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Title: 'Fight the Smears' Website Admits Obama was Kenyan Citizen: Where's the MSM?
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Published: Nov 28, 2008
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Following the controversy over the authenticity of  Barack Obama's birth certificate can be a bit confusing with all its detailed analysis. Your humble correspondent will leave that up to the experts. However, in response to the charge that Barack Obama is not an American citizen, Obama's Fight the Smears website, quoting FactCheck.Org, has made a bombshell admission...Barack Obama was once a citizen of Kenya. You read that right, Obama had Kenyan citizenship until 1982. Here is the startling admission published in Fight the Smears (emphasis mine):

 “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.”

So according to Fight the Smears itself, Obama's Kenyan citizenship expired on Aug. 4, 1982 meaning he held Kenyan citizenship until that point. This is astounding and so far no mainstream media outlet has reported on it. Will some reporter out there be so bold as to ask Obama if he was a Kenyan citizen until his 21st birthday as his own website concedes? 

Until reading of this Kenyan citizenship admission, I thought the lawsuit claimng that Obama was born in Kenya filed by Clinton supporter, Phil Berg, in Philadelphia was of minor import. However, by responding to it in the way it did, the Fight the Smears website has just opened up a big can of worms for Obama in its admission that he was a citizen of Kenya until 1982.

Meanwhile, instead of simply producing the original birth certificate in court and put the matter to rest, the Obama campaign seeks to evade that action by attempting to dismiss the lawsuit entirely. Here is the latest report on this lawsuit from the Phoenixville News:

PHILADELPHIA — Presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee filed a joint motion in federal court Wednesday to dismiss a lawsuit challenging the Illinois senator to prove he's a citizen of the United States.

On Aug. 21, four days before the Democratic National Convention, Lafayette Hill attorney Philip Berg filed suit in Philadelphia seeking to remove the Democratic candidate from the November ballot claiming he was born in Kenya and not in America.

Berg asked the court for a temporary restraining order "prohibiting Obama from being formally confirmed as the Democratic Party nominee for president," according to court papers.

The Federal Election Commission was also named as a defendant in the legal action.

A day after the suit was filed, a federal judge denied the motion for a temporary restraining order.

When rumors emerged last summer questioning whether Obama was born Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Hawaii, his campaign posted a certificate of live birth on its Web site.

In a press statement circulated Wednesday by Berg's law office, the attorney insisted the Democratic candidate was born in Africa and thus ineligible to run for president.

"It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the 'qualifications' to be president of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his 'Vault' (version) Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist," the press release reads.

The suit seeks to compel the senator to produce the long version of his original birth certificate.

The motion to dismiss filed Wednesday called the suit's allegations "ridiculous and patently false," and argues the court lacks legal standing to challenge a presidential candidate's qualifications.

While Berg argued the case against Obama on constitutional grounds, Obama's attorney claims Berg must show a "specific and individualized injury" to prove standing in the case rather than a hypothetical one.

Earlier this year, a similar suit brought against Republican presidential candidate John McCain's and the Republican National Committee claimed that McCain wasn't "a natural born" citizen, having been born in the Panama Canal Zone while his father was serving in the military.

That suit was dismissed in July on grounds the plaintiff lacked standing in the case.

A minor lawsuit that seemed to be just a small irritant has now caused the Obama website to respond by admitting that he was once a Kenyan citizen. Where is the MSM on this? Which brave reporter will quote Obama's own website to him? Until now, there has been absolutely no mention in the mainstream media that we have a presidential candidate that once held citizenship with another country. 

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.”

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It is obvious you believe our politicians are good people and always tell us the truth I guess. Unfortuantely, it is attitudes like yours that make it possible for those like Hitler, Castro, Mao and the others to accomplish their evil and immoral goals. If you think those in high government positions don't use both their money and taxpayer money to promote propaganda then I'm not sure if you live the in the real world.

Here, maybe these few clips from the National Security Archive will help you understand.

TO: Members of the Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments

FROM: Advisory Committee Staff

DATE: June 27, 1994

RE: Methodological Review of Agency Data Collection Efforts: Initial Report on the Central Intelligence Agency Document Search

This initial report provides: (1) background on the Central Intelligence Agency, its involvement with human experimentation, and its records; (2) a description of the CIA's records search; and (3) staff observations and recommendations to the Committee for future action.

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

1. CIA History and Records

The CIA was created in 1947 to serve as the government's principal intelligence collection and analytical agency, as well as to engage in covert actions to influence events in foreign countries through propaganda, economic, political, and paramilitary means. In the 1950s and 60s, the CIA engaged in an extensive program of human experimentation, using drugs, psychological, and other means, in search of techniques to control human behavior for counterintelligence and covert action purposes. The possibility that CIA itself engaged in human radiation experiments emanates from references in a 1963 CIA Inspector General's (IG) report on Project MKULTRA, which was a program "concerned with research and development of chemical, biological, and radiological materials capable of employment in clandestine operations to control human behavior."

MKULTRA was the subject of extensive internal, congressional, and outside investigations in the 1970s. In 1973, the CIA purposefully destroyed most of the MKULTRA files concerning its research and testing on human behavior. In 1977, the agency uncovered additional MKULTRA files in the budget and fiscal records that were not indexed under the name MKULTRA. These documents detailed over 150 subprojects that the CIA funded in this area, but no evidence was uncovered at that time concerning the use of radiation.

CIA records are maintained at CIA Headquarters and the CIA record center. Most older records, before 1980, are in paper form with electronic databases of the file-folder titles. The MKULTRA files are held by the CIA General Counsel, although most have been released to the public.

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2. CIA Search Process

The Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) directed a search for records on human radiation experiments on January 4, 1994, even before the President called on agencies to search for records. The initial phase of the search uncovered no records. Accordingly, on January 21, 1994, the Acting DCI established a Human Radiation Experiments Steering Group composed of representatives from all the directorates and the DCI area to continue the search.

The CIA's search process focused principally on whether the CIA itself "deliberately subjected human beings to ionizing radiation, whether in tests to determine the effects of radiation on human beings or in efforts to discover operational uses for radioactive substances or their emissions." Memorandum from David Gries to Human Radiation Experiments Steering Group, Jan. 21, 1994 (unclassified excerpts) ["Gries Memo"] [Attachment 1.]. Gries made clear that the search should not be limited to U.S. citizens, but also should include tests on foreigners, as well as "on animals to see if human testing was also contemplated." The Gries Memo stated that "it will not be sufficient to simply check the results of computer-driven keyword searches. In some cases, important folders will have to be searched by hand." The Gries Memo did not explicitly refer to the 1949 Green Run experiment or other intentional releases that may have been tied into Soviet nuclear weapons development (although there is a reference to radiation "emissions"). The CIA also contacted at least 22 former employees and other persons with knowledge about its activities.

