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Title: Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head
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The New American
URL Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/562
Published: Dec 2, 2008
Author: Written by Kurt Williamsen
Post Date: 2008-12-02 22:57:52 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: Obama, Berg, Citizenship Scandal, Birth Certificate Fraud
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Comments: 225
Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head Written by Kurt Williamsen Tuesday, 02 December 2008 20:54 As we have reported earlier in our article "Barack Obama and the Citizenship Scandal," it has been alleged that Barack Obama is ineligible to become president for two reasons: evidence has come forward that Obama was born in Kenya, not the United States as required by the Constitution (because only one of Obama's parents is an American); and even if he was born here, his mother relinquished his citizenship by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen. This story has gained credence, separating it from Internet rumors, because Obama has reputedly hired three law firms (firms, not lawyers) to make sure that no one gets access to his birth records in Hawaii or his college transcripts from Occidental College and Harvard. (It is speculated that the transcripts will show he applied for aid to foreign students.) Philip J. Berg, a lifelong Democrat, sued to see Obama's original birth certificate, but a court ruled that because Berg was not in some way harmed by Obama — monetarily, physically, or reputation-wise — he was not a plaintiff in good standing. This action by the court put a temporary end to the belief that we would ever know the answer to the accusations. But now the claim is flaring up again for several reasons: • Alan Keyes, a presidential candidate of the American Independent Party, and Markham Robinson, a California elector, have now sued to see Obama's birth certificate (these men would definitely have legal "standing" to sue as plaintiffs in this case). • The We the People Foundation took out a full-page ad in the Chicago Tribune about the scandal. • On Friday, December 5, the Supreme Court will have a "conference" on the question of Obama's citizenship. (If four out of the nine justices vote to hear the case, oral arguments may be scheduled.) Obama supporters have derided attempts to challenge Obama's citizenship as merely sour grapes by sore losers, and they point to the website FactChect.org, as well as a statement by Hawaii's Department of Health Director who said Obama has a legitimate birth certificate, as proof of their rightness. (Various quotes by Obama's supporters also make it clear that they don't care whether or not he was born in the United States, or whether or not the Constitution is upheld.) Those pressing the issue note that FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and that Obama was on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. They note also that Hawaiian Health Department officials did not state that Obama has an original birth certificate from Hawaii. In fact, what Obama has given to FactCheck.org to prove his citizenship is not a birth certificate, but a certificate of live birth, something that would not ordinarily be accepted as legal proof of citizenship. Also, it is suspicious that no doctors or nurses have come forward and said that they were at Obama's birth in Hawaii, but Obama's grandmother in Kenya has been taped saying that she was at his birth in Kenya. Is Obama hiding something? Most likely yes. A person just doesn't spend something on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep one's birth records a secret unless one has something to hide. I personally have had to provide my birth certificate to several employers before they would agree to hire me. For a normal person, showing one's birth certificate is not a big deal. I've also had to give out my college records — again, not a big deal. But that leads to important questions: should this be pursued, and will it succeed? Yes, it should be pursued because to ignore it is to say that the Constitution is no longer the law of the land and is instead just an old piece of paper. Will it succeed? In my opinion, no. Neither the Supreme Court, nor the electors who will soon cast their votes for president, are impartial bodies. But that is not an argument for not pursuing it. — AP Images
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I'm addressing this point only since I fully believe Obama is not a citizen. The above statement is wrong. If you go down the county, at least here in Sacramento, what you get as official proof is a "Certificate of Live Birth". It says it is a "certified copy of vital records" and has the embossed county seal on it. It is the document I used to get my passport therefore it is legal proof of citizenship. That said, the one he has shown is fake in my opinion.
Title: New Video: Dr. Ron Polarik on the authenticity of Obama's COLB New Video: Dr. Ron Polarik on the authenticity of Obama's COLB Monday, 24 November 2008 20:18 Webmaster Main – News This video provides an analysis of Obama's Certificate of Live Birth by Dr. Ron Polarik detailing the factors contributing to his conclusion that the document is not authentic. "Dr. Polarik" is a pseudonym and his identity is obscured in this video.
We have to show birth certificates (original certified copies from the Dept of Vital Statistics) to get a Passport, Driver's License, etc. How has Obama escaped? Does he even have a US Passport? If so, how did he get it without a certified copy of his birth certificate proving US citizenship? Are Fuhrers exempt from international laws (Passport and/or Visa in and out of each country) when they travel just because they are the POTUS? Inquiring minds want to know why the messiah seems to be above the law. Even if he IS a citizen, he broke the law if he applied for aid to foreign students.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition SILENT RUNNING www.conservapedia.com/Barack_Obama Secrecy The Democratic party feels it necessary to keep all questions about Obama at a safe distance. It is an unprecedented move to keep secrets about a presidential candidate. The following questions remain sealed from the public. [103] 1. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate 2. Columbia College records 3. Columbia Thesis paper 4. Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups 5. Harvard College records 6. Illinois State Senate records 7. Illinois State Senate schedule 8. Law practice client list and billing records/summary 9. Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mothers 10. Medical records (only the one page summary released so far) 11. Occidental College records 12. Parent's Marriage Certificate 13. Record of baptism 14. Selective Service Registration 15. Trips schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007 16. Scholarly articles 17. Access to his Grandmother (Obama's Grandmother has since passed away from cancer [58]) 18. List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists Obama keeps donations secret by exploiting a loophole that allows campaigns to refuse to divulge donations under $200.00. This is useful to the candidate because many of his contributions are from dubious foreign or illegal sources. It is described as the "largest pool of unidentified money that has ever flooded into the U.S. election system, before or after the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reforms of 2002." [104]
Precisely because Messiah cannot produce evidence that he is "natural born" is why the Power Brokers made sure he was elected to the Oval Office. Messiah is above the law only as long as the Power Brokers do not reveal his Achilles Heel.
My "if" should have been an "is". I hate when that happens.
Don't forget that here you have the option to go back and edit to correct typos or change something in the post - for 3 hours after you post - unlike LP.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Yeah and I took full advantage of it this time around. Because the sheep allow it, in every aspect of their fraud allowing lives. The peace and freedom lacking in this world is exactly proportionate to the amount of fraud the people accept. People accept fraud because in many instances they think it benefits them to accept it. Many people accept fraud when they think it benefits them even when they know it harms others, even those they "claim" to love. These people are a bigger fraud than those that knowingly operate the grandest frauds. Seek truth and damn the lie/fraud. Following the pied pipers of propaganda is why we continually find ourselves where we are, NO WHERE.
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
I hate those "meeces" to pieces !!!
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
Why didn't the RNC bring this issue up? They were trying to find anything they could to discredit Obama. Why didn't the McCain/Palin campaign bring this issue up? Why didn't the current president (moron bush) bring this issue up? Why didn't roody julieannie or any of the others campaigning for the Republican party nomination bring this issue to the attention of the public? Why didn't the Dept. of Justice address this issue? Why didn't Ron Paul directly address this issue? Is he part of the conspiracy? Oh and by the way, did you see these? Lawsuit blames the September 11 attack on a RICO conspiracy involving, among others, the first President Bush, Condoleeza Rice, the Council for Foreign Relations, and Kenneth Feinberg. News Conference – Wednesday - 11/26/03 – 12 Noon 5th & Ranstead Streets, Philadelphia [corner of Bourse Building with Independence Hall in background] 911 Victim’s Wife, Ellen Mariani, files RICO Act [Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act] Federal Court Complaint against President Bush and Cabinet Members (Philadelphia, PA – 11/26/03) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, announced today that he, attorney for Ellen Mariani, wife of Louis Neil Mariani, who died when United Air Lines flight 175 was flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Center on 9-11 at a news conference regarding the filing of a detailed Amended Complaint in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania on 11/26/03 in the case of Mariani vs. Bush et al that he is alleging President Bush and officials including, but not limited to Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Feinberg that they: 1. had knowledge/warnings of 911 and failed to warn or take steps to prevent; 2. have been covering up the truth of 911; and 3. have therefore violated the laws of the United States; and 4. are being sued under the Civil RICO Act. Berg stated: “I will be detailing the charges against Bush and others and handing out copies of the: 1. Amended Complaint; 2. a Letter from Ellen Mariani to President Bush that sets forth her beliefs that President Bush knowingly and willfully failed to act and prevent the murder of her husband on 911 and the ongoing obstruction of justice; and 3. a Sworn Affidavit that the United States government twenty-eight [28] years ago undertook a study to prevent the very events of 911. Mrs. Mariani was the first victim family member to bring civil action regarding the events of 911 against United Airlines. Since then, the “truth” of 911 has not been forthcoming and Mrs. Mariani, for the good of her country, now seeks the truth via this courageous action under the RICO Act. Berg said: “The events surrounding "911" to date have yet to be uncovered. While America was under attack, for approximately the next seven (7) to eighteen (18) minutes Defendant GWB continues to listen to the goat story while Plaintiff's husband was just murdered and does not immediately assume his duties as Commander-in-Chief of the United States Armed Forces. Plaintiff, with her amended complaint intends to expose the truth to remember the dead and to prevent continued deaths of American military personnel due to President Bush's "failure to act and prevent" the worst attacks on our nation since Pearl Harbor. Plaintiff hereby asserts Defendants, officially and individually are exclusively liable to answer the Counts in this Complaint under the United States Constitution and provisions of the 18 U.S.C. § 1964(a) and (c), Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (hereinafter "RICO Act") for "failing to act and prevent" the murder of Plaintiff's husband, Louis Neil Mariani, for financial and political reasons and have "obstructed justice" in the aftermath of said criminal acts and omissions. Defendant GWB has purported to the American People and the Plaintiff that the infamous attacks of "911" were directly masterminded by Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda Network terrorists (hereinafter "OBL"), almost immediately after the attacks. Yet, Defendant GWB has not been forthright and honest with regard to his administration's pre-knowledge of the potential of the "911" attacks and Plaintiff seeks to compel Defendant GWB to justify why her husband Louis Neil Mariani died on "911.' Plaintiff believes Defendant GWB is invoking a long standard operating procedure of invoking national security and executive privilege claims to suppress the basis of this lawsuit that Defendant GWB, et al., failed to act and prevent the "911" attacks. Plaintiff asserts, contrary to Defendant GWB's assertion that OBL is responsible for "911," the compelling evidence that will be presented in this case through discovery, subpoena power by this Court and testimony at trial will lead to one undisputed fact, Defendant GWB failed to act and prevent "911" knowing the attacks would lead to our nation having to engage in an "International War on Terror (IWOT)" which would benefit Defendants both financially and for political reasons. There are significant business ties that will be proven between Defendants and OBL's family which raise serious conflict of interest and other matters wherein "failing to act and prevent" the "911" attacks have benefited Defendants. Reports have emerged and will be confirmed through discovery that the Carlyle Group, the giant U.S. defense contractor until recently employed Defendant and former President GHB. Hence, the "Bush Family" and other Defendants financial profiting by war goes to the heart of Plaintiff's RICO Act claim. Plaintiff asserts, in the late 1970's and throughout the 1980's, Defendants were allies with OBL and Saddam Hussein during the former Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan and Iran-Iraq war respectively, wherein, personal and political deals were made and it is believed upon discovery, these dealings hold the truth about "911." In sum, Plaintiff will call to trial former federal employees with firsthand knowledge and expertise with military intelligence and other duties to support the underlying RICO Act foundational basis to prove Defendants have engaged in a "pattern of criminal activity and obstruction of justice" in violation of the public trust and laws of the United States for personal and financial gains. Plaintiff will prove, Defendants have engaged our nation in an endless war on terror to achieve their personal goals and agendas. /////// ** Copy of sixty-one [61] page Amended Complaint available by e-mail” – contact Phil Berg at PJBLAW@aol.com /////// [Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate; an attorney with offices in Montgomery County and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA.] www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0311/S00261.htm PHILADELPHIA ATTORNEY PHIL BERG DEMANDS DISBARMENT OF (3) U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICES - O'CONNOR, SCALIA and THOMAS ON THE ONE (1) YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF BUSH vs. GORE, THE CASE THAT "ANOINTED" BUSH AS PRESIDENT (Philadelphia, PA - 12/12/01) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania and political activist, an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA today, on the 1st anniversary of the U.S. Supreme Court decision in Bush vs. Gore which "anointed" Bush as President writes to three (3) U.S. Supreme Court Justices, Justices O'Connor, Scalia and Thomas requesting that they agree to "Voluntary Disbarment" for failing to "recuse" themselves in said case and other violations. Berg said: "The attached letter is self explanatory requesting three (3) U.S. Supreme Court Justices to agree to voluntary disbarment from the practice of law. It is the appearance of impartiality not the reality of bias or prejudice that dictates and in this case, there was not only appearance but also actual conflict of interest. They violated the rules of conduct and must accept the consequences of their partisan action. The three (3) Justices of The Supreme Court of the United States should voluntarily turn in their licenses in their respective states or we will ask that disciplinary action be undertaken including disbarment as well as summary suspension in their respective states for violating the Rules of Court and not 'recusing' themselves in the case of Bush vs. Gore and other violations Specifically, Justices O'Connor, Scalia and Thomas. groups.google.com/group/phl.media/msg/2e1564f62484903f Pictures of the Phillip Berg Team and those who buy into this wacko conspiracy theory
If Obama was a natural born citizen he would have simply produced a birth certificate instead of hiring law firms to fight this. It looks like they are going to let him be president anyway since he is the elite's chosen puppet. He is the "one", at least that is what they told him.
God is always good!
$600 MILLION DOLLARS has bought and paid for Obummer. There is more money where that came from to ensure his installation as Savior or Monarch or whatever. The LAW has always been for sale if enough money and or power is involved.
Would someone please delete this spam. It's obvious this moonie poster doesn't want all points of view discussed.
What is obvious is that I am not stupid enough to spend all my time on conspiracy theories created by wackos like Berg. The guy is a nut. And again, if there was any validity to this the RNC and all the other politicans would have jumped all over it. But I guess some people are so desperate they will believe anything including brainless conspiracy theories while our country is destroyed because they ignore the important issues and focus on these.
Why? Look at how this is distracting from the important issues and causing division between people and groups? They know what they are doing... it's called propaganda used to confuse the masses.
If there wasn't any validity to it Obama would produce a birth certificate instead of wasting millions in court fighting it. Calling people stupid for using their brains while you are not using yours is very stupid.
God is always good!
No, it is called throwing money away. Money that could be better spent on prostitutes and cocaine. They do not need such side issues like this, which the MSM is not even reporting, to cause divisions among people, his stated agenda alone causes the divisions.
God is always good!
Do you think he and the others are concerned? It is taxpayer $ they are using to pay the law firms. They want people to focus on this propaganda. It makes it easier to do the other things that are destroying our country, our economy and the middle class. How can anybody believe this crap knowing that politicians will dig up anything on their opponents during a campaign and the RNC didn't say a word about it?
You really believe that don't you? You have no idea what politicians really are or why they do this kind of crap do you?
Berg has filed an emergency motion for immediate injunction, America's Right blogger and legal writer Jeff Schreiber reports. Berg is asking the court to stop state certification of electors to keep the Electoral College from meeting Dec. 15 and casting votes for Obama. He is also seeking to postpone the official vote count Jan. 6 until the court reaches a decision on his appeal. Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. and thus a "natural-born American" as required by Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution? "It is my firm belief, my one thousand percent firm belief," Berg told Schreiber, "that he does not meet the natural born qualifications, that he should not be voted for by the electors, and that he should not be sworn in this January unless he shows his credentials ... which he of course cannot, simply because he does not have them."
Title: SPACE RESERVED FOR NEWS ON COURT ORDER (BERG Vs. OBAMA)
Very cute: Where's the Birth Certificate ???
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
Try to get a passport without a birth certificate. How can anybody believe this crap? It is propaganda, probably created and refined by Karl Rove and the propaganda experts in the Republican and Democrat parties. WAKE UP!
LOL ! "Don't look at the man behind the curtain..he's important and very busy !" AmeriKa has no Preznit, only Plutocratically selected rulers. Either way, Obamalamadingdong the Commie Globalist should not be allowed by We The People to be placed on the throne. The process is phony, let's be done with it ! Show us the original !! Show us the original !! Show us the original !!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Without a Certificate of Live Birth - or a cheesy old Hawaiian cover up birth certificate such as Hawaii issued to baby Barack - the same slimey cheese which was also issued to others who were born overseas but scammed the system via Hawaii ? You were born at night, weren't you ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
That .gif is a riot. What a delightful 4 years (or less) this is going to be!
Why didn't the McCain/Palin campaign bring this issue up? Either through cluelessness or selective amnesia, some people appear to forget that McCain had citizenship issues of his own. Those issues were resolved with a non-binding Senate resolution backed by Obama and Hillary. McCain stayed away from the issue on purpose. When useful idiots begin to ignore the mindless thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.RES.511: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen. (Agreed to by Senate) SRES 511 ATS 110th CONGRESS 2d Session S. RES. 511 Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen. IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES April 10, 2008 Mrs. MCCASKILL (for herself, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. COBURN, Mrs. CLINTON, and Mr. WEBB) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary April 24, 2008 Reported by Mr. LEAHY, without amendment April 30, 2008 Considered and agreed to RESOLUTION Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen. Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen' of the United States; Whereas the term `natural born Citizen', as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States; Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country's President; Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen' clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress's own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen'; Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders; Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
This brings up a question: Why can't Obama just get a similar resolution passed?
I've been sifting through your posts to judge the depth of your Ostooper. You're a winner, don't let anyone tell you any different: #16. To: farmfriend (#13) His mother was a full citizen. And until/unless she tossed it out the window she is still a citizen, no matter where she lives or who she marries. He was born in Hawaii. Wake up, this is a way of distracting voters and more often than not it is done by the Unification Church leadership. Remember the BS about him going to a Wahhabi school that was supposedly claimed by Clinton? It was in fact the Unification Church leadership that started that rumor. It began in Insight Magazine which is owned by Moon and the Unification Church. It's time people quit buying into all the BS so we can finally start to judge and make accurate decisions about politicians based on facts and truth. I'm tired of reading all the crap. It's gotten so bad I'm considering not voting this year. bush_is_a_moonie posted on 2008-08-23 2:03:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Wow, the messiah must be angry with you, peon. Up to this point you judged Obamalamadingdong to be your saviour ! Good work half brain.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Obama Birth Certificate: Who Determines Presidential Eligibility?
I wonder why they didn't get a two-fer in the same bill. Hmmm.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
news.aol.com/political-ma...rth-certificate-doubters/ Q&A With Obama Birth Certificate Doubters By Liza Porteus Viana Dec 2nd 2008 12:31PM Filed Under:eBarack Obama, 2008 President We here at the Machine told you yesterday that the controversy over Barack Obama's birth certificate is still raging. The latest is that the We The People Foundation have taken out a full-page ad in the Chicago Tribune two days this week - Monday (yesterday) and Wednesday. I e-mailed Bob Schulz, chairman of the foundation, to ask him a few questions about why his group and some other right-wing blogs and individuals still aren't convinced of the authenticity of the Hawaii birth certificate provided by the president-elect, and vouched for by Hawaii officials. Here's the Q&A: Q.) Why don't you believe that the Hawaiian authorities have vouched for the authenticity of the birth certificate filed with that state for President-elect Obama? The state's Department of Health director on Oct. 31 released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Obama's birth certificate. DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate. A.) Yes, Hawaii officials have publicly verified that they possess Obama's original birth certificate, however in their official press release they fail to state it is an original birth certificate from Hawaii. In fact, under Hawaiian law, a foreign born child can be registered as a naturalized (but not "natural born") U.S. citizen following application of the parents, (See, Hawaiian law provides for registration of out-of-state births under HRS 338-17.8. ). Such persons would be eligible to receive a "Certification of Live Birth" from the state, such as the document Obama has proffered. "Naturalized" citizens, such as the Governor of California, cannot hold the office of President. This of course, does not resolve the thornier issue as to the content of Obama's birth document. Specifically the stated "place of birth" may not in fact reflect the physical location of Obama's birth (as evidenced by the "original" certificate of Live Birth claimed to be in the possession of Hawaii officials), but rather the local Hawaii residency of the U.S. parent claimed in a birth registration application such as that provided by HRS 338-17.8 (See above). In any event the document is simply a computer-created document based upon the entries in a computer database, which may have been conceivably tampered with at some point. Hawaii law also provides for "amending" birth certificates. From the official web page: "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country." In short, the document proffered by Obama does not contain all the information needed to conclusively verify that he is legally eligible to hold the Office of President. Additionally, beyond their refusal to minimally confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii, state officials also refuse to comment on the authenticity of Obama's birth document. All these questions could be resolved by Obama by simply providing access to his original birth certificate. Q.) What reputable sources have discredited the birth certificate already produced by Obama? A.) Attorney Phil Berg states in his lawsuit against Obama, "...three (3) independent Document Forensic Experts performed extensive Forensic testing on the Certificate of Live Birth posted on Obama's campaign website." He has not publicly identified his sources but one of them is reported to be a reputable professional forensics expert going under the pseudonym "Polarik" for his family's protection. His latest comprehensive report concluding Obama's document is a forgery can be found here. He has also posted a short YouTube video. Q.) How much did you pay for these 2 full-page ads (on Dec. 1 and 3)? A.) Tens of thousands of dollars. It was a negotiated amount. Q.) What sort of reaction have you received so far to the ads? A.) We have experienced significant media interest from primarily talk shows and newspapers, including some well-known media entities. We have hoped that our ads would spur public debate on this topic and hopefully, this may have begun. In the end, there is no practical reason why Obama refuses to produce his original birth certificate. He is seeking the Office of President and has a duty to provide evidence that he meets the explicit requirements established by the Constitution.
