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Title: Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head
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The New American
URL Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/562
Published: Dec 2, 2008
Author: Written by Kurt Williamsen
Post Date: 2008-12-02 22:57:52 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: Obama, Berg, Citizenship Scandal, Birth Certificate Fraud
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Comments: 225
Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head Written by Kurt Williamsen Tuesday, 02 December 2008 20:54 As we have reported earlier in our article "Barack Obama and the Citizenship Scandal," it has been alleged that Barack Obama is ineligible to become president for two reasons: evidence has come forward that Obama was born in Kenya, not the United States as required by the Constitution (because only one of Obama's parents is an American); and even if he was born here, his mother relinquished his citizenship by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen. This story has gained credence, separating it from Internet rumors, because Obama has reputedly hired three law firms (firms, not lawyers) to make sure that no one gets access to his birth records in Hawaii or his college transcripts from Occidental College and Harvard. (It is speculated that the transcripts will show he applied for aid to foreign students.) Philip J. Berg, a lifelong Democrat, sued to see Obama's original birth certificate, but a court ruled that because Berg was not in some way harmed by Obama — monetarily, physically, or reputation-wise — he was not a plaintiff in good standing. This action by the court put a temporary end to the belief that we would ever know the answer to the accusations. But now the claim is flaring up again for several reasons: • Alan Keyes, a presidential candidate of the American Independent Party, and Markham Robinson, a California elector, have now sued to see Obama's birth certificate (these men would definitely have legal "standing" to sue as plaintiffs in this case). • The We the People Foundation took out a full-page ad in the Chicago Tribune about the scandal. • On Friday, December 5, the Supreme Court will have a "conference" on the question of Obama's citizenship. (If four out of the nine justices vote to hear the case, oral arguments may be scheduled.) Obama supporters have derided attempts to challenge Obama's citizenship as merely sour grapes by sore losers, and they point to the website FactChect.org, as well as a statement by Hawaii's Department of Health Director who said Obama has a legitimate birth certificate, as proof of their rightness. (Various quotes by Obama's supporters also make it clear that they don't care whether or not he was born in the United States, or whether or not the Constitution is upheld.) Those pressing the issue note that FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and that Obama was on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. They note also that Hawaiian Health Department officials did not state that Obama has an original birth certificate from Hawaii. In fact, what Obama has given to FactCheck.org to prove his citizenship is not a birth certificate, but a certificate of live birth, something that would not ordinarily be accepted as legal proof of citizenship. Also, it is suspicious that no doctors or nurses have come forward and said that they were at Obama's birth in Hawaii, but Obama's grandmother in Kenya has been taped saying that she was at his birth in Kenya. Is Obama hiding something? Most likely yes. A person just doesn't spend something on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep one's birth records a secret unless one has something to hide. I personally have had to provide my birth certificate to several employers before they would agree to hire me. For a normal person, showing one's birth certificate is not a big deal. I've also had to give out my college records — again, not a big deal. But that leads to important questions: should this be pursued, and will it succeed? Yes, it should be pursued because to ignore it is to say that the Constitution is no longer the law of the land and is instead just an old piece of paper. Will it succeed? In my opinion, no. Neither the Supreme Court, nor the electors who will soon cast their votes for president, are impartial bodies. But that is not an argument for not pursuing it. — AP Images