3. Findings to Date

To date the CIA has uncovered no records on agency involvement in human radiation experiments or relating to intentional releases of information. The agency has provided the Committee with its regulations on human experiments dating from 1976. Part of one document is currently classified, and the agency is attempting to declassify it [Attachment 2.]

4. Observations and Recommendations

The CIA appears to have conducted a thorough search for records on its use of radiation on humans. It has not focused as extensively on records relating to intentional releases, nor on foreign intelligence information and reports that may have influenced other agencies to conduct experiments. The CIA's search is continuing, and the agency has indicated its willingness to respond to specific search suggestions from the Committee. Staff has identified four main areas on which the CIA should focus its search, with greater emphasis on CIA intelligence on Soviet weapons activities and experiments that may have influenced the conduct of other agencies.

2 I. INFORMATIONAL SOURCES

CIA representatives met with Committee staff on June 16, 1994. Following that meeting, the CIA provided information concerning its search process in response to a staff request. Prior to the meeting. the CIA had provided information on ethics procedures dating from 1976.

II. HISTORY/ORGANIZATION OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY

A. General

The CIA was created in 1947 under the National Security Act which also established the Department of Defense (by merging the War and Navy Departments and creating an independent Air Force) and the National Security Council. The agency was largely modelled on the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), which served as the principal intelligence organization during World War II and engaged in intelligence collection, analysis. and covert actions.

The primary motivation for a peacetime civilian intelligence organization, which never before existed in the United States, was to create a centralized mechanism to provide senior policymakers with objective intelligence analysis based on information collected by the military services and other agencies. The CIA has maintained a significant analytical function, and from the beginning it also possessed its own intelligence collection capability - i.e., espionage. And within a short time, the CIA also began to engage in covert actions to influence events in foreign countries through propaganda, economic, political, and paramilitary means.

The head of the CIA is the Director of Central Intelligence (DCD)1{1 From 1961-65, the DCI was John A. McCone, who had previously been the head of the Atomic Energy Commission. }; he is also head of the entire intelligence community, which consists of the intelligence services of the military branches, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, the National Reconnaissance Office, and several others. The CIA is currently divided into four directorates: Operations (DO), Intelligence (DI), Science and Technology (DS&T), and Administration (DA). DS&T was not created until 1962, and Operations used to be called Plans (DDP). In addition, there are a number of CIA components that come directly under the DCIs control (DCI Area), including the General Counsel, the Inspector General (1G), the Comptroller, the Office of Congressional Affairs, the National Intelligence Council (which produces National Intelligence Estimates [NIE's]), and the Center for the Study of Intelligence (which includes the CIA Historian).

3 B. Radiation Experimentation and Related Intelligence

1. EXPERIMENTATION:

In the 195Os and 60s, the CIA engaged in an extensive program of human experimentation, using drugs, psychological, and other means, in search of techniques to control human behavior. The possibility that CIA itself engaged in human radiation experiments emanates from references in a 1963 CIA Inspector General's (IG) report on Project MKULTRA, which was a program "concerned with research and development of chemical, biological, and radiological materials capable of employment in clandestine operations to control human behavior." The IG report apparently quotes from MKULTRA implementing documents that "additional avenues to the control of human behavior" were to include "radiation, electroshock, various fields of psychology, sociology, and anthropology, graphology, harassment substances, and paramilitary devices and materials."2{2 The IG report itself is still classified. This language was referenced in the investigative reports of the Rockefeller Commission and the Senate Church Committee. See Final Report of the Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Governmental Operations, Book I, at 389-90, 94th Cong. 2d Sess., No. 94-755 (Apr. 26, 1976) ("Church Committee").}

The CIA states that it conducted human experimentation using every listed "avenue" except radiation. The agency states that after an extensive search, it has found no records of any kind indicating that the agency used or even explored the possibility of ionizing radiation on human.3 {3 The CIA did investigate the use and effect of microwaves on humans in response to a Soviet practice of beaming microwaves on the U.S. embassy. The agency determined that this was outside the scope of the Advisory Committee's purview.} (They did find a reference to an experiment involving the use of irradiated LSD on laboratory animals for purposes of tracing the drug.)

MKULTRA was motivated by perceived Soviet, Chinese, and North Korean use of mind control techniques. The CIA's human behavior program originated in 1950 under the name BLUEBIRD and under the control of the Office of Security. For the next two years, control interchanges with the office of Scientific Intelligence, and the name changed to ARTICHOKE. MKULTRA formally began in April 1953 as a special, clandestine funding mechanism for all human behavior research. It was run by the Technical Services Division (TSD) in the DDP, for potential use in espionage and covert action. It was the subject of investigations by the Rockefeller Commission in 1975, the Senate Church Committee in 1976, and hearings by Senator Kennedy in 1975 and 1977. Among the many known experiments, the most well-known were the LSD testing and brainwashing.

4 Most of the MKULTRA records were deliberately destroyed in 1973 by the order of then DCI Richard Helms, who waived the internal CIA regulation (CSI-7O-l0) governing retirement of inactive records.4 {4 Helms testified that he agreed to destroy the records because "there had been relationships with outsiders in government agencies and other organizations and that these would be sensitive in this kind of a thing but that since the program was over and finished and done with, we thought we would just get rid of files as well, so that anybody who assisted us in the past would not be subject to follow-up questions, embarrassment, if you will." Church Committee, Book I, at 404.} The Church Committee found some records, but also noted that the practice of MKULTRA at the time was "to maintain no records of the planning and approval of test programs." Church Committee, Book I, at 406. MKULTRA itself was technically closed out in 1964, but some of its work was transferred to the Office of Research and Development (ORD) within the DS&T under the name MKSEARCH and continued into the l97Os.5{5 John Marks, in The Search for the "Manchurian Candidate" cited one ORD project that involved bombarding "bacteria with ultraviolet radiation in order to create deviant strains."}

In response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request in 1977, the CIA came upon additional MKULTRA files in its Budget and Fiscal Section that were not indexed under the name MKULTRA (if they had been, they would likely have been destroyed in 1973).6{6 The CIA representatives informed staff that in 1978 the agency conducted a comprehensive search for any records concerning MKULTRA and related activities in light of the failure to locate records for the Church Committee that were then found in 1977, suggesting that any additional controversial activities concerning human testing in the 1950s and 1960s would likely have been uncovered then. All of the MKULTRA files that were recovered by the CIA have been preserved and are now held by the CIA's General Counsel.} These documents were the subject of the 1977 Kennedy hearings and the book by John Marks titled, The Search for the "Manchurian Candidate" (1979). These records list a total of 149 MKULTRA subprojects involving human testing, none of which involved radiation. The CIA noted that there were 33 additional subprojects that "have nothing to do either with behavioral modification, drugs and toxins, or any closely related matter."7 {7 Joint Hearing on Project MKULTRA. The CIA's Program of Research in Behavioral Modification, before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and Subcommittee on Health and Scientific Research of the Senate Human Resources Committee, 95th Cong., 1st Sess., at 10 (Aug. 7, 1977) [Kennedy Hearing].} These 33 have probably not been declassified.