This of course, does not resolve the thornier issue as to the content of Obama's birth document. Specifically the stated "place of birth" may not in fact reflect the physical location of Obama's birth (as evidenced by the "original" certificate of Live Birth claimed to be in the possession of Hawaii officials), but rather the local Hawaii residency of the U.S. parent claimed in a birth registration application such as that provided by HRS 338-17.8 (See above). In any event the document is simply a computer-created document based upon the entries in a computer database, which may have been conceivably tampered with at some point. Hawaii law also provides for "amending" birth certificates. From the official web page: "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country." In short, the document proffered by Obama does not contain all the information needed to conclusively verify that he is legally eligible to hold the Office of President. Mr. Half Brain Opile, Do we need to get out the crayons ? Are you going to cry if messiah is deported ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
In his ad, Berg presents four exhibits on which he bases his case: (1) claims that Obama’s paternal Kenyan grandmother is on record as saying she was present when the president-elect was born in that African country; (2) an original birth certificate has never been produced for review and “experts” have called the online image a “forgery”; (3) Obama may still hold Indonesian citizenship since, as a child, he attended school in that country where laws would not allow non-citizen children to attend and also forbade dual citizenship; (4) Obama’s mother was too young to meet the residency requirements of U.S. law which would have enabled her to declare her son a “natural born citizen.”
“In case Senator Obama cannot present proper documentation, he cannot be elected President and SOS has a duty to bar the casting of votes by California electors in support of his candidacy,” the document continues, adding that more than a dozen other legal actions have been filed across the country. “Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President, and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that an usurper [sic] will be sitting as President, and none of the treaties, laws or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal.”
How dare you try and stop the ascension of the selection by using the law !!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
This is one of the most important issues that make up the foundation of our government, flawed as it currently is. If Obummer were a decent, ethical human being, he would have gone out of his way to PROVE his eligibility at the first question of his citizenship. His reluctance shows how greedy he is to obtain the Presidency. I demand a full accounting of his background and demand that ALL questions about his life be answered.
“change you can believe in.”
The laws were taken to the pond and drowned decades ago. Of course, we HAVE to obey or else ! Feh
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
While America was under attack, for approximately the next seven (7) to eighteen (18) minutes Defendant GWB continues to listen to the goat story while Plaintiff's husband was just murdered and does not immediately assume his duties as Commander-in-Chief of the United States Armed Forces. what about berg's 911 lawsuit was wacky?
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. [deleted by request of the poster]
Haaaaahahahahaha! Your selected boy is nothing but a Johnson slurping ACORN fraud. DEAL
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
By the way, I'm taking bus driving lessons. Can't wait to introduce myself, pig boy.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Sir, you're way out of line here.. I've, to my regret, flamed out here before but I have never seen anything like this..
Mike, is there a particular reason that you're ignoring this question? : Mike, the reality is that as he hasn't released his birth certificate, there's no evidence that he was born in Hawaii. He's spent almost a million bucks to keep his birth certificate out of the conversation. If Bush had spent a million bucks to keep any of his documents out of the public eye, would you be defending his actions as vigorously as you do Obama's?
I've, to my regret, flamed out here before but I have never seen anything like this.. I've seen just as bad posted to him and no one said a word.
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No thanks. Hope ya feel better.
Yes, reading this fowl language is just plain degrading for all.
DEPORT OBAMALAMADINGDONG ! The Witch is Almost Dead !!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I have not..
Thank you. My point is simple; this place has become a Lynch mob where one side is out to browbeat anyone that disagrees with the majority here into submission and silence. Tara here even has done death threats. I am in forums to discuss and engage in lively discussion where after the disagreement, people still respect another's right to their point of view and humanity. I am not here because to engage with intolerent and cruel people with narrow minds. The mission statement of this forum has been made a farce by those who promote a FReeper mindset of intolerance, cruelty and intimidation. This place was unfortunately become a waste of time, it is choir for one side of a mindset of opinions only.
You are correct. Within one year Obama will be sifted and weighed for his executive acumen as POTUS, the proof will be evident to all whether America chose wisely or not.
Believe it or not, Truth really exists. I'm not sure anyone can recognize it in an atmosphere of subterfuge, controlled media, brainwashing/psychological manipulation, and treason. But I do know one thing. There are people on the 4um who recognize the one Truth: Liberty. They also recognize it has been lost.. which changes the rules of the game. The strategy now must be to regain those Liberties or forever give them up for lost. There can be few differences of opinion on this goal, other than how best to achieve it. You have a choice. Rather than defect, I hope you stay. May Peace be with you.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP But I do know one thing. There are people on the 4um who recognize the one Truth: Liberty. They also recognize it has been lost.. which changes the rules of the game. The strategy now must be to regain those Liberties or forever give them up for lost. There can be few differences of opinion on this goal, other than how best to achieve it. In this regard, the diversity of opinion that you laud and extol is too often an opinion diametrically opposed to the very existence of the fact that Liberty has been infringed at all. And in the cold cruel face of reality and the gravity of the situation with which we are faced, such thoughts, which are considered opposed to the new goal of regaining our lost Liberty, are not allies. This has now become a war of words. And everything and everyone who opposes Liberty is fair game for verbal assault. You have a choice. You can stay on the right side (there is one) and try to help us find solutions. You can leave believing that no Liberty is lost, and all is well, and that we here at 4um are the problem, and leave to become a bewildered casualty of the totalitarian war that has already been waged against everything that we know is moral and just. Liberty is in the ICU. Rather than defect, I hope you stay. May Peace be with you. that was so well said, Indie. your words articulate my sentiments exactly. thank you.
There is no morality in war. Morality is the privilege of those judging from the distance. War is only death and destruction.--John Cory
I missed the death threats but I have seen the name calling etc. Not appropriate behavior in my book. I've said as much to him both publicly and privately. Bad behavior is bad behavior. That is how it should be. Everyone should have the attitude of "I disagree with what you say but I defend your right to say it". It is difficult to be the odd man out. Hard to take the oppsite view in the enemie's camp. I hate to see those on my side of the battle act intolerant and obnoxious. I've always tried to answer to the argument rather than get personal although I've recently broken my own rule and verbally slapped someone on another forum. Everyone should police their own behavior and point out behavior that steps over the line regardless of who does it.
May Peace be with you. Having other things to do at the first of the month, I've not been here much today, but that was an outstanding reply to whomever.
Yes. assuming he takes office, history is always the better judge. It will be interesting to see where Bush ends up.
Listen, you have an arrogance here that has Tara doing soliloquies about how he has tried to bring people around to his point of view, and because they would not listen, they deserve that they get. This sort of belittling, browbeating and arrogance is very much designed to end discussion, not promote it. I also am sure the classic FReeper tactic of organizing behind the scenes to pour complaints to the forum administration about opponents is in play here as well. People are doing here what they learned to do in FReeperland. I have been around a long time and seen all these tactics and I an hip to them. I am here because I like debate and lively talk. But I am no whips and chains groupie that goes places where there is a 'mercy is for the weak' attitude in play where all opposition must absolutely be silenced or else. I am patient, but to a point. There is no will here to make this forum work. A critical mass has been reached of one side where it is useless to debate or discuss if moderators don't enforce a level playing field. Your exploration is to the wrong man. Send it to he or she who referees things here. Only they can decide whether things will work or not. I see an awful lot of people telling me I don't understand the U.S. Constitution and only they do. I am here to tell you that the Constitution is there to protect minority positions and groups from the whims and caprice of majorities they are not part of. For example, freedom of religion is there because of the tendency for majority religions to push to scorch the earth of the lives of those who do not comply by joining up. People who are ruthless and intolerant of another's position saying they are doing so because those who say defend Barack Obama don't understand the Constitution themselves show a core lack of comprehension how that document works and why it is supposed to do so that way. When you see the argument's cognitive shift move to where you see a Tara calling for the deportation of a U.S. citizen because his guilty before innocent mindset is not getting the high profile nationally he wants, there is something wrong with a forum. I know exactly what is wrong here and why, and me merely staying and watching it get worse is not a useful and constructive thing to do.
you're wrong about that, Mike. not only is there no organization, but there hasn't been one person who has complained to me about your presence here or who has requested that you be banned. in fact, any communication that i have received in private regarding you has been supportive of your right to speak and share your points of view. this has also been expressed to you publicly by a number of members as well. this you should know. each person here is responsible for their own words. as the forum owner, i do not and will not try to steer the direction of conversation, topics of discussion or opinions of the whole forum.