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Why didn't the RNC bring this issue up? They were trying to find anything they could to discredit Obama. Why didn't the McCain/Palin campaign bring this issue up? Why didn't the current president (moron bush) bring this issue up? Why didn't roody julieannie or any of the others campaigning for the Republican party nomination bring this issue to the attention of the public? Why didn't the Dept. of Justice address this issue? Why didn't Ron Paul directly address this issue? Is he part of the conspiracy? Oh and by the way, did you see these? Lawsuit blames the September 11 attack on a RICO conspiracy involving, among others, the first President Bush, Condoleeza Rice, the Council for Foreign Relations, and Kenneth Feinberg. News Conference – Wednesday - 11/26/03 – 12 Noon 5th & Ranstead Streets, Philadelphia [corner of Bourse Building with Independence Hall in background] 911 Victim’s Wife, Ellen Mariani, files RICO Act [Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act] Federal Court Complaint against President Bush and Cabinet Members (Philadelphia, PA – 11/26/03) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, announced today that he, attorney for Ellen Mariani, wife of Louis Neil Mariani, who died when United Air Lines flight 175 was flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Center on 9-11 at a news conference regarding the filing of a detailed Amended Complaint in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania on 11/26/03 in the case of Mariani vs. Bush et al that he is alleging President Bush and officials including, but not limited to Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Feinberg that they: 1. had knowledge/warnings of 911 and failed to warn or take steps to prevent; 2. have been covering up the truth of 911; and 3. have therefore violated the laws of the United States; and 4. are being sued under the Civil RICO Act. Berg stated: “I will be detailing the charges against Bush and others and handing out copies of the: 1. Amended Complaint; 2. a Letter from Ellen Mariani to President Bush that sets forth her beliefs that President Bush knowingly and willfully failed to act and prevent the murder of her husband on 911 and the ongoing obstruction of justice; and 3. a Sworn Affidavit that the United States government twenty-eight [28] years ago undertook a study to prevent the very events of 911. Mrs. Mariani was the first victim family member to bring civil action regarding the events of 911 against United Airlines. Since then, the “truth” of 911 has not been forthcoming and Mrs. Mariani, for the good of her country, now seeks the truth via this courageous action under the RICO Act. Berg said: “The events surrounding "911" to date have yet to be uncovered. While America was under attack, for approximately the next seven (7) to eighteen (18) minutes Defendant GWB continues to listen to the goat story while Plaintiff's husband was just murdered and does not immediately assume his duties as Commander-in-Chief of the United States Armed Forces. Plaintiff, with her amended complaint intends to expose the truth to remember the dead and to prevent continued deaths of American military personnel due to President Bush's "failure to act and prevent" the worst attacks on our nation since Pearl Harbor. Plaintiff hereby asserts Defendants, officially and individually are exclusively liable to answer the Counts in this Complaint under the United States Constitution and provisions of the 18 U.S.C. § 1964(a) and (c), Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (hereinafter "RICO Act") for "failing to act and prevent" the murder of Plaintiff's husband, Louis Neil Mariani, for financial and political reasons and have "obstructed justice" in the aftermath of said criminal acts and omissions. Defendant GWB has purported to the American People and the Plaintiff that the infamous attacks of "911" were directly masterminded by Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda Network terrorists (hereinafter "OBL"), almost immediately after the attacks. Yet, Defendant GWB has not been forthright and honest with regard to his administration's pre-knowledge of the potential of the "911" attacks and Plaintiff seeks to compel Defendant GWB to justify why her husband Louis Neil Mariani died on "911.' Plaintiff believes Defendant GWB is invoking a long standard operating procedure of invoking national security and executive privilege claims to suppress the basis of this lawsuit that Defendant GWB, et al., failed to act and prevent the "911" attacks. Plaintiff asserts, contrary to Defendant GWB's assertion that OBL is responsible for "911," the compelling evidence that will be presented in this case through discovery, subpoena power by this Court and testimony at trial will lead to one undisputed fact, Defendant GWB failed to act and prevent "911" knowing the attacks would lead to our nation having to engage in an "International War on Terror (IWOT)" which would benefit