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Title: Debate on 4um censorship--Weigh In!
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Published: Jul 24, 2005
Author: Christine and Zipporah
Post Date: 2005-07-24 23:28:38 by christine
Keywords: censorship--Weigh, Debate
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Comments: 295
Because concerns by several members have been posted to us, both publically and privately, about the free speech "allowed" on 4um, we have decided to create three new categories. The primary hot button is that of the Israel/Jewish/Zionism topic. We do not wish to censor and we also do not wish to offend (in reality, unavoidable, as what
offends one may not offend another) anyone. With the availability of specific categories, each individual may eliminate an entire subject that he/she wishes not to view via his/her personal 'setup' page.
In the spirit of cooperation, and with the goal of working toward a satisfying and pleasant forum experience for everyone, we'd like to request that you avail yourselves of these specific category selections when posting your articles. The three new categories are:
Israel/Zionism
All is Vanity
Author! Author!
We hope that you all feel that this is an equitable solution.
Christine and Zipporah
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#256. To: Starwind (#248)
I'm amazed how many people answer to the title "Anti-Semitic Kook". Hell, is other people. Some more than others.
Take Starwind and Phaedrus with you.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
And the horse you rode in on, Flintlock.
My horse rode in on your mother.
It's a keyboard--not a horse. Idiot. And why are you still here?
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
You too, Idiot.
All mouth, no class.
Detail, exactly and specifically, the benefits to America and Americans from the American-Israeli relationship.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
100% braindead rapture rodent Remember: The Lord hates a fool, and you're as big as they come.
Ever since I was called that for opposing public funding for Kiryas Joel free school.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
You were not treated honestly or fairly, but I doubt I need to tell you that. Opposing public funding of projects that benefit Jews certainly does not make one Anti-semitic.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
I know, that's what I've been trying to tell everyone. Everyone seems to agree. Why am I still labelled a kook?
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
Where were you labeled a kook?
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news) You say "The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news". Jews discount, discredit and mock Jesus Christ as the one and true son of God, yes??? Are YOU, therefore, being anti-semitic with that statement about Jesus Christ?
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
I thought I was automatic kook for being against Iraq war. I see people with political beliefs similar to my midwestern libertarianism called kooks all the time, on every sort of website imaginable. Cool!
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
Blame it on the public school system. They don't spend near enough time differentiating between kooks, circus freaks, and carnys. I guess that's why people keep getting us mixed-up.
That's right, always listen to cab drivers no matter what.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
Not entirely, no. Some Jews do, some don't. Christ Himself is a Jew, so is Paul, so are most of the Apostles. Are they anti-semitic in their agreement that Jesus Christ as the one and true son of God?
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Well, the evidence is in, and it appears the kooks are the ones who started the war.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Rapture Monkey / Zionist kooks? You with me so far?...
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
Too much 'short hand'...you lost me now... explain please?
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Would you feel more comfortable if I abandoned "Zionist" in favor of "Lansky Syndicate"?
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
Put simply, I believe a radical pro-Israel syndicate has managed to grab hold of power no country in their right mind would grant.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
You're just using phrases I don't, and so I'm not sure what you mean. So, "Lansky Syndicate" went over my head also.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
If you have a position, state it. If you would like my response to that position, request it. You are not in a position to require of me that I respond to or justify anything to you.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
Well in Israel that is not surprising but to be expected. In the US, yes the administration is pro-Israel, but I don't believe to the exclusion of all else, ie they're not "Israel-firsters", IMO. They're not terribly bright people (aside from domestic political intrigue) in exceedingly complex situtations, acting on typical motivations of fame, power, greed, ego... and they make a lot of bad decisions, some that favor Israel, some that don't.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
Remember: The Lord hates a fool, and you're as big as they come. Yes, bullseye, all mouth and no class. You can call names. Can you think? Is name calling your sole contribution here? Well, you're Bozo'd, Bozo.
