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Title: Debate on 4um censorship--Weigh In!
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Published: Jul 24, 2005
Author: Christine and Zipporah
Post Date: 2005-07-24 23:28:38 by christine
Keywords: censorship--Weigh, Debate
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Comments: 295
Because concerns by several members have been posted to us, both publically and privately, about the free speech "allowed" on 4um, we have decided to create three new categories. The primary hot button is that of the Israel/Jewish/Zionism topic. We do not wish to censor and we also do not wish to offend (in reality, unavoidable, as what
offends one may not offend another) anyone. With the availability of specific categories, each individual may eliminate an entire subject that he/she wishes not to view via his/her personal 'setup' page.
In the spirit of cooperation, and with the goal of working toward a satisfying and pleasant forum experience for everyone, we'd like to request that you avail yourselves of these specific category selections when posting your articles. The three new categories are:
Israel/Zionism
All is Vanity
Author! Author!
We hope that you all feel that this is an equitable solution.
Christine and Zipporah
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#14. To: Kamala, Lady X, LeCroupier, lightmind, Littlelisa, lodwick, LostBody, markm0722, mars attack, Matt Giwer, Mekons4, mennyiben, mirage, Mr Nuke Buzzcut, MUDDOG, Neil McIver, NOLAJBS, OKCSubmariner, okisok, Old Fud, orangedog, Pissed Off Janitor, PnbC (#0)
FYI
A Bozo filter for subjects. Good idea. We are at the point where many Americans think the truth is offensive when applied to special groups. They think freedom of speech must be limited to accomodate these special groups. There is only one way of thinking acceptable to them- that which is defined by the special group and reinforced by the State. They believe that groups have rights and individuals have limited rights. They are conditioned to flip out when a special group is under fire. They are so conditioned that supporting Marxism is important to them. And now, the Reps sre as bad as the Dems. Reps now openly support cultural Marxism, diversity, multi culti and all the other BS. Thank you for providing a forum where we don't have to worry about the above.
FYI
Thank you for your comment.
let's start a catagory for who gets hauled off to the Gulog
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
The new Bozo filter may not be enough for the poster who called for censorship. He likes to control, and he wants noone to be able to post about his special group. He probably will not use the Bozo because he is driven to see the posts he wants to control. He acts like an agent of Israel, and feels a misplaced responsibility to defend Israel. Because he feels that Jews are oppressed by people like us in the 'aggressor' Marxist group. He is defending what he perceives to be the victim group, rooting for the underdog, so to speak.
FYI
Very kind and accommodating of you guys for those among us who cannot read words and ideas that may differ from our beliefs without suffering heart palpations; and then running, crying, to the forum owners for relief instead of simply moving on to the next topic that might interest them. Cheers, and thanks again for the most free forum on the internet.
Bingo! Some of these
gutless wonders think 'hate speech' is alive and well here in the states. What
a courageous few, eh? IMVHO, we're far better off without such cowards. I still
recall how some scattered when Mertz and Brian S were 'reported' to the nazi
SS. Sorry, time is growing short. It's time to toss the useless ones
overboard, especially those who use religion as a guise to censorship.
A little guy is sitting at the bar just staring at his drink for half an hour when this big trouble-making truck driver steps next to him, grabs his drink and gulps it down in one swig. The poor little guy starts crying. "Come on man. I was just giving you a hard time," the truck driver says. "I can't stand to see a man crying." "This is the worst day of my life," says the little guy between sobs. "I can't do anything right. I overslept and was late to an important meeting, so my boss fired me. When I went to the parking lot, I found my car was stolen and I don't have any insurance. I grabbed a cab home but, after the cab left, I discovered my wallet was still in the cab. At home I found my wife in bed with the gardener. So I came to this bar trying to work up the courage to put an end to my life, and then you show up and drink the damn poison."
i missed you two
LOL!!! Thanks for the hoot, Jim.
Bump My thoughts exactly In the immortal words of Devo: Freedom of choice Thanks for the ping. I always supported Israel and still do in theory, but have learned a lot of useful facts about Zionism. Don't censor anything!