Defendants both financially and for political reasons. There are significant business ties that will be proven between Defendants and OBL's family which raise serious conflict of interest and other matters wherein "failing to act and prevent" the "911" attacks have benefited Defendants. Reports have emerged and will be confirmed through discovery that the Carlyle Group, the giant U.S. defense contractor until recently employed Defendant and former President GHB. Hence, the "Bush Family" and other Defendants financial profiting by war goes to the heart of Plaintiff's RICO Act claim. Plaintiff asserts, in the late 1970's and throughout the 1980's, Defendants were allies with OBL and Saddam Hussein during the former Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan and Iran-Iraq war respectively, wherein, personal and political deals were made and it is believed upon discovery, these dealings hold the truth about "911." In sum, Plaintiff will call to trial former federal employees with firsthand knowledge and expertise with military intelligence and other duties to support the underlying RICO Act foundational basis to prove Defendants have engaged in a "pattern of criminal activity and obstruction of justice" in violation of the public trust and laws of the United States for personal and financial gains. Plaintiff will prove, Defendants have engaged our nation in an endless war on terror to achieve their personal goals and agendas. /////// ** Copy of sixty-one [61] page Amended Complaint available by e-mail” – contact Phil Berg at PJBLAW@aol.com /////// [Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate; an attorney with offices in Montgomery County and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA.] www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0311/S00261.htm PHILADELPHIA ATTORNEY PHIL BERG DEMANDS DISBARMENT OF (3) U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICES - O'CONNOR, SCALIA and THOMAS ON THE ONE (1) YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF BUSH vs. GORE, THE CASE THAT "ANOINTED" BUSH AS PRESIDENT (Philadelphia, PA - 12/12/01) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania and political activist, an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA today, on the 1st anniversary of the U.S. Supreme Court decision in Bush vs. Gore which "anointed" Bush as President writes to three (3) U.S. Supreme Court Justices, Justices O'Connor, Scalia and Thomas requesting that they agree to "Voluntary Disbarment" for failing to "recuse" themselves in said case and other violations. Berg said: "The attached letter is self explanatory requesting three (3) U.S. Supreme Court Justices to agree to voluntary disbarment from the practice of law. It is the appearance of impartiality not the reality of bias or prejudice that dictates and in this case, there was not only appearance but also actual conflict of interest. They violated the rules of conduct and must accept the consequences of their partisan action. The three (3) Justices of The Supreme Court of the United States should voluntarily turn in their licenses in their respective states or we will ask that disciplinary action be undertaken including disbarment as well as summary suspension in their respective states for violating the Rules of Court and not 'recusing' themselves in the case of Bush vs. Gore and other violations Specifically, Justices O'Connor, Scalia and Thomas. groups.google.com/group/phl.media/msg/2e1564f62484903f Pictures of the Phillip Berg Team and those who buy into this wacko conspiracy theory
Very cute: Where's the Birth Certificate ???
Try to get a passport without a birth certificate. How can anybody believe this crap? It is propaganda, probably created and refined by Karl Rove and the propaganda experts in the Republican and Democrat parties. WAKE UP!
news.aol.com/political-ma...rth-certificate-doubters/ Q&A With Obama Birth Certificate Doubters By Liza Porteus Viana Dec 2nd 2008 12:31PM Filed Under:eBarack Obama, 2008 President We here at the Machine told you yesterday that the controversy over Barack Obama's birth certificate is still raging. The latest is that the We The People Foundation have taken out a full-page ad in the Chicago Tribune two days this week - Monday (yesterday) and Wednesday. I e-mailed Bob Schulz, chairman of the foundation, to ask him a few questions about why his group and some other right-wing blogs and individuals still aren't convinced of the authenticity of the Hawaii birth certificate provided by the president-elect, and vouched for by Hawaii officials. Here's the Q&A: Q.) Why don't you believe that the Hawaiian authorities have vouched for the authenticity of the birth certificate filed with that state for President-elect Obama? The