Smooch it, rapture rodent. With all due respect, I think you are full of squirrel crap if you believe that a bunch of idiotic cowboys are able to trash the ENTIRE WESTERN TRADITION, not to mention putting a huge strain on National Guard recruiters, without some sudden kink in the revenue stream were it some rogue hatchet boobery.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
But I didn't say there won't be economic consequences. You wouldn't know it because you don't know my posting history or viewpoints, but suffice it to say I've been arguing (preaching to the choir where the unUsual Suspects are concerned) that the US economy was headed for depression and in fact if measured by unadjusted economic indicators as used even 10 years ago, we never really climbed out of the last recession. And a large part of that is the deficit spending by the current administration & congress and the inflating of the money supply by the Federal Reserve under Greenspan. But the support to Israel, even the Iraq war, is a small percentage of those fiscal and monetary mistakes. Yes, Bush & Co, are cowboys, but the've had the complicit help of congress and the Federal Reserve and the world's other central banks. Did they trash the 'entire western tradition'? Well in some sense yes they have. But my point was "They're not terribly bright people (aside from domestic political intrigue) in exceedingly complex situtations, acting on typical motivations of fame, power, greed, ego... and they make a lot of bad decisions, some that favor Israel, some that don't.", and I don't see where your argument has contradicted me. It is complex, and they're not too bright and Israel didn't benefit from everything and the billions spent directly and indirectly on Israel is miniscule compared to the trillions that got misspent on everything else.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
You have to understand, I'm hateful about every cent stolen from my pocket that doesn't in some way benefit me. A million times so when my money is used against me.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
I agree entirely. The billion here and there that Israel does get is big bucks to you and I, and especially insulting when our own citizenry is hurting, our institutions crumbling, and Israel is selling our technology to the Chinese (assuming it wasn't trojan horse technology). But saying any of that doesn't make either of us anti-semitic kooks.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
You must have never run across "languid" on LP.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
If you have a position, state it. If you would like my response to that position, request it. You are not in a position to require of me that I respond to or justify anything to you. Pretty please. With sugar on top.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
Thanks for asking, I believe you want to know, and I will ignore the tone. I've had this lifelong "problem with authority" and I don't deal well with personal attacks, as is probably obvious. First, I agree with almost all or all of what Starwind has to say above, and second, I voted for Pogo, not George Bush, which should give you some idea where I stand politically -- I am Joe Sobran's "Reluctant Anarchist". Third, I am one of the "UnUsual Suspects" referred to by Starwind, although the quality of thought there may make me as much a camp follower as a contributor. I am pro-Israel but not thoughtlessly so and I am not their dupe. I am sympathetic to their 2,000-year plight and respectful of Jewish contributions to Western Science and Civilization. I am also pro-Christian but not formally Christian and you will thus not hear me arguing based upon the Bible. You won't find anything in my posts that contradicts any of this. Much of what America has done overseas over the past Century has been with the best of intent. We have not been empire-building, for example. What other nation would conquer a country, Iraq, then leave (hopefully, eventually). We are a great nation because, among other reasons, we have a track record of doing the right thing. That tradition if you will is itself justification for our support of Israel. But that support should not be blind or thoughtless. My initial opposition to the posted article was because it is anti-semitic. By that I mean there is a class of weak, twisted people who look for others to blame for their own sensed inadequacy or apparent misfortune. And there are those craven leaders who would scapegoat minorities to make themselves dictators, preying on these weaknesses. The Jews have been the "chosen people" for 2,000 in this sense. I believe we must not remain mute in the face of what I would consider to be such evil. I am concerned for our future. I believe we are on the cusp of economic times, and thus social times, so difficult as to be unimaginable to the almost all of those who are alive today. I may be wrong but while obviously thinking not, I'm hoping so. Great personal strength will be required to cope with the times and strength of character will be needed for us to avoid disintegrating into social chaos and blaming, and killing, the blacks or Jews or Muslims or whites or whomever. Overstated, but the point is there. Well, this is without a doubt more than you bargained for, but it is a fair representation of where I'm coming from.
