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Title: Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head
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The New American
URL Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/562
Published: Dec 2, 2008
Author: Written by Kurt Williamsen
Post Date: 2008-12-02 22:57:52 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: Obama, Berg, Citizenship Scandal, Birth Certificate Fraud
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Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head Written by Kurt Williamsen Tuesday, 02 December 2008 20:54 As we have reported earlier in our article "Barack Obama and the Citizenship Scandal," it has been alleged that Barack Obama is ineligible to become president for two reasons: evidence has come forward that Obama was born in Kenya, not the United States as required by the Constitution (because only one of Obama's parents is an American); and even if he was born here, his mother relinquished his citizenship by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen. This story has gained credence, separating it from Internet rumors, because Obama has reputedly hired three law firms (firms, not lawyers) to make sure that no one gets access to his birth records in Hawaii or his college transcripts from Occidental College and Harvard. (It is speculated that the transcripts will show he applied for aid to foreign students.) Philip J. Berg, a lifelong Democrat, sued to see Obama's original birth certificate, but a court ruled that because Berg was not in some way harmed by Obama — monetarily, physically, or reputation-wise — he was not a plaintiff in good standing. This action by the court put a temporary end to the belief that we would ever know the answer to the accusations. But now the claim is flaring up again for several reasons: • Alan Keyes, a presidential candidate of the American Independent Party, and Markham Robinson, a California elector, have now sued to see Obama's birth certificate (these men would definitely have legal "standing" to sue as plaintiffs in this case). • The We the People Foundation took out a full-page ad in the Chicago Tribune about the scandal. • On Friday, December 5, the Supreme Court will have a "conference" on the question of Obama's citizenship. (If four out of the nine justices vote to hear the case, oral arguments may be scheduled.) Obama supporters have derided attempts to challenge Obama's citizenship as merely sour grapes by sore losers, and they point to the website FactChect.org, as well as a statement by Hawaii's Department of Health Director who said Obama has a legitimate birth certificate, as proof of their rightness. (Various quotes by Obama's supporters also make it clear that they don't care whether or not he was born in the United States, or whether or not the Constitution is upheld.) Those pressing the issue note that FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and that Obama was on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. They note also that Hawaiian Health Department officials did not state that Obama has an original birth certificate from Hawaii. In fact, what Obama has given to FactCheck.org to prove his citizenship is not a birth certificate, but a certificate of live birth, something that would not ordinarily be accepted as legal proof of citizenship. Also, it is suspicious that no doctors or nurses have come forward and said that they were at Obama's birth in Hawaii, but Obama's grandmother in Kenya has been taped saying that she was at his birth in Kenya. Is Obama hiding something? Most likely yes. A person just doesn't spend something on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep one's birth records a secret unless one has something to hide. I personally have had to provide my birth certificate to several employers before they would agree to hire me. For a normal person, showing one's birth certificate is not a big deal. I've also had to give out my college records — again, not a big deal. But that leads to important questions: should this be pursued, and will it succeed? Yes, it should be pursued because to ignore it is to say that the Constitution is no longer the law of the land and is instead just an old piece of paper. Will it succeed? In my opinion, no. Neither the Supreme Court, nor the electors who will soon cast their votes for president, are impartial bodies. But that is not an argument for not pursuing it. — AP Images
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#84. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#79)
who would that be and how do you know? if you're accusing TwentyTwelve of such, you are wrong. his LP moniker was TwentyTwelve. who else are you accusing?
There is no morality in war. Morality is the privilege of those judging from the distance. War is only death and destruction.--John Cory
I've seen that paranoia once before in another member.