state's Department of Health director on Oct. 31 released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Obama's birth certificate. DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate. A.) Yes, Hawaii officials have publicly verified that they possess Obama's original birth certificate, however in their official press release they fail to state it is an original birth certificate from Hawaii. In fact, under Hawaiian law, a foreign born child can be registered as a naturalized (but not "natural born") U.S. citizen following application of the parents, (See, Hawaiian law provides for registration of out-of-state births under HRS 338-17.8. ). Such persons would be eligible to receive a "Certification of Live Birth" from the state, such as the document Obama has proffered. "Naturalized" citizens, such as the Governor of California, cannot hold the office of President. This of course, does not resolve the thornier issue as to the content of Obama's birth document. Specifically the stated "place of birth" may not in fact reflect the physical location of Obama's birth (as evidenced by the "original" certificate of Live Birth claimed to be in the possession of Hawaii officials), but rather the local Hawaii residency of the U.S. parent claimed in a birth registration application such as that provided by HRS 338-17.8 (See above). In any event the document is simply a computer-created document based upon the entries in a computer database, which may have been conceivably tampered with at some point. Hawaii law also provides for "amending" birth certificates. From the official web page: "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country." In short, the document proffered by Obama does not contain all the information needed to conclusively verify that he is legally eligible to hold the Office of President. Additionally, beyond their refusal to minimally confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii, state officials also refuse to comment on the authenticity of Obama's birth document. All these questions could be resolved by Obama by simply providing access to his original birth certificate. Q.) What reputable sources have discredited the birth certificate already produced by Obama? A.) Attorney Phil Berg states in his lawsuit against Obama, "...three (3) independent Document Forensic Experts performed extensive Forensic testing on the Certificate of Live Birth posted on Obama's campaign website." He has not publicly identified his sources but one of them is reported to be a reputable professional forensics expert going under the pseudonym "Polarik" for his family's protection. His latest comprehensive report concluding Obama's document is a forgery can be found here. He has also posted a short YouTube video. Q.) How much did you pay for these 2 full-page ads (on Dec. 1 and 3)? A.) Tens of thousands of dollars. It was a negotiated amount. Q.) What sort of reaction have you received so far to the ads? A.) We have experienced significant media interest from primarily talk shows and newspapers, including some well-known media entities. We have hoped that our ads would spur public debate on this topic and hopefully, this may have begun. In the end, there is no practical reason why Obama refuses to produce his original birth certificate. He is seeking the Office of President and has a duty to provide evidence that he meets the explicit requirements established by the Constitution.
I'm not going to waste any more time with you dummys on this issue. You want to be suckered in by the neocons and politicians then be my guest. Hitler, Stalin, Castro and many of the others would love to have taken control of countries full of people like you guys raving about this birth crap. It would have made their jobs so much easier. I wonder how many of you would buy the Golden Gate bridge if it was offered to you cheap. A sucker is born every minute and there are a few of you on here to constantly justify that statement. A couple of you came over from LP and are using the names of others on LP. Whatsa matter? Too ashamed to use the same ID used on LP? LOL. I wonder how many of you are going to be able to admit what suckers you have been. Oh wait, Al Gore's people stole the debate practice documents from the bush campaign people! Reagan didn't know anything about Iran Contra! Oliver North never had anything to do with CIA and drug running! Iraq had so many WMD but they hid them in Russia and Syria when they figured out the US was gonna attack them! Osama Bin Laden is hiding under your bed.. you better be in fear and willing to give up all your rights... we will protect you! Honest we will! LOL What a bunch of goofs.
No birth certificate yet? What is the matter with u guys? Kinda simple thing, no?