There is no morality in war. Morality is the privilege of those judging from the distance. War is only death and destruction.--John Cory
Mike, I daresay that 4um is more tolerant of differing points-of-view than DU or the ACLU forums.
I am not speaking about me. I was talking about sign I've seen of that happening to others. No matter, as I said, the U.S. Constitution is there to provide checks and balances. I see none here. The Constitution is there to protect unpopular few of any group against the mindset, opinions and world view of the majority. Before you whine about your issue on a birth certificate that has gone from theory to lynch mob absolute status that this is gospel truth being a worthy crusade, step back from the bark of the tree it is and look at the entire forest. Barack Obama, even if this were true cannot and should not be deported, yet nobody corrects this as a lynch mob attitude on the issue exists here. I see President-elect Obama as having a very savvy understanding of the dynamics of lynch mob Swift Boating, and I full concur with the treating of this tempest in a teapot with the disdain it deserves. He and his team know there is no meat to this issue, and it is not requisite for them to educate those who just want to destroy him primarily for quite a different set of reasons and to serve the agenda of a different sort of political POV then that he represents. There is no separation here of opinion from the people expressing the thought, if you don't join the crusade, you are shit and deserve what you get. That is the mindset in here. And you show you are so sure of yourself, you have no intention of protecting anyone feeling differently then you. Have fun, as for myself I just as soon fain not be part of this confederacy of dunces partaking in this Lynch scene. It's been fun. But that was then, and this is now. Take care.
LOL You world utopian boot licking white guilter de constructionist Commies are all the same. Drop dead already.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
If so, what better way to make his opponents look like fools than by proving them wrong? If I were in his position, I would dig up my birth certificate and laugh in the faces of what you call a "lynch mob," and so would you. The fact that he hasn't implies that he does have something to hide.
Listen, you have an arrogance here that has Tara doing soliloquies about how he has tried to bring people around to his point of view, and because they would not listen, they deserve that they get. My arrogance? Because I excercise my freedom to speak? Is that now arrogant??!! You said I made Tara do what? Liar. This sort of belittling, browbeating and arrogance is very much designed to end discussion, not promote it. There is neither a duty or any intelligent reason (or law..YET) to promote equal discussion of ideas ..even when diametrically opposed to Liberty. Did you even read my post? Ahhh..it was beyond your IQ...I understand. I also am sure the classic FReeper tactic of organizing behind the scenes to pour complaints to the forum administration about opponents is in play here as well. People are doing here what they learned to do in FReeperland. I have been around a long time and seen all these tactics and I an hip to them. You know damn well you have no fear of being banned here as you insinuate, and that Christine would never condone it. I am here because I like debate and lively talk. But I am no whips and chains groupie that goes places where there is a 'mercy is for the weak' attitude in play where all opposition must absolutely be silenced or else. You do like debate? Then why do you whine? You have a choice. Did you read my post? And I said nothing about silencing you in my post. What I did say was that the voices of reason who stand against you need not be silenced because free speech means just that. I also said voices diametrically opposed to Liberty are fair game for free speech and verbal attack because this is a war of words to reclaim Liberties lost. If you take issue with that, then you are on the wrong side in this struggle. You are no allie. And noone here has to treat you like an allie. It's called the 1st Amendment. You just can't handle it, commie. I am patient, but to a point. There is no will here to make this forum work. A critical mass has been reached of one side where it is useless to debate or discuss if moderators don't enforce a level playing field. There is no such thing as a level playing field except that which exists in the imagination of communists like yourself and Stalin. There is also no duty or responsibility to "make this forum work" because..it already does by virtue of free speech!! Your exploration is to the wrong man. Send it to he or she who referees things here. Only they can decide whether things will work or not. Ahh so we need a referee to make sure you win your arguments. You know damn well you have the ability to argue your case. Your problem is the inability to defend your communist ideals under the light of truth. I see an awful lot of people telling me I don't understand the U.S. Constitution and only they do. I am here to tell you that the Constitution is there to protect minority positions and groups from the whims and caprice of majorities theey are not part of. I am speechless. Totally speechless. For example, freedom of religion is there because of the tendency for majority religions to push to scorch the earth of the lives of those who do not comply by joining up. People who are ruthless and intolerant of another's position saying they are doing so because those who say defend Barack Obama don't understand the Constitution themselves show a core lack of comprehension how that document works and why it is supposed to do so that way. You segue from "religious freedom" to an argument that people have said that your vote for Obama means you do not understand the Constitution? No, I think it's actually worse than you suspect. But those who can read and understand know what I mean. When you see the argument's cognitive shift move to where you see a Tara calling for the deportation of a U.S. citizen because his guilty before innocent mindset is not getting the high profile nationally he wants, there is something wrong with a forum. Well, I never saw any such post. So I can not comment on it. I can assume it was poetic license to score debate points. Regardless, no such law exists to deport you for your beliefs, so that person can say whatever they want without you having to fear it will take place. There IS the bozo feature, remember? I know exactly what is wrong here and why, and me merely staying and watching it get worse is not a useful and constructive thing to do. I digress to my original post and refuse to even respond to the rest. Yeah, my original post.. the one you did not comprehend, but yet somehow addressed. What IS it that you really want Ferret? You have an equal opportunity to speak. You just want to win, even if it means silencing US with a "referee"!! (Hypocrite leftist attitude) Like all leftists, what you want is not equal opportunity, but preferential treatment, where no such right or duty to give it exists. All of your complaints are strawmen. The name of this forum is FREEDOM 4um. You have no love of Freedom, nor do you wish it restored. I will fight you and yours with every word I can muster, now that you have reinforced your true colors.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP Documents nonsense aside, was Obama's mother also not American born? I think not. Then no matter where he was born, is he not just as American as John McCain who was born in Panama?
Mike, you're living proof the political left isn't worth the powder to blow them to hell. I told you a month ago you'd flame out and bolt when Obingo began to assemble his cabinet - that collection of Klinton freaks that they are. And guess what? I was right. You are NTBT. You never were.
Good sentiments. Now try lighting a cigarette. Freedom of Association, Assembly, Right to Gather among like minded people....... Yes, filthy, unhealthy habit.
Befitting this thread's title, I've always found that things got much better after 'things came to a head.'
I think you are right about that. I just don't want bridges to burned here. Some things you just can't take back. Let's face it, that Obama character is NOT worth fighting about amongst ourselves.
Bebe seal strongly disagrees with your assessment: :-)
Bebe seal strongly disagrees with your assessment: lol- The baby seal population here in the CenTex is so very low that I forgot all about those little heads.
I'm not going to waste any more time with you dummys on this issue. You want to be suckered in by the neocons and politicians then be my guest. Hitler, Stalin, Castro and many of the others would love to have taken control of countries full of people like you guys raving about this birth crap. It would have made their jobs so much easier. I wonder how many of you would buy the Golden Gate bridge if it was offered to you cheap. A sucker is born every minute and there are a few of you on here to constantly justify that statement. A couple of you came over from LP and are using the names of others on LP. Whatsa matter? Too ashamed to use the same ID used on LP? LOL. I wonder how many of you are going to be able to admit what suckers you have been. Oh wait, Al Gore's people stole the debate practice documents from the bush campaign people! Reagan didn't know anything about Iran Contra! Oliver North never had anything to do with CIA and drug running! Iraq had so many WMD but they hid them in Russia and Syria when they figured out the US was gonna attack them! Osama Bin Laden is hiding under your bed.. you better be in fear and willing to give up all your rights... we will protect you! Honest we will! LOL What a bunch of goofs.
Go read it and then ask me that question.
No birth certificate yet? What is the matter with u guys? Kinda simple thing, no?
Morris Dancing - put your ass up in the air
According to this intriguing film(s) on this thread, we're both just metaphors for State "livestock" anyway. Neither of us can escape the reservation and/or truly be free.... (The film's author left out "...unless you're rich or powerful" but I believe by doing so they were insinuating they knew their viewers were already aware of that. Besides it would have been a distraction to the main points.) Imagine Big Jew lawyer/banker or the CIAFBICOPSDEAATFIRS behind the man wielding a hammer (made of several jackboots with automatic weapons, a vacuum for financial ruin, several judges and lawyers with their hands held out, and a set of grey bars to remove his freedom) because he may not have a license to be standing where he is or doing what he's doing.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP He's not one of the good guys and he only pretended to be until messiah hit the scene.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
who would that be and how do you know? if you're accusing TwentyTwelve of such, you are wrong. his LP moniker was TwentyTwelve. who else are you accusing?
There is no morality in war. Morality is the privilege of those judging from the distance. War is only death and destruction.--John Cory
I've seen that paranoia once before in another member.
