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Title: Debate on 4um censorship--Weigh In!
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Published: Jul 24, 2005
Author: Christine and Zipporah
Post Date: 2005-07-24 23:28:38 by christine
Keywords: censorship--Weigh, Debate
Views: 3441
Comments: 295

Because concerns by several members have been posted to us, both publically and privately, about the free speech "allowed" on 4um, we have decided to create three new categories. The primary hot button is that of the Israel/Jewish/Zionism topic. We do not wish to censor and we also do not wish to offend (in reality, unavoidable, as what offends one may not offend another) anyone. With the availability of specific categories, each individual may eliminate an entire subject that he/she wishes not to view via his/her personal 'setup' page.

In the spirit of cooperation, and with the goal of working toward a satisfying and pleasant forum experience for everyone, we'd like to request that you avail yourselves of these specific category selections when posting your articles. The three new categories are:

Israel/Zionism

All is Vanity

Author! Author!

We hope that you all feel that this is an equitable solution.

Christine and Zipporah

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#246. To: AdamSelene (#245)

The Anti-Semitic Kooks are starting to make me miss BadEye.

Liberty Post -- it's only a click away.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi- bin/latestcomments.cgi

Take Starwind and Pheadrus with you.

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-07-27   16:35:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#247. To: AdamSelene (#245)

Go post on Clown Posse. You'll fit right in with your closed-mindedness. You can rant about anti Zionism 24/7.

Bayonne  posted on  2005-07-27   16:52:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#248. To: AdamSelene (#245)

lol - free speech as long as you hate the right groups, otherwise take it elsewhere.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-07-27   17:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#249. To: Jethro Tull (#236)

...since most of Islam the discovered universe sees Bush as a madman...

Lod  posted on  2005-07-27   17:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#250. To: wbales, robin, Bayonne, Eoghan, zoroaster (#246)

Well the readers of 4 can do something very simple to ascertain which side is telling the truth.

Read for yourself and then draw your own conclusions.

EXHIBIT ONE

EXHIBIT TWO

EXHIBIT THREE

EXHIBIT FOUR

EXHIBIT FIVE

Washington Report

1776  posted on  2005-07-27   17:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#251. To: AdamSelene (#245)

NUKE THE RAG-HEADS

There, that make you feel better?

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-07-27   17:35:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#252. To: wbales (#246)

Take Starwind and Pheadrus with you.

"a" goes before the "e", Bud -- at least spell my name right if you're going to abuse me. LOL

Phaedrus  posted on  2005-07-27   17:40:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#253. To: Phaedrus, Dakmar, wbales (#252)

if you're going to abuse me.

Not a chance, your mother was a hard act to follow.


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-07-27   18:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#254. To: 1776 (#250)

The religion of some here affects their judgement- they have to be shills. They won't acknowledge 1 point in any of your links. That's how you know they're fanatics.

Bayonne  posted on  2005-07-27   18:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#255. To: AdamSelene (#245)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-07-27   18:40:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#256. To: Starwind (#248)

I'm amazed how many people answer to the title "Anti-Semitic Kook".

Hell, is other people. Some more than others.

AdamSelene  posted on  2005-07-27   20:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#257. To: AdamSelene (#245)

Take Starwind and Phaedrus with you.

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-07-27   20:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#258. To: Flintlock (#253)

And the horse you rode in on, Flintlock.

Phaedrus  posted on  2005-07-27   20:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#259. To: Phaedrus (#258)

And the horse you rode in on, Flintlock.

My horse rode in on your mother.


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-07-27   20:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#260. To: Phaedrus (#258)

And the horse you rode in on, Flintlock.

It's a keyboard--not a horse. Idiot.

And why are you still here?

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-07-27   21:00:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#261. To: wbales (#260)

You too, Idiot.

Phaedrus  posted on  2005-07-27   21:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#262. To: Flintlock (#259)

All mouth, no class.

Phaedrus  posted on  2005-07-27   21:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#263. To: Phaedrus (#262)

Detail, exactly and specifically, the benefits to America and Americans from the American-Israeli relationship.

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-07-27   21:04:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#264. To: Phaedrus (#262)

All mouth, no class.

100% braindead rapture rodent

Remember: The Lord hates a fool, and you're as big as they come.


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-07-27   21:08:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#265. To: AdamSelene, robin, Zipporah, christine, 1776, Eoghan, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, wbales, tom007 (#256)

I'm amazed how many people answer to the title "Anti-Semitic Kook".

Ever since I was called that for opposing public funding for Kiryas Joel free school.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-07-27   21:16:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#266. To: Dakmar (#265)

>> Ever since I was called that [Anti-Semitic Kook] for opposing public funding for Kiryas Joel free school.

You were not treated honestly or fairly, but I doubt I need to tell you that.

Opposing public funding of projects that benefit Jews certainly does not make one Anti-semitic.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-07-27   22:01:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#267. To: Starwind (#266)

I know, that's what I've been trying to tell everyone. Everyone seems to agree.

Why am I still labelled a kook?

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-07-27   22:16:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#268. To: Dakmar (#267)

Why am I still labelled a kook?

Where were you labeled a kook?

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-07-27   22:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#269. To: Starwind (#266)

Opposing public funding of projects that benefit Jews certainly does not make one Anti-semitic.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

You say "The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news".

Jews discount, discredit and mock Jesus Christ as the one and true son of God, yes???

Are YOU, therefore, being anti-semitic with that statement about Jesus Christ?