5 The CIA worked closely with the Army in conducting the LSD experiments.8{8 The Church Committee reports that one of the three principal functions of the Special Operations Division (SOD) of the U.S. Army Biological Center at Camp Detrick, Maryland was to conduct "biological research for the CIA." Church Committee, Book I, at 395. In early 1952, SOD agreed "to assist CIA in developing, testing, and maintaining biological agents and delivery systems. By this agreement, CIA acquired the knowledge, skill, and facilities of the Army to develop biological weapons suited for CIA use." Id. at 389. Thus, many of the early CIA LSD tests were conducted at Ft. Detrick. In the late 1960s, much of the work of MKSEARCH, at TSD, was transferred back to Ft. Detrick.}

This connection with the Army is significant because MKULTRA began at the same time that Secretary of Defense Wilson issued his 1953 directive to the military services on ethical guidelines for human experiments. In 1975 the Army Inspector General reviewed Army policies in relation to its LSD drug testing program and issued a report that found that in 1953 clear guidelines existed in the Army with respect to human testing, but were not followed in this case. The closeness with which the CIA and Army worked on some of these experiments suggests that the CIA may have had some knowledge of these ethical standards as well. The Army IG report, however, did not cover CIA participation in the experiments.

2. INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS:

A major function of the CIA is to collect and analyze information about foreign countries. It is statutorily prohibited from collecting information or engaging in operations in the United States (with some exceptions, and the notable violations of the 50s-6Os). Its principle mission throughout the Cold War was monitoring and seeking countermeasures to Soviet military and intelligence developments. Thus, the CIA has collected and analyzed a massive amount of information on Soviet atomic and radiological warfare activities. The CIA, moreover, chaired the Joint Atomic Energy Intelligence Committee,9 {9 The ]second director of the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence (OSI) who sat on the JAEIC, was Dr. Marshall Chadwell. He came to the CIA in 1950, after serving as the Deputy Manager of the New York field office of the AEC} which was the principal government body responsible for monitoring the Soviet nuclear weapons program, and may have played a role relating to the Green Run. Because the CIA did not focus its search on these types of records, looking rather for human experiments, it is not yet clear whether it has records relating to the Green Run and other intentional releases. The agency may have reported on such Soviet activities as the biological and psychological effects of atomic weapons; treatment of radiation injury; and nuclear propulsion and related research safety, which may have influenced other U.S. agencies in their research on the effect of radiation on humans.

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3. ETHICAL GUIDELINES FOR HUMAN EXPERIMENTATION:

In the wake of MKULTRA, President Ford issued the first Executive Order on Intelligence Activities that, among other things, prohibited "experimentation with drugs on human subjects, except with the informed consent, in writing and witnessed by a disinterested third party, of each such human subject and in accordance with the guidelines issued by the National Commission for the Protection of Human Subjects for Biomedical and Behavioral Research." Executive Order 11905 (Feb. 19, 1976). The CIA subsequently issued guidelines implementing the Executive Order and have provided them to the Committee.

Subsequent Executive Orders by Presidents Carter and Reagan expanded the directive to apply to any human experimentation: "No agency within the Intelligence Community shall sponsor, contract for, or conduct research on human subjects except in accordance with guidelines issued by the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare. The subject's informed consent shall be documented as required by those guidelines." Executive Order 12036,  2-302 (Jan. 26, 1978); Executive Order 12333,  2.10 (Dec. 4, 1981). The CIA revised its guidelines accordingly. However, one section of the most recent guidelines given to the Committee was classified -- HR 7-1a(6)(c)(4). (Attachment 2.) The CIA has reported to staff that it is attempting to declassify this section.

Throughout the course of MKULTRA, the CIA sponsored numerous experiments on unwitting humans. After the death of one such individual (Frank Olson, an army scientist, was given LSD in 1953 and committed suicide a week later), an internal CIA investigation warned about the dangers of such experimentation. The CIA persisted in this practice for at least the next ten years. After the 1963 IG report recommended termination of unwitting testing, Deputy Director for Plans Richard Helms (who later became Director of Central Intelligence) continued to advocate covert testing on the ground that "positive operational capability to use drugs is diminishing, owing to a lack of realistic testing. With increasing knowledge of the state of the art, we are less capable of staying up with the Soviet advances in this field." Church Committee, Book I, at 402. The Church Committee noted that "Helms attributed the cessation of the unwitting testing to the high risk of embarrassment to the Agency as well as the 'moral problem.' He noted that no better covert situation had been devised than that which had been used, and that 'we have no answer to the moral issue.'" Id.

The 1963 IG report states that the MKULTRA testing programs were "conducted under accepted scientific procedures...where health permits, test subjects are voluntary participants in the programs." Church Committee, Book I, at 422 (quoting IG report). However, the Church Committee noted that "[t]his was clearly not true in the project involving the surreptitious administration of LSD, which was marked by a complete lack of screening, medical supervision, opportunity to observe, or medical or psychological follow-up. The intelligence agencies allowed individual researchers to design their project. Experiments sponsored by these researchers...call into question the decision by the agencies not to fix guidelines for the experiments." Id.

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III. DESCRIPTION OF CIA SEARCH

A. Guidelines/Logic

The CIA's search for records began in January 4, 1994. Director of Central Intelligence James Woolsey directed David Gries, then director of the CIA's Center for the Study of Intelligence, to oversee the search, and appointed a steering group of representatives from each of the directorates and from offices dealing with congressional, legal, public, and historical issues to coordinate the effort. Instructions were then issued to the records managers of each of the directorates on how to conduct the search.

The CIA states that its search to date has encompassed an electronic review of approximately 34 million documents, a hand review of 480,300 documents, plus nearly 50 interviews.10 {10 The CIA provided staff with a list of 22 persons whom it contacted; the identities of the remaining persons are classified.} It appears, however, that the primary focus of the search was limited to the use of ionizing radiation on humans. At a meeting with staff on June 16, 1994, the agency indicated that it had searched for records concerning the intentional release of radiation, but not specifically for the "Green Run," because it was apparently not aware of that event when the search was conducted. In response to that meeting, the agency has begun to search for such records.

B. Search Organization/Staffing

The DCI appointed David Gries, the Director of the Center for the Study of Intelligence, as chair of the Human Radiation Experiments Steering Group in charge of the search. Gries also served as the CIA representative to the inter-agency working group. He retired from the CIA in mid-June, 1994, and has been replaced by John Pereir. Representatives from the DCI Area, DI, DO, DS&T, and DA also sit on the Steering Group. Many of the directorates have different record keeping systems, which themselves have changed over the years. Messrs. Gries, Pereira, representatives from each of the directorates, the DCI area, and the CIA Historian's Office met with Committee staff on June 16, 1994 to review the search process and discuss substantive questions.