EVIDENCE Despite the assurances of the Obama campaign, the dominant media and Internet commentators, significant unresolved questions still exist regarding Mr. Obama’s ability to meet the explicit requirements of the U.S. Constitution to hold the office of President as a natural born citizen who has not relinquished his American citizenship. Official government documents, statements by officials, affidavits, credible legal pleadings and statements by Mr. Obama’s globally dispersed family members give rise to these questions. Unfortunately, Mr. Obama has remained virtually silent against these allegations, refusing to produce his original (vault), certified, birth certificate as well as other legal documents that are normally readily available, which would quickly resolve the eligibility issue. In fact, the only document provided by Mr. Obama thus far is a 2007 computer-generated Certification of Live Birth, (“COLB”), generated by officials of the state of Hawaii, purportedly at the direction of the Governor and two U.S. Senators. This “short-form” document is NOT the same as the original vault copy (i.e., “Certificate of Live Birth”) as it does not bear a sworn certification of an attendant (physician) or contain other vital birth information such as hospital location, mother’s age, etc. The sample vault copy shown here is a copy of a legal “Certificate of Live Birth” obtained at the request of a person born in Hawaii in 1963. Given the statement of facts included in Mr. Berg’s lawsuit and additional evidence summarized herein, Mr. Obama’s continued failure to squarely address this festering issue suggests he is hiding something regarding the true nature of his citizenship. Absent a rebuttal by Mr. Obama, we believe a reasonable jury would conclude, after reviewing all the evidence, that Mr. Obama does not meet the eligibility requirements. Although the Internet is awash in unsubstantiated assertions and bits and pieces of evidence, we have chosen to focus on several of the most clearly articulated items of evidence. The Berg Lawsuit In August 2008, Pennsylvania attorney Phillip Berg filed a lawsuit seeking to enjoin Barack Obama from running for President unless he produced certain legal documentation establishing his status as a “natural born” citizen. Here is Berg’s initial complaint. What follows is a brief overview of some of the lawsuit’s allegations followed by links to the currently available evidence. a. Mr. Obama’s father was a citizen of Kenya, Obama’s mother was a U.S. Citizen. They met while both were attending the University of Hawaii. There is apparently no question regarding these facts. b. Mr. Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii -- Citing Obama family sources, Berg claims that Obama’s mother, while residing in Kenya, was not allowed by Kenyan authorities (because of her late-stage pregnancy) to fly back to the U.S. before she gave birth to Obama in Kenya. c. Mr. Obama is a citizen of Kenya, not the U.S. – Citing U.S. law in effect in 1961, Mr. Berg argues Obama could not possess U.S. citizenship because Obama’s mother, although a U.S. citizen, was only 18 years old. U.S. immigration law in 1961 explicitly denied U.S. citizenship at birth to children of mixed national parentage, unless the U.S. citizen parent (in this case Obama’s mother) had resided in the U.S. for 10 years, 5 of those required to be after attaining the age of 14. Because Obama’s mother was not yet 19, according to Berg, Obama was either a citizen of Kenya, or in the alternative, became a naturalized U.S. citizen. Either way, Berg argues Obama is not eligible to hold the office of President because he would not be a natural born citizen. NOTE: Attorney Leo C. Donofrio, in his recent brief to the Supreme Court of the United States makes an additional persuasive argument that Mr. Obama fails the eligibility test based on the historical context, purpose and original intent of Constitution’s the natural born citizen clause. After clicking on the following link, click here to read Mr. Donofrio’s arguments to the Supreme Court. d. Obama became a citizen of Indonesia – Following Mr. Obama’s mother’s divorce from Barack Obama (senior), she married Lolo Soetoro, a student at the University of Hawaii and a citizen of Indonesia. In 1967 she moved to Indonesia with Obama. She became a naturalized citizen of Indonesia, relinquishing her American citizenship. At the time, Indonesian law prohibited dual citizenships and American law disallowed dual citizenships if the other country did not allow dual citizenships. At this time, even if Obama was Registered as a “natural born” citizen (which he apparently he was not qualify to be registered as), he would have lost his U.S. Citizenship when his mother married Lolo Soetoro (who apparently adopted Barack Obama giving him the name of Barry Soetoro) and took up residency in Indonesia as a naturalized Indonesian citizen. Berg argues that at the time, Indonesia did not allow dual citizenships, and U.S. law did not allow dual citizenships if the other country did not allow it. FightTheSmears.com In 2007, Mr. Obama released a scanned graphic copy of a computer-generated Certification of Live Berth (“COLB”) via this campaign website, (www.fightthesmears.com). After numerous individuals began to question the authenticity of the document supplied by Obama, a “respected” political watchdog organization, FactCheck.org initiated an “independent” analysis of Obama’s COLB, which included physical examination of the document and photographs of the document. The organization concluded the document is authentic and that, as indicated on the certificate, Obama was therefore born in Honolulu, Hawaii. FactCheck.org apparently did not check the meaning of the content of the authentic, COLB. For instance, FactCheck.org did not determine if the authentic, Hawaiian issued, computer-generated, Certification of Live Birth was generated from a State database that included births that were registered in Hawaii after occurring in foreign countries. According to Berg, it was not uncommon for people living in Hawaii to give birth in foreign countries and then register the birth in Hawaii. Surprisingly, FactCheck.org apparently did not ask Mr. Obama to obtain a copy of the official vault copy of his birth certificate. Beside its apparent failure to investigate the proper document, an apparent conflict of interest exists regarding FactCheck’s analysis. FactCheck.org is an arm of the powerful Annenberg Foundation Statements By Hawaiian Public Officials on the Record On October 31, undoubtedly in reaction to the growing number of lawsuits surrounding the issue of Obama’s eligibility, Chiyome Fukino, director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, issued a public statement regarding her office’s inspection of Obama’s birth certificate. In her brief press release she stated: “There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. “No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii.” Unfortunately, numerous media and Internet outlets (see e.g., here, here) erroneously concluded this pronouncement settled the matter. In fact, the raises additional doubts about Obama’s citizenship status and, thus, his eligibility. At no point in the release does the Director of Health state or claim that Obama was actually born in Hawaii. She merely states she has personally inspected the original document in their possession and that it is being stored according to state regulations. Compounding the problem was the subsequent statement of Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo (see Chicago Tribune, 10-31-08). Citing Hawaii state privacy laws, and guidance from the state attorney general, she said she, “was not permitted to confirm the authenticity of the certificate released by the Obama campaign.” She also said Obama’s computer-generated COLB “appeared similar to other Hawaii birth certificates.” In sum, the statement by the Health Department spokesman Okubo does not speak to the substance or veracity of the Obama computer-generated document, only that its “form” appears similar. Nor does she address the issue of the meaning of the content of the document, and whether there is an actual long-form Certificate of Live Birth in the vault. Mr. Berg submitted photographic evidence to the Court indicating Obama, known then as “Barry Soetoro,” was enrolled by his parents (at approximately age 6) at the public Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia. This suggests he was adopted by his step-father. In the school document (which is also translated into English), Obama’s birth place is indicated as Honolulu, but his citizenship is indicated as Indonesian. As a minor, Mr. Obama’s citizenship went with the custodial parent, who, under Indonesian law had to be the father. Obama's name is given as “Barry Soetoro.” In a citizenship related PolitFact/St. Petersburg Times article, they provide a document they obtained from the Illinois Supreme Court’s Attorney Registration & Discipline Commission (ARDC) apparently indicating that the official records make no mention of any prior name except “Barack Hussein Obama.” The Sworn Affidavits Evidence recently made available to an Internet news (www.newswithviews.com) from the office of attorney Phil Berg, includes two (partially photographic) sworn affidavits containing important first-hand knowledge regarding Barack Obama, including testimony of a direct, in-person interview of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother in which she asserts she was present at Obama’s birth in Kenya. Read the sworn affidavits of Bishop Ron McRae and (includes a partial transcript of the grandmother’s interview) CONCLUSION Given the relative strength of the evidence and the public interest in the issue, Mr. Obama is obligated to respond to any citizen’s Petition for Redress of the apparent violation of the Constitution’s natural born citizenship clause. We the People demand and deserve nothing less. Click here to read the draft full-page USA TODAY Letter to Obama.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Click here to view a copy of the final text published in the Chicago Tribune Are you a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.? December 1, 2008 Mr. Barack Obama Kluczynski Federal Building Dear Mr. Obama: Representing thousands of responsible American citizens who have also taken an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America from all enemies foreign and domestic, I am duty bound to call on you to remedy an apparent violation of the Constitution. Compelling evidence supports the claim that you are barred from holding the Office of President by the “natural born citizen” clause of the U.S. Constitution. For instance: Your father was a Kenyan citizen at the time of your birth and your mother was 18. Legal affidavits state you were born in Kenya. Your grandmother is recorded on tape saying she attended your birth in Kenya. Hawaii Dept of Health will not confirm your assertion that you were born in Hawaii. You have posted an unsigned, computer-generated birth form that was created in 2007, a form that lacks vital information found on an original, hand signed Certificate of Live Birth, such as hospital address, signature of attending physician and age of mother. U.S. Law in 1961 denied U.S. citizenship to any child born in Kenya if the father was Kenyan and the mother was not yet 19 years of age. In 1965, your mother legally relinquished whatever Kenyan or U.S. citizenship she and you had by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen. You have repeatedly refused to provide evidence of your eligibility when challenged to do so in a number of recent lawsuits. Instead, you have been successful in having judges declare that they are powerless to order you to prove your eligibility to assume the Office of President. For instance, the judge in Pennsylvania ruled the challenger had no standing to question your eligibility because his harm would be no different from the harm to be suffered by all other American citizens if you, as an ineligible person were to assume the Presidency. The judge in Hawaii actually said it would be an invasion of your privacy for him to order access to your original birth certificate in order to prove your eligibility to hold the Office of President. Before you can legitimately exercise any of the powers of the President you must meet all the criteria for eligibility established by the Constitution. You are under a moral, legal, and fiduciary duty to proffer such evidence. Should you assume the office as anyone but a bona fide natural born citizen of the United States who has You would always be viewed by many Americans as a poseur - a usurper. As a usurper, you would be unable to take the required “Oath or Affirmation” on January 20 without committing the crime of perjury or false swearing, for being ineligible you cannot faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States. You would be entitled to no obedience whatsoever from the People. The armed forces would be under no legal obligation to remain obedient to you. No civilian in the Executive Branch would be required to obey any of your proclamations, executive orders or directives, as such orders would be legally void. Your appointments of Ambassadors and Judges to the Supreme Court would be void no matter what subsequent actions the Senate might take. Congress would not be able to pass new laws because it would not be able to acquire the signature of a bona fide President. As a usurper, Congress would be unable to remove you from the Office of the President on Impeachment, inviting certain political chaos including a potential for armed conflicts within the General Government or among the States and the People to effect the removal of such a usurper. In consideration of the escalating constitutional crisis brought on by the total lack of evidence needed to conclusively establish your eligibility, I am compelled to lodge a First Amendment Petition for a Redress of this constitutional tort. With all due respect, I ask that you immediately direct the appropriate Hawaiian officials to allow access to the vault copy of your birth certificate by our forensic scientists on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, December 5, 6 and 7, 2008. In addition, I ask that you to arrange to have the following documentary evidence delivered to the National Press Club by 10 am on December 8, 2008. a certified copy of your “vault” (original long version) birth certificate. certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham. a certified copy of your Certification of Citizenship. a certified copy of your Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity. certified copies of your admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School. certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing your name from Barry Soetoro. “In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.” Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this urgent matter. Sincerely, We The People Foundation For Constitutional Education, Inc. www.WeThePeopleFoundation.org 2458 Ridge Road Queensbury, NY 12804 "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Here you go little Traitor piglets, an opportunity to denigrate another Constitution loving patriot. Tell Bob Schultz what is. Pigs
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
i'm pinging icon since on another thread he claimed that Bob Schulz and the entire WeThePeopleFoundation organization are bigots. iconoclast, cite your evidence for that, please.