EVIDENCE Despite the assurances of the Obama campaign, the dominant media and Internet commentators, significant unresolved questions still exist regarding Mr. Obama’s ability to meet the explicit requirements of the U.S. Constitution to hold the office of President as a natural born citizen who has not relinquished his American citizenship. Official government documents, statements by officials, affidavits, credible legal pleadings and statements by Mr. Obama’s globally dispersed family members give rise to these questions. Unfortunately, Mr. Obama has remained virtually silent against these allegations, refusing to produce his original (vault), certified, birth certificate as well as other legal documents that are normally readily available, which would quickly resolve the eligibility issue. In fact, the only document provided by Mr. Obama thus far is a 2007 computer-generated Certification of Live Birth, (“COLB”), generated by officials of the state of Hawaii, purportedly at the direction of the Governor and two U.S. Senators. This “short-form” document is NOT the same as the original vault copy (i.e., “Certificate of Live Birth”) as it does not bear a sworn certification of an attendant (physician) or contain other vital birth information such as hospital location, mother’s age, etc. The sample vault copy shown here is a copy of a legal “Certificate of Live Birth” obtained at the request of a person born in Hawaii in 1963. Given the statement of facts included in Mr. Berg’s lawsuit and additional evidence summarized herein, Mr. Obama’s continued failure to squarely address this festering issue suggests he is hiding something regarding the true nature of his citizenship. Absent a rebuttal by Mr. Obama, we believe a reasonable jury would conclude, after reviewing all the evidence, that Mr. Obama does not meet the eligibility requirements. Although the Internet is awash in unsubstantiated assertions and bits and pieces of evidence, we have chosen to focus on several of the most clearly articulated items of evidence. The Berg Lawsuit In August 2008, Pennsylvania attorney Phillip Berg filed a lawsuit seeking to enjoin Barack Obama from running for President unless he produced certain legal documentation establishing his status as a “natural born” citizen. Here is Berg’s initial complaint. What follows is a brief overview of some of the lawsuit’s allegations followed by links to the currently available evidence. a. Mr. Obama’s father was a citizen of Kenya, Obama’s mother was a U.S. Citizen. They met while both were attending the University of Hawaii. There is apparently no question regarding these facts. b. Mr. Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii -- Citing Obama family sources, Berg claims that Obama’s mother, while residing in Kenya, was not allowed by Kenyan authorities (because of her late-stage pregnancy) to fly back to the U.S. before she gave birth to Obama in Kenya. c. Mr. Obama is a citizen of Kenya, not the U.S. – Citing U.S. law in effect in 1961, Mr. Berg argues Obama could not possess U.S. citizenship because Obama’s mother, although a U.S. citizen, was only 18 years old. U.S. immigration law in 1961 explicitly denied U.S. citizenship at birth to children of mixed national parentage, unless the U.S. citizen parent (in this case Obama’s mother) had resided in the U.S. for 10 years, 5 of those required to be after attaining the age of 14. Because Obama’s mother was not yet 19, according to Berg, Obama was either a citizen of Kenya, or in the alternative, became a naturalized U.S. citizen. Either way, Berg argues Obama is not eligible to hold the office of President because he would not be a natural born citizen. NOTE: Attorney Leo C. Donofrio, in his recent brief to the Supreme Court of the United States makes an additional persuasive argument that Mr. Obama fails the eligibility test based on the historical context, purpose and original intent of Constitution’s the natural born citizen clause. After clicking on the following link, click here to read Mr. Donofrio’s arguments to the Supreme Court. d. Obama became a citizen of Indonesia – Following Mr. Obama’s mother’s divorce from Barack Obama (senior), she married Lolo Soetoro, a student at the University of Hawaii and a citizen of Indonesia. In 1967 she moved to Indonesia with Obama. She became a naturalized citizen of Indonesia, relinquishing her American citizenship. At the time, Indonesian law prohibited dual citizenships and American law disallowed dual citizenships if the other country did not allow dual citizenships. At this time, even if Obama was Registered as a “natural born” citizen (which he apparently he was not qualify to be registered as), he would have lost his U.S. Citizenship when his mother married Lolo Soetoro (who apparently adopted Barack Obama giving him the name of Barry Soetoro) and took up residency in Indonesia as a naturalized Indonesian citizen. Berg argues that at the time, Indonesia did not allow dual citizenships, and U.S. law did not allow dual citizenships if the other country did not allow it. FightTheSmears.com In 2007, Mr. Obama released a scanned graphic copy of a computer-generated Certification of Live Berth (“COLB”) via this campaign website, (www.fightthesmears.com). After numerous individuals began to question the authenticity of the document supplied by Obama, a “respected” political watchdog organization, FactCheck.org initiated an “independent” analysis of Obama’s COLB, which included physical examination of the document and photographs of the document. The organization concluded the document is authentic and that, as indicated on the certificate, Obama was therefore born in Honolulu, Hawaii. FactCheck.org apparently did not check the meaning of the content of the authentic, COLB. For instance, FactCheck.org