EVIDENCE Despite the assurances of the Obama campaign, the dominant media and Internet commentators, significant unresolved questions still exist regarding Mr. Obama’s ability to meet the explicit requirements of the U.S. Constitution to hold the office of President as a natural born citizen who has not relinquished his American citizenship. Official government documents, statements by officials, affidavits, credible legal pleadings and statements by Mr. Obama’s globally dispersed family members give rise to these questions. Unfortunately, Mr. Obama has remained virtually silent against these allegations, refusing to produce his original (vault), certified, birth certificate as well as other legal documents that are normally readily available, which would quickly resolve the eligibility issue. In fact, the only document provided by Mr. Obama thus far is a 2007 computer-generated Certification of Live Birth, (“COLB”), generated by officials of the state of Hawaii, purportedly at the direction of the Governor and two U.S. Senators. This “short-form” document is NOT the same as the original vault copy (i.e., “Certificate of Live Birth”) as it does not bear a sworn certification of an attendant (physician) or contain other vital birth information such as hospital location, mother’s age, etc. The sample vault copy shown here is a copy of a legal “Certificate of Live Birth” obtained at the request of a person born in Hawaii in 1963. Given the statement of facts included in Mr. Berg’s lawsuit and additional evidence summarized herein, Mr. Obama’s continued failure to squarely address this festering issue suggests he is hiding something regarding the true nature of his citizenship. Absent a rebuttal by Mr. Obama, we believe a reasonable jury would conclude, after reviewing all the evidence, that Mr. Obama does not meet the eligibility requirements. Although the Internet is awash in unsubstantiated assertions and bits and pieces of evidence, we have chosen to focus on several of the most clearly articulated items of evidence. The Berg Lawsuit In August 2008, Pennsylvania attorney Phillip Berg filed a lawsuit seeking to enjoin Barack Obama from running for President unless he produced certain legal documentation establishing his status as a “natural born” citizen. Here is Berg’s initial complaint. What follows is a brief overview of some of the lawsuit’s allegations followed by links to the currently available evidence. a. Mr. Obama’s father was a citizen of Kenya, Obama’s mother was a U.S. Citizen. They met while both were attending the University of Hawaii. There is apparently no question regarding these facts. b. Mr. Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii -- Citing Obama family sources, Berg claims that Obama’s mother, while residing in Kenya, was not allowed by Kenyan authorities (because of her late-stage pregnancy) to fly back to the U.S. before she gave birth to Obama in Kenya. c. Mr. Obama is a citizen of Kenya, not the U.S. – Citing U.S. law in effect in 1961, Mr. Berg argues Obama could not possess U.S. citizenship because Obama’s mother, although a U.S. citizen, was only 18 years old. U.S. immigration law in 1961 explicitly denied U.S. citizenship at birth to children of mixed national parentage, unless the U.S. citizen parent (in this case Obama’s mother) had resided in the U.S. for 10 years, 5 of those required to be after attaining the age of 14. Because Obama’s mother was not yet 19, according to Berg, Obama was either a citizen of Kenya, or in the alternative, became a naturalized U.S. citizen. Either way, Berg argues Obama is not eligible to hold the office of President because he would not be a natural born citizen. NOTE: Attorney Leo C. Donofrio, in his recent brief to the Supreme Court of the United States makes an additional persuasive argument that Mr. Obama fails the eligibility test based on the historical context, purpose and original intent of Constitution’s the natural born citizen clause. After clicking on the following link, click here to read Mr. Donofrio’s arguments to the Supreme Court. d. Obama became a citizen of Indonesia – Following Mr. Obama’s mother’s divorce from Barack Obama (senior), she married Lolo Soetoro, a student at the University of Hawaii and a citizen of Indonesia. In 1967 she moved to Indonesia with Obama. She became a naturalized citizen of Indonesia, relinquishing her American citizenship. At the time, Indonesian law prohibited dual citizenships and American law disallowed dual citizenships if the other country did not allow dual citizenships. At this time, even if Obama was Registered as a “natural born” citizen (which he apparently he was not qualify to be registered as), he would have lost his U.S. Citizenship when his mother married Lolo Soetoro (who apparently adopted Barack Obama giving him the name of Barry Soetoro) and took up residency in Indonesia as a naturalized Indonesian citizen. Berg argues that at the time, Indonesia did not allow dual citizenships, and U.S. law did not allow dual citizenships