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Title: Debate on 4um censorship--Weigh In!
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Published: Jul 24, 2005
Author: Christine and Zipporah
Post Date: 2005-07-24 23:28:38 by christine
Keywords: censorship--Weigh, Debate
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Comments: 295
Because concerns by several members have been posted to us, both publically and privately, about the free speech "allowed" on 4um, we have decided to create three new categories. The primary hot button is that of the Israel/Jewish/Zionism topic. We do not wish to censor and we also do not wish to offend (in reality, unavoidable, as what
offends one may not offend another) anyone. With the availability of specific categories, each individual may eliminate an entire subject that he/she wishes not to view via his/her personal 'setup' page.
In the spirit of cooperation, and with the goal of working toward a satisfying and pleasant forum experience for everyone, we'd like to request that you avail yourselves of these specific category selections when posting your articles. The three new categories are:
Israel/Zionism
All is Vanity
Author! Author!
We hope that you all feel that this is an equitable solution.
Christine and Zipporah
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#41. To: Jhoffa_ (#32)
Trying to pay bills today and feeling like stealing the little guy's beverage myself... Does anything suck much harder than "Bill-Paying Day"? Gak.
As I've said, you have this "fairness problem", Jhoffa_ ... ;-} Thanks.
..running a forum? :P
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
Oh my gosh.. tell me about it.. It's been a slow month and both front windows are obscured by a product a customer destroyed himself and wants me to make good. Ugggh. Taxes are due for last quarter. Jack & Hemlock please!
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
:)
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
I'm not bothered by any of it, Christine. I do appreciate your efforts to be fair.
Thank you, I appreciate your saying so.
I just realized a few things about hate speech: The issue of hate speech, publicized often for all Americans to see, maintains the victim status of special groups and instills a sense of guilt in the majority that they are unaware of on the surface. Everyone in the majority that is not PC is a kind of criminal in our system. Not only that, Americans that abide by PC live with a subtle fear- that they will say the wrong thing or think the wrong thing. This is what totalitarianism does to individuals. There is a constant campaign of conditioning against individuals in the majority in our media- to instill guilt, reinforce certain govt powered groups as perpetual victims, and cement the majority as predatory and aggressive in its relationships with the victim groups. Guilt serves to neuter the majority when groups are working against them- which is always. The majority feels subconsciously that the special groups deserve the power they usurp. I say usurp, because the more power groups get, the less power the individual is able to exercise. Its no coincidence that the rampant collectivism present in the US coincides with the rise of the American police state. These groups claim they need power and rights to fight off aggression, hate. We are told that free speech deemed as hate by the tot Marxist-like system can lead to violence and even another holocaust. Mission accomplished. As these groups work against the majority and reinforce collectivism, the individual stands silent when being attacked in this Marxist inspired class warfare. At this point, he has accepted the Marxist doctrine as ethical and cannot even see the aggression of the special groups, backed with the full power of the fed govt. He has bought the argument that indiv rights are not only not important, but a threat that will lead to violence if freedom of speech is not ended. He believes the ADL is a defensive org, and that all they want is equality. What they actually want is superiority at the expense of the individual. The power source for the ADL, taken by the govt, is the individual. If you accept what I am saying, think about how are system has been hijacked. Think about the collectivism rampant in the US. Think of how are politicians serve groups and not individuals. Think of the fact that the ADL and other groups panned this whole mess we're in. The propaganda and conditioning we are subjected to by the media, systematically, is a crime. The propaganda is so massive that individuals in the majority accept the above. They think collectively now. They believe groups have natures and deserve power to 'protect' themselves. They lose their sense of individuality, their awareness of their God given rights. They have accepted collectivism over individuality. The exact opposite of the founding 'fathers' vision. This is because they have been conditioned to be slaves. BOTS place no value on individual rights. At this point they actually seem to be hostile to indiv rights. So, hate speech is a false issue, used by groups to gain power and weaken the rights of the individual. The issue of hate was carefully thought out before implementation- there was a plan- we have been lied to for years. Certain groups mask their aggression toward the majority by conditioning the sheeple to feel guilty and feel that the aggression is actually justice- to make their group equal to the majority. Groups have chosen to segregate themselves via definitions they come up with for their group. So, groups and the fed govt create all this group politics we see. They choose segregation while the claim the opposite. No two groups can be equal so that stated goal is not real. Groups, especially based on race, constantly seek more power. The evidence is our system. One groups has gotten everything they want fom the US govt in the last 5 years. They want their group to be the strongest. Again, they're claims for equality are false. If they truly wanted freedom and equality, they would not have segregated themselves in the 1st place- they would have sought total integration- with each individual, regardless of race, being equal and enjoying the same freedoms and rights. Instead, as they fought for integration publicly, they secretly employed segregation to fight for the collective group. The most successful group, out of many, in employing the above has been the Jews. They have used their victim class status, our predator class status, implementation of guilt thru the holocost, and very real political power that the fed gov gave them so that they are almost above the law in some respects.