did not determine if the authentic, Hawaiian issued, computer-generated, Certification of Live Birth was generated from a State database that included births that were registered in Hawaii after occurring in foreign countries. According to Berg, it was not uncommon for people living in Hawaii to give birth in foreign countries and then register the birth in Hawaii. Surprisingly, FactCheck.org apparently did not ask Mr. Obama to obtain a copy of the official vault copy of his birth certificate. Beside its apparent failure to investigate the proper document, an apparent conflict of interest exists regarding FactCheck’s analysis. FactCheck.org is an arm of the powerful Annenberg Foundation Statements By Hawaiian Public Officials on the Record On October 31, undoubtedly in reaction to the growing number of lawsuits surrounding the issue of Obama’s eligibility, Chiyome Fukino, director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, issued a public statement regarding her office’s inspection of Obama’s birth certificate. In her brief press release she stated: “There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. “No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii.” Unfortunately, numerous media and Internet outlets (see e.g., here, here) erroneously concluded this pronouncement settled the matter. In fact, the raises additional doubts about Obama’s citizenship status and, thus, his eligibility. At no point in the release does the Director of Health state or claim that Obama was actually born in Hawaii. She merely states she has personally inspected the original document in their possession and that it is being stored according to state regulations. Compounding the problem was the subsequent statement of Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo (see Chicago Tribune, 10-31-08). Citing Hawaii state privacy laws, and guidance from the state attorney general, she said she, “was not permitted to confirm the authenticity of the certificate released by the Obama campaign.” She also said Obama’s computer-generated COLB “appeared similar to other Hawaii birth certificates.” In sum, the statement by the Health Department spokesman Okubo does not speak to the substance or veracity of the Obama computer-generated document, only that its “form” appears similar. Nor does she address the issue of the meaning of the content of the document, and whether there is an actual long-form Certificate of Live Birth in the vault. Mr. Berg submitted photographic evidence to the Court indicating Obama, known then as “Barry Soetoro,” was enrolled by his parents (at approximately age 6) at the public Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia. This suggests he was adopted by his step-father. In the school document (which is also translated into English), Obama’s birth place is indicated as Honolulu, but his citizenship is indicated as Indonesian. As a minor, Mr. Obama’s citizenship went with the custodial parent, who, under Indonesian law had to be the father. Obama's name is given as “Barry Soetoro.” In a citizenship related PolitFact/St. Petersburg Times article, they provide a document they obtained from the Illinois Supreme Court’s Attorney Registration & Discipline Commission (ARDC) apparently indicating that the official records make no mention of any prior name except “Barack Hussein Obama.” The Sworn Affidavits Evidence recently made available to an Internet news (www.newswithviews.com) from the office of attorney Phil Berg, includes two (partially photographic) sworn affidavits containing important first-hand knowledge regarding Barack Obama, including testimony of a direct, in-person interview of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother in which she asserts she was present at Obama’s birth in Kenya. Read the sworn affidavits of Bishop Ron McRae and (includes a partial transcript of the grandmother’s interview) CONCLUSION Given the relative strength of the evidence and the public interest in the issue, Mr. Obama is obligated to respond to any citizen’s Petition for Redress of the apparent violation of the Constitution’s natural born citizenship clause. We the People demand and deserve nothing less. Click here to read the draft full-page USA TODAY Letter to Obama.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Click here to view a copy of the final text published in the Chicago Tribune Are you a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.? December 1, 2008 Mr. Barack Obama Kluczynski Federal Building Dear Mr. Obama: Representing thousands of responsible American citizens who have also taken an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America from all enemies foreign and domestic, I am duty bound to call on you to remedy an apparent violation of the Constitution. Compelling evidence supports the claim that you are barred from holding the Office of President by the “natural born citizen” clause of the U.S. Constitution. For instance: Your father was a Kenyan citizen at the time of your birth and your mother was 18. Legal affidavits state you were born in Kenya. Your grandmother is recorded on tape saying she attended your birth in Kenya. Hawaii Dept of Health will not confirm your assertion that you were born in Hawaii. You have posted an unsigned, computer-generated birth form that was created in 2007, a form that lacks vital information found on an original, hand signed Certificate of Live Birth, such as hospital address, signature of attending physician and age of mother. U.S. Law in 1961 denied U.S. citizenship to any child born in Kenya if the father was Kenyan and the mother was not yet 19 years of age. In 1965, your mother legally relinquished whatever Kenyan or U.S. citizenship she and you had by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen. You have repeatedly