At that meeting, Mr. Gries reiterated the substance of his statement before the Committee on April 22, when he asserted that the CIA has done an extensive search and found no evidence that the "CIA sponsored or conducted experiment [sic] using ionizing radiation on human beings." Mr. Gries acknowledged that the CIA's search process is not foolproof and that it has made mistakes in the past in failing to uncover records it possessed. He indicated that the search process would continue and that the CIA would welcome guidance from the Committee for specific search requests.

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Although the CIA has offices around the world and elsewhere in the United States. its records are maintained in and controlled by CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia and at the CIA records center (which is independent from the National Archives and the federal records centers). The main database that the CIA has been searching is the Agency Records and Information System (ARCINS), which contains information on the holdings of most of the major components in the Agency Archives and Records Center. The data base contains subject listings down to the folder level.

The following is a description of the record system in each of the four directorates and the DCI's offices and the CIA's report of its search process.

(1) Director of Central Intelligence Area. The files under the control of the DCI are in paper from years 1947-80, and are indexed in the ARCINS. The agency conducted a key word search of these files for topics dealing with human radiation experiments. Many of the MKULTRA files, which are held by the General Counsel, were searched by hand; the agency also contacted and interviewed former staff who were involved in or had knowledge of MKULTRA projects, including Richard Helms and Sidney Gottlieb, the Director of TSD who ran the MKULTRA programs. It does not appear that the agency contacted persons on the IG staff who prepared the 1963 IG report on MKULTRA.

(2) Directorate of Science and Technology. The DS&T used the ARCINS and focused its search primarily on two of its offices: the Office of Technical Service (formerly the TSD that conducted MKULTRA) and the Office of Research and Development. The directorate pulled approximately 30 cubic feet of documents and is still engaged in a hand search of this material. The agency brought in two retired persons ("annuitants") with knowledge of these activities to help with search.

(3) Directorate of Intelligence. The DI has three central data bases which are computerized index systems of raw and finished intelligence reports (depending on the time frame), as well as two hard copy indices. The former are queried by subject categories, area codes, and/or key words. The documents themselves (not merely "folder titles") are indexed. The initial search was for any records relating to ionizing radiation experiments on humans. In those instances where there is no keyword capability, broad subject codes were linked with the United States: i.e., if a document referred solely to foreign activities not including the United States, it would not have surfaced. (Soviet atomic bomb developments were not the subject of the initial request.) The DI also searched for records archived by the office of Scientific Intelligence using ARCINS for topics dealing with human radiation experiments. Approximately 18,600 pages were reviewed by hand, and no responsive documents were located. OSI files are still under review, and the Directorate is conducting additional searches based on new information supplied by the Committee.

(4) Directorate of Administration. The DA's files are indexed primarily by name. However, it also searched the Office of Security, because of its early involvement in MKULTRA.

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and pulled 60 feet of records. The initial search did not include references to Soviet testing, because relevant key words were not available at the time: reviewers were subsequently asked if they recalled mention of Soviets and/or Soviet testing in the materials reviewed; the answer was no.

(5) Directorate of Operations. The DO has an automated index system that contains subject files and personality flies. They did a key word search that resulted in 14 feet (approximately 29,000 pages) of listings, totalling 252,000. All of those have been searched, and no records concerning to human radiation testing were found.

C. Classification

Virtually all records that the CIA produces are classified. The CIA has initiated an openness policy and is in the process of declassifying large amounts of historical records, such as its files on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The CIA reported to the Committee that its search of records was not limited by any classification, and that it has found no classified records on experiments relevant to the Committee. As noted above, one section of an internal regulation on human testing was originally classified, but the CIA is in the process of declassifying it. (See Attachment l.) The agency has agreed that the Committee and staff can review classified information that they believe may provide helpful background information once appropriate security clearances have been obtained. Portions of the agency directives initiating the search process in January 1994 are classified; staff has received redacted versions, and will be able to review the entire document once clearances are obtained.

D. Results to Date

The CIA provided to staff copies of its ethics regulations on human testing since they were first formally developed in 1976. It has also provided material on the search process, including search directives, description of databases, list of keywords and search terms, and list of persons contacted. It has found no evidence that it administered ionizing radiation on human beings. It is continuing to search its records for intelligence information relating to the Green Run and other possible intentional releases.

E. Agency Observations/Concerns

The CIA is reasonably confident that it has no records concerning CIA involvement in human radiation experiments and that the CIA in fact did not engage in such activities. It states that it has devoted thousands of person-hours to searching for any such information, and has come up with nothing. It is willing to conduct additional searches for specific records based on suggestions provided by the Committee.

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IV. STAFF OBSERVATIONS

The CIA states that it has devoted a considerable amount of effort in searching its records, including reviewing more than 480,000 pages of hard copy documents. CIA representatives have also expressed their willingness to follow specific guidance from the Committee for any additional material. As noted above, the CIA's search focused almost exclusively on human radiation experiments by the CIA itself. The agency did not initially search for records concerning the Green Run and other intentional releases.

Moreover, the electronic database searches, although encompassing 34 million documents, were limited by the contents of the databases themselves. In some cases, only the file subject is accessible (and the files may contain multiple documents). Because there is no way of electronically retrieving information or documents that may be within a file but are not referenced by the file title, there is still a possibility that the CIA possesses relevant information that it has not found. However, it is not clear that there is any more effective way to conduct the search than has been done.

V. STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS

I. Staff recommends that the Committee direct it to continue to work with the CIA in searching for records discussed in this memorandum.

II. Staff recommends that the Committee should recommend to the CIA that it:

(1) focus its search on records about intentional releases of radiation, such as information collected on: Soviet activities that may have influenced U.S. policy concerning the Green Run; CIA's role on the Joint Atomic Energy Intelligence Committee (JAEIC); search directives to the DO on Soviet plutonium production in the late 1940s;

(2) explore, in consultation with staff, the fruitfulness of searching for records about perceived national security threats and foreign advantages that may have been disseminated to other agencies and thus influenced them to undertake human experiments: e.g., radiological warfare, nuclear propulsion (including safety research), biological and psychological effects of atomic weapons, treatment of radiation injury:

(3) continue to search for ethics related documents prior to 1976 -- e.g., CIA records that may relate to the 1953 Secretary of Defense Wilson memo on human experimentation;

(4) complete its search for records on the use of ionizing radiation on humans.

www.picosearch.com/cgi-bin/ts.pl

Among the CIA’s early scientific interests were “special” interrogation methods, including the use of drugs and chemicals, hypnosis, and isolation. A number of CIA units, including OSI, the Inspection and Security office, and the Technical Services Staff would be involved in investigating such techniques. In 1949-50 experiments were conducted under a program designated BLUEBIRD, which subsequently became known as ARTICHOKE.