(If you see flies at the entrance to the burrow, the ground hog is probably inside)
And, one for those who should be hung, or is that hunged? (Shortly after their trial or, is that after their short trial?)
we all know whom should be hunged
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
That's a good point. In my (humble) opinion and experience, Bayonne is exactly right. I would suggest watching for malcontents who are unsatisfied with the good faith effort you have made to find some middle ground between those who think these issues have merit and should be discussed and those who wish to see them quashed completely. In my mind, anyone who objected to being forced to view this kind of material should be thankful that you've voluntarily provided them an out. I think it was a very nice gesture on your behalf. It's commendable. Those who aren't satisfied with your (completely reasonable) solution likely just don't want the topic discussed at all, anywhere, by anyone at any time. Should they complain, IMO, you won't be able to placate these people and there's no use trying. They will attempt to force you into a position of having to choose between their patronage/participation and the content they disapprove of. If you don't side with them they will leave or threaten to leave in a very public manner and probably call you names. It's actually preferable to allow this, because should you concede, their demands will only increase and continue to increase until they are effectively controlling the direction of your forum, and your legitimate function would be reduced to some odd kind of proxy. FYI & IMVHO.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
It's such a shame these things don't happen more frequently in real life..
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
Yeah, I'm waiting for someone to call for a nanny bozo. This function will allow the forum nanny to see the posted article, but will bozo it for everyone else. I know of several people who lust after this function.
LOL ... how can you possibly know any of this? Thanks, Christine.
How did you know they were talking about you?
He doesn't.. any more than I do. However, it's a reasonable assumption based on past experience. It works like a slippery slope. Here's an example: First, it's the "anti-semitic" stuff that has to be banned.. Ostensibly because it's offensive and hurts the site. It's not a hot topic of mine, but I do read the occasional thread Then it's the "Kook" stuff. Again, the reason given is it hurts the site and taints everyone by association. Not a hot topic of mine either, but then again, why should I, you or anyone care if someone thinks we never landed on the moon? So what? Then it's "Bush Bashing" Once more it ostensibly hurts the place and makes us all look bad. It's "divisive" etc.. Then "Party bashing" "Catholic bashing" On and on.. Etc, etc, etc.. Well, that's sweet of you. It's nice to see that someone so opposed to this kind of content appreciates her effort. It's allot more than some people would do and I think she deserves a thanks.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
Is there any doubt?
Whatever ... I didn't appear here to start or finish a fight. Have a nice day, Jhoffa_, and thanks again, Chistine.
What are you talking about, Phaedrus? You and I have never corresponded privately and everything you have communicated regarding your feelings has been right on open forum! Ask Bayonne who he's referring to. I don't know. I can only assume just as you have!
No, no.. Don't get the wrong idea. It was a LEGITIMATE, no shit, compliment. I thought your thanking Christine was proper and very big of you under the circumstances. I just didn't want it to go unnoticed, that's all. You have a nice day also, Phaedrus
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
Trying to pay bills today and feeling like stealing the little guy's beverage myself... Does anything suck much harder than "Bill-Paying Day"? Gak.
As I've said, you have this "fairness problem", Jhoffa_ ... ;-} Thanks.
..running a forum? :P
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
Oh my gosh.. tell me about it.. It's been a slow month and both front windows are obscured by a product a customer destroyed himself and wants me to make good. Ugggh. Taxes are due for last quarter. Jack & Hemlock please!
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
:)
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
I'm not bothered by any of it, Christine. I do appreciate your efforts to be fair.
Thank you, I appreciate your saying so.