Meant to thank you for your compliment, much appreciated.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
You're welcome ... The Reluctant Anarchist
Oh, yeah. You seem to have dealt this personal attack on Zoroaster with ease. #3. To: Arator, christine (#1) This is sick stuff. Like bad money driving out good, if 4um allows this sort of bigoted, twisted anti-Jew stuff to proliferate, the sickos will come and the good people will leave. An observation ... and a forecast, for what they are worth. Phaedrus posted on 2005-07-23 09:26:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply I could just imagine your repsonse should the posted article concerned Islam or Muslims: you either would not have responded OR poured on the accolades and agreement. Oy. And as to: "Detail, exactly and specifically, the benefits to America and Americans from the American-Israeli relationship." Your post could not have any more of a NON-answer.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
It was not against Zoroaster, it was in agreement with Arator's point that the National Vanguard (the source) was publishing sick stuff. See The Biological Puzzle of Jewish Behavior Not against Zoroaster, but against National Vanguard.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
#257. To: AdamSelene (#245)
#258. To: Flintlock (#253)
#259. To: Phaedrus (#258)
And the horse you rode in on, Flintlock.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#260. To: Phaedrus (#258)
And the horse you rode in on, Flintlock.
#261. To: wbales (#260)
#262. To: Flintlock (#259)
#263. To: Phaedrus (#262)
#264. To: Phaedrus (#262)
All mouth, no class.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#265. To: AdamSelene, robin, Zipporah, christine, 1776, Eoghan, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, wbales, tom007 (#256)
I'm amazed how many people answer to the title "Anti-Semitic Kook".
#266. To: Dakmar (#265)
>> Ever since I was called that [Anti-Semitic Kook] for opposing public funding for Kiryas Joel free school.
#267. To: Starwind (#266)
#268. To: Dakmar (#267)
Why am I still labelled a kook?
#269. To: Starwind (#266)
Opposing public funding of projects that benefit Jews certainly does not make one Anti-semitic.
#270. To: Starwind (#268)
Where were you labeled a kook?
#271. To: Dakmar (#267)
Why am I still labelled a kook?
#272. To: Esso (#271)
#273. To: wbales (#269)
Jews discount, discredit and mock Jesus Christ as the one and true son of God, yes???
#274. To: Dakmar (#270)
I thought I was automatic kook for being against Iraq war.
#275. To: Starwind (#274)
Well, the evidence is in, and it appears the kooks are the ones who started the war.
#276. To: Dakmar (#275)
Rapture Monkey / Zionist kooks? You with me so far?...
#277. To: Starwind (#274)
#278. To: Starwind (#276)
Too much 'short hand'...you lost me now... explain please?
#279. To: Dakmar (#277)
#280. To: wbales (#263)
Detail, exactly and specifically, the benefits to America and Americans from the American-Israeli relationship.
#281. To: Starwind (#279)
#282. To: Dakmar (#278)
I believe a radical pro-Israel syndicate has managed to grab hold of power no country in their right mind would grant.
#283. To: Flintlock (#264)
100% braindead rapture rodent
#284. To: Phaedrus (#283)
Well, you're Bozo'd, Bozo.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#285. To: Starwind (#282)
They're not terribly bright people (aside from domestic political intrigue) in exceedingly complex situtations, acting on typical motivations of fame, power, greed, ego... and they make a lot of bad decisions, some that favor Israel, some that don't.
#286. To: Dakmar (#285)
that a bunch of idiotic cowboys are able to trash the ENTIRE WESTERN TRADITION, not to mention putting a huge strain on National Guard recruiters, without some sudden kink in the revenue stream were it some rogue hatchet boobery.
#287. To: Starwind (#286)
It is complex, and they're not too bright and Israel didn't benefit from everything and the billions spent directly and indirectly on Israel is miniscule compared to the trillions that got misspent on everything else.
#288. To: Dakmar (#287)
You have to understand, I'm hateful about every cent stolen from my pocket that doesn't in some way benefit me. A million times so when my money is used against me.
#289. To: Starwind (#288)
#290. To: Phaedrus (#280)
Detail, exactly and specifically, the benefits to America and Americans from the American-Israeli relationship.
#291. To: wbales (#290)
Detail, exactly and specifically, the benefits to America and Americans from the American-Israeli relationship ... Pretty please. With sugar on top.
#292. To: Phaedrus (#66)
Thank you for your clarity and your courage.
#293. To: Starwind, All (#292)
#294. To: Phaedrus, Zoroaster, christine, zipporah (#291)
...and I don't deal well with personal attacks,...
#295. To: wbales, Arator, Phaedrus (#294)
>> You seem to have dealt this personal attack on Zoroaster with ease.
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