This memo written in 1975, as such CIA activities were about to become the focus of Congressional and public attention, provides a brief history of these efforts through 1960, and includes a short discussion of the death of Frank Olson, who committed suicide after a CIA official secretly administered a dose of LSD to the Army scientist under a program designated MKULTRA.

www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB54/st02.pdf

www.picosearch.com/cgi-bi...rel&opt=ALL&query=MKULTRA

CIA, mind control, Nazis, mk-ultra, ritual abuse information

eassurvey.wordpress.com/2...ritual-abuse-information/

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-11-28   9:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

With all due respect, I read that and it is bovine fertilizer. No sane person spends upwards of a million dollars to hide a birth certificate.

You're trying to reason with a Loon. His mother ship from planet 'CutNPaste' doesn't even want him back.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-28   9:22:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Your right... I have not fallen into the our government and politicians always do what is in the best interest of the people nor have I become complacent like many of you.

Over the years, I have had the privilege of meeting and having discussions with people who came to America from countries known for their adherence to totalitarianism: China, Russia, and former east European satellites of the Soviet Union. When we discussed how the state managed to control public opinion under totalitarianism, these people would usually produce a weary, knowledgeable, cynical smile and point out that propaganda in those countries was really done quite incompetently. If you really want to know propaganda, they said, you need to study American propaganda technique. According to them, it is, undeniably, the best in the world.

"How can that be?" I asked, honestly puzzled.

Propaganda in those countries was too obvious, they told me. As soon as you read the first sentence you knew it was a bunch of propaganda, so you didn’t even bother to read it. If you heard a speech, you knew in the first few words that it was propaganda, and you tuned it out.

"But," I then queried, "How do you know when it’s just propaganda?"

The expatriates explained that bad propaganda uses obvious terminology that anyone can see through. Anyone hearing the phrase "capitalist running dogs", knows he’s listening to incompetent propaganda and tunes it out. Lousy propaganda, these knowledgeable but jaded individuals would tell me, appeals to an abstract theory, to a rational thesis that can be disproved. Even though communists had total control of the press, the people just tuned it out (except for those who were the most mentally defective). Most people, they assured me, just went about their lives as best they could, paid lip service to the state, and just tried to keep out of the way of the secret police. But hardly anyone really believed the stuff. The result, after many decades of suffering, was the eventual collapse of the old order once The Great Leader expired, whether his name was Brezhnev, Mao, or Tito.

American propaganda, however, is much cleverer. American propaganda, they patiently explained, relies entirely on emotional appeals. It doesn’t depend on a rational theory that can be disproved: it appeals to things no one can object to.

American propaganda had its birth, so far as I can tell, in the advertising industry. The pioneers of advertising—a truly loathsome bunch—learned early on that people would respond to purely emotional appeals. Abstract theory and logical argument do nothing to spur sales. However, appeals to sexiness, to pride of ownership, to fear of falling behind the neighbors are the stock in trade of advertising executives. A man walking down the street with beautiful women hanging on his arms is not a logical argument, but it sure sells after-shave. A woman in a business suit with a briefcase, strolling along with swaying hips, assuring us she can "bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan, but never let you forget you’re a man" really sells the perfume.

Let’s take a moment and analyze the particular emotions that this execrable ad appealed to. If you guessed fear, you win the prize. Women often have a fear of inadequacy, particularly in this confused age when they are expected to raise brilliant kids, run a successful business, and be unfailingly sexy, all the time. That silly goal—foisted upon us by feminists and popular culture—is impossible to reach. But maybe there’s hope if you buy the right perfume! Arguments from intimidation and appeals to fear are powerful propaganda tools.

American advertising and propaganda has been refined over the years into a malevolent science, based on the assumption that most people react, not to ideas, but to naked emotion. When I worked at an ad agency many years ago, I learned that the successful agencies know how to appeal to emotions: the stronger and baser, the better. The seven deadly sins, ad agency wags often say, are the key to selling products. Fear, envy, greed, hatred, and lust: these are the basic tools for good propaganda and effective advertising. By far, the most powerful motivating emotion—the top, most-sought-after copy writers will tell you, in an unguarded moment—is fear, followed closely by greed.

Good propaganda appeals to neither logic nor morality. Morality and ethics are the death of sales. This is why communist propaganda actually hastened the collapse of communism: the creatures running the Commie Empire thought they should appeal to morality by calling for people to engage in sacrifice for the greater good. They gave endless, droning speeches about the inevitably of communist triumph, based on the Hegelian dialectic. Not only were they wrong: their approach to selling their (virtually unsellable) theory was not clever enough. American propagandists (we can be jingoistically proud to say) would have been able to maintain the absurd social experiment called communism a little longer. They would have scrapped all the theory and focused on appealing images. Though the Commies tried to do this through huge, flag-waving rallies, the disparity between their alleged ideals and the reality they created was just too great.

One tyrant who did take American propaganda to heart was Adolph Hitler. Hitler learned to admire American propaganda through a young American expatriate who described to him, in glowing detail, how Americans enjoyed the atmosphere at football games. This American expatriate, with the memorable name of Ernst "Putzi" Hanfstängl, told the Führer how Americans could be whipped up into a frenzy through blaring music, group cheers, and chants against the enemy. Hitler, genius of evil as he was, immediately saw the value in this form of propaganda and incorporated it into his own rise to power. Prior to Hitler, German political rhetoric was dry, intellectual, and uninspiring. Hitler learned the value of spectacle in whipping up the emotions; the famed Nuremberg rallies were really little more than glorified football halftime shows. Rejecting boring, intellectual rhetoric, Hitler learned to appeal to deeply emotional but meaningless phrases, like the appeal to "blood and soil." The German people bought it wholesale. Hitler also called for blind loyalty to the "Fatherland," which eerily echoes our own new cabinet level post of "Homeland" Security.

If you study Nazi propaganda, you will be struck by how well it appeals to gut-level emotions and images—but not thought. You will see pictures of elderly German women hugging fresh-faced young babies, with captions about the bright future the Führer has brought to German. In fact, German propaganda borrowed the American technique of relying, not so much on words, but on images alone: pictures of handsome German soldiers, sturdy peasants in native costume, and the like. Take a look at any American car commercial featuring rugged farmers tossing bales of hay into the backs of their pickups, and you’ve seen the source from which the Nazis borrowed their propaganda techniques.

The Germans have a well-deserved reputation for producing a lot of really smart people, but this did not prevent them from being completely vulnerable to American-style propaganda. Amazingly, a nation raised on the greatest classical music, the profoundest scientists, the greatest poets, actually fell for propaganda that led them into a hopeless, two-front war against most of the world. Being smart is, in itself, no defense against skilled American propaganda, unless you know and understand the techniques, so you can resist them.

