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Title: Debate on 4um censorship--Weigh In!
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Published: Jul 24, 2005
Author: Christine and Zipporah
Post Date: 2005-07-24 23:28:38 by christine
Keywords: censorship--Weigh, Debate
Views: 3648
Comments: 295

Because concerns by several members have been posted to us, both publically and privately, about the free speech "allowed" on 4um, we have decided to create three new categories. The primary hot button is that of the Israel/Jewish/Zionism topic. We do not wish to censor and we also do not wish to offend (in reality, unavoidable, as what offends one may not offend another) anyone. With the availability of specific categories, each individual may eliminate an entire subject that he/she wishes not to view via his/her personal 'setup' page.

In the spirit of cooperation, and with the goal of working toward a satisfying and pleasant forum experience for everyone, we'd like to request that you avail yourselves of these specific category selections when posting your articles. The three new categories are:

Israel/Zionism

All is Vanity

Author! Author!

We hope that you all feel that this is an equitable solution.

Christine and Zipporah

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Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 34.

#14. To: Kamala, Lady X, LeCroupier, lightmind, Littlelisa, lodwick, LostBody, markm0722, mars attack, Matt Giwer, Mekons4, mennyiben, mirage, Mr Nuke Buzzcut, MUDDOG, Neil McIver, NOLAJBS, OKCSubmariner, okisok, Old Fud, orangedog, Pissed Off Janitor, PnbC (#0)

FYI

christine  posted on  2005-07-25   11:52:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The new Bozo filter may not be enough for the poster who called for censorship. He likes to control, and he wants noone to be able to post about his special group. He probably will not use the Bozo because he is driven to see the posts he wants to control. He acts like an agent of Israel, and feels a misplaced responsibility to defend Israel. Because he feels that Jews are oppressed by people like us in the 'aggressor' Marxist group. He is defending what he perceives to be the victim group, rooting for the underdog, so to speak.

Bayonne  posted on  2005-07-25   12:02:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The new Bozo filter may not be enough for the poster who called for censorship. He likes to control, and he wants noone to be able to post about his special group. He probably will not use the Bozo because he is driven to see the posts he wants to control. He acts like an agent of Israel, and feels a misplaced responsibility to defend Israel. Because he feels that Jews are oppressed by people like us in the 'aggressor' Marxist group. He is defending what he perceives to be the victim group, rooting for the underdog, so to speak.

LOL ... how can you possibly know any of this?

Thanks, Christine.

Phaedrus  posted on  2005-07-25   12:53:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#35. To: Phaedrus (#34)

....how can you possibly know any of this?

How did you know they were talking about you?

crack monkey  posted on  2005-07-25 12:57:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

LOL ... how can you possibly know any of this?

He doesn't.. any more than I do.

However, it's a reasonable assumption based on past experience. It works like a slippery slope.

Here's an example:

First, it's the "anti-semitic" stuff that has to be banned.. Ostensibly because it's offensive and hurts the site.

It's not a hot topic of mine, but I do read the occasional thread

Then it's the "Kook" stuff. Again, the reason given is it hurts the site and taints everyone by association.

Not a hot topic of mine either, but then again, why should I, you or anyone care if someone thinks we never landed on the moon? So what?

Then it's "Bush Bashing" Once more it ostensibly hurts the place and makes us all look bad. It's "divisive" etc..

Then "Party bashing" "Catholic bashing" On and on..

Etc, etc, etc..

Thanks, Christine.

Well, that's sweet of you.

It's nice to see that someone so opposed to this kind of content appreciates her effort.

It's allot more than some people would do and I think she deserves a thanks.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-07-25 13:06:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What are you talking about, Phaedrus? You and I have never corresponded privately and everything you have communicated regarding your feelings has been right on open forum! Ask Bayonne who he's referring to. I don't know. I can only assume just as you have!

christine  posted on  2005-07-25 13:17:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You wanted to remove my 1st amendment rights that I enjoy on this forum-

This is an act of aggression against me- an individual. I realize it is hard for you to grasp this, because you are a conditioned Marxist. Groups have no right to use coercion to stop my free speech. Only the individual has rights. You can fight to change the Constitution, but until then my individual rights to critize groups and individuals is primary. You attemped to control me by getting the owners to remove some of my rights.

Jewish groups have no protection against my criticism. You assign a group rights and power and this is wrong. You are saying that the 1st amendment does not apply when thinking about Jews, because they are a special group that has the 'right', not to be critised on certain grounds they dictate. If what you demanded came to pass, the Jewish group would effectively have the power to remove my 1st amendment rights. This is a form of tyranny. Jews as a group fight to gain power in our system, so that eventually they can override the majority's will. We may be at that point. We are at the point where I not only have to worry about groups, now I have to worry about Americans like you that take the position of the coercive group instead of that of protecting my rights- you fellow citizen.

The founders gave individuals the rights we enjoy because they protected us from tyranny. The govt group, or any other group, could not get away with aggression towards indivs and could not CONTROL individuals. Since all individuals have the same rights, the system treats all like equals. Removing rights from the individual and giving groups power over indivs is a form of tyranny. My question to you is: Why did you sell me out, trying to remove rights from me, a fellow American, to advance the agenda of Jewish groups that work against me 24/7?

You are a cultural Marxist in the way you approach this situation. Certain things should not 'be allowed' Worse, you want the State to ultimately enforce this. It is clear you support hate crime laws. You have abandoned the founding principles.

Bayonne  posted on  2005-07-25 14:28:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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