refused to provide evidence of your eligibility when challenged to do so in a number of recent lawsuits. Instead, you have been successful in having judges declare that they are powerless to order you to prove your eligibility to assume the Office of President. For instance, the judge in Pennsylvania ruled the challenger had no standing to question your eligibility because his harm would be no different from the harm to be suffered by all other American citizens if you, as an ineligible person were to assume the Presidency. The judge in Hawaii actually said it would be an invasion of your privacy for him to order access to your original birth certificate in order to prove your eligibility to hold the Office of President. Before you can legitimately exercise any of the powers of the President you must meet all the criteria for eligibility established by the Constitution. You are under a moral, legal, and fiduciary duty to proffer such evidence. Should you assume the office as anyone but a bona fide natural born citizen of the United States who has You would always be viewed by many Americans as a poseur - a usurper. As a usurper, you would be unable to take the required “Oath or Affirmation” on January 20 without committing the crime of perjury or false swearing, for being ineligible you cannot faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States. You would be entitled to no obedience whatsoever from the People. The armed forces would be under no legal obligation to remain obedient to you. No civilian in the Executive Branch would be required to obey any of your proclamations, executive orders or directives, as such orders would be legally void. Your appointments of Ambassadors and Judges to the Supreme Court would be void no matter what subsequent actions the Senate might take. Congress would not be able to pass new laws because it would not be able to acquire the signature of a bona fide President. As a usurper, Congress would be unable to remove you from the Office of the President on Impeachment, inviting certain political chaos including a potential for armed conflicts within the General Government or among the States and the People to effect the removal of such a usurper. In consideration of the escalating constitutional crisis brought on by the total lack of evidence needed to conclusively establish your eligibility, I am compelled to lodge a First Amendment Petition for a Redress of this constitutional tort. With all due respect, I ask that you immediately direct the appropriate Hawaiian officials to allow access to the vault copy of your birth certificate by our forensic scientists on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, December 5, 6 and 7, 2008. In addition, I ask that you to arrange to have the following documentary evidence delivered to the National Press Club by 10 am on December 8, 2008. a certified copy of your “vault” (original long version) birth certificate. certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham. a certified copy of your Certification of Citizenship. a certified copy of your Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity. certified copies of your admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School. certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing your name from Barry Soetoro. “In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.” Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this urgent matter. Sincerely, We The People Foundation For Constitutional Education, Inc. www.WeThePeopleFoundation.org 2458 Ridge Road Queensbury, NY 12804 "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Here you go little Traitor piglets, an opportunity to denigrate another Constitution loving patriot. Tell Bob Schultz what is. Pigs
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
i'm pinging icon since on another thread he claimed that Bob Schulz and the entire WeThePeopleFoundation organization are bigots. iconoclast, cite your evidence for that, please.
iconoclast, cite your evidence for that, please. Yeah, well. Don't hold your breath waiting for that particular RAT Obamacon Globalist to produce any evidence; 'cuz their ain't any. Feh
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
you're wrong about that, Mike. not only is there no organization, but there hasn't been one person who has complained to me about your presence here or who has requested that you be banned. in fact, any communication that i have received in private regarding you has been supportive of your right to speak and share your points of view. this has also been expressed to you publicly by a number of members as well. this you should know. each person here is responsible for their own words. as the forum owner, i do not and will not try to steer the direction of conversation, topics of discussion or opinions of the whole forum. Mike... I am presently a caregiver 24/7 so have little time for 4um and no time to read all of this thread. What Christine said above, you can take to the bank. You and I have agreed on very little for ten years but we do share mutual respect even tho I do take you to task for your language at times. If you were to be banned for your views, I would be gone also, if you were reprimanded for your language, I would applaud. I get thrown off threads for my stupidity and senility, but no one has urged my banishment. (yet) I have been thrown out of every forum except this one, so far, mostly because people will NOT tolerate opposing or differing viewpoints. You must admit, I am always right and you are nearly always wrong, but we get along. (hehehehehehehe) Freshen your language a tad and do a, "give 'em hell" Harry thing. I wont be here to either agree with you, nor to throw bombs at you, so belly up to the bar and drink with your FRIENDS.