Great names for the new categories! Does everyone understand how the Category Filter works? I did not until yesterday. You check the categories you do not want to ever see.
Since I'm still "in the system," my one little form of resistance is to defer making any "contributions" until October 15th of each year. Perhaps by this time next year, we will all have liberated ourselves from this voluntary system - I hope and pray. Cheers.
that's it in a nutshell! great post.
You wanted to remove my 1st amendment rights that I enjoy on this forum-
This is an act of aggression against me- an individual. I realize it is hard
for you to grasp this, because you are a conditioned Marxist. Groups have no
right to use coercion to stop my free speech. Only the individual has rights.
You can fight to change the Constitution, but until then my individual rights
to critize groups and individuals is primary. You attemped to control me by
getting the owners to remove some of my rights. Jewish groups have no
protection against my criticism. You assign a group rights and power and this
is wrong. You are saying that the 1st amendment does not apply when thinking
about Jews, because they are a special group that has the 'right', not to be
critised on certain grounds they dictate. If what you demanded came to pass,
the Jewish group would effectively have the power to remove my 1st amendment
rights. This is a form of tyranny. Jews as a group fight to gain power in our
system, so that eventually they can override the majority's will. We may be at
that point. We are at the point where I not only have to worry about groups,
now I have to worry about Americans like you that take the position of the
coercive group instead of that of protecting my rights- you fellow citizen.
The founders gave individuals the rights we enjoy because they protected us
from tyranny. The govt group, or any other group, could not get away with
aggression towards indivs and could not CONTROL individuals. Since all
individuals have the same rights, the system treats all like equals. Removing
rights from the individual and giving groups power over indivs is a form of
tyranny. My question to you is: Why did you sell me out, trying to remove
rights from me, a fellow American, to advance the agenda of Jewish groups that
work against me 24/7? You are a cultural Marxist in the way you approach
this situation. Certain things should not 'be allowed' Worse, you want the
State to ultimately enforce this. It is clear you support hate crime laws. You
have abandoned the founding principles.
It's not a hot topic of mine, but I do read the occasional thread Then it's the "Kook" stuff. Again, the reason given is it hurts the site and taints everyone by association. Not a hot topic of mine either, but then again, why should I, you or anyone care if someone thinks we never landed on the moon? So what? Then it's "Bush Bashing" Once more it ostensibly hurts the place and makes us all look bad. It's "divisive" etc.. It goes a little along the lines of that famous quote from Pastor Martin Niemöller, So, you see it is the same old crap that the Nazis pulled, and the Germans allowed by it their silence and acquiesence. We only hurt ourselves by allowing the persecutions for thought crimes and crimes by association and so forth. It is a vicious and never ending cycle. If we allow it, soon there will be no one left to speak out. I will resist this evil to my last breath.
"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron
In effect it is the ghettoization of information that profoundly affects the future of our nation. By default though, the Category Filter allows all categories to be viewed. The poster must choose to remove a category from being viewed. And there will be some overlapping that will "spill over" into World/National News. For example, if I post an article about the London Bombing that includes the amazing timing involving the warning given to only Netanyahu to stay put in his hotel room, that will be seen by anyone with the World News category viewable. OTOH, for example, an editorial that specifically examines how Zionism affects our national policy, that should be posted under the new Israel/Zionism category.
Each poster, I'm sure, has identified other posters whose ideology and posting style they find offensive. Should the posts of these individuals overlap into other categories, then the bozo filter can be utilized.
