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Title: Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head
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The New American
URL Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/562
Published: Dec 2, 2008
Author: Written by Kurt Williamsen
Post Date: 2008-12-02 22:57:52 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: Obama, Berg, Citizenship Scandal, Birth Certificate Fraud
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Comments: 225
Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head Written by Kurt Williamsen Tuesday, 02 December 2008 20:54 As we have reported earlier in our article "Barack Obama and the Citizenship Scandal," it has been alleged that Barack Obama is ineligible to become president for two reasons: evidence has come forward that Obama was born in Kenya, not the United States as required by the Constitution (because only one of Obama's parents is an American); and even if he was born here, his mother relinquished his citizenship by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen. This story has gained credence, separating it from Internet rumors, because Obama has reputedly hired three law firms (firms, not lawyers) to make sure that no one gets access to his birth records in Hawaii or his college transcripts from Occidental College and Harvard. (It is speculated that the transcripts will show he applied for aid to foreign students.) Philip J. Berg, a lifelong Democrat, sued to see Obama's original birth certificate, but a court ruled that because Berg was not in some way harmed by Obama — monetarily, physically, or reputation-wise — he was not a plaintiff in good standing. This action by the court put a temporary end to the belief that we would ever know the answer to the accusations. But now the claim is flaring up again for several reasons: • Alan Keyes, a presidential candidate of the American Independent Party, and Markham Robinson, a California elector, have now sued to see Obama's birth certificate (these men would definitely have legal "standing" to sue as plaintiffs in this case). • The We the People Foundation took out a full-page ad in the Chicago Tribune about the scandal. • On Friday, December 5, the Supreme Court will have a "conference" on the question of Obama's citizenship. (If four out of the nine justices vote to hear the case, oral arguments may be scheduled.) Obama supporters have derided attempts to challenge Obama's citizenship as merely sour grapes by sore losers, and they point to the website FactChect.org, as well as a statement by Hawaii's Department of Health Director who said Obama has a legitimate birth certificate, as proof of their rightness. (Various quotes by Obama's supporters also make it clear that they don't care whether or not he was born in the United States, or whether or not the Constitution is upheld.) Those pressing the issue note that FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and that Obama was on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. They note also that Hawaiian Health Department officials did not state that Obama has an original birth certificate from Hawaii. In fact, what Obama has given to FactCheck.org to prove his citizenship is not a birth certificate, but a certificate of live birth, something that would not ordinarily be accepted as legal proof of citizenship. Also, it is suspicious that no doctors or nurses have come forward and said that they were at Obama's birth in Hawaii, but Obama's grandmother in Kenya has been taped saying that she was at his birth in Kenya. Is Obama hiding something? Most likely yes. A person just doesn't spend something on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep one's birth records a secret unless one has something to hide. I personally have had to provide my birth certificate to several employers before they would agree to hire me. For a normal person, showing one's birth certificate is not a big deal. I've also had to give out my college records — again, not a big deal. But that leads to important questions: should this be pursued, and will it succeed? Yes, it should be pursued because to ignore it is to say that the Constitution is no longer the law of the land and is instead just an old piece of paper. Will it succeed? In my opinion, no. Neither the Supreme Court, nor the electors who will soon cast their votes for president, are impartial bodies. But that is not an argument for not pursuing it. — AP Images
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#88. To: All (#87)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Here you go little Traitor piglets, an opportunity to denigrate another Constitution loving patriot. Tell Bob Schultz what is. Pigs
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
i'm pinging icon since on another thread he claimed that Bob Schulz and the entire WeThePeopleFoundation organization are bigots. iconoclast, cite your evidence for that, please.