iconoclast, cite your evidence for that, please. Yeah, well. Don't hold your breath waiting for that particular RAT Obamacon Globalist to produce any evidence; 'cuz their ain't any. Feh
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
you're wrong about that, Mike. not only is there no organization, but there hasn't been one person who has complained to me about your presence here or who has requested that you be banned. in fact, any communication that i have received in private regarding you has been supportive of your right to speak and share your points of view. this has also been expressed to you publicly by a number of members as well. this you should know. each person here is responsible for their own words. as the forum owner, i do not and will not try to steer the direction of conversation, topics of discussion or opinions of the whole forum. Mike... I am presently a caregiver 24/7 so have little time for 4um and no time to read all of this thread. What Christine said above, you can take to the bank. You and I have agreed on very little for ten years but we do share mutual respect even tho I do take you to task for your language at times. If you were to be banned for your views, I would be gone also, if you were reprimanded for your language, I would applaud. I get thrown off threads for my stupidity and senility, but no one has urged my banishment. (yet) I have been thrown out of every forum except this one, so far, mostly because people will NOT tolerate opposing or differing viewpoints. You must admit, I am always right and you are nearly always wrong, but we get along. (hehehehehehehe) Freshen your language a tad and do a, "give 'em hell" Harry thing. I wont be here to either agree with you, nor to throw bombs at you, so belly up to the bar and drink with your FRIENDS.
Whoa. Bob wouldn't be THAT specific unless he had good info. In the generated crises that will come up after the Jan. 20th installation, I wonder if any of Obama's opponents will be targeted in some manner or another during the chaos. It's generally how political opposition is dealt with under usurpation.
I am speechless. Totally speechless. This tells me all I need to know. Great response Indie. We know them by their fruits and the jackboots they adore.
FRIENDS? No jackboot loving hatefilled self centered, confused arrogant twit and elitist Army warrior is concerned about 'friends'. It's about control. But I digress. Things are always about him. When legitimate questions arise for rational discussion, who ALWAYS turns it into a personal attack? This is to deflect and surpress the conversation about the policies of Team Obama and where our country is being led. Of course there are the other 3 bobbleheads staring out the back window to keep you from keeping your eyes on the road ahead. We are way past 'friendship' here, thanks to people just like him. I'll get out my little violin.
You know, it would probably be a simple matter to produce a certified copy of Oboingo's Kenyan birth certificate except that Kenya doesn't have a copier. Or anybody who can read or write. My guess is that once the precident of 'past practice' is set with a foreign president, the only candidates we'll see in the future will be an endless parade of Israeli Jews. There was a reason for running not one, but two foreign-born candidates. This wasn't by accident.
Being an Obama critic is to be in the minority opinion at the moment, but I think many or most of us on this board have been in this spot before in having been in the minority opinion re: Clinton and Bush II before the sheep caught up with us. What I find odd is that someone in the majority opinion (an Obamite) would come onto a minority opinion board and claim persecution. Obama appears to have cornered the self-inflicted martyr market.
We're on the same track. America's being conditioned for outright foreign rule as opposed to the from-the-behind-the-scenes foreign rule that we've been under for Lord only knows how many years.
i wholeheartedly agree.
So the question is, what is the motive? Obama appears to have cornered the self-inflicted martyr market. That's a fact and perhaps the answer to the question.
Perhaps this is why Obama was for a time referred to as the 'transitional' President.
Neither Oboingo or McStain were qualified according to the 'spirit' of the Constitution. People can fiddle-fart around endlessly mincing words about the "law," but the simple fact is that the founding fathers didn't want foreign influence controlling our government. Only one candidate met the requirements. You saw what happened to him in the primaries.
I think it might be to cast opposition to Obama as being irrational, racist hatred. P. would know via the server logs whether anyone is linking directly to Mike's (or anyone's) posts from Obamite boards.
He did fabricate the "Office of the President Elect" out of whole cloth. It's a foretaste of the rest of his They ran THREE foreign born candidates. The socialist party ran a guy that was born in Nicaraugua..
IndieTX: I am speechless. Totally speechless. Indie, you are not the only one shocked at ferret's statement. I'd call it the New Age - Dr. Phil interpretation of the US Constitution. Wow, just wow.
Damn girl. They can't get anything by you.
Interesting. I can see clearly now, the rain is gone, I can see all obstacles in my way Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind
And deflecting the conversation to anything other than policy. Any scrutiny of Obama's record, statements, affiliations, associations etc., were successfully dodged by he and his ilk. When cornered, they would blame Bush or pubs to again deflect from Obama. Now as we see with the birth certificate issue, it's important to look at McCain, but McCain isn't president elect. But it helps to water down the issue by tossing that in the mix as well. My opinion is that neither should holding public office and should be tossed out and forced to repay the taxpayers every dime and then some. But while we're on the topic of McCain, scorned 'twice' by the voters for the nations highest job, count on revenge.
He sure has, with tremendous help from the media. One has to wonder how long his 'ideas' have been on the shelf waiting for just the right state of chaos.
John McCain take revenge on who? And how?
But while we're on the topic of McCain, scorned 'twice' by the voters for the nations highest job, count on revenge John McCain take revenge on who? And how? Providing that ever-loving 'bi-partisan' support to the worst of temporarily stalled plans, such as amnesty. Bush pulled that same stunt over the last 8 years to have the rubes believeing there was a spirit of cooperation and that 'both parties' had a voice in the construct of the plan. This is intended to keep the myth of the two-party system alive as well.
Well I'll be.
Before you whine about your issue on a birth certificate that has gone from theory to lynch mob absolute status that this is gospel truth being a worthy crusade, step back from the bark of the tree it is and look at the entire forest. Barack Obama, even if this were true cannot and should not be deported, yet nobody corrects this as a lynch mob attitude on the issue exists here. I see President-elect Obama as having a very savvy understanding of the dynamics of lynch mob Swift Boating, and I full concur with the treating of this tempest in a teapot with the disdain it deserves. He and his team know there is no meat to this issue, and it is not requisite for them to educate those who just want to destroy him primarily for quite a different set of reasons and to serve the agenda of a different sort of political POV then that he represents. There is no separation here of opinion from the people expressing the thought, if you don't join the crusade, you are shit and deserve what you get. That is the mindset in here. And you show you are so sure of yourself, you have no intention of protecting anyone feeling differently then you. Have fun, as for myself I just as soon fain not be part of this confederacy of dunces partaking in this Lynch scene. It's been fun. But that was then, and this is now. Take care. That is worthy of a gem encrusted 24k gold frame. LOL! It seems to me that he cant convince too many regarding his communist POV, most people here aren't having any of it (because obama is truly a feces consuming fly larvae), and he is now throwing a tantrum. Who is worse, a bushbot or obama asskisser? Signed, A dunce, one among many. So many we are now a confederacy.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
No jackboot loving hatefilled self centered, confused arrogant twit and elitist Army warrior is concerned about 'friends'. It's about control. You're right, Olivia. Friends don't encourage multiculturalism, affirmative action, the empowerment of the ADL and buckets of socialism. Call us a committee of two, but 'friends' like these are no better than Judas goats. They're NTBT.
Thanks JT. JUDAS GOATS - EXACTLY!
He's going to inflict "comprehensive immigration reform" on us.
Listen up Pilgrim.... Tolerance and patience are virtues, violin playing is not.
Thanks JT. JUDAS GOATS - EXACTLY! OK, Pilgrims... Keep one thing in mind, when everyone agrees with me, there is something wrong and I start to worry. Mike unlike the cowardly types, is up front with his views, so far in left field he is out of the ballpark, but I still read 'em.
Cyni, The people Mike supports would put you and your family in chains. This isn't my opinion, history makes my case.
I was simply offering to join you in your concert for a coward.
I can play the whoopie cushion in the wind section....
Now we're talking ~ LOL!
Damn. You can be on my debate team anytime! His claiming to be a minority by the riduculous assertion about the purpose of the Constitution is classic leftist hypocrisy. You so exposed him in far fewer words that I used in post 71.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP It will now be easy for him to vote for obamessiah's DRAFT since he can try to claim it wasn't his idea. That will be his revenge...along with others mentioned above like citizenship for illegals, and his vote for mandatory pay universal health care when it comes.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP I'm sure he'll once again be hailed a true 'maverick' when that happens. And like you, I believe it will. McCains treachery in the past may have only been a warm up.
Coward???? Is that nice????
I had other words to choose from, but that one was the nicest one.
Good heavens.... Perhaps we need to work on your vocabulary????? Stop throwing things. geeezzz
Perhaps we need to work on your vocabulary????? Stop throwing things. geeezzz I'm a work in progress, what can I say?
Never try to con or kid an old BS artist. It wont work. hehehehehe
Cyni's a bit of a pussy when it comes to foul/fowl language. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Well, I respect that, however, none was used in my original post here: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=91615&Disp=95#C95 If others want to hold a wake for Mike, then go on, but leave me out of it.
Not gonna. Drag you in kicking and screaming all the way. Wont do you any good. You post here, you will go down with the ship just like the rest of us. No abandoning ship in your little dinghy and rowing away.
Drag you in kicking and screaming all the way. Wont do you any good. You post here, you will go down with the ship just like the rest of us. No abandoning ship in your little dinghy and rowing away. I know karate. Just sayin'.
"din·ghy (dng) n. pl. din·ghies 1. A small open boat carried as a tender, lifeboat, or pleasure craft on a larger boat. 2. A small rowboat. 3. An inflatable rubber life raft."
I just have to give the proper Olde Asse a hard time 'cuz I like him so much. I was going to send him a walking liberty but I knew it would cause problems for him with los federales. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Two in a dinghy with no paddles adrift on the ocean blue sounds good, but it aint. I may just have the two of you keel hauled as a starter. Capt. Ahab...