Good point. Between the Category Filter and the Bozo filter, no one need be offended ever. I'll have to try harder.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
Look at it as a mission...;)
Is there any doubt? I thought they were talking about me!
"Besides the three usual brain functions: understanding, rationality, and the will, which together make up man's spirit and serve his life's interests, a fourth category of thinking evidently slumbers within man which, once started through deliberate re-routing of psychic functions, lets men act against their very own interest for the benefit of a foreign will. The better the mentors of such re-routing succeed in hypnotizing other people of a closed world view, the sooner they can be moved as Isms, to sacrifice themselves and others, so that their spiritual mentors don't lack any power and wealth." To be truly in balance one must be hated by both the German and Jewish variety of nazi, being called supremacist of any sort gets triple score.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
Here are my reasons for why "hate speech" merits categorization separate from other categories and what I think "hate speech" is. There is to me (and others like me) a very clear dividing line between disent or differing opinion that ought to be tolerated and even discussed in 'polite company' versus 'hate speech' that has no redeeming merit for discussion purposes. Our constitution protects hate speech, and I'm not advocating we change the constitution or lobby for the author to be jailed. He had and exercizes under the consititution, his right to compose and publish and broadcast his viewpoint. But I do advocate that hate speech not be further imported via Freedom4um into my office/home, or otherwise shoved in my face. My reasons are twofold, one esthetic, the other pragmatic: I did inquire about fixing the bozo filter such that in the future " hate speech" articles might be hidden, as often is the advocated solution. As it is, the bozo filter does not filter articles on the "Latest" menu, the latest comments page, the headlines page, and doesn't even filter pings from bozo'd posters. Even if Neil makes the enhancements, one then becomes forced to bozo everything from a poster when only a few articles were objectionable, and even that will be circumvented should some other poster post the same or variant articles. Mandating the 'bozo' filter as the solution acts against the poster rather than the article. In my opinion, "hate speech" is any article wherein the object is to criticize, deride, or otherwise bash some person or group not based on what they have said or done (behavior or actions) but based on their genetic, racial or ethnic background (makeup or appearance). As a recent example, in The Biological Puzzle of Jewish Behavior the group being targeted was Jews (as happens all too frquently on Freedom4um, as it did on Freedom Underground and as it does on Stormfront), but not because of what Israeli political leaders did, or not because of some newsworthy event of something happening to Jews, and not even because of what a particular Jew did. From the article: Substitute "White" for Jew (or "male" for Jew) in that article and you'd have something closer to the truth regarding who has the control of our government. This article would be just as wrong directed againt Women, Whites, Blacks, Asians, Muslims, Christians, Buddists, or Rednecks. It was not criticism of someone's actions or goals, it was criticism of their background - the crime was being a Jew and the loose conspiracy accusations leveled against all Jews because they're Jews. In my opinion, any and all articles which target indiscriminatly all members of a group based on ethnicity, rather than on specific actions or status, is simple bashing and has no meritorious content and could be deleted (or proscribed) on the simple grounds of being hate speech. It isn't political speech, aside from it being the hate politics of white supremacists, and I see no reason Freedom4um *must* provide such hate-mongers with yet another outlet for their bile. I favor free political speech, dissent against the mainstream media and political establishment, and a restoration of constitutional government and conservative values. But I am opposed to all racism and hate speech without regard to target. Hating the Jew for being a Jew is just as wrong as hating a black for being black or hating a muslim for being a muslim...etc. As acknowledged above, while our constitution protects hate speech, our constitutional values are *not* to foster racist hatred of any given ethnic group. We recognize the right of forum owners to censor pornography from Freedom4um, but that is free speech as well. And the forum does not tolerate someone exercising their free speech rights to post pornography. And well they shouldn,'t. I'm glad they don't. But that same judgment call and ownership right exercised against pornography can be made against "hate speech" as well. This forum to me is like a "newstand" or a gathering place to discuss events, business, politics, even religion with like or even dissimilar points of view. It started with a lot more balance than is evident at present. It has noticibly changed and increasingly is racist in content. Do I have a right to demand that such views not be published? Of course not. Do I have a right to demand the forum revert