iconoclast, cite your evidence for that, please. Yeah, well. Don't hold your breath waiting for that particular RAT Obamacon Globalist to produce any evidence; 'cuz their ain't any. Feh
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
you're wrong about that, Mike. not only is there no organization, but there hasn't been one person who has complained to me about your presence here or who has requested that you be banned. in fact, any communication that i have received in private regarding you has been supportive of your right to speak and share your points of view. this has also been expressed to you publicly by a number of members as well. this you should know. each person here is responsible for their own words. as the forum owner, i do not and will not try to steer the direction of conversation, topics of discussion or opinions of the whole forum. Mike... I am presently a caregiver 24/7 so have little time for 4um and no time to read all of this thread. What Christine said above, you can take to the bank. You and I have agreed on very little for ten years but we do share mutual respect even tho I do take you to task for your language at times. If you were to be banned for your views, I would be gone also, if you were reprimanded for your language, I would applaud. I get thrown off threads for my stupidity and senility, but no one has urged my banishment. (yet) I have been thrown out of every forum except this one, so far, mostly because people will NOT tolerate opposing or differing viewpoints. You must admit, I am always right and you are nearly always wrong, but we get along. (hehehehehehehe) Freshen your language a tad and do a, "give 'em hell" Harry thing. I wont be here to either agree with you, nor to throw bombs at you, so belly up to the bar and drink with your FRIENDS.
Whoa. Bob wouldn't be THAT specific unless he had good info. In the generated crises that will come up after the Jan. 20th installation, I wonder if any of Obama's opponents will be targeted in some manner or another during the chaos. It's generally how political opposition is dealt with under usurpation.
I am speechless. Totally speechless. This tells me all I need to know. Great response Indie. We know them by their fruits and the jackboots they adore.
FRIENDS? No jackboot loving hatefilled self centered, confused arrogant twit and elitist Army warrior is concerned about 'friends'. It's about control. But I digress. Things are always about him. When legitimate questions arise for rational discussion, who ALWAYS turns it into a personal attack? This is to deflect and surpress the conversation about the policies of Team Obama and where our country is being led. Of course there are the other 3 bobbleheads staring out the back window to keep you from keeping your eyes on the road ahead. We are way past 'friendship' here, thanks to people just like him. I'll get out my little violin.
You know, it would probably be a simple matter to produce a certified copy of Oboingo's Kenyan birth certificate except that Kenya doesn't have a copier. Or anybody who can read or write. My guess is that once the precident of 'past practice' is set with a foreign president, the only candidates we'll see in the future will be an endless parade of Israeli Jews. There was a reason for running not one, but two foreign-born candidates. This wasn't by accident.
Being an Obama critic is to be in the minority opinion at the moment, but I think many or most of us on this board have been in this spot before in having been in the minority opinion re: Clinton and Bush II before the sheep caught up with us. What I find odd is that someone in the majority opinion (an Obamite) would come onto a minority opinion board and claim persecution. Obama appears to have cornered the self-inflicted martyr market.
We're on the same track. America's being conditioned for outright foreign rule as opposed to the from-the-behind-the-scenes foreign rule that we've been under for Lord only knows how many years.
i wholeheartedly agree.
So the question is, what is the motive? Obama appears to have cornered the self-inflicted martyr market. That's a fact and perhaps the answer to the question.
Perhaps this is why Obama was for a time referred to as the 'transitional' President.
Neither Oboingo or McStain were qualified according to the 'spirit' of the Constitution. People can fiddle-fart around endlessly mincing words about the "law," but the simple fact is that the founding fathers didn't want foreign influence controlling our government. Only one candidate met the requirements. You saw what happened to him in the primaries.
I think it might be to cast opposition to Obama as being irrational, racist hatred. P. would know via the server logs whether anyone is linking directly to Mike's (or anyone's) posts from Obamite boards.
He did fabricate the "Office of the President Elect" out of whole cloth. It's a foretaste of the rest of his They ran THREE foreign born candidates. The socialist party ran a guy that was born in Nicaraugua..
IndieTX: I am speechless. Totally speechless. Indie, you are not the only one shocked at ferret's statement. I'd call it the New Age - Dr. Phil interpretation of the US Constitution. Wow, just wow.
Damn girl. They can't get anything by you.
Interesting. I can see clearly now, the rain is gone, I can see all obstacles in my way Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind
And deflecting the conversation to anything other than policy. Any scrutiny of Obama's record, statements, affiliations, associations etc., were successfully dodged by he and his ilk. When cornered, they would blame Bush or pubs to again deflect from Obama. Now as we see with the birth certificate issue, it's important to look at McCain, but McCain isn't president elect. But it helps to water down the issue by tossing that in the mix as well. My opinion is that neither should holding public office and should be tossed out and forced to repay the taxpayers every dime and then some. But while we're on the topic of McCain, scorned 'twice' by the voters for the nations highest job, count on revenge.
