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Title: Debate on 4um censorship--Weigh In!
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Published: Jul 24, 2005
Author: Christine and Zipporah
Post Date: 2005-07-24 23:28:38 by christine
Keywords: censorship--Weigh, Debate
Views: 3374
Comments: 295

Because concerns by several members have been posted to us, both publically and privately, about the free speech "allowed" on 4um, we have decided to create three new categories. The primary hot button is that of the Israel/Jewish/Zionism topic. We do not wish to censor and we also do not wish to offend (in reality, unavoidable, as what offends one may not offend another) anyone. With the availability of specific categories, each individual may eliminate an entire subject that he/she wishes not to view via his/her personal 'setup' page.

In the spirit of cooperation, and with the goal of working toward a satisfying and pleasant forum experience for everyone, we'd like to request that you avail yourselves of these specific category selections when posting your articles. The three new categories are:

Israel/Zionism

All is Vanity

Author! Author!

We hope that you all feel that this is an equitable solution.

Christine and Zipporah

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#233. To: Zipporah (#232)

I think the wheels are gonna come off when the sheeple see the effects of Depleted Uranium..I think that sh!t is gonna come home..

Lady X  posted on  2005-07-26   18:49:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#234. To: Lady X (#233)

I read an article .. I'll see if I can find it .. I didnt post it.. it is saying that the soldiers who've developed brain cancer.. is due to .. sarin gas exposure.. which of course probably not the case even within the article it was reported that cancer is not a side effect of sarin exposure.

"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."

Zipporah  posted on  2005-07-26   18:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#235. To: Zipporah (#234)

Actually I saw that.

But I think when people come back from Iraq they are 'contagious' so to speak.

Lady X  posted on  2005-07-26   19:00:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#236. To: Willie Green (#194)

Saddam was a malicious SOB who deserves to die, no matter what reason Dubya uses.

Well, given that argument, since most of Islam sees Bush as a madman, he likewise deserves to die in their eyes. And if they do manage to kill him, it's as justified as our capture and caging of Saddam. Right?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-07-26   19:18:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#237. To: christine (#217)

willie's another sharkfin--you know, kill all the GD "ragheads."

Sure seems so.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-07-26   19:22:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#238. To: christine (#228)

LOL! You too?

Actually, I give Willie higher marks than Sharkfin. He makes a coherent arguement and he get's his point across.

He's just a big grump, mostly.

"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-07-26   19:57:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#239. To: Lady X, zipporah, diana, willie green (#231)

That boy NEVER did anything to me or anyone else in the United States.

Lady X posted on 2005-07-26 18:44:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

According to neo con "logic", we had to kill him because he might become a terrorist one day. You know, the "better to fight them over there than over here".

As you may have noticed this justifies any killings anywhere. From Willie's comments, I suspect he is in agreement with this.

Of course, like all such logic, it only applies one way. For example to say that the Pentagon is not a legitimate target, and that the 9-11 attack was mass murder, yet the destruction of non combatants in Iraq is merely collaterial damage.

tom007  posted on  2005-07-26   20:04:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#240. To: 1776 (#132)

Of course the best idea, which is one I practice, is to put the entire rest of the forum on bozo and only read my own posts, this way I am always in agreement and nothing offends.

You obviously are biased towards your own opinions. Seek medical attention immediately.

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-07-26   21:38:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#241. To: Willie Green (#207)

I believe that such casualties were minimized, and were far fewer than the atrocities Saddam Hussein inflcted on his own people.

And don't foreget that Saddam Hussein is responsible for 94% of tooth decay. Wasn't that on Fox News as well?

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-07-26   21:42:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#242. To: gengis gandhi (#193)

demanding everyone else conform to your dictates is infantile and absurd.

Of course.

But having been around this scene a little while, any thinking person realizes that most forums are a grouping of like minded people.

NRA - people who support gun rights Free Republic - people who support conservatism and the various candidates Natural herb site - people who use nature to treat common problems

Now, I could go on but I think you get the point.

If someone was to go the NRA site and start promoting gun confiscation they would suffer your view of "fascist" treatment and rightfully so IMHO.

If someone was to go to Free Republic and start discussing how socialism would be the best thing since sliced bread. Then, guess what? Yes, they would suffer the same fascism you feel a victim of.

Look, I could go on but the reality of these forums is to share knowledge of events and things the group is interested in. A lot of it seems to be preaching to the choir but it is a great resource for those of us with similar philosophies.

The bottom line is the core members of this group are here because they feel our government no longer works for us. They also feel the constitution should be strictly followed. They don't believe in socialism and support the right own guns.

Now if you have a philosophy that differs greatly from the above then you will find conflict here. Because theses people (the core) have strong enough convictions that they will try to open the eyes of what we all view as sheep when their philosophy differs greatly or have bought into the government BS.

You may not like it but guess what, that's reality. Not a tough thing to grasp. But test it out....Got the Earth first forum and start a thread about how wonderful it would be to open up logging to be unlimited. I bet they will attack you in the same way you feel you are attacked here.

Sometimes a little reality slap is needed and this banter back and forth of the loons who seem to feel this site is something it is not got under my craw and felt like it they needed a little instruction.

The future is so bright I got to wear shades.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-07-27   5:29:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#243. To: Jhoffa_, Mr Nuke Buzzcut, 1776, Bayonne (#204)

Ping.....

The future is so bright I got to wear shades.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-07-27   5:32:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#244. To: Flintlock (#227)

ping..

The future is so bright I got to wear shades.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-07-27   5:41:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#245. To: Starwind (#63)

The Anti-Semitic Kooks are starting to make me miss BadEye.