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-07-27   22:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#270. To: Starwind (#268)

Where were you labeled a kook?

I thought I was automatic kook for being against Iraq war.

I see people with political beliefs similar to my midwestern libertarianism called kooks all the time, on every sort of website imaginable. Cool!

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-07-27   22:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: Dakmar (#267)

Why am I still labelled a kook?

Blame it on the public school system. They don't spend near enough time differentiating between kooks, circus freaks, and carnys. I guess that's why people keep getting us mixed-up.

If a man has nothing that he is willing to die for, then he has nothing worth living for.

Esso  posted on  2005-07-27   22:25:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: Esso (#271)

That's right, always listen to cab drivers no matter what.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-07-27   22:28:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: wbales (#269)

Jews discount, discredit and mock Jesus Christ as the one and true son of God, yes???

Not entirely, no. Some Jews do, some don't.

Christ Himself is a Jew, so is Paul, so are most of the Apostles. Are they anti-semitic in their agreement that Jesus Christ as the one and true son of God?

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-07-27   22:29:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#274. To: Dakmar (#270)

I thought I was automatic kook for being against Iraq war.

Well, the evidence is in, and it appears the kooks are the ones who started the war.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-07-27   22:30:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#275. To: Starwind (#274)

Well, the evidence is in, and it appears the kooks are the ones who started the war.

Rapture Monkey / Zionist kooks? You with me so far?...

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-07-27   22:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: Dakmar (#275)

Rapture Monkey / Zionist kooks? You with me so far?...

Too much 'short hand'...you lost me now... explain please?

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-07-27   22:37:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: Starwind (#274)

Would you feel more comfortable if I abandoned "Zionist" in favor of "Lansky Syndicate"?

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-07-27   22:38:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: Starwind (#276)

Too much 'short hand'...you lost me now... explain please?

Put simply, I believe a radical pro-Israel syndicate has managed to grab hold of power no country in their right mind would grant.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-07-27   22:43:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: Dakmar (#277)

You're just using phrases I don't, and so I'm not sure what you mean.

So, "Lansky Syndicate" went over my head also.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-07-27   22:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: wbales (#263)

Detail, exactly and specifically, the benefits to America and Americans from the American-Israeli relationship.

If you have a position, state it. If you would like my response to that position, request it. You are not in a position to require of me that I respond to or justify anything to you.

Phaedrus  posted on  2005-07-27   22:48:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: Starwind (#279)

Meyer Lansky

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-07-27   22:49:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: Dakmar (#278)

I believe a radical pro-Israel syndicate has managed to grab hold of power no country in their right mind would grant.

Well in Israel that is not surprising but to be expected.

In the US, yes the administration is pro-Israel, but I don't believe to the exclusion of all else, ie they're not "Israel-firsters", IMO.

They're not terribly bright people (aside from domestic political intrigue) in exceedingly complex situtations, acting on typical motivations of fame, power, greed, ego... and they make a lot of bad decisions, some that favor Israel, some that don't.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-07-27   22:50:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: Flintlock (#264)

100% braindead rapture rodent

Remember: The Lord hates a fool, and you're as big as they come.

Yes, bullseye, all mouth and no class. You can call names. Can you think? Is name calling your sole contribution here? Well, you're Bozo'd, Bozo.

Phaedrus  posted on  2005-07-27   22:52:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: Phaedrus (#283)

Well, you're Bozo'd, Bozo.

Smooch it, rapture rodent.


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-07-27   22:55:08 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#285. To: Starwind (#282)

They're not terribly bright people (aside from domestic political intrigue) in exceedingly complex situtations, acting on typical motivations of fame, power, greed, ego... and they make a lot of bad decisions, some that favor Israel, some that don't.

With all due respect, I think you are full of squirrel crap if you believe that a bunch of idiotic cowboys are able to trash the ENTIRE WESTERN TRADITION, not to mention putting a huge strain on National Guard recruiters, without some sudden kink in the revenue stream were it some rogue hatchet boobery.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-07-27   22:57:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: Dakmar (#285)

that a bunch of idiotic cowboys are able to trash the ENTIRE WESTERN TRADITION, not to mention putting a huge strain on National Guard recruiters, without some sudden kink in the revenue stream were it some rogue hatchet boobery.

But I didn't say there won't be economic consequences.

You wouldn't know it because you don't know my posting history or viewpoints, but suffice it to say I've been arguing (preaching to the choir where the unUsual Suspects are concerned) that the US economy was headed for depression and in fact if measured by unadjusted economic indicators as used even 10 years ago, we never really climbed out of the last recession. And a large part of that is the deficit spending by the current administration & congress and the inflating of the money supply by the Federal Reserve under Greenspan.

But the support to Israel, even the Iraq war, is a small percentage of those fiscal and monetary mistakes. Yes, Bush & Co, are cowboys, but the've had the complicit help of congress and the Federal Reserve and the world's other central banks.

Did they trash the 'entire western tradition'? Well in some sense yes they have.

But my point was "They're not terribly bright people (aside from domestic political intrigue) in exceedingly complex situtations, acting on typical motivations of fame, power, greed, ego... and they make a lot of bad decisions, some that favor Israel, some that don't.", and I don't see where your argument has contradicted me. It is complex, and they're not too bright and Israel didn't benefit from everything and the billions spent directly and indirectly on Israel is miniscule compared to the trillions that got misspent on everything else.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-07-27   23:11:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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