He sure has, with tremendous help from the media. One has to wonder how long his 'ideas' have been on the shelf waiting for just the right state of chaos.
John McCain take revenge on who? And how?
But while we're on the topic of McCain, scorned 'twice' by the voters for the nations highest job, count on revenge John McCain take revenge on who? And how? Providing that ever-loving 'bi-partisan' support to the worst of temporarily stalled plans, such as amnesty. Bush pulled that same stunt over the last 8 years to have the rubes believeing there was a spirit of cooperation and that 'both parties' had a voice in the construct of the plan. This is intended to keep the myth of the two-party system alive as well.
Well I'll be.
Before you whine about your issue on a birth certificate that has gone from theory to lynch mob absolute status that this is gospel truth being a worthy crusade, step back from the bark of the tree it is and look at the entire forest. Barack Obama, even if this were true cannot and should not be deported, yet nobody corrects this as a lynch mob attitude on the issue exists here. I see President-elect Obama as having a very savvy understanding of the dynamics of lynch mob Swift Boating, and I full concur with the treating of this tempest in a teapot with the disdain it deserves. He and his team know there is no meat to this issue, and it is not requisite for them to educate those who just want to destroy him primarily for quite a different set of reasons and to serve the agenda of a different sort of political POV then that he represents. There is no separation here of opinion from the people expressing the thought, if you don't join the crusade, you are shit and deserve what you get. That is the mindset in here. And you show you are so sure of yourself, you have no intention of protecting anyone feeling differently then you. Have fun, as for myself I just as soon fain not be part of this confederacy of dunces partaking in this Lynch scene. It's been fun. But that was then, and this is now. Take care. That is worthy of a gem encrusted 24k gold frame. LOL! It seems to me that he cant convince too many regarding his communist POV, most people here aren't having any of it (because obama is truly a feces consuming fly larvae), and he is now throwing a tantrum. Who is worse, a bushbot or obama asskisser? Signed, A dunce, one among many. So many we are now a confederacy.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
No jackboot loving hatefilled self centered, confused arrogant twit and elitist Army warrior is concerned about 'friends'. It's about control. You're right, Olivia. Friends don't encourage multiculturalism, affirmative action, the empowerment of the ADL and buckets of socialism. Call us a committee of two, but 'friends' like these are no better than Judas goats. They're NTBT.
Thanks JT. JUDAS GOATS - EXACTLY!
He's going to inflict "comprehensive immigration reform" on us.
Listen up Pilgrim.... Tolerance and patience are virtues, violin playing is not.
Thanks JT. JUDAS GOATS - EXACTLY! OK, Pilgrims... Keep one thing in mind, when everyone agrees with me, there is something wrong and I start to worry. Mike unlike the cowardly types, is up front with his views, so far in left field he is out of the ballpark, but I still read 'em.
Cyni, The people Mike supports would put you and your family in chains. This isn't my opinion, history makes my case.
I was simply offering to join you in your concert for a coward.
I can play the whoopie cushion in the wind section....
Now we're talking ~ LOL!
Damn. You can be on my debate team anytime! His claiming to be a minority by the riduculous assertion about the purpose of the Constitution is classic leftist hypocrisy. You so exposed him in far fewer words that I used in post 71.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP It will now be easy for him to vote for obamessiah's DRAFT since he can try to claim it wasn't his idea. That will be his revenge...along with others mentioned above like citizenship for illegals, and his vote for mandatory pay universal health care when it comes.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP I'm sure he'll once again be hailed a true 'maverick' when that happens. And like you, I believe it will. McCains treachery in the past may have only been a warm up.
Coward???? Is that nice????
I had other words to choose from, but that one was the nicest one.
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#89. To: ferret mike, bush_is_a_moonie, avastrightwingconspirator, all commie rat douchebags that claimed to support Ron Paul (#87)
#90. To: Rotara, iconoclast (#89)
#91. To: Christine, iconoclast (#90)
i'm pinging icon since on another thread he claimed that Bob Schulz and the entire WeThePeopleFoundation organization are bigots.
#92. To: Ferret Mike, rotara, christine, all (#68)
I also am sure the classic FReeper tactic of organizing behind the scenes to pour complaints to the forum administration about opponents is in play here as well.
#93. To: Rotara (#87)
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In addition, I ask that you to arrange to have the following documentary evidence delivered to the National Press Club... ...certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham.