Whoa. Bob wouldn't be THAT specific unless he had good info. In the generated crises that will come up after the Jan. 20th installation, I wonder if any of Obama's opponents will be targeted in some manner or another during the chaos. It's generally how political opposition is dealt with under usurpation.
I am speechless. Totally speechless. This tells me all I need to know. Great response Indie. We know them by their fruits and the jackboots they adore.
FRIENDS? No jackboot loving hatefilled self centered, confused arrogant twit and elitist Army warrior is concerned about 'friends'. It's about control. But I digress. Things are always about him. When legitimate questions arise for rational discussion, who ALWAYS turns it into a personal attack? This is to deflect and surpress the conversation about the policies of Team Obama and where our country is being led. Of course there are the other 3 bobbleheads staring out the back window to keep you from keeping your eyes on the road ahead. We are way past 'friendship' here, thanks to people just like him. I'll get out my little violin.
You know, it would probably be a simple matter to produce a certified copy of Oboingo's Kenyan birth certificate except that Kenya doesn't have a copier. Or anybody who can read or write. My guess is that once the precident of 'past practice' is set with a foreign president, the only candidates we'll see in the future will be an endless parade of Israeli Jews. There was a reason for running not one, but two foreign-born candidates. This wasn't by accident.
Being an Obama critic is to be in the minority opinion at the moment, but I think many or most of us on this board have been in this spot before in having been in the minority opinion re: Clinton and Bush II before the sheep caught up with us. What I find odd is that someone in the majority opinion (an Obamite) would come onto a minority opinion board and claim persecution. Obama appears to have cornered the self-inflicted martyr market.
We're on the same track. America's being conditioned for outright foreign rule as opposed to the from-the-behind-the-scenes foreign rule that we've been under for Lord only knows how many years.
i wholeheartedly agree.
So the question is, what is the motive? Obama appears to have cornered the self-inflicted martyr market. That's a fact and perhaps the answer to the question.
Perhaps this is why Obama was for a time referred to as the 'transitional' President.
Neither Oboingo or McStain were qualified according to the 'spirit' of the Constitution. People can fiddle-fart around endlessly mincing words about the "law," but the simple fact is that the founding fathers didn't want foreign influence controlling our government. Only one candidate met the requirements. You saw what happened to him in the primaries.
I think it might be to cast opposition to Obama as being irrational, racist hatred. P. would know via the server logs whether anyone is linking directly to Mike's (or anyone's) posts from Obamite boards.
He did fabricate the "Office of the President Elect" out of whole cloth. It's a foretaste of the rest of his They ran THREE foreign born candidates. The socialist party ran a guy that was born in Nicaraugua..
IndieTX: I am speechless. Totally speechless. Indie, you are not the only one shocked at ferret's statement. I'd call it the New Age - Dr. Phil interpretation of the US Constitution. Wow, just wow.
Damn girl. They can't get anything by you.
Interesting. I can see clearly now, the rain is gone, I can see all obstacles in my way Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind
And deflecting the conversation to anything other than policy. Any scrutiny of Obama's record, statements, affiliations, associations etc., were successfully dodged by he and his ilk. When cornered, they would blame Bush or pubs to again deflect from Obama. Now as we see with the birth certificate issue, it's important to look at McCain, but McCain isn't president elect. But it helps to water down the issue by tossing that in the mix as well. My opinion is that neither should holding public office and should be tossed out and forced to repay the taxpayers every dime and then some. But while we're on the topic of McCain, scorned 'twice' by the voters for the nations highest job, count on revenge.
He sure has, with tremendous help from the media. One has to wonder how long his 'ideas' have been on the shelf waiting for just the right state of chaos.
John McCain take revenge on who? And how?
