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Title: Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head
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The New American
URL Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/562
Published: Dec 2, 2008
Author: Written by Kurt Williamsen
Post Date: 2008-12-02 22:57:52 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: Obama, Berg, Citizenship Scandal, Birth Certificate Fraud
Views: 4520
Comments: 225
Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head Written by Kurt Williamsen Tuesday, 02 December 2008 20:54 As we have reported earlier in our article "Barack Obama and the Citizenship Scandal," it has been alleged that Barack Obama is ineligible to become president for two reasons: evidence has come forward that Obama was born in Kenya, not the United States as required by the Constitution (because only one of Obama's parents is an American); and even if he was born here, his mother relinquished his citizenship by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen. This story has gained credence, separating it from Internet rumors, because Obama has reputedly hired three law firms (firms, not lawyers) to make sure that no one gets access to his birth records in Hawaii or his college transcripts from Occidental College and Harvard. (It is speculated that the transcripts will show he applied for aid to foreign students.) Philip J. Berg, a lifelong Democrat, sued to see Obama's original birth certificate, but a court ruled that because Berg was not in some way harmed by Obama — monetarily, physically, or reputation-wise — he was not a plaintiff in good standing. This action by the court put a temporary end to the belief that we would ever know the answer to the accusations. But now the claim is flaring up again for several reasons: • Alan Keyes, a presidential candidate of the American Independent Party, and Markham Robinson, a California elector, have now sued to see Obama's birth certificate (these men would definitely have legal "standing" to sue as plaintiffs in this case). • The We the People Foundation took out a full-page ad in the Chicago Tribune about the scandal. • On Friday, December 5, the Supreme Court will have a "conference" on the question of Obama's citizenship. (If four out of the nine justices vote to hear the case, oral arguments may be scheduled.) Obama supporters have derided attempts to challenge Obama's citizenship as merely sour grapes by sore losers, and they point to the website FactChect.org, as well as a statement by Hawaii's Department of Health Director who said Obama has a legitimate birth certificate, as proof of their rightness. (Various quotes by Obama's supporters also make it clear that they don't care whether or not he was born in the United States, or whether or not the Constitution is upheld.) Those pressing the issue note that FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and that Obama was on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. They note also that Hawaiian Health Department officials did not state that Obama has an original birth certificate from Hawaii. In fact, what Obama has given to FactCheck.org to prove his citizenship is not a birth certificate, but a certificate of live birth, something that would not ordinarily be accepted as legal proof of citizenship. Also, it is suspicious that no doctors or nurses have come forward and said that they were at Obama's birth in Hawaii, but Obama's grandmother in Kenya has been taped saying that she was at his birth in Kenya. Is Obama hiding something? Most likely yes. A person just doesn't spend something on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep one's birth records a secret unless one has something to hide. I personally have had to provide my birth certificate to several employers before they would agree to hire me. For a normal person, showing one's birth certificate is not a big deal. I've also had to give out my college records — again, not a big deal. But that leads to important questions: should this be pursued, and will it succeed? Yes, it should be pursued because to ignore it is to say that the Constitution is no longer the law of the land and is instead just an old piece of paper. Will it succeed? In my opinion, no. Neither the Supreme Court, nor the electors who will soon cast their votes for president, are impartial bodies. But that is not an argument for not pursuing it. — AP Images
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#185. To: Christine (#184)
You hung yourself on this one. Apparently you don't care or know any better. Bless his/her sweet little heart. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Horsefeathers... Not buying that nonsense at all. I suspicion more likely you snuck in from the south in recent years.
Change via the system has not been possible for many years. You honestly think I don't know that? By voting for Dr.Paul or Chuck Baldwin, I can at least send the fuckers running the show I am not willing to play their silly game. ......and since there aren't enough Americans with a backbone who are willing to do their fair share of lifting, I might as well send them some tainted words hoping they will wake up and see the light. Unfortunately too many of them are D's and R's and will never learn. I must still try however. Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin at their worst, no 100 times at their worst, are a thousand times better than what we've had since Teddy Roosevelt; and it's only gonna get worse and we cvan only blame ourselves.
I glow in the dark. So that should put that theory to rest.
Eustace Mullins was the researcher and writer for Senator McCarthy. One does not come with better credentials than that. For his effort he was ostracized by MSM.