if the other country did not allow it. FightTheSmears.com In 2007, Mr. Obama released a scanned graphic copy of a computer-generated Certification of Live Berth (“COLB”) via this campaign website, (www.fightthesmears.com). After numerous individuals began to question the authenticity of the document supplied by Obama, a “respected” political watchdog organization, FactCheck.org initiated an “independent” analysis of Obama’s COLB, which included physical examination of the document and photographs of the document. The organization concluded the document is authentic and that, as indicated on the certificate, Obama was therefore born in Honolulu, Hawaii. FactCheck.org apparently did not check the meaning of the content of the authentic, COLB. For instance, FactCheck.org did not determine if the authentic, Hawaiian issued, computer-generated, Certification of Live Birth was generated from a State database that included births that were registered in Hawaii after occurring in foreign countries. According to Berg, it was not uncommon for people living in Hawaii to give birth in foreign countries and then register the birth in Hawaii. Surprisingly, FactCheck.org apparently did not ask Mr. Obama to obtain a copy of the official vault copy of his birth certificate. Beside its apparent failure to investigate the proper document, an apparent conflict of interest exists regarding FactCheck’s analysis. FactCheck.org is an arm of the powerful Annenberg Foundation Statements By Hawaiian Public Officials on the Record On October 31, undoubtedly in reaction to the growing number of lawsuits surrounding the issue of Obama’s eligibility, Chiyome Fukino, director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, issued a public statement regarding her office’s inspection of Obama’s birth certificate. In her brief press release she stated: “There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. “No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii.” Unfortunately, numerous media and Internet outlets (see e.g., here, here) erroneously concluded this pronouncement settled the matter. In fact, the raises additional doubts about Obama’s citizenship status and, thus, his eligibility. At no point in the release does the Director of Health state or claim that Obama was actually born in Hawaii. She merely states she has personally inspected the original document in their possession and that it is being stored according to state regulations. Compounding the problem was the subsequent statement of Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo (see Chicago Tribune, 10-31-08). Citing Hawaii state privacy laws, and guidance from the state attorney general, she said she, “was not permitted to confirm the authenticity of the certificate released by the Obama campaign.” She also said Obama’s computer-generated COLB “appeared similar to other Hawaii birth certificates.” In sum, the statement by the Health Department spokesman Okubo does not speak to the substance or veracity of the Obama computer-generated document, only that its “form” appears similar. Nor does she address the issue of the meaning of the content of the document, and whether there is an actual long-form Certificate of Live Birth in the vault. Mr. Berg submitted photographic evidence to the Court indicating Obama, known then as “Barry Soetoro,” was enrolled by his parents (at approximately age 6) at the public Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia. This suggests he was adopted by his step-father. In the school document (which is also translated into English), Obama’s birth place is indicated as Honolulu, but his citizenship is indicated as Indonesian. As a minor, Mr. Obama’s citizenship went with the custodial parent, who, under Indonesian law had to be the father. Obama's name is given as “Barry Soetoro.” In a citizenship related PolitFact/St. Petersburg Times article, they provide a document they obtained from the Illinois Supreme Court’s Attorney Registration & Discipline Commission (ARDC) apparently indicating that the official records make no mention of any prior name except “Barack Hussein Obama.” The Sworn Affidavits Evidence recently made available to an Internet news (www.newswithviews.com) from the office of attorney Phil Berg, includes two (partially photographic) sworn affidavits containing important first-hand knowledge regarding Barack Obama, including testimony of a direct, in-person interview of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother in which she asserts she was present at Obama’s birth in Kenya. Read the sworn affidavits of Bishop Ron McRae and (includes a partial transcript of the grandmother’s interview) CONCLUSION Given the relative strength of the evidence and the public interest in the issue, Mr. Obama is obligated to respond to any citizen’s Petition for Redress of the apparent violation of the Constitution’s natural born citizenship clause. We the People demand and deserve nothing less. Click here to read the draft full-page USA TODAY Letter to Obama.