American politicians learned, early in the twentieth century, that using emotional sales techniques won elections. Furthermore, they learned that emotional appeals got them what they wanted as they advanced towards their long-term goal of becoming Masters of the Universe. From this, we get our modern lexicon of political speech, carefully crafted to appeal to powerful emotions, with either no appeal to reason, or (better yet) a vague appeal to something that sounds foggily reasonable, but is so obscure that no one will bother to dissect it.

Franklin Roosevelt understood this, which is why he called for Social Security. Security is an emotional appeal: no one is against security, are they? Roosevelt backed up his campaign with a masterful appeal to emotions: images of happy, elderly grandparents smiling while hugging their grandchildren, with everything in the world going right because of Social Security. All kinds of government programs were sold on the basis of appealing images and phrases. Roosevelt even appealed to America’s traditional love of freedom, spinning that term by multiplying it into the new Four Freedoms, including Freedom from Want and Freedom from Fear. Well, what heartless human being could possibly be against that? The Four Freedoms were promoted with images of parents tucking their children cozily into bed, and a happy family gathered around a Thanksgiving dinner, obviously free from want. The campaign was also based on that most powerful of all selling emotions: fear. If you don’t support Social Security, the ads suggested, you will live your last years in utter destitution.

Putzi Hanfstängl, viewing Roosevelt’s evil brilliance from Nazi Germany, was probably jealous.

American advertising executives learned the value of presenting a single image or slogan, and repeating it over and over again until it became ingrained in the public’s consciousness. Thus we are all aware that Ivory Soap is so pure that it floats: a point that has been repeated for the better part of a century. I’m not sure why I should be impressed that a bar of soap floats, but on the other hand, it’s not intended that I think that far. Politicians now sell their programs the way the advertising creeps sell soap: they dream up a slogan and repeat it over and over again. Thus we get empty slogans like The New Frontier, The New World Order (that one was poorly chosen; it sounds too much like an actual idea), or Reinventing Government (an idea that everyone should favor, except that the idea behind it really means Keeping Government the Same, only no one is supposed to think that far). Empty grandeur sells political products.

Both German and American politicians carried the use of banners to new heights. Flags are impressive emotional symbols, particularly when waved by thousands of enthusiastic people: it’s a rare individual who can resist the collective enthusiasm of thousands of his fellow human beings, cheering about their collective greatness. Putzi Hanfstängl understood this, advising Hitler to fill his public spectacles with not just a few, but countless thousands of swastika flags. The swastika, too, was a brilliant stroke of advertising and propaganda: it has become, in the public consciousness, the official emblem of Nazism, even though it had nothing to do with Germany. In fact, swastikas were used by ancient Hindus and American tribes, but I’m not aware of it being used by anyone in Germany prior to Hitler.

Now observe how Americans in the current crisis have taken to displaying huge flags on their cars. Flags are not rational arguments; they are instruments for whipping up the Madness of Crowds. Observe how many Americans have, with a straight face, called for a constitutional amendment to outlaw flag desecration, oblivious to the obvious contradictions such an amendment would have with the rest of the Constitution. But again, if you learn nothing else about propaganda, learn that it must not appeal to rationality.

Politicians don’t just use warm, fuzzy images to sell us on the road to tyranny. They also need emotional appeals to intimidate their enemies. Thus the small percentage of the population that really does use thought and reason more than emotion must be demonized. Roosevelt managed this with some masterful propaganda strokes. Those who opposed him were Isolationists, and Malefactors of Great Wealth! (The gut-level emotion appealed to here is envy.) Roosevelt thus showed himself to be an early master of what former California Governor Jerry Brown called "buzz words"; that is, words intended to silence counter-argument by appealing to unassailable emotional images. No one is for Isolation, and almost everyone reacts to an appeal to hate anyone who has a lot of money. The latter appeal, of course, had great power during the Great Depression, which Roosevelt managed to maintain for the entire length of his presidency, all the while blaming others for its evils. Was this guy an evil genius, or what?

The propaganda cleverness used in successfully branding anti-war people as Isolationists is breathtaking. After all, a rational person (ah, keep in mind, that’s not a common individual) realizes that those who oppose war are the exact opposite of isolationists. The Old Right at the time called for peaceful, commercial relations with all nations, based on neutrality in foreign affairs. If anything, those who oppose war and meddling in other countries’ affairs are the opposite of Isolationists as they really stand for open, profitable relationships with other countries. The people who stand for such ideas do not "sell" them by means of strictly emotional appeals, so they tend to lose the propaganda wars. When Roosevelt succeeded in whipping the country up into a war-frenzy after steering us into the Pearl Harbor fiasco, the Old Right realized their opposition to the war was hopeless.

The role of the government propaganda camps known as public schools cannot be discounted in all this. Schools are not so much centers of learning as they are behavior conditioning camps in which children are taught to be unquestioningly obedient to authority. Since reason and morality are the death of propaganda, schools busy themselves with systematically stunting students’ ability to reason and think in moral terms. Because the government owns the propaganda camps, it’s not surprising that the beneficiary of the propaganda is almost always the government. Americans accept obvious absurdities because they were drilled into their heads, year after year, in the government propaganda camps until they became true and unquestionable. Thus, everyone knows Roosevelt got us out of the Great Depression, even though the worst depression years were precisely those in which he and his party controlled every branch of government. Everyone knows Lincoln was a great president because he saved "government by the people" and freed the slaves, even though he became a war tyrant and only freed the slaves when it was politically convenient to do so. Wilson, everyone knows, made the world "safe for democracy", evidently by instituting a draft and getting America involved in a European war that was fought for reasons no one to this day can fathom. When minds are young and pliable—government experts understand this principle—you can fill them with nonsense that is practically impossible to root out. Laughable falsehoods in effect become true because everyone knows them to be true.

Advertising executives learned, early on, that companies could not be too obvious in using their propaganda. If their agenda could be clearly seen, then it could also be rejected. The answer to this problem was the American propaganda technique of the "independent expert" and the "guy on the street." One of these appeals to our timidity before authority, and the other to our smugness when dealing with someone at or below our perceived social level. Of course, these two techniques are really just two sides of the same coin. In product advertising, sports heroes and celebrities are used to sell corn flakes because no one would listen to the president of Kellogg telling us why corn flakes are so good. In selling detergent, plain-looking housewives are preferable to sexy models because they look just like us. In political propaganda, "experts" are often trotted out to tell us, in convoluted, circular reasoning, why minimum wage laws are really good for us, why a little bit of inflation is good, or why we just can’t rely on the free market for something so crucially important as education. Or, using the "guy on the street" approach, we are told to support idiotic wars because the common soldiers ("our boys"), cannot function unless they know we stand united behind them. If the rare sensible person tries to argue against war, he is accused of making things harder for "our boys."