Ok big mouth! What are you personally going to do about it? I can tell everybody straight out. NOTHING! All I see is hot air coming from a balless pussy.
n. pl. din·ghies 1. A small open boat carried as a tender, lifeboat, or pleasure craft on a larger boat. 2. A small rowboat. 3. An inflatable rubber life raft." I have a violin trio on board.
Enough Gilligan. Skipper said so.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I wouldn't mind being stuck adrift on the Ocean with you, sweet heart. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I was going to send him a walking liberty but I knew it would cause problems for him with los federales. ;-) I don't think you two would make the best dance partners, but you're on the same side. ;)
Why thank you! I know karate. Pass it on. :)
I can tell everybody straight out. NOTHING! All I see is hot air coming from a balless pussy. What do you expect someone to give out in a forum like this on the Internets ? Assassination details ? Revolution marching orders ? Civil War seeding 'structions? Your heart is in the right place but your brain seems off a bubble or three. Still love ya tho..
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Excellent. I know Jackie Chan so we should be good to go. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its you and rotaro in a dinghy, not me. I dance with the girl what brung me. geeeezzz
Only a fool would say anything these days. Everyone is listening (government) and snitches abound among us.
Assassination details ? Revolution marching orders ? Thanks for the laugh. Everyone got the right answer as long as their neck isn't sticking out. You might have said, I wussed out and didn't vote for Chuck Baldwin or Dr, Ron Paul because I am a weenie and let those who really know you to be a fucking big mouthed pussy to call correctly. Don't feel ashamed or alone. Back during the pre revolution days, many spoke bravely but were cowards. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I call... Show your hand, let all of us see just WHAT YOU WOULD DO.
Did you tell her you were banned from every Arthur Murray studio in the country?
The very fact you know what an "Arthur Murray studio" is..... ;-)
Do you realize that by mentioning Arthur Murray, you are telling your age?????? Wheeeeee.... Actually, when I now and then tell the truth, people such as you, say I lie. I was a wall flower...Truth...
Beat me to it. drat
Chan is no match for me. I come from the 'flying' Newtons of Winnemucca.
;-) I saw his picture on the wall there. :)
Winny Mucca???????????????? Good heavens..Oh, how my heart does yearn.
Your question was too long and a diatribe. I won't read it!! Seriously, I voted for Dr, Ron Paul. Neither he nor Chuck baldwin was on the ballot in Pennsylvania so I wrote in Ron Paul. Any vote for any one else would make me a FUCKING HYPOCRITE.I would rather remain a patriot who still believes in our Constitution and will do so forever. The rest of you neo's , well you must love what we are living under!!!!!!!!
Wheeeeee.... Actually, when I now and then tell the truth, people such as you, say I lie. I was a wall flower...Truth... Yeah well, um, see, those of you that knew it already are equally guilty of having some seasoning too. Actually, when I now and then tell the truth, people such as you, say I lie. Like now, I'm getting out the polygraph. I was a wall flower...Truth... I don't believe you. ;)
Lac... Back to the last hand... What would you do to alter this situation?????
I recall when the road north from Elko was gravel and the road north from Winny Mucca was paved. At one time there was a gas and booze place on NV side called Sparks, I think. We always stopped there to get tanked up. (gas) hehehehehehehe
Just what I did. I supported Dr. Paul and have no regrets. The rest of you wimped out and sold out voting for what you perceived to be the lesser of two evils. Something about walking in the shoes fitting or having no feet or something. It is called having principles and sticking to them. The rest of the phonies can kiss my ass.
Any vote for any one else would make me a FUCKING HYPOCRITE.I would rather remain a patriot who still believes in our Constitution and will do so forever. The rest of you neo's , well you must love what we are living under!!!!!!!! Seriously, you speak out of turn a lot. I am one of 2 maybe 3 Ron Paul / Chuck Baldwin supporters on this 4um. You keep loving our Constitution, typing and doing nothing else whilst trying to goad good patriots into saying something stupid online. You might be a pussy if ...
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Your picture is plastered all over Winnemucca too. BTW, there's a stop light now.
Great town, have great friends there. Love it !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
You're just phucking stupid and ignarent.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Do you need directions to El Pee ? !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
"For a goode olde time call..(Cyni's ph # - which consists of 3 letters and 3 numbers)" LOL !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
My great-great-grandmother told me about taking dance lessons there. True story.
Lac... The call to arms has gone unheeded, by all of us. Change via the system has not been possible for many years. Until one realizes and accepts that "government" is the enemy, we will remain nothing more than a debating society. This government is now so oppressive that indeed Big Brother is here and watching every move, every word.
"Domestic Terrorist" bump
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
All I ever really knew about NV 60 years ago was told to me by the older boys..Honest... Truth...
True story??? Well, okay, if you insist.
hehehe.. Great, now I remember Junior Sample BR549.
You know, my inital posting on this thread was to bluegrass. Then you stuck your nose in and didn't give the neo bluegrass a chance to respond. For that, you have put your own neck in the noose because we stupid Americans love to stick our nose in where it doesn't belong; even when it is shit we are about to stick our nose in. You hung yourself on this one. Apparently you don't care or know any better.
GFY Lac.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Haaahahahaha!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Are you a neocon ? Lac says so.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
No kidding? Hubs folks taught there in the 60's. That's how I know about cyni's status. The footprints for the bossanova went missing.
Well, sheesh, Olivia was about to corner me when she alluded to me also knowing about Arthur Murray ;-)
the rest of you? who would that be? other than the few obamaphiles, most of us abstained or, like you, voted Ron Paul or Baldwin.
I like the name Olivia, but the middle name of Fig sort of kills the romance, know what I mean??? I also like Ingrid and Jennifer. Fig is a dry gulcher that takes pot shots at me as I ride by, unarmed and unaware.
I told you guys that the clerk at Ellis Island couldn't spell Calimyrna, so he checked our little bag in as Figg.
bluegrass a neocon? my gosh, he's a Eustace Mullins protege', for pete's sake. you couldn't get less neocon than bluegrass.
You hung yourself on this one. Apparently you don't care or know any better. Bless his/her sweet little heart. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Horsefeathers... Not buying that nonsense at all. I suspicion more likely you snuck in from the south in recent years.
Change via the system has not been possible for many years. You honestly think I don't know that? By voting for Dr.Paul or Chuck Baldwin, I can at least send the fuckers running the show I am not willing to play their silly game. ......and since there aren't enough Americans with a backbone who are willing to do their fair share of lifting, I might as well send them some tainted words hoping they will wake up and see the light. Unfortunately too many of them are D's and R's and will never learn. I must still try however. Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin at their worst, no 100 times at their worst, are a thousand times better than what we've had since Teddy Roosevelt; and it's only gonna get worse and we cvan only blame ourselves.
I glow in the dark. So that should put that theory to rest.
Eustace Mullins was the researcher and writer for Senator McCarthy. One does not come with better credentials than that. For his effort he was ostracized by MSM.
......and since there aren't enough Americans with a backbone who are willing to do their fair share of lifting, I might as well send them some tainted words hoping they will wake up and see the light. Unfortunately too many of them are D's and R's and will never learn. I must still try however. Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin at their worst, no 100 times at their worst, are a thousand times better than what we've had since Teddy Roosevelt; and it's only gonna get worse and we cvan only blame ourselves. You remind me of an olde friend of mine that would get all lickered up and then trot into the nearest watering hole looking to fight everyone. I kicked his ass and we became best friends. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Lac... It was a statement,nothing personal. we find many people here that honestly beleive there can be change via the system.
God bless Tailgunner Joe bump
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
La de da... By Saturday nite bath time I have a green mist around me, so there.
You could fool me. Some of the things these people write would be better off posted at Ripley's Believe it or Not. Maybe I expect too much. I always thought if it looked like a duck and quacked like a duck, it must be a duck. I guess some of them must be raccoons in drag!
You could say that again. Dial back the weed, duuuuude.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
ok. that might be a legitimate criticism in some people's opinion, but can you please cite a post by bluegrass that led you to believe that he's a neocon?
I believe that! I've been really frustrated since 1964 when Barry Goldwater lost to lbj and it is getting worse as each election goes by. I just shake my head!
Still sticking your nose in where it is not expected.
By Saturday nite bath time I have a green mist around me, so there. LOL!
I supported and voted for Goldwater, took a lot of grief by the Johnsonites. When the endless war came home in bodybags, the Johnson people fell silent and no one admitted voting for him.
LOL Not funny at all. I am doing my patriotic duty. Water conservation is good, soap is made from bad things and Gore says GREEN is in. So there.
I am doing my patriotic duty. Water conservation is good, soap is made from bad things and Gore says GREEN is in. So there. You're probably just flavoring up your batch of hootch.
I hate having to pick up all the s#it you have flung around, but you're hitting some friendlies and I'm about ready to pop you boy. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
hootch???? Good heavens, I have always been a teetotaler, even tried to join the WCTU (they threw me out),the ferment of the grape shall never pass my lips.
Key word: grape LOL
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I lie and fib a lot and make up the truth as I go along.
Good work if you can get it. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I curse. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I curse. ;-) Now and again I insert Gods honest truth and everyone knows I am lying again.
Riiiight. I suspect you were thrown out after the Arthur Murray incident showed up on a background check. Those gals have a low tolerance for Bitter Bossanova Boys Bearing Bombastic Bromides of Bravery.
I try to be nice, but y'all know it's insincerity in it's highest form. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Nite all! Get to coat check before cyni does.
Riiiight. I suspect you were thrown out after the Arthur Murray incident showed up on a background check. Those gals have a low tolerance for Bitter Bossanova Boys Bearing Bombastic Bromides of Bravery. Thats why I am a Rutherford B. Hayes fan, his wife belonged to the WCTU, banned hootch from the White House and had prayer service every Sunday. I invented "self righteousness".
I was at that convention.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP Attaboy! Run and hide. After all the truth is no fun when people insist on puncturing your fantasy balloons. The reality is that the change Oh'Bummer brought was a chimera conjured up in the minds of the Sucker Class by repeating over and over the magic words of mass manipulation "change, change, change", "change with meaning" where no meaning is ever supplied. Your membership in good standing is expressed in the way you insist upon denying what is rapidly becoming obvious. Oh'bummer is busy hiding stuff about his background, appointing the same controlled and corrupt insiders while hiding who he is really owned by. Now, go drink your Kool-Aid like a good reality denier.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Merry Christmas my olde comrade !!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
No. Lac says so. He also thinks voting matters.