to what it was when it started, or that such views not be posted here? Of course not. Do I have a right to not have "hate speech" pushed in my face? I think so, especially in light of mechanisms that permit it to be separated, much like pornogrpahy is covered and separated from otherwise disinterested consumers. Not suprisingly, such a move is met with accusations of trampling the constitution, knuckling under to the Jew power structure and the Illuminati and the RNC and ...whatever the kook conspiracy theory du jour happens to be. But aside from censoring "incite to violence" if no other line is drawn anywhere to separate even the most extreme hate speech from political dissent, where will the forum lead? If nothing is deemed too racist and hateful, if everything merits discussion, what distinguishes Freedom4um from Stormfront? Why would a rational thoughtful person avoid Stormfront and yet post on Freedom4um only to see the same content? None of us object to a course being steered toward free political dissent or even dissent in general. But there are many of us who would welcome a course correction away from the growing racism we all see. It is bad enough wading through the interforum wars, profanity and kook conspiracy theories, but the incessant racism (from some posters) puts it over the top. We have already lost some posters who choose to not associate with a forum that frequently appears to be a platform for racist hate speech. I say 'appears' because while I know that was not the original intent, the frequency of such articles being posted and the number of comments they draw stands out (both in view and in memory) from other news worthy articles. And the number of newsworthy articles and comments diminishes as the posters who are put off by racism depart. As they depart, the remaining posters exercise their tolerance or even proclivity to post further racist hate speech, and overtime the overall appearance of the forum shifts from news and discussion to hate speech. The solution proposed then (as the bozo filter was deemed inapporpriate) was simply a recategorization of the "hate speech" articles to " Israel/Zionism". I think that is a reasonable compromise that seems to satisfy the various viewpoints as I understand them. I would even suggest a couple further refinements: At present, it has not been explained what belongs in "Israel/ Zionism" and so one would assume it would be any and all articles discussing Israel/ Zionism both legitimate as well as 'hate speech', which to me seems overkill in that most of the articles posted about Israel/Zionism are not what I would consider hate speech and not in need of recategorization, but more problematic, the broad category doesn't separate the legitimate from the hate speech. There are many articles posted about Israel or even Zionism, many of which I can understand and accept the complaints of the authors while a few I might care to dispute the historical facts. But it would seem this one category would lump together these news reports or editorials which generally are not objectionable, with the occasional "hate speech" article I don't care to see. I think that is true for others as well. The objection is not against all or most articles about Israel/Zionism, but just against the few that seem to have no purpose other than to bash Jews for being Jewish (and in the future to bash Mexicans for being Mexican, Indian's for being Indian, etc. but all of them being not- White). So, standard news reports and editorials about Israel/Zionism could continue to be posted in the normal News, War, etc categories, so as to continue to give them maximum exposure to the entire forum and perhaps change the category name to "Bait'n n Bash'n" :) - that name alone explains a lot - " Ethnic Issues", or some such, and ostensibly the purpose of this category would be as follows: Articles that now belong in "Bait'n n Bash'n" ["Ethnic Issues" or whatever] are those that express a biased editorial opinion (as opposed to factual research), pro or con (to be fair), predominantly generalizing: As an example, the following threads (as explained for each) might then be moved to "Bait'n n Bash'n": The Biological Puzzle of Jewish Behavior.(editorialize about being Jewish) (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Are you living in Canada? Germany? Israel? You use the term 'hate speech' as if
it's a statute. Please, my friend, we’re doing all we can to keep that vile
form of PC away from these shores - we hardly need someone like you so willing
to concede it already exists. Why not simply walk past articles and posters
that bother you, or don't conform to your belief system? Why do you feel the
need to define other POV as ’hate’. If we’re going down that path, what I see
coming from you is censorship. If the compromise Christine and Zip put
together doesn’t satisfy you, I suggest it’s you who has the problem, not us.
Perhaps 4 is too free for you.
Are you a rapture monkey?
Thank you for your clarity and your courage.
Are you a rapture monkey?
You really don't want to hear from me, Flintlock. Play nice.
Sure I do. Now answer the question, are you a rapture monkey?
Say what? He's
labeling speech as 'hate speech.' These are the words of an Abe Foxman, or some
other censor. But thanks for the input. It's best to know where people stand on
issues, and you clearly have stepped out of the closet.