This brings us to the latest iteration of masterful American Propaganda: the War on Terrorism. Any attempt to explain why the terrorists (crazed as they obviously were) felt motivated to attack the World Trade Center is looked on as "siding with the terrorists." Indeed, Ashcroft and Bush have said, in so many words, that if you don’t support them in everything they do, you stand with the terrorists. Ashcroft and Bush have evidently studied their propaganda lessons from World War II, when Roosevelt silenced all opposition by accusing anyone who stood against him of undermining the war effort. Anyone who suggests we should not risk World War III by invading the Middle East is alternately accused of siding with the terrorists, of slandering the memory of those who died, or (of course) of not "standing by our boys" in times of great need. It’s easy to feel alienated in a nation of flag-wavers singing patriotic hymns. The fact that they are marching lockstep to a world in which the government will monitor their e-mail, snoop into their bank accounts, and eventually throw them in jail for voicing opposition doesn’t seem to bother them one bit.

Now, most libertarians or otherwise thoughtful people will react with dismay when told that most of their fellow human beings react so unthinkingly to sock-you-in-the-gut emotional propaganda. Unfortunately, most people are not capable of really thinking things out. Most people really do buy perfume because of the emotional imagery. Most people really do believe the "independent expert", whether in politics or buying a car. Most people want to go with the crowd, or follow the leader. To do otherwise requires independent thought and the willingness to be ostracized, which is an unbearable psychological burden for many.

If you want to take heart, remember that the Vietnam War ended because a few people just continued to speak against it, despite the overwhelming government propaganda for it. The fact that a lot of the anti-war protesters were motivated by the wrong reasons (support of commies), doesn’t matter in light of the fact they were able to turn the tide. They were right, even if for the wrong reasons. If advocates of freedom continue to speak against the creeping tyranny that our masters justify on the phony grounds of the War on Terrorism, we might just be able to prevent the transition from Republic to Empire. The thing about propaganda is that, once it is exposed for what it is, no one listens anymore. People tune it out, just as the slaves in Russia and China learned to tune out their official propaganda.

www.purewatergazette.net/propagandainamerica.htm

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-11-28   9:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If this is the best that the Obamaphobes can produce, it speaks more about their microscopic IQ than anything else.

There is no dispute whatsoever that Obama's daddy was a Kenyan.

The stupid author of this sensational piece seems to not dispute that Obama was born in Hawaii and that his mother was an American citizen.

What seems to get this dunce super-excited is that, it was POSSIBLE that Kenya MIGHT have granted Obama Kenyan citizenship IF he requested it, because his daddy was a Kenyan. It's like, let's say, any of the millions of American Jews, such as the much-loved-by-JT Lieberman, could claim and be in fact granted Israeli citizenship if their mother was a Jewess and they requested it. Or, half of the posters at this site could be granted Moon citizenship given that they happen to be certifiable Lunatics.

However, Obama did NOT request Kenyan citizenship so he wasn't granted it. And, even if he did, it's not up to the Kenyan government to decide who is or is not an American citizen. American citizenship is granted by birth and it's NOT lost just because the government of some other country decides to view an American- born citizen as a citizen of their country.

So, if any of these threads could raise just a tad above the level of abysmal cretinism at which they all stand now, I may take them a little more seriously some day.

Until then, if you happen to be a citizen of the Moon (a Lunatic that is) then... keep up the faith.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-11-28   9:38:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The stupid author of this sensational piece seems to not dispute that Obama was born in Hawaii and that his mother was an American citizen

Nobody doubts the possibility of that. What people are saying is simply this: "Proof, please."

That is all. How difficult can that possibly be? Should we take everyone at their word, like, oh, I don't know, say, Bush and weapons of mass destruction?

If you trust Obama without proof, you have to also trust Bush without proof.

Do you?

It is now time for Atlas to shrug.

mirage  posted on  2008-11-28   10:09:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Your right... I have not fallen into the our government and politicians always do what is in the best interest of the people nor have I become complacent like many of you.

i don't think there is one person on 4um who believes politicians always do what is in the best interest of the people. in fact quite the opposite. the only ones you could assume may feel that way, at least to the degree they are believing that HE is somehow different and a savior of sorts, are the obama voters.

how is it that you can accuse anyone here of being complacent? you don't know who we are. you don't know what we do in real life. you don't know the amount of activism or personal fights with the beast that many of us are involved in. don't you think that's presumptuous on your part?

christine  posted on  2008-11-28   10:20:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Firstly, I am commenting on this specific article, where the author, after accepting the reality of Obama's US birth, claims that he is no longer an American citizen because because he was eligible for Kenyan citizenship, had he asked for it - but he didn't and it's too late for him to do it now.

Many countries are eager to grant certain foreigners citizenship - Israel is one of them, Hungary is another, Russia is another. Does this mean that all Jews, Hungarian or Russian Americans are not Americans? Of course not. That's why the author is an idiot.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-11-28   11:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Does this mean that all Jews, Hungarian or Russian Americans are not Americans?

Most people with a clue view those people on a case-by-case basis. My opinion on dual-citizenship is that if you want to take US Citizenship and live here "forever" then you should give up your prior citizenship.

My opinion is also that if people engage in activities such as voting in foreign elections, acting as a foreign agent, or spending most of their time in the foreign country -- their US Citizenship should be revoked.

As for Obama, I want to see proof one way or the other and until something is shown and not just another politician saying "He is" -- well....

It is now time for Atlas to shrug.

mirage  posted on  2008-11-28   14:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It is obvious you believe our politicians are good people and always tell us the truth I guess.

You have obviously mistaken me for someone else. Direct me to a post--any freakin' post I have ever made--that shows I believe some stupid $#it like that. As for the rest of that stuff, it doesn't have a thing to do with why anyone would spend upwards of a MILLION DOLLARS to keep a ten dollar birth certificate from seeing the light of day. Does that not tell you that there must be something wrong somewhere? If it doesn't you probably can't be helped.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-11-28   14:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You're trying to reason with a Loon. His mother ship from planet 'CutNPaste' doesn't even want him back.

LOL! Thanks for the laugh, that's a good one. His screeds look like some $#it that BeALoser used to post on LP. I think his/their theory must be that if you can't dazzle them with your brilliance the second best thing is to baffle them with bull$#it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-11-28   15:02:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

With all due respect, I read that and it is bovine fertilizer. No sane person spends upwards of a million dollars to hide a birth certificate.

You're trying to reason with a Loon. His mother ship from planet 'CutNPaste' doesn't even want him back.

This is a standard Shill tactic. When pushed back into a corner and confronted with a question that they cannot answer without destroying their own case they spam the board with Cut-n-Paste which is not relevant to the argument at hand in an attempt to derail and divert the debate by putting up a mountain of irrelevant information to DISCOURAGE people from reading the thread.

It is obvious that Moonie Pie cannot answer the question posed by James i.e., why did the Obamessiah spend close to a Million Dollars in Legal Expense to avoid having to produce a document that should be easily and readily available for a minute fraction of that Million Dollars?

