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Title: Debate on 4um censorship--Weigh In!
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Published: Jul 24, 2005
Author: Christine and Zipporah
Post Date: 2005-07-24 23:28:38 by christine
Keywords: censorship--Weigh, Debate
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Comments: 295
Because concerns by several members have been posted to us, both publically and privately, about the free speech "allowed" on 4um, we have decided to create three new categories. The primary hot button is that of the Israel/Jewish/Zionism topic. We do not wish to censor and we also do not wish to offend (in reality, unavoidable, as what
offends one may not offend another) anyone. With the availability of specific categories, each individual may eliminate an entire subject that he/she wishes not to view via his/her personal 'setup' page.
In the spirit of cooperation, and with the goal of working toward a satisfying and pleasant forum experience for everyone, we'd like to request that you avail yourselves of these specific category selections when posting your articles. The three new categories are:
Israel/Zionism
All is Vanity
Author! Author!
We hope that you all feel that this is an equitable solution.
Christine and Zipporah
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#1. To: christine (#0)
All is Vanity????? Author! Author??? what's this aboot???
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force you are ruined... The great object is that every man be armed... Everyone who is able may have a gun." -- Patrick Henry
Author! Author??? Author Author is for those who want to post things that they have written such as editorials..stories or things they've authored.. as opposed to editorials by other authors.. All is vanity is for personal posts..not like 4 play which are fun silly articles..
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
"All is Vanity" is for vanity/personal posts including blog screeds and "Author! Author!" is for the writers/journalists among us.
Much more clear Chris.. thanks!
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
"All is Vanity" - from a famous passage of Solomonic wisdom in Ecclesiastes. The catagory is for vanity posts that are personal or otherwise not pertaining to other issue catagories. "Author! Author!" is a special catagory dedicated to articles, columns, novel chapters, and other published writings by F4 posters themselves. That's the way I understand it, anyway.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
(not that I ever would...) Thank you all for the clarification - I need to get to bed as I start my new job tomorrow and for some reason I have insomnia..... go figure! gnith and tanks again! "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force you are ruined... The great object is that every man be armed... Everyone who is able may have a gun." -- Patrick Henry
(not that I ever would...) Thank you all for the clarification - I need to get to bed as I start my new job tomorrow and for some reason I have insomnia..... go figure! gnith and tanks again! HEY ... you can blog away .. One liners.. BUT good! :P
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
One liners.. BUT good! :P I ain't never blogged - how is it done??? and do I wanna know??? And I am so incoherent most days that I would confuse the general audience.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force you are ruined... The great object is that every man be armed... Everyone who is able may have a gun." -- Patrick Henry
I forgot to add.... BUT GOOD!
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force you are ruined... The great object is that every man be armed... Everyone who is able may have a gun." -- Patrick Henry
Zip's "Zaminin' Zionism" idea was so much better, I think. It had piZZaZZ. What do you think, CAPPS?
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
m indeed in favor of as much pizzazz as one can dish out! Do you like thick crust or thin??? ;0)
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force you are ruined... The great object is that every man be armed... Everyone who is able may have a gun." -- Patrick Henry
FYI
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A Bozo filter for subjects. Good idea. We are at the point where many Americans think the truth is offensive when applied to special groups. They think freedom of speech must be limited to accomodate these special groups. There is only one way of thinking acceptable to them- that which is defined by the special group and reinforced by the State. They believe that groups have rights and individuals have limited rights. They are conditioned to flip out when a special group is under fire. They are so conditioned that supporting Marxism is important to them. And now, the Reps sre as bad as the Dems. Reps now openly support cultural Marxism, diversity, multi culti and all the other BS. Thank you for providing a forum where we don't have to worry about the above.
FYI
Thank you for your comment.
let's start a catagory for who gets hauled off to the Gulog
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
The new Bozo filter may not be enough for the poster who called for censorship. He likes to control, and he wants noone to be able to post about his special group. He probably will not use the Bozo because he is driven to see the posts he wants to control. He acts like an agent of Israel, and feels a misplaced responsibility to defend Israel. Because he feels that Jews are oppressed by people like us in the 'aggressor' Marxist group. He is defending what he perceives to be the victim group, rooting for the underdog, so to speak.
FYI
Very kind and accommodating of you guys for those among us who cannot read words and ideas that may differ from our beliefs without suffering heart palpations; and then running, crying, to the forum owners for relief instead of simply moving on to the next topic that might interest them. Cheers, and thanks again for the most free forum on the internet.
Bingo! Some of these
gutless wonders think 'hate speech' is alive and well here in the states. What
a courageous few, eh? IMVHO, we're far better off without such cowards. I still
recall how some scattered when Mertz and Brian S were 'reported' to the nazi
SS. Sorry, time is growing short. It's time to toss the useless ones
overboard, especially those who use religion as a guise to censorship.
A little guy is sitting at the bar just staring at his drink for half an hour when this big trouble-making truck driver steps next to him, grabs his drink and gulps it down in one swig. The poor little guy starts crying. "Come on man. I was just giving you a hard time," the truck driver says. "I can't stand to see a man crying." "This is the worst day of my life," says the little guy between sobs. "I can't do anything right. I overslept and was late to an important meeting, so my boss fired me. When I went to the parking lot, I found my car was stolen and I don't have any insurance. I grabbed a cab home but, after the cab left, I discovered my wallet was still in the cab. At home I found my wife in bed with the gardener. So I came to this bar trying to work up the courage to put an end to my life, and then you show up and drink the damn poison."
i missed you two
LOL!!! Thanks for the hoot, Jim.
Bump My thoughts exactly In the immortal words of Devo: Freedom of choice Thanks for the ping. I always supported Israel and still do in theory, but have learned a lot of useful facts about Zionism. Don't censor anything!