But while we're on the topic of McCain, scorned 'twice' by the voters for the nations highest job, count on revenge John McCain take revenge on who? And how? Providing that ever-loving 'bi-partisan' support to the worst of temporarily stalled plans, such as amnesty. Bush pulled that same stunt over the last 8 years to have the rubes believeing there was a spirit of cooperation and that 'both parties' had a voice in the construct of the plan. This is intended to keep the myth of the two-party system alive as well.
Well I'll be.
Before you whine about your issue on a birth certificate that has gone from theory to lynch mob absolute status that this is gospel truth being a worthy crusade, step back from the bark of the tree it is and look at the entire forest. Barack Obama, even if this were true cannot and should not be deported, yet nobody corrects this as a lynch mob attitude on the issue exists here. I see President-elect Obama as having a very savvy understanding of the dynamics of lynch mob Swift Boating, and I full concur with the treating of this tempest in a teapot with the disdain it deserves. He and his team know there is no meat to this issue, and it is not requisite for them to educate those who just want to destroy him primarily for quite a different set of reasons and to serve the agenda of a different sort of political POV then that he represents. There is no separation here of opinion from the people expressing the thought, if you don't join the crusade, you are shit and deserve what you get. That is the mindset in here. And you show you are so sure of yourself, you have no intention of protecting anyone feeling differently then you. Have fun, as for myself I just as soon fain not be part of this confederacy of dunces partaking in this Lynch scene. It's been fun. But that was then, and this is now. Take care. That is worthy of a gem encrusted 24k gold frame. LOL! It seems to me that he cant convince too many regarding his communist POV, most people here aren't having any of it (because obama is truly a feces consuming fly larvae), and he is now throwing a tantrum. Who is worse, a bushbot or obama asskisser? Signed, A dunce, one among many. So many we are now a confederacy.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
No jackboot loving hatefilled self centered, confused arrogant twit and elitist Army warrior is concerned about 'friends'. It's about control. You're right, Olivia. Friends don't encourage multiculturalism, affirmative action, the empowerment of the ADL and buckets of socialism. Call us a committee of two, but 'friends' like these are no better than Judas goats. They're NTBT.
Thanks JT. JUDAS GOATS - EXACTLY!
He's going to inflict "comprehensive immigration reform" on us.
Listen up Pilgrim.... Tolerance and patience are virtues, violin playing is not.
Thanks JT. JUDAS GOATS - EXACTLY! OK, Pilgrims... Keep one thing in mind, when everyone agrees with me, there is something wrong and I start to worry. Mike unlike the cowardly types, is up front with his views, so far in left field he is out of the ballpark, but I still read 'em.
Cyni, The people Mike supports would put you and your family in chains. This isn't my opinion, history makes my case.
I was simply offering to join you in your concert for a coward.
I can play the whoopie cushion in the wind section....
Now we're talking ~ LOL!
Damn. You can be on my debate team anytime! His claiming to be a minority by the riduculous assertion about the purpose of the Constitution is classic leftist hypocrisy. You so exposed him in far fewer words that I used in post 71.
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#85. To: christine (#84)
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#86. To: Yellow Cake, bush_is_a_moonie, TwentyTwelve, Christine, JethroTull, IndieTX, lodwick, farmfriend, ALL (#81)
(See e.g., Findlaw immigration overview)
NOTE: Obama’s Hawaiian “Certification of Live Birth,” reviewed by FactCheck, was created in 2007. This raises an additional question as to what documentation Obama used to establish his citizenship to run for Illinois state Senator or U.S. Senator in 2006.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
This omission speaks volumes, strongly suggesting that either something may not be right with the official documentation produced by the Hawaii Department of Health or that the 2007 documentation proffered by Senator Obama may in fact be fraudulent.
Indonesian School records
#87. To: All (#86)
An Open Letter to Barack Obama:
Are you legally eligible to hold the Office of President?
Barack Obama Transition Office
230 So. Dearborn St.
Chicago, Illinois 60604
not relinquished that citizenship, you would be inviting a national crisis that would undermine the domestic peace and stability of the Nation. For example:
Robert L. Schulz
Chairman
info@givemeliberty.org
#88. To: All (#87)
#89. To: ferret mike, bush_is_a_moonie, avastrightwingconspirator, all commie rat douchebags that claimed to support Ron Paul (#87)
#90. To: Rotara, iconoclast (#89)
#91. To: Christine, iconoclast (#90)
i'm pinging icon since on another thread he claimed that Bob Schulz and the entire WeThePeopleFoundation organization are bigots.