I would like to do just that. I'm not asking they be removed. I'm only asking that the filter solution actually work. I'm sure you understand the holes in the bozo filter regarding "content", Neil and Christine do. And I'm confident you also understand my view that most articles about Israel/ Zionism (as well as nearly all articles posted on F4) are worth my reading. And so I believe you therefore understand how filtering out the entire Israel/ Zionism category is overkill. Consequently you seem to implicitly accept the approach of moving Israel/Zionism articles into their own category, so why do not accept moving far, far fewer articles into an even narrower category? You seem to have accepted categorization as a solution. Why disagree with categorizing only those articles which raise objections? You seem to recognize that it isn't censorship. The articles aren't being removed. rather a means is being discussed as to how best permit their precise filtering, a filtering everyone seems to advocate. What would be the point in implementing a solution that is both overkill and doesn't solve the problem? The "need" to be precise in the definition is so to commmunicate to others what precisely ought to be filtereed so as to avoid overkill. And I wasn't so imprecise as to merely define all other points of view as hate, did I. No, I was quite specific. But, what problem do you have in categorizing as hate those articles that express a biased baseless opinion that targets entire groups as racially inferior or superior, or guilty of conspiracies by racial background, merely based on their race? We categorize everything else on F4, why not racial hatred?
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
I have heavy weather approaching and I'm about to loose my uplink. I'll be back later.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Those who would group everyone of any color, sex, nationality, or whatever or identifiable label into the same subset of individuals is weak-minded. There are more differences between any subset of a group than there are between the sets themselves - thanks for allowing me to go back to eight grade algebra for that one. My criteria are, is it good or is it evil?...is it true or is it false? It just keeps it simpler for me these days. Do continue your discussion, please.
There are more differences between any subset of a group than there are between the sets themselves - thanks for allowing me to go back to eight grade algebra for that one. My criteria are, is it good or is it evil?...is it true or is it false? It just keeps it simpler for me these days. Do continue your discussion, please. One question.. do you think that there are any groups that do depict themselves in one way or another ..if by any group or subset of a group, that do have a likeminded agenda?
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
It just keeps it simpler for me these days. Sounds good to me, thanks for keeping it clear and concise.
.. I was thinking of groups like La Raza..
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
Absolutely - most every group does their level best to appeal to whomever their target audience may be - it's PR, adverstising, spin, whatever you want to call it, and the same applies to any identifiable group of folks whether social, political, or religious - everyone pimps their point of view and tries to sell it. Some have honorable intents, and others may not...we have to look at the fruit of their actions, and not the promises of their words, imo.
I believe the "anatomically correct" term for them would be "assholes"
"If you're not cynical, then you're not paying attention."
True some do ..some dont...thanks.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
LOL!
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
I'm sure you
understand the holes in the bozo filter regarding "content", Neil and
Christine do. Gee, here's an idea starwind. Why not fire
off a healthy check to christine or zip and let them bring in an IT consultant
so they can get this filter thing to your liking? Here's some advice. Your
mixing of an odd sect of Christianity & politics seems to produce this
disgusting desire to censor. I have every right to hate, people places and
things. To date it isn't a crime. Should enough folks like you achieve
political power, I'm sure it will be. IMHO, your request has already had a
chilling effect on the forum. Earlier today I wanted to post this article -
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/25/world/main711454.shtml - but I
didn't know which pigeon hole to put it in. Thanks chum. Lord knows I wouldn't
want to offend anyone...
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#42. To: Jhoffa_ (#40)
#43. To: lodwick (#41)
Does anything suck much harder than "Bill-Paying Day"?
#44. To: lodwick (#41)
#45. To: Phaedrus (#42)
#46. To: christine (#39)
What are you talking about, Phaedrus? You and I have never corresponded privately and everything you have communicated regarding your feelings has been right on open forum! Ask Bayonne who he's referring to. I don't know. I can only assume just as you have!
#47. To: Phaedrus (#46)
#48. To: all (#22)
Bingo! Some of these gutless wonders think 'hate speech' is alive and well here in the states.