......and since there aren't enough Americans with a backbone who are willing to do their fair share of lifting, I might as well send them some tainted words hoping they will wake up and see the light. Unfortunately too many of them are D's and R's and will never learn. I must still try however. Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin at their worst, no 100 times at their worst, are a thousand times better than what we've had since Teddy Roosevelt; and it's only gonna get worse and we cvan only blame ourselves. You remind me of an olde friend of mine that would get all lickered up and then trot into the nearest watering hole looking to fight everyone. I kicked his ass and we became best friends. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Lac... It was a statement,nothing personal. we find many people here that honestly beleive there can be change via the system.
God bless Tailgunner Joe bump
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
La de da... By Saturday nite bath time I have a green mist around me, so there.
You could fool me. Some of the things these people write would be better off posted at Ripley's Believe it or Not. Maybe I expect too much. I always thought if it looked like a duck and quacked like a duck, it must be a duck. I guess some of them must be raccoons in drag!
You could say that again. Dial back the weed, duuuuude.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
ok. that might be a legitimate criticism in some people's opinion, but can you please cite a post by bluegrass that led you to believe that he's a neocon?
I believe that! I've been really frustrated since 1964 when Barry Goldwater lost to lbj and it is getting worse as each election goes by. I just shake my head!
Still sticking your nose in where it is not expected.
By Saturday nite bath time I have a green mist around me, so there. LOL!
I supported and voted for Goldwater, took a lot of grief by the Johnsonites. When the endless war came home in bodybags, the Johnson people fell silent and no one admitted voting for him.
LOL Not funny at all. I am doing my patriotic duty. Water conservation is good, soap is made from bad things and Gore says GREEN is in. So there.
I am doing my patriotic duty. Water conservation is good, soap is made from bad things and Gore says GREEN is in. So there. You're probably just flavoring up your batch of hootch.
I hate having to pick up all the s#it you have flung around, but you're hitting some friendlies and I'm about ready to pop you boy. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
hootch???? Good heavens, I have always been a teetotaler, even tried to join the WCTU (they threw me out),the ferment of the grape shall never pass my lips.
Key word: grape LOL
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I lie and fib a lot and make up the truth as I go along.
Good work if you can get it. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I curse. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I curse. ;-) Now and again I insert Gods honest truth and everyone knows I am lying again.
Riiiight. I suspect you were thrown out after the Arthur Murray incident showed up on a background check. Those gals have a low tolerance for Bitter Bossanova Boys Bearing Bombastic Bromides of Bravery.
I try to be nice, but y'all know it's insincerity in it's highest form. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Nite all! Get to coat check before cyni does.
Riiiight. I suspect you were thrown out after the Arthur Murray incident showed up on a background check. Those gals have a low tolerance for Bitter Bossanova Boys Bearing Bombastic Bromides of Bravery. Thats why I am a Rutherford B. Hayes fan, his wife belonged to the WCTU, banned hootch from the White House and had prayer service every Sunday. I invented "self righteousness".
I was at that convention.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP Attaboy! Run and hide. After all the truth is no fun when people insist on puncturing your fantasy balloons. The reality is that the change Oh'Bummer brought was a chimera conjured up in the minds of the Sucker Class by repeating over and over the magic words of mass manipulation "change, change, change", "change with meaning" where no meaning is ever supplied. Your membership in good standing is expressed in the way you insist upon denying what is rapidly becoming obvious. Oh'bummer is busy hiding stuff about his background, appointing the same controlled and corrupt insiders while hiding who he is really owned by. Now, go drink your Kool-Aid like a good reality denier.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Merry Christmas my olde comrade !!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
No. Lac says so. He also thinks voting matters.
80 MILLION eligible Americans did NOT vote. I was one.
I didn't either. I won't play a rigged game.
The "system" is like the pea and shell game. There is NO pea in play at any time and the Rube gets slickered every time. Tell that to resident partisan believers.
Have you read much O. Henry? His most valuable contribution was to detail the various scams, cons and grifts that were being pulled on the hayseeds of the time. As scams always work their up and down the political ladder, he's a good guide to how not to get conned.