AdamSelene  posted on  2005-07-27   14:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#246. To: AdamSelene (#245)

The Anti-Semitic Kooks are starting to make me miss BadEye.

Liberty Post -- it's only a click away.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi- bin/latestcomments.cgi

Take Starwind and Pheadrus with you.

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-07-27   16:35:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#247. To: AdamSelene (#245)

Go post on Clown Posse. You'll fit right in with your closed-mindedness. You can rant about anti Zionism 24/7.

Bayonne  posted on  2005-07-27   16:52:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#248. To: AdamSelene (#245)

lol - free speech as long as you hate the right groups, otherwise take it elsewhere.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-07-27   17:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#249. To: Jethro Tull (#236)

...since most of Islam the discovered universe sees Bush as a madman...

Lod  posted on  2005-07-27   17:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#250. To: wbales, robin, Bayonne, Eoghan, zoroaster (#246)

Well the readers of 4 can do something very simple to ascertain which side is telling the truth.

Read for yourself and then draw your own conclusions.

EXHIBIT ONE

EXHIBIT TWO

EXHIBIT THREE

EXHIBIT FOUR

EXHIBIT FIVE

Washington Report

1776  posted on  2005-07-27   17:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#251. To: AdamSelene (#245)

NUKE THE RAG-HEADS

There, that make you feel better?

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-07-27   17:35:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#252. To: wbales (#246)

Take Starwind and Pheadrus with you.

"a" goes before the "e", Bud -- at least spell my name right if you're going to abuse me. LOL

Phaedrus  posted on  2005-07-27   17:40:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#253. To: Phaedrus, Dakmar, wbales (#252)

if you're going to abuse me.

Not a chance, your mother was a hard act to follow.


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-07-27   18:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#254. To: 1776 (#250)

The religion of some here affects their judgement- they have to be shills. They won't acknowledge 1 point in any of your links. That's how you know they're fanatics.

Bayonne  posted on  2005-07-27   18:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#255. To: AdamSelene (#245)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-07-27   18:40:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#256. To: Starwind (#248)

I'm amazed how many people answer to the title "Anti-Semitic Kook".

Hell, is other people. Some more than others.

AdamSelene  posted on  2005-07-27   20:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#257. To: AdamSelene (#245)

Take Starwind and Phaedrus with you.

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-07-27   20:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#258. To: Flintlock (#253)

And the horse you rode in on, Flintlock.

Phaedrus  posted on  2005-07-27   20:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#259. To: Phaedrus (#258)

And the horse you rode in on, Flintlock.

My horse rode in on your mother.


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-07-27   20:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#260. To: Phaedrus (#258)

And the horse you rode in on, Flintlock.

It's a keyboard--not a horse. Idiot.

And why are you still here?

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-07-27   21:00:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#261. To: wbales (#260)

You too, Idiot.

Phaedrus  posted on  2005-07-27   21:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#262. To: Flintlock (#259)

All mouth, no class.

Phaedrus  posted on  2005-07-27   21:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#263. To: Phaedrus (#262)

Detail, exactly and specifically, the benefits to America and Americans from the American-Israeli relationship.

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-07-27   21:04:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#264. To: Phaedrus (#262)

All mouth, no class.

100% braindead rapture rodent

Remember: The Lord hates a fool, and you're as big as they come.


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-07-27   21:08:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#265. To: AdamSelene, robin, Zipporah, christine, 1776, Eoghan, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, wbales, tom007 (#256)

I'm amazed how many people answer to the title "Anti-Semitic Kook".

Ever since I was called that for opposing public funding for Kiryas Joel free school.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-07-27   21:16:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#266. To: Dakmar (#265)

>> Ever since I was called that [Anti-Semitic Kook] for opposing public funding for Kiryas Joel free school.

You were not treated honestly or fairly, but I doubt I need to tell you that.

Opposing public funding of projects that benefit Jews certainly does not make one Anti-semitic.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-07-27   22:01:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#267. To: Starwind (#266)

I know, that's what I've been trying to tell everyone. Everyone seems to agree.

Why am I still labelled a kook?

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-07-27   22:16:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#268. To: Dakmar (#267)

Why am I still labelled a kook?

Where were you labeled a kook?

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-07-27   22:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#269. To: Starwind (#266)

Opposing public funding of projects that benefit Jews certainly does not make one Anti-semitic.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

You say "The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news".

Jews discount, discredit and mock Jesus Christ as the one and true son of God, yes???

Are YOU, therefore, being anti-semitic with that statement about Jesus Christ?

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-07-27   22:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#270. To: Starwind (#268)

Where were you labeled a kook?

I thought I was automatic kook for being against Iraq war.

I see people with political beliefs similar to my midwestern libertarianism called kooks all the time, on every sort of website imaginable. Cool!

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-07-27   22:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: Dakmar (#267)

Why am I still labelled a kook?

Blame it on the public school system. They don't spend near enough time differentiating between kooks, circus freaks, and carnys. I guess that's why people keep getting us mixed-up.

If a man has nothing that he is willing to die for, then he has nothing worth living for.

Esso  posted on  2005-07-27   22:25:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: Esso (#271)

That's right, always listen to cab drivers no matter what.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-07-27   22:28:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: wbales (#269)

Jews discount, discredit and mock Jesus Christ as the one and true son of God, yes???

Not entirely, no. Some Jews do, some don't.

Christ Himself is a Jew, so is Paul, so are most of the Apostles. Are they anti-semitic in their agreement that Jesus Christ as the one and true son of God?

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-07-27   22:29:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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