Click here to view a copy of the final text published in the Chicago Tribune Are you a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.? December 1, 2008 Mr. Barack Obama Kluczynski Federal Building Dear Mr. Obama: Representing thousands of responsible American citizens who have also taken an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America from all enemies foreign and domestic, I am duty bound to call on you to remedy an apparent violation of the Constitution. Compelling evidence supports the claim that you are barred from holding the Office of President by the “natural born citizen” clause of the U.S. Constitution. For instance: Your father was a Kenyan citizen at the time of your birth and your mother was 18. Legal affidavits state you were born in Kenya. Your grandmother is recorded on tape saying she attended your birth in Kenya. Hawaii Dept of Health will not confirm your assertion that you were born in Hawaii. You have posted an unsigned, computer-generated birth form that was created in 2007, a form that lacks vital information found on an original, hand signed Certificate of Live Birth, such as hospital address, signature of attending physician and age of mother. U.S. Law in 1961 denied U.S. citizenship to any child born in Kenya if the father was Kenyan and the mother was not yet 19 years of age. In 1965, your mother legally relinquished whatever Kenyan or U.S. citizenship she and you had by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen. You have repeatedly refused to provide evidence of your eligibility when challenged to do so in a number of recent lawsuits. Instead, you have been successful in having judges declare that they are powerless to order you to prove your eligibility to assume the Office of President. For instance, the judge in Pennsylvania ruled the challenger had no standing to question your eligibility because his harm would be no different from the harm to be suffered by all other American citizens if you, as an ineligible person were to assume the Presidency. The judge in Hawaii actually said it would be an invasion of your privacy for him to order access to your original birth certificate in order to prove your eligibility to hold the Office of President. Before you can legitimately exercise any of the powers of the President you must meet all the criteria for eligibility established by the Constitution. You are under a moral, legal, and fiduciary duty to proffer such evidence. Should you assume the office as anyone but a bona fide natural born citizen of the United States who has You would always be viewed by many Americans as a poseur - a usurper. As a usurper, you would be unable to take the required “Oath or Affirmation” on January 20 without committing the crime of perjury or false swearing, for being ineligible you cannot faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States. You would be entitled to no obedience whatsoever from the People. The armed forces would be under no legal obligation to remain obedient to you. No civilian in the Executive Branch would be required to obey any of your proclamations, executive orders or directives, as such orders would be legally void. Your appointments of Ambassadors and Judges to the Supreme Court would be void no matter what subsequent actions the Senate might take. Congress would not be able to pass new laws because it would not be able to acquire the signature of a bona fide President. As a usurper, Congress would be unable to remove you from the Office of the President on Impeachment, inviting certain political chaos including a potential for armed conflicts within the General Government or among the States and the People to effect the removal of such a usurper. In consideration of the escalating constitutional crisis brought on by the total lack of evidence needed to conclusively establish your eligibility, I am compelled to lodge a First Amendment Petition for a Redress of this constitutional tort. With all due respect, I ask that you immediately direct the appropriate Hawaiian officials to allow access to the vault copy of your birth certificate by our forensic scientists on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, December 5, 6 and 7, 2008. In addition, I ask that you to arrange to have the following documentary evidence delivered to the National Press Club by 10 am on December 8, 2008. a certified copy of your “vault” (original long version) birth certificate. certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham. a certified copy of your Certification of Citizenship. a certified copy of your Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity. certified copies of your admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School. certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing your name from Barry Soetoro. “In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.” Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this urgent matter. Sincerely, We The People Foundation For Constitutional Education, Inc. www.WeThePeopleFoundation.org 2458 Ridge Road Queensbury, NY 12804
Whoa. Bob wouldn't be THAT specific unless he had good info. In the generated crises that will come up after the Jan. 20th installation, I wonder if any of Obama's opponents will be targeted in some manner or another during the chaos. It's generally how political opposition is dealt with under usurpation.
You know, it would probably be a simple matter to produce a certified copy of Oboingo's Kenyan birth certificate except that Kenya doesn't have a copier. Or anybody who can read or write. My guess is that once the precident of 'past practice' is set with a foreign president, the only candidates we'll see in the future will be an endless parade of Israeli Jews. There was a reason for running not one, but two foreign-born candidates. This wasn't by accident.
We're on the same track. America's being conditioned for outright foreign rule as opposed to the from-the-behind-the-scenes foreign rule that we've been under for Lord only knows how many years.
Ok big mouth! What are you personally going to do about it? I can tell everybody straight out. NOTHING! All I see is hot air coming from a balless pussy.
I can tell everybody straight out. NOTHING! All I see is hot air coming from a balless pussy. What do you expect someone to give out in a forum like this on the Internets ? Assassination details ? Revolution marching orders ? Civil War seeding 'structions? Your heart is in the right place but your brain seems off a bubble or three. Still love ya tho..