The obvious answer is that HE CAN'T because it does not exist.

For the same obfuscatory reasons his college admissions and transcript records have been sealed and hidden because they would show that Barry, Barack Hussein Obama, Soetoro of Jakarta, Indonesia was a foreign student.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-28   15:15:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

LOL! Thanks for the laugh, that's a good one. His screeds look like some $#it that BeALoser used to post on LP. I think his/their theory must be that if you can't dazzle them with your brilliance the second best thing is to baffle them with bull$#it.

They all start off looking normal, and then you notice their helmet is on too tight. ;)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-28   15:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Excellent post.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-11-28   15:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It is obvious that Moonie Pie cannot answer the question posed by James i.e., why did the Obamessiah spend close to a Million Dollars in Legal Expense to avoid having to produce a document that should be easily and readily available for a minute fraction of that Million Dollars?

The obvious answer is that HE CAN'T because it does not exist.

That's exactly right, and though he swears he did not vote for Obama he seems unable to tolerate rational legitimate questions, that all should have be they D's or R's.

So that leaves us with yet another question, for whom does the shill toil?

Masta Dohlla?

There is also an issue greater than SnoBama. If the USSC kicks this, what other foreign national or alien without without a BC, may then use this precedent to 'run' for office? Dual-citizens sort of come to mind. It's coming down to the USSC to disclose whose Constitution they follow. It certainly isn't ours. The Rockefeller NEW Constitution?

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-28   15:29:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They all start off looking normal, and then you notice their helmet is on too tight. ;)

Yeah, cuts off the circulation and leaves them hopelessly retarded. At least if the Obamaphiles who post on here are any indication.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-11-28   15:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They all start off looking normal, and then you notice their helmet is on too tight. ;)

Yeah, cuts off the circulation and leaves them hopelessly retarded. At least if the Obamaphiles who post on here are any indication.

Oh, they're actually bright and well informed compared to some of the rank, very rank, and file Obamessiah worshippers I've run into. I have literally seen what amounts to a shrine to the Obamessiah in a couple of different cubicles. (I'm surprised they did not have lit candles.) By comparison ours are much more rational (which says a lot).

No more time to play - gotta run for now.

Just remember John Paul Jones - no quarter asked.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-28   15:40:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, cuts off the circulation and leaves them hopelessly retarded. At least if the Obamaphiles who post on here are any indication.

It would be funny if it wasn't true.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-28   15:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

By comparison they are much more rational (which says a lot).

That is saying a lot. Ick.

No more time to play - gotta run for now.

Have fun.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-28   15:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh, they're actually bright and well informed compared to some of the rank, very rank, and file Obamessiah worshippers I've run into. By comparison they are much more rational (which says a lot).

No more time to play - gotta run for now.

Just remember John Paul Jones - no quarter asked.

You mean you actually know people who are out walking around in public who don't think it is anything unusual or nothing wrong with someone spending so much money to hide the proof that he is eligible to hold the office he seeks? And they are allowed to run free?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-11-28   15:56:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

These attackers of Barack Obama (PBUH) will not go unnoticed. Rahmbo will take care of them, either with his trusty knife or off at gitmo or one of the other fine concentration camps we have set up for "dissident" and all others who besmirch the name of the one who is most holy! Yes, we can!

Obama4America  posted on  2008-11-29   14:42:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are a stark raving world commie lunatic. You people make the Jorge Bushies and Barry Obama Soetoro's selectable.

Koo-koo, koo-koo, koo-koo. What Constitution? What Republic? Where's my brain? Mommy? Polly want a cracker?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-29   15:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama4America

too late for satire. Sorry !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-29   15:58:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

How dare you speak to someone who probably worked (for free) on barack's campaign!

He has a lot invested in our savior.

Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. I am the one we've been waiting for. I am the change that we seek. Barack Obama

Obama4America  posted on  2008-11-29   15:59:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

too late for satire. Sorry !

It will be too late for satire after he gets sworn in.

Trust me.

Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. I am the one we've been waiting for. I am the change that we seek. Barack Obama

Obama4America  posted on  2008-11-29   16:00:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The deep cover moles will have their day. That's a promise.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-29   16:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It will be too late for satire after he gets sworn in.

Trust me.

It was too late years ago. Maybe decades.

Keep your powder dry, take one shot and move plus give no quarter, no mercy.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-29   16:03:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

15:15:15 ET

WTF????????!!!!!!!!!

Lady X  posted on  2008-11-29   16:06:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Buy seeds and store food.

And watch out for brown kids in brown clothes.

Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. I am the one we've been waiting for. I am the change that we seek. Barack Obama

Obama4America  posted on  2008-11-29   16:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Buy seeds and store food.

Better start with rural ground that can be defended by you and some family/friends.

Stockpiles and gardens; in short, anyTHING inside the checkpoint zones will be worthless to you. Except of course weaponry/ammo.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-29   16:07:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But how will it end?

Will it be slow and horrible or fast and silly?

That is the question.

Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. I am the one we've been waiting for. I am the change that we seek. Barack Obama

Obama4America  posted on  2008-11-29   16:10:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I say attack and take the element of surprise.

Bloody either way, but what the hell..fight to win.

Reacting won't work imo.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-29   16:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But how will it end?

With Jesus and the Judgment Seat.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-29   16:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I say attack and take the element of surprise.

Bloody either way, but what the hell..fight to win.

Reacting won't work imo.

The only problem, is that I think china may come in and take advantage of the situation.

That, and you don't know what law enforcement/millitary is not yet ready for "change".

Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. I am the one we've been waiting for. I am the change that we seek. Barack Obama

Obama4America  posted on  2008-11-29   16:14:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The only problem

There are so many problems, where to start can be added to the list.

I say wipe out the cabal; make it too painful for quislings and their masters to touch America.

Send them to their lucifer I say.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-29   16:18:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think china may come in and take advantage of the situation.

I'd invite the chicomms to offer themselves up on the spit, frankly.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-29   16:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

15:15:15 ET

The numbers again.

wudidiz  posted on  2008-11-29   16:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

15:15:15 ET

The numbers again.

Cue melodramatic music: Ooooo oooooooooo oooooooo oooooo!

As the hair goes up on the backs of our collective necks we can consider that we do live in a rather interesting time and there are many forces at play - seen and unseen. Many prophetic traditions - Hopi, Zuni, Mayan, Incan, Nostradamus, and Revelations seem to be converging on this time. The odd synchronicities are a bit spooky. I would be scared but most of the traditions also predict that the good guys will win in the end.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-29   23:33:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The numbers again.

Indeed. Coinkydinky no doubt.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-11-29   23:45:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As the hair goes up on the backs of our collective necks we can consider that we do live in a rather interesting time and their are many forces at play - seen and unseen.

Amen brother.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-11-29   23:50:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hate those facts that come from the National Security Archives don't you? LOL.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-12-01   0:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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