O. Henry???? Good heavens. That was back 60 years ago or more.
The mindset in here is one that looks to history and reality, mixed with a little experience in making determinations that might affect our lives irrespective of Party politics. You are the crusader. You pant like a dog for your boy, Obama. You make unfounded claims based purely upon unfounded speculation supported only by your committment to socialism/communism. Your mindset is shit, you are not alone there were millions of you idiots, but the rest of us don't deserve what people like you have foisted upon us. It might be understandable if this were your first election or maybe you were an illegal alien. The only saving grace for you and others of your ilk is the fact that the mainstream candidates were all shit too. Turds of a feather all flocking together. It's good that you depart because you'd be getting admonished like a red headed step-child until the communist agent you have supported is gone.
They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !
He's worth a re-visit if you ever find yourself with time.
I see. I'll have a favor to ask then.
You know, my inital posting on this thread was to bluegrass. Then you stuck your nose in and didn't give the neo bluegrass a chance to respond. For that, you have put your own neck in the noose because we stupid Americans love to stick our nose in where it doesn't belong; even when it is shit we are about to stick our nose in.
#186. To: OliviaFNewton (#183)
I told you guys that the clerk at Ellis Island couldn't spell Calimyrna,
#187. To: Cynicom (#170)
The call to arms has gone unheeded, by all of us.
#188. To: Cynicom (#186)
Not buying that nonsense at all. I suspicion more likely you snuck in from the south in recent years.
#189. To: christine, LACUMO, all (#184)
Eustace Mullins
#190. To: LACUMO (#187)
You honestly think I don't know that? By voting for Dr.Paul or Chuck Baldwin, I can at least send the fuckers running the show I am not willing to play their silly game.
#191. To: LACUMO (#187)
You honestly think I don't know that?
#192. To: Cynicom (#189)
Senator McCarthy
#193. To: OliviaFNewton (#188)
I glow in the dark. So that should put that theory to rest.
#194. To: christine (#184)
bluegrass a neocon? my gosh,
#195. To: LACUMO (#194)
You could fool me.
#196. To: LACUMO (#194)
Some of the things these people write would be better off posted at Ripley's Believe it or Not
#197. To: Cynicom (#191)
It was a statement,nothing personal. we find many people here that honestly beleive there can be change via the system.
#198. To: Rotara (#195)
You could say that again.
#199. To: Cynicom (#193)
La de da...
#200. To: LACUMO (#197)
I've been really frustrated since 1964 when Barry Goldwater lost to lbj and it is getting worse as each election goes by.
#201. To: OliviaFNewton (#199)
By Saturday nite bath time I have a green mist around me, so there.
#202. To: Cynicom (#201)
Not funny at all.
#203. To: LACUMO (#198)
Still sticking your nose in where it is not expected.
#204. To: OliviaFNewton (#202)
batch of hootch.
#205. To: Cynicom (#204)
the ferment of the grape shall never pass my lips
#206. To: Rotara (#205)
Key word: grape
#207. To: Cynicom (#206)
#208. To: Cynicom (#206)
I lie and fib a lot and make up the truth as I go along.
#209. To: Rotara (#208)
I lie and fib a lot and make up the truth as I go along.
#210. To: Cynicom (#204)
(Edited)
Good heavens, I have always been a teetotaler, even tried to join the WCTU (they threw me out),the ferment of the grape shall never pass my lips.
#211. To: Cynicom (#209)
Now and again I insert Gods honest truth and everyone knows I am lying again.
#212. To: all (#211)
#213. To: OliviaFNewton (#210)
Good heavens, I have always been a teetotaler, even tried to join the WCTU (they threw me out),the ferment of the grape shall never pass my lips.
#214. To: LACUMO (#197)
I've been really frustrated since 1964 when Barry Goldwater lost to lbj and it is getting worse as each election goes by.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#215. To: Ferret Mike, christine, Rotara, all (#68)
It's been fun. But that was then, and this is now. Take care.
#216. To: Original_Intent (#215)
#217. To: Rotara, LACUMO (#178)
Are you a neocon ?
#218. To: bluegrass (#217)
He also thinks voting matters.
#219. To: Cynicom (#218)
#220. To: bluegrass (#219)
#221. To: Cynicom (#220)
#222. To: bluegrass (#221)
#223. To: Ferret Mike (#68)
if you don't join the crusade, you are shit and deserve what you get. That is the mindset in here.
#224. To: Cynicom (#222)
That was back 60 years ago or more.
#225. To: Cynicom (#213)
I invented "self righteousness".
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