I just realized a few things about hate speech: The issue of hate speech, publicized often for all Americans to see, maintains the victim status of special groups and instills a sense of guilt in the majority that they are unaware of on the surface. Everyone in the majority that is not PC is a kind of criminal in our system. Not only that, Americans that abide by PC live with a subtle fear- that they will say the wrong thing or think the wrong thing. This is what totalitarianism does to individuals. There is a constant campaign of conditioning against individuals in the majority in our media- to instill guilt, reinforce certain govt powered groups as perpetual victims, and cement the majority as predatory and aggressive in its relationships with the victim groups. Guilt serves to neuter the majority when groups are working against them- which is always. The majority feels subconsciously that the special groups deserve the power they usurp. I say usurp, because the more power groups get, the less power the individual is able to exercise. Its no coincidence that the rampant collectivism present in the US coincides with the rise of the American police state. These groups claim they need power and rights to fight off aggression, hate. We are told that free speech deemed as hate by the tot Marxist-like system can lead to violence and even another holocaust. Mission accomplished. As these groups work against the majority and reinforce collectivism, the individual stands silent when being attacked in this Marxist inspired class warfare. At this point, he has accepted the Marxist doctrine as ethical and cannot even see the aggression of the special groups, backed with the full power of the fed govt. He has bought the argument that indiv rights are not only not important, but a threat that will lead to violence if freedom of speech is not ended. He believes the ADL is a defensive org, and that all they want is equality. What they actually want is superiority at the expense of the individual. The power source for the ADL, taken by the govt, is the individual. If you accept what I am saying, think about how are system has been hijacked. Think about the collectivism rampant in the US. Think of how are politicians serve groups and not individuals. Think of the fact that the ADL and other groups panned this whole mess we're in. The propaganda and conditioning we are subjected to by the media, systematically, is a crime. The propaganda is so massive that individuals in the majority accept the above. They think collectively now. They believe groups have natures and deserve power to 'protect' themselves. They lose their sense of individuality, their awareness of their God given rights. They have accepted collectivism over individuality. The exact opposite of the founding 'fathers' vision. This is because they have been conditioned to be slaves. BOTS place no value on individual rights. At this point they actually seem to be hostile to indiv rights. So, hate speech is a false issue, used by groups to gain power and weaken the rights of the individual. The issue of hate was carefully thought out before implementation- there was a plan- we have been lied to for years. Certain groups mask their aggression toward the majority by conditioning the sheeple to feel guilty and feel that the aggression is actually justice- to make their group equal to the majority. Groups have chosen to segregate themselves via definitions they come up with for their group. So, groups and the fed govt create all this group politics we see. They choose segregation while the claim the opposite. No two groups can be equal so that stated goal is not real. Groups, especially based on race, constantly seek more power. The evidence is our system. One groups has gotten everything they want fom the US govt in the last 5 years. They want their group to be the strongest. Again, they're claims for equality are false. If they truly wanted freedom and equality, they would not have segregated themselves in the 1st place- they would have sought total integration- with each individual, regardless of race, being equal and enjoying the same freedoms and rights. Instead, as they fought for integration publicly, they secretly employed segregation to fight for the collective group. The most successful group, out of many, in employing the above has been the Jews. They have used their victim class status, our predator class status, implementation of guilt thru the holocost, and very real political power that the fed gov gave them so that they are almost above the law in some respects.
Great names for the new categories! Does everyone understand how the Category Filter works? I did not until yesterday. You check the categories you do not want to ever see.
Since I'm still "in the system," my one little form of resistance is to defer making any "contributions" until October 15th of each year. Perhaps by this time next year, we will all have liberated ourselves from this voluntary system - I hope and pray. Cheers.
that's it in a nutshell! great post.
You wanted to remove my 1st amendment rights that I enjoy on this forum-
This is an act of aggression against me- an individual. I realize it is hard
for you to grasp this, because you are a conditioned Marxist. Groups have no
right to use coercion to stop my free speech. Only the individual has rights.
You can fight to change the Constitution, but until then my individual rights
to critize groups and individuals is primary. You attemped to control me by
getting the owners to remove some of my rights. Jewish groups have no
protection against my criticism. You assign a group rights and power and this
is wrong. You are saying that the 1st amendment does not apply when thinking
about Jews, because they are a special group that has the 'right', not to be
critised on certain grounds they dictate. If what you demanded came to pass,
the Jewish group would effectively have the power to remove my 1st amendment
rights. This is a form of tyranny. Jews as a group fight to gain power in our
system, so that eventually they can override the majority's will. We may be at
that point. We are at the point where I not only have to worry about groups,
now I have to worry about Americans like you that take the position of the
coercive group instead of that of protecting my rights- you fellow citizen.