Assassination details ? Revolution marching orders ? Thanks for the laugh. Everyone got the right answer as long as their neck isn't sticking out. You might have said, I wussed out and didn't vote for Chuck Baldwin or Dr, Ron Paul because I am a weenie and let those who really know you to be a fucking big mouthed pussy to call correctly. Don't feel ashamed or alone. Back during the pre revolution days, many spoke bravely but were cowards. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I call... Show your hand, let all of us see just WHAT YOU WOULD DO.
Your question was too long and a diatribe. I won't read it!! Seriously, I voted for Dr, Ron Paul. Neither he nor Chuck baldwin was on the ballot in Pennsylvania so I wrote in Ron Paul. Any vote for any one else would make me a FUCKING HYPOCRITE.I would rather remain a patriot who still believes in our Constitution and will do so forever. The rest of you neo's , well you must love what we are living under!!!!!!!!
#160. To: LACUMO (#158)
Lac... Back to the last hand... What would you do to alter this situation?????
Any vote for any one else would make me a FUCKING HYPOCRITE.I would rather remain a patriot who still believes in our Constitution and will do so forever. The rest of you neo's , well you must love what we are living under!!!!!!!! Seriously, you speak out of turn a lot. I am one of 2 maybe 3 Ron Paul / Chuck Baldwin supporters on this 4um. You keep loving our Constitution, typing and doing nothing else whilst trying to goad good patriots into saying something stupid online. You might be a pussy if ...
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#24. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#12)
#25. To: noone222 (#24)
#38. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#25)
#79. To: TwentyTwelve (#38)
#81. To: bush_is_a_moonie, Wiccans for Christ (#79)
What a bunch of goofs.
#86. To: Yellow Cake, bush_is_a_moonie, TwentyTwelve, Christine, JethroTull, IndieTX, lodwick, farmfriend, ALL (#81)
(See e.g., Findlaw immigration overview)
NOTE: Obama’s Hawaiian “Certification of Live Birth,” reviewed by FactCheck, was created in 2007. This raises an additional question as to what documentation Obama used to establish his citizenship to run for Illinois state Senator or U.S. Senator in 2006.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
This omission speaks volumes, strongly suggesting that either something may not be right with the official documentation produced by the Hawaii Department of Health or that the 2007 documentation proffered by Senator Obama may in fact be fraudulent.
Indonesian School records
#87. To: All (#86)
An Open Letter to Barack Obama:
Are you legally eligible to hold the Office of President?
Barack Obama Transition Office
230 So. Dearborn St.
Chicago, Illinois 60604
not relinquished that citizenship, you would be inviting a national crisis that would undermine the domestic peace and stability of the Nation. For example:
Robert L. Schulz
Chairman
info@givemeliberty.org
#93. To: Rotara (#87)
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In addition, I ask that you to arrange to have the following documentary evidence delivered to the National Press Club... ...certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham.
#96. To: bluegrass (#93)
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#98. To: Esso (#96)
There was a reason for running not one, but two foreign-born candidates. This wasn't by accident.
#139. To: bluegrass (#98)
We're on the same track. America's being conditioned for outright foreign rule as opposed to the from-the-behind-the-scenes foreign rule that we've been under for Lord only knows how many years.
#145. To: LACUMO (#139)
Ok big mouth! What are you personally going to do about it?
#149. To: Rotara (#145)
What do you expect someone to give out in a forum like this on the Internets ?
#150. To: LACUMO, rotaro (#149)
You might have said, I wussed out and didn't vote for Chuck Baldwin or Dr, Ron Paul because I am a weenie and let those who really know you to be a fucking big mouthed pussy to call correctly.
#158. To: Cynicom (#150)
Show your hand, let all of us see just WHAT YOU WOULD DO.
Replies to Comment # 158.
#163. To: LACUMO (#158)
Seriously, I voted for Dr, Ron Paul. Neither he nor Chuck baldwin was on the ballot in Pennsylvania so I wrote in Ron Paul.
End Trace Mode for Comment # 158.