apparently it just wasn't to be. It saddens me deeply how many are now willing to smear Ron Paul when just a few short months ago, we were hailing him as the best thing to come along since chopped liver and cream cheese. If any of you patriots think Ron Paul let you down, just try and find another candidate down the road that you willingly will support all the way to the whitehouse. And if you do, that candidate just might be the anti-christ.
While following this thread without comment, I must say, that to a casual observer your posts are a bit confusing.
#107. To: LACUMO (#106)
Lac... I prefer brief and to the point, no diatribes or ranting. I wont read it.
#108. To: Cynicom (#107)
Then don't read it and show your ignorance. Shows us all just who you really are. I guess I over shot your intelligence as I usually do. No need to respond to this. I wouldn't want to tax your mind.
I prefer brief and to the point, no diatribes or ranting. I wont read it.
#109. To: LACUMO (#108)
Lac... Like I said, I prefer short and to the point posts rather than diatribes. Ignorance???? Been accused of that many times, called stupid often, mostly by people that do not function well in open society.
No need to respond to this. I wouldn't want to tax your mind.
#110. To: Hayek Fan (#77)
I agree on that completely (and have expressed the same sentiment repeatedly). I do not agree with all of what Mekon had to say but rather posted his remarks to stimulate discussion .... and it appears to have worked. There have been some thoughful points sprinkled into the usual amount of knee-jerk anger and for that I am pleased. The R party came into power and proceeded to hit the power bottle like college freshmen discovering cheap booze. No more power-holics! Conservatives deserve a conservative party. I would rather have a principled counterbalance than a Tweedledum bunch.
Uhhh...thanks but no thanks. They are dead to me.
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#111. To: LACUMO (#84)
Actually I think the smug, snickering, smirking phonies he shared(?) the debate stages with had perhaps more effect than the media per se. A lot more average Joe's watch the debates than stuff themselves with daily political coverage, as we do. God bless Dr. Paul. He too had massive support from young people. They rejected the shameful status quo. Could it be that they will provide ultimate political salvation? Not to set anyone off, but hope springs eternal.
His election was doomed from the start, not because of his message, not because of the lack of money, not because of being marginalized by the media ....
BULLETIN! The election is over. We're up to our armpits in Bushshit. Howsbout we declare a moratorium on partisan sniping and address the crises that America faces? Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#112. To: PnbC (#65)
Forest/trees. I'd guess it was "four more years" that terrified him and millions of others.
I say RP's candidacy must have terrified him
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#113. To: randge (#67)
Internationalists, at their best work for foreign conciliation. Interventionists at their "best" make up reasons for going to war. IMO, Clinton's Kosovo venture was to distract from his sick proclivities, plain and simple.
I say RP's candidacy must have terrified him
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#114. To: LACUMO (#74) (Edited)
I don't fault Ron Paul for staying in the Republican party, or if he were a Democrat. His message and views are still the same, and his votes are the same. He's just smart enough to realize that running as a third party candidate is a one way ticket to invisibility in the mass media and a lost election. I don't see what RP's critics think he'd accomplish by leaving the GOP, losing his Congressional seat, and getting even less media coverage than he had as a Republican. If Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian for Congress, he would lose his own district, because most voters go for R or D, not for a candidate and his views. The people who voted for Ron Paul as a Republican would not vote for him as a Libertarian, because they've been conditioned to think that anything but R or D is a wasted vote. And if the Republicans ran a resurrected Karl Marx against a Libertarian candidate like Ron Paul, the yellow dog Republicans would vote for Karl Marx. It's a sad fact, but that's the way it is.
#115. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#114) (Edited)
My sentiments exactly and exactly what I tried to get across to the bushbots/pubbiebots and demonwits/obangerbots. The only difference between your take on it and my take on it is you have a much better way of explaining it. I get so damn mad at those who claim they are patriotic voters and pull the D or R shit when in the voting booth.
If Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian for Congress, he would lose his own district, because most voters go for R or D, not for a candidate and his views. The people who voted for Ron Paul as a Republican would not vote for him as a Libertarian, because they've been conditioned to think that anything but R or D is a wasted vote. And if the Republicans ran a resurrected Karl Marx against a Libertarian candidate like Ron Paul, the yellow dog Republicans would vote for Karl Marx. It's a sad fact, but that's the way it is.
#116. To: scrapper2 (#37)
Here's a saddening bulletin for yuh .... 43's already taken care of that. Y'all must just love the smell of fresh ink arising from the Treasury printing presses in the morning. Settle back, Pour a cup of coffee and watch what sector of the economy gets Socialized today.
So all voters are left to vote for is being taxed more today as opposed to having their children taxed more tomorrow.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#117. To: Jethro Tull (#55)
Clinton was/is a triangulating pervert who would have done just about anything to divert attention from his perversion. Here's the closing comment from my recent letter to the editor here in flyover country. "At the moment I have only two disappointments arising from the election. The Clintons appear destined to haunt us like the political vampires that they are and the Republicans did not suffer the landslide defeat that they so richly deserved".
Is that why Clinton bombed an innocent Serbia for 78 days from 30,000 feet?
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#118. To: Jethro Tull (#68)
How's that workin for yuh?
I don't participate in the voting scam
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#119. To: Hayek Fan (#77)
Uhhh...thanks but no thanks. They are dead to me. Same here.
rightward people are thinking about rebuilding the party.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#120. To: iconoclast, Jethro Tull (#118)
How's that workin for yuh? I don't participate in any "federal" scams ... and it's working fine.
I don't participate in the voting scam
They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !
#121. To: Elliott Jackalope (#63)
My bad. I was so intent on getting the ending zeroes correct that I messed up the leading ones. I'm having difficulty adjusting to the brave new billion/trillion world.
You slipped two digits. It's not $7,000,000,000 (seven billion), it's $700,000,000,000 (seven HUNDRED billion).
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#122. To: iconoclast (#118)
It's working great for me. To be a man who isn't still part of a voting scam is quite liberating. I'd suggest you try it, but you fail on the 'man' part of the equation.
How's that workin for yuh?
#123. To: noone222 (#120)
Some sheep seem to have lost their "shame" gene. I'd be in hiding if I openly supported socialism and Black liberation theology.
#124. To: christine (#20)
you'll not find anyone attempting to defend the republicans. I enjoyed an old Humphrey Bogart movie recently. My curiosity tickled, I Googled him. I loved this quote from him, "the trouble with the world is it's always one drink behind me". I feel this way about my relationship with my 4um friends. I say don't tolerate these phonies any longer, dispatch them to political limbo. your attempt to stir us up has failed. Alas, for both of us, I ain't gonna quit trying. ;-)
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
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