(If you see flies at the entrance to the burrow, the ground hog is probably inside)
And, one for those who should be hung, or is that hunged? (Shortly after their trial or, is that after their short trial?)
we all know whom should be hunged
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
That's a good point. In my (humble) opinion and experience, Bayonne is exactly right. I would suggest watching for malcontents who are unsatisfied with the good faith effort you have made to find some middle ground between those who think these issues have merit and should be discussed and those who wish to see them quashed completely. In my mind, anyone who objected to being forced to view this kind of material should be thankful that you've voluntarily provided them an out. I think it was a very nice gesture on your behalf. It's commendable. Those who aren't satisfied with your (completely reasonable) solution likely just don't want the topic discussed at all, anywhere, by anyone at any time. Should they complain, IMO, you won't be able to placate these people and there's no use trying. They will attempt to force you into a position of having to choose between their patronage/participation and the content they disapprove of. If you don't side with them they will leave or threaten to leave in a very public manner and probably call you names. It's actually preferable to allow this, because should you concede, their demands will only increase and continue to increase until they are effectively controlling the direction of your forum, and your legitimate function would be reduced to some odd kind of proxy. FYI & IMVHO.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
It's such a shame these things don't happen more frequently in real life..
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
Yeah, I'm waiting for someone to call for a nanny bozo. This function will allow the forum nanny to see the posted article, but will bozo it for everyone else. I know of several people who lust after this function.
LOL ... how can you possibly know any of this? Thanks, Christine.
How did you know they were talking about you?
He doesn't.. any more than I do. However, it's a reasonable assumption based on past experience. It works like a slippery slope. Here's an example: First, it's the "anti-semitic" stuff that has to be banned.. Ostensibly because it's offensive and hurts the site. It's not a hot topic of mine, but I do read the occasional thread Then it's the "Kook" stuff. Again, the reason given is it hurts the site and taints everyone by association. Not a hot topic of mine either, but then again, why should I, you or anyone care if someone thinks we never landed on the moon? So what? Then it's "Bush Bashing" Once more it ostensibly hurts the place and makes us all look bad. It's "divisive" etc.. Then "Party bashing" "Catholic bashing" On and on.. Etc, etc, etc.. Well, that's sweet of you. It's nice to see that someone so opposed to this kind of content appreciates her effort. It's allot more than some people would do and I think she deserves a thanks.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
Is there any doubt?
Whatever ... I didn't appear here to start or finish a fight. Have a nice day, Jhoffa_, and thanks again, Chistine.
What are you talking about, Phaedrus? You and I have never corresponded privately and everything you have communicated regarding your feelings has been right on open forum! Ask Bayonne who he's referring to. I don't know. I can only assume just as you have!
No, no.. Don't get the wrong idea. It was a LEGITIMATE, no shit, compliment. I thought your thanking Christine was proper and very big of you under the circumstances. I just didn't want it to go unnoticed, that's all. You have a nice day also, Phaedrus
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
Trying to pay bills today and feeling like stealing the little guy's beverage myself... Does anything suck much harder than "Bill-Paying Day"? Gak.
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#2. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#1)
All is Vanity?????
#3. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#1)
#4. To: christine (#3)
"All is Vanity" is for vanity/personal posts including blog screeds and "Author! Author!" is for the writers/journalists among us.
#5. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#1)
#6. To: christine, Zipporah, Arator (#3)
Tanks a bunch - Can I post one line vanities???
#7. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#6)
Tanks a bunch - Can I post one line vanities???
#8. To: Zipporah (#7)
HEY ... you can blog away ..
#9. To: All (#8)
#10. To: christine, CAPPSMADNESS, Zipporah (#0)
"Israel/Zionism"
#11. To: Arator (#10)
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#21. To: christine (#0)
#22. To: Bayonne (#19)
The new Bozo filter may not be enough for the poster who called
for censorship. He likes to control
#23. To: Jethro Tull, all (#22)
email joke:
#24. To: Bayonne (#19)
#25. To: crack monkey, Axenolith (#0)
#26. To: lodwick (#23)
#27. To: lodwick, Christine, Dakmar (#21)
Very kind and accommodating of you guys for those among us who cannot read words and ideas that may differ from our beliefs without suffering heart palpations; and then running, crying, to the forum owners for relief instead of simply moving on to the next topic that might interest them.
Is what you got
Freedom from choice
Is what you want
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#28. To: christine (#16)
#29. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#18)
"et's start a catagory for who gets hauled off to the Gulog"
#30. To: wakeup (#29)
#31. To: Bayonne, Christine, Zipporah (#19)
The new Bozo filter may not be enough for the poster who called for censorship.
#32. To: lodwick (#23)
#33. To: Bayonne (#19)
The new Bozo filter may not be enough for the poster who called for censorship.
#34. To: Bayonne, christine (#19)
The new Bozo filter may not be enough for the poster who called for censorship. He likes to control, and he wants noone to be able to post about his special group. He probably will not use the Bozo because he is driven to see the posts he wants to control. He acts like an agent of Israel, and feels a misplaced responsibility to defend Israel. Because he feels that Jews are oppressed by people like us in the 'aggressor' Marxist group. He is defending what he perceives to be the victim group, rooting for the underdog, so to speak.
#35. To: Phaedrus (#34)
....how can you possibly know any of this?
#36. To: Phaedrus (#34)
LOL ... how can you possibly know any of this?
Thanks, Christine.
#37. To: crack monkey (#35)
How did you know they were talking about you?
#38. To: Jhoffa_, Christine (#36)
#39. To: Phaedrus (#34)
#40. To: Phaedrus (#38)
Whatever ... I didn't appear here to start or finish a fight.
#41. To: Jhoffa_ (#32)
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