#92. To: Ferret Mike, rotara, christine, all (#68)
I also am sure the classic FReeper tactic of organizing behind the scenes to pour complaints to the forum administration about opponents is in play here as well.
#93. To: Rotara (#87)
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In addition, I ask that you to arrange to have the following documentary evidence delivered to the National Press Club... ...certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham.
#94. To: IndieTX (#71)
I am here to tell you that the Constitution is there to protect minority positions and groups from the whims and caprice of majorities theey are not part of.
#95. To: Cynicom (#92)
#96. To: bluegrass (#93)
(Edited)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#97. To: OliviaFNewton, Rotara, Cynicom, christine, Lady X (#95)
#98. To: Esso (#96)
There was a reason for running not one, but two foreign-born candidates. This wasn't by accident.
#99. To: Esso (#96)
There was a reason for running not one, but two foreign-born candidates. This wasn't by accident.
#100. To: bluegrass (#97)
What I find odd is that someone in the majority opinion (an Obamite) would come onto a minority opinion board and claim persecution.
#101. To: bluegrass (#98)
We're on the same track. America's being conditioned for outright foreign rule as opposed to the from-the-behind-the-scenes foreign rule that we've been under for Lord only knows how many years.
#102. To: christine (#99)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#103. To: OliviaFNewton, Pinguinite, christine (#100)
So the question is, what is the motive?
#104. To: OliviaFNewton (#101)
rule administration.
#105. To: Esso, bluegrass, christine (#96)
There was a reason for running not one, but two foreign-born candidates. This wasn't by accident.
#106. To: IndieTX, Ferret Mike (#71)
ferret mike: I am here to tell you that the Constitution is there to protect minority positions and groups from the whims and caprice of majorities theey are not part of.
#107. To: Lady X (#105)
#108. To: Lady X (#105)
They ran THREE foreign born candidates. The socialist party ran a guy that was born in Nicaraugua..
#109. To: bluegrass (#103)
I think it might be to cast opposition to Obama as being irrational, racist hatred.
#110. To: bluegrass (#104)
He did fabricate the "Office of the President Elect" out of whole cloth. It's a foretaste of the rest of his rule administration.
#111. To: OliviaFNewton (#109)
But while we're on the topic of McCain, scorned 'twice' by the voters for the nations highest job, count on revenge
#112. To: Lady X (#111)
To: OliviaFNewton
#113. To: Lady X (#105)
They ran THREE foreign born candidates. The socialist party ran a guy that was born in Nicaraugua..
#114. To: Ferret Mike, All (#68)
I am not speaking about me. I was talking about sign I've seen of that happening to others. No matter, as I said, the U.S. Constitution is there to provide checks and balances. I see none here. The Constitution is there to protect unpopular few of any group against the mindset, opinions and world view of the majority.
#115. To: OliviaFNewton (#95)
FRIENDS?
#116. To: Jethro Tull (#115)
You're right, Olivia. Friends don't encourage multiculturalism, affirmative action, the empowerment of the ADL and buckets of socialism. Call us a committee of two, but 'friends' like these are no better than Judas goats. They're NTBT.
#117. To: Lady X (#111)
John McCain take revenge on who? And how?
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#118. To: OliviaFNewton (#95)
I'll get out my little violin.
#119. To: OliviaFNewton, Jethro tull (#116)
You're right, Olivia. Friends don't encourage multiculturalism, affirmative action, the empowerment of the ADL and buckets of socialism. Call us a committee of two, but 'friends' like these are no better than Judas goats. They're NTBT.
#120. To: Cynicom (#119)
#121. To: Cynicom (#118)
Tolerance and patience are virtues, violin playing is not.
#122. To: OliviaFNewton (#121)
was simply offering to join you in your concert for a coward.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#123. To: X-15 (#122)
I can play the whoopie cushion in the wind section....
#124. To: bluegrass (#97)
What I find odd is that someone in the majority opinion (an Obamite) would come onto a minority opinion board and claim persecution.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
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