The founders gave individuals the rights we enjoy because they protected us
from tyranny. The govt group, or any other group, could not get away with
aggression towards indivs and could not CONTROL individuals. Since all
individuals have the same rights, the system treats all like equals. Removing
rights from the individual and giving groups power over indivs is a form of
tyranny. My question to you is: Why did you sell me out, trying to remove
rights from me, a fellow American, to advance the agenda of Jewish groups that
work against me 24/7? You are a cultural Marxist in the way you approach
this situation. Certain things should not 'be allowed' Worse, you want the
State to ultimately enforce this. It is clear you support hate crime laws. You
have abandoned the founding principles.
It's not a hot topic of mine, but I do read the occasional thread Then it's the "Kook" stuff. Again, the reason given is it hurts the site and taints everyone by association. Not a hot topic of mine either, but then again, why should I, you or anyone care if someone thinks we never landed on the moon? So what? Then it's "Bush Bashing" Once more it ostensibly hurts the place and makes us all look bad. It's "divisive" etc.. It goes a little along the lines of that famous quote from Pastor Martin Niemöller, So, you see it is the same old crap that the Nazis pulled, and the Germans allowed by it their silence and acquiesence. We only hurt ourselves by allowing the persecutions for thought crimes and crimes by association and so forth. It is a vicious and never ending cycle. If we allow it, soon there will be no one left to speak out. I will resist this evil to my last breath.
"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron
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#22. To: Bayonne (#19)
The new Bozo filter may not be enough for the poster who called
for censorship. He likes to control
#23. To: Jethro Tull, all (#22)
email joke:
#24. To: Bayonne (#19)
#25. To: crack monkey, Axenolith (#0)
#26. To: lodwick (#23)
#27. To: lodwick, Christine, Dakmar (#21)
Very kind and accommodating of you guys for those among us who cannot read words and ideas that may differ from our beliefs without suffering heart palpations; and then running, crying, to the forum owners for relief instead of simply moving on to the next topic that might interest them.
Is what you got
Freedom from choice
Is what you want
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#28. To: christine (#16)
#29. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#18)
"et's start a catagory for who gets hauled off to the Gulog"
#30. To: wakeup (#29)
#31. To: Bayonne, Christine, Zipporah (#19)
The new Bozo filter may not be enough for the poster who called for censorship.
#32. To: lodwick (#23)
#33. To: Bayonne (#19)
The new Bozo filter may not be enough for the poster who called for censorship.
#34. To: Bayonne, christine (#19)
The new Bozo filter may not be enough for the poster who called for censorship. He likes to control, and he wants noone to be able to post about his special group. He probably will not use the Bozo because he is driven to see the posts he wants to control. He acts like an agent of Israel, and feels a misplaced responsibility to defend Israel. Because he feels that Jews are oppressed by people like us in the 'aggressor' Marxist group. He is defending what he perceives to be the victim group, rooting for the underdog, so to speak.
#35. To: Phaedrus (#34)
....how can you possibly know any of this?
#36. To: Phaedrus (#34)
LOL ... how can you possibly know any of this?
Thanks, Christine.
#37. To: crack monkey (#35)
How did you know they were talking about you?
#38. To: Jhoffa_, Christine (#36)
#39. To: Phaedrus (#34)
#40. To: Phaedrus (#38)
Whatever ... I didn't appear here to start or finish a fight.
#41. To: Jhoffa_ (#32)
#42. To: Jhoffa_ (#40)
#43. To: lodwick (#41)
Does anything suck much harder than "Bill-Paying Day"?
#44. To: lodwick (#41)
#45. To: Phaedrus (#42)
#46. To: christine (#39)
What are you talking about, Phaedrus? You and I have never corresponded privately and everything you have communicated regarding your feelings has been right on open forum! Ask Bayonne who he's referring to. I don't know. I can only assume just as you have!
#47. To: Phaedrus (#46)
#48. To: all (#22)
Bingo! Some of these gutless wonders think 'hate speech' is alive and well here in the states.
#49. To: christine, Zipporah, All (#0)
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#50. To: Jhoffa_ (#44)
Taxes
#51. To: Bayonne (#48)
Think of how are politicians serve groups and not individuals.
#52. To: Phaedrus (#34)
#53. To: Jhoffa_, christine, Phaedrus (#36)
First, it's the "anti-semitic" stuff that has to be banned.. Ostensibly because it's offensive and hurts the site.
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out — because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me — and there was no one left to speak out for me."
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