#94. To: IndieTX (#71)
I am here to tell you that the Constitution is there to protect minority positions and groups from the whims and caprice of majorities theey are not part of.
#95. To: Cynicom (#92)
#96. To: bluegrass (#93)
(Edited)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#97. To: OliviaFNewton, Rotara, Cynicom, christine, Lady X (#95)
#98. To: Esso (#96)
There was a reason for running not one, but two foreign-born candidates. This wasn't by accident.
#99. To: Esso (#96)
There was a reason for running not one, but two foreign-born candidates. This wasn't by accident.
#100. To: bluegrass (#97)
What I find odd is that someone in the majority opinion (an Obamite) would come onto a minority opinion board and claim persecution.
#101. To: bluegrass (#98)
We're on the same track. America's being conditioned for outright foreign rule as opposed to the from-the-behind-the-scenes foreign rule that we've been under for Lord only knows how many years.
#102. To: christine (#99)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#103. To: OliviaFNewton, Pinguinite, christine (#100)
So the question is, what is the motive?
#104. To: OliviaFNewton (#101)
rule administration.
#105. To: Esso, bluegrass, christine (#96)
There was a reason for running not one, but two foreign-born candidates. This wasn't by accident.
#106. To: IndieTX, Ferret Mike (#71)
ferret mike: I am here to tell you that the Constitution is there to protect minority positions and groups from the whims and caprice of majorities theey are not part of.
#107. To: Lady X (#105)
#108. To: Lady X (#105)
They ran THREE foreign born candidates. The socialist party ran a guy that was born in Nicaraugua..
#109. To: bluegrass (#103)
I think it might be to cast opposition to Obama as being irrational, racist hatred.
#110. To: bluegrass (#104)
He did fabricate the "Office of the President Elect" out of whole cloth. It's a foretaste of the rest of his rule administration.
#111. To: OliviaFNewton (#109)
But while we're on the topic of McCain, scorned 'twice' by the voters for the nations highest job, count on revenge
#112. To: Lady X (#111)
To: OliviaFNewton
#113. To: Lady X (#105)
They ran THREE foreign born candidates. The socialist party ran a guy that was born in Nicaraugua..
#114. To: Ferret Mike, All (#68)
I am not speaking about me. I was talking about sign I've seen of that happening to others. No matter, as I said, the U.S. Constitution is there to provide checks and balances. I see none here. The Constitution is there to protect unpopular few of any group against the mindset, opinions and world view of the majority.
#115. To: OliviaFNewton (#95)
FRIENDS?
#116. To: Jethro Tull (#115)
You're right, Olivia. Friends don't encourage multiculturalism, affirmative action, the empowerment of the ADL and buckets of socialism. Call us a committee of two, but 'friends' like these are no better than Judas goats. They're NTBT.
#117. To: Lady X (#111)
John McCain take revenge on who? And how?
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#118. To: OliviaFNewton (#95)
I'll get out my little violin.
#119. To: OliviaFNewton, Jethro tull (#116)
You're right, Olivia. Friends don't encourage multiculturalism, affirmative action, the empowerment of the ADL and buckets of socialism. Call us a committee of two, but 'friends' like these are no better than Judas goats. They're NTBT.
#120. To: Cynicom (#119)
#121. To: Cynicom (#118)
Tolerance and patience are virtues, violin playing is not.
#122. To: OliviaFNewton (#121)
was simply offering to join you in your concert for a coward.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#123. To: X-15 (#122)
I can play the whoopie cushion in the wind section....
#124. To: bluegrass (#97)
What I find odd is that someone in the majority opinion (an Obamite) would come onto a minority opinion board and claim persecution.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#125. To: OliviaFNewton (#109)
(Edited)
But while we're on the topic of McCain, scorned 'twice' by the voters for the nations highest job, count on revenge.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#126. To: IndieTX (#125)
It will now be easy for him to vote for obamessiah's DRAFT since he can try to claim it wasn't his idea. That will be his revenge...along with others mentioned above like citizenship for illegals, and his vote for mandatory pay universal health care when it comes.
#127. To: OliviaFNewton (#121)
I was simply offering to join you in your concert for a coward.
#128. To: Cynicom (#127)
Is that nice????
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