#49. To: christine, Zipporah, All (#0)
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#50. To: Jhoffa_ (#44)
Taxes
#51. To: Bayonne (#48)
Think of how are politicians serve groups and not individuals.
#52. To: Phaedrus (#34)
#53. To: Jhoffa_, christine, Phaedrus (#36)
First, it's the "anti-semitic" stuff that has to be banned.. Ostensibly because it's offensive and hurts the site.
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out — because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me — and there was no one left to speak out for me."
#54. To: Bayonne, robin, *Israeli Espionage* (#19)
The new Bozo filter may not be enough for the poster who called for censorship.
The information that shows our fellow Americans what has happened to this great nation of ours and how it happened and that identifies the pernicious and persistent 5th column that has executed a plan that goes back into, at the very least, the 1880s.
Nothing, repeat, nothing will satisfy those who attack 4 save the complete and utter censoring of information that exposes their crimes and their plans.
Unless, and until, 4 capitulates totally to the Jewish Lobby it will know no peace.
Aragorn : [In Elvish] Show them no mercy... for you shall receive none!
#55. To: 1776 (#54)
In effect it is the ghettoization of information that profoundly affects the future of our nation.
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#56. To: robin, 1776, ALL (#55)
#57. To: christine (#56)
Each poster, I'm sure, has identified other posters whose ideology and posting style they find offensive. Should the posts of these individuals overlap into other categories, then the bozo filter can be utilized.
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#58. To: robin (#57)
#59. To: Dakmar (#58)
I'll have to try harder.
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#60. To: Phaedrus, crack monkey (#37)
How did you know they were talking about you?
#61. To: Bayonne, Eoghan, Diana (#48)
There is a constant campaign of conditioning against individuals in the majority in our media- to instill guilt, reinforce certain govt powered groups as perpetual victims, and cement the majority as predatory and aggressive in its relationships with the victim groups.
Prof. Dr. Werner Pfeifenberger, who was heavily persecuted in Germany and Austria for his revisionist views and who was finally driven to suicide, stated the following:
#62. To: tom007 (#60)
I thought they were talking about me!
#63. To: christine, all, *unUsual Suspects* (#16)
"Wherever any significant community of Whites begins to see the world well enough to understand why we must not race-mix, the Jews know the jig is up for them."
No, this was simple "white supremacist" Jew bashing. I am a middle aged white American male, a "mutt" for racial purposes. This was not directed against me or against my friends or even a cause I support. It was just one person expressing his hatred of another ethnic group because of who they are and the author's conspiracy fantasies about their control over his life.
(list to be amended as needed)
THE SEVEN jEWISH BANKING FAMILIES WHO OWN THE PRIVATE 'FEDERAL RESERVE BANKING CORPORATION (unsubstantiated conspiracy by Jews)
One More Hate Letter (racial superiority or inferiority)
#64. To: Starwind (#63)
#65. To: Starwind (#63)
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#66. To: Starwind (#63)
#67. To: Phaedrus (#66)
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#68. To: Flintlock (#67)
#69. To: Phaedrus (#68)
You really don't want to hear from me, Flintlock.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#70. To: Phaedrus (#66)
clarity and your courage.
#71. To: Jethro Tull (#64)
Why not simply walk past articles and posters that bother you, or don't conform to your belief system?
Why do you feel the need to define other POV as 'hate'. If we're going down that path, what I see coming from you is censorship.
#72. To: All (#71)
#73. To: Starwind, Flint, Ph, whoever else cares (#63)
Starwind makes some excellent points here.
#74. To: lodwick (#73)
Those who would group everyone of any color, sex, nationality, or whatever or identifiable label into the same subset of individuals is weak-minded.
#75. To: lodwick (#73)
My criteria are, is it good or is it evil?...is it true or is it false?
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#76. To: robin, lodwick (#75)
#77. To: Zipporah (#74)
One question.. do you think that there are any groups that do depict themselves in one way or another ..if by any group or subset of a group, that do have a likeminded agenda?
#78. To: Zipporah (#76)
.. I was thinking of groups like La Raza..
#79. To: lodwick (#77)
#80. To: orangedog (#78)
#81. To: Starwind (#71)
I would like to do just that. I'm not asking they be removed.
I'm only asking that the filter solution actually work.
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