80 MILLION eligible Americans did NOT vote. I was one.
I didn't either. I won't play a rigged game.
The "system" is like the pea and shell game. There is NO pea in play at any time and the Rube gets slickered every time. Tell that to resident partisan believers.
Have you read much O. Henry? His most valuable contribution was to detail the various scams, cons and grifts that were being pulled on the hayseeds of the time. As scams always work their up and down the political ladder, he's a good guide to how not to get conned.
O. Henry???? Good heavens. That was back 60 years ago or more.
The mindset in here is one that looks to history and reality, mixed with a little experience in making determinations that might affect our lives irrespective of Party politics. You are the crusader. You pant like a dog for your boy, Obama. You make unfounded claims based purely upon unfounded speculation supported only by your committment to socialism/communism. Your mindset is shit, you are not alone there were millions of you idiots, but the rest of us don't deserve what people like you have foisted upon us. It might be understandable if this were your first election or maybe you were an illegal alien. The only saving grace for you and others of your ilk is the fact that the mainstream candidates were all shit too. Turds of a feather all flocking together. It's good that you depart because you'd be getting admonished like a red headed step-child until the communist agent you have supported is gone.
They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !
He's worth a re-visit if you ever find yourself with time.
I see. I'll have a favor to ask then.
In fact, what Obama has given to FactCheck.org to prove his citizenship is not a birth certificate, but a certificate of live birth, something that would not ordinarily be accepted as legal proof of citizenship.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#2. To: farmfriend (#1)
That said, the one he has shown if fake in my opinion.
#3. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
Is Obama hiding something? Most likely yes. A person just doesn't spend something on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep one's birth records a secret unless one has something to hide. I personally have had to provide my birth certificate to several employers before they would agree to hire me
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#4. To: IndieTX (#3)
Are Fuhrers exempt from international laws (Passport and/or Visa in and out of each country) when they travel just because they are the POTUS?
#5. To: IndieTX (#3)
Inquiring minds want to know why the messiah seems to be above the law.
#6. To: TwentyTwelve (#2)
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#7. To: farmfriend (#6)
#8. To: Original_Intent, Christine (#7)
Don't forget that here you have the option to go back and edit to correct typos or change something in the post - for 3 hours after you post - unlike LP.
Another difference is Christine is not likely to ban me for saying I post on another forum.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#9. To: scrapper2 (#5)
Inquiring minds want to know why the messiah seems to be above the law.
#10. To: noone222, scrapper2, Original_Intent (#9)
Following the pied pipers of propaganda is why we continually find ourselves where we are, NO WHERE.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#11. To: farmfriend (#10)
#12. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
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#13. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#12)
(Edited)
#14. To: RickyJ (#13)
#15. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#12)
#16. To: Disgusted (#15)
#17. To: RickyJ (#13)
If Obama was a natural born citizen he would have simply produced a birth certificate instead of hiring law firms to fight this.
#18. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#16)
And again, if there was any validity to this the RNC and all the other politicans would have jumped all over it.
#19. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#17)
(Edited)
Why? Look at how this is distracting from the important issues and causing division between people and groups? They know what they are doing... it's called propaganda used to confuse the masses.
#20. To: RickyJ (#19)
#21. To: RickyJ (#18)
If there wasn't any validity to it Obama would produce a birth certificate instead of wasting millions in court fighting it.
#22. To: bush_is_a_moonie, all (#21)
#23. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#21)
#24. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#12)
#25. To: noone222 (#24)
#26. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#21)
#27. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#17)
Why? Look at how this is distracting from the important issues and causing division between people and groups? They know what they are doing... it's called propaganda used to confuse the masses.
#28. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#25)
#29. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#25)
(Edited)
Try to get a passport without a birth certificate. How can anybody believe this crap? It is propaganda, probably created and refined by Karl Rove and the propaganda experts in the Republican and Democrat parties. WAKE UP!
#30. To: TwentyTwelve, Wacky Wiccans (#26)
#31. To: bush_is_a_moonie, Ferret MIke, christine, Lady X (#12)
Why didn't the RNC bring this issue up? They were trying to find anything they could to discredit Obama.
Coke/Pepsi Democrat/Republican marketing campaigns, we might get a piece of America back.
#32. To: bush_is_a_moonie, Ferret MIke, christine, Lady X (#31)
#33. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#25)
(Edited)
WAKE UP!
(LOL !! Haaaaaaaahahahahaha! From an Opile nonetheless !)
#34. To: bluegrass, Horse, christine (#32)
#35. To: bluegrass (#31)
#36. To: bluegrass (#31)
Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
#37. To: TwentyTwelve (#36)
"Stroke of the pen. Law of the land. Kinda cool."
#38. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#25)
#39. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#38)
In fact, under Hawaiian law, a foreign born child can be registered as a naturalized (but not "natural born") U.S. citizen following application of the parents, (See, Hawaiian law provides for registration of out-of-state births under HRS 338-17.8. ). Such persons would be eligible to receive a "Certification of Live Birth" from the state, such as the document Obama has proffered. "Naturalized" citizens, such as the Governor of California, cannot hold the office of President.
#40. To: Rotara, bush_is_a_moonie (#39)
In short, the document proffered by Obama does not contain all the information needed to conclusively verify that he is legally eligible to hold the Office of President.
#41. To: Rotara, bush_is_a_moonie (#39)
In short, the document proffered by Obama does not contain all the information needed to conclusively verify that he is legally eligible to hold the Office of President.
#42. To: TwentyTwelve (#40)
In his ad, Berg presents four exhibits on which he bases his case: (1) claims that Obama’s paternal Kenyan grandmother is on record as saying she was present when the president-elect was born in that African country; (2) an original birth certificate has never been produced for review and “experts” have called the online image a “forgery”; (3) Obama may still hold Indonesian citizenship since, as a child, he attended school in that country where laws would not allow non-citizen children to attend and also forbade dual citizenship; (4) Obama’s mother was too young to meet the residency requirements of U.S. law which would have enabled her to declare her son a “natural born citizen.”
#43. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#25)
How can anybody believe this crap?
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#44. To: Rotara (#42)
How dare you try and stop the ascension of the selection by using the law !!
#45. To: TwentyTwelve (#44)
“change you can believe in.”
#46. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#12)
Berg said: “The events surrounding "911" to date have yet to be uncovered.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#47. To: Rotara (#39)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#48. To: Ferret Mike (#47)
#49. To: Ferret Mike (#47)
The bitch should be grudge fucked with a baseball bat for being responsible for you.
#50. To: Ferret Mike (#47)
#51. To: Ferret Mike (#47)
#52. To: Lady X (#50)
Sir, you're way out of line here..
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#53. To: bluegrass (#51)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#54. To: Ferret Mike (#53)
#55. To: farmfriend (#52)
Sir, you're way out of line here...... I've seen just as bad posted to him and no one said a word.
#56. To: Ferret Mike (#53)
#57. To: farmfriend (#52)
I've seen just as bad posted to him and no one said a word.
#58. To: farmfriend (#52)
(Edited)
"I've seen just as bad posted to him and no one said a word."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#59. To: farmfriend (#52)
I've seen just as bad posted to him and no one said a word.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#60. To: Ferret Mike, ALL, christine, farmfriend, x-15, lodwick, jethro tull, cynicom, rotara, original_intent, noone222 (#58)
(Edited)
This place has become.....blah blah
In this regard, the diversity of opinion that you laud and extol is too often an opinion diametrically opposed to the very existence of the fact that Liberty has been infringed at all.
And in the cold cruel face of reality and the gravity of the situation with which we are faced, such thoughts, which are considered opposed to the new goal of regaining our lost Liberty, are not allies. This has now become a war of words. And everything and everyone who opposes Liberty is fair game for verbal assault.
You can stay on the right side (there is one) and try to help us find solutions.
You can leave believing that no Liberty is lost, and all is well, and that we here at 4um are the problem, and leave to become a bewildered casualty of the totalitarian war that has already been waged against everything that we know is moral and just. Liberty is in the ICU.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#61. To: IndieTX, Ferret Mike, ALL (#60)
Believe it or not, Truth really exists. I'm not sure anyone can recognize it in an atmosphere of subterfuge, controlled media, brainwashing/psychological manipulation, and treason.
#62. To: Ferret Mike, Lady X, rotara, christine (#58)
(Edited)
Tara here even has done death threats.
I am in forums to discuss and engage in lively discussion where after the disagreement, people still respect another's right to their point of view and humanity.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#63. To: IndieTX (#60)
Rather than defect, I hope you stay.
#64. To: X-15 (#59)
Within one year Obama will be sifted and weighed for his executive acumen as POTUS, the proof will be evident to all whether America chose wisely or not.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#65. To: IndieTX (#60)
(Edited)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#66. To: Ferret Mike (#65)
I also am sure the classic FReeper tactic of organizing behind the scenes to pour complaints to the forum administration about opponents is in play here as well.
#67. To: Ferret Mike (#65)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#68. To: christine (#66)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#69. To: Ferret Mike (#68)
It's been fun. But that was then, and this is now. Take care.
#70. To: Ferret Mike (#68)
(Edited)
He and his team know there is no meat to this issue, and it is not requisite for them to educate those who just want to destroy him primarily for quite a different set of reasons and to serve the agenda of a different sort of political POV then that he represents.
#71. To: Ferret Mike, ALL (#65)
(Edited)
Attention: The following deconstruction of the bullshit posted is intended for the masses who did not read my post and the responder.
Your idea of "make it work" is merely your own frustration at being out-debated and verbally torn to shreds with logical arguments.
You are also totally avoiding any point I made in my post and deflecting and dodging all of it. You are trying to create a non issue: That something here "doesn't work." You espouse communist ideals of "level playing fields" and equal results. Not only did you not comprehend my post, you totally disregarded it.
Those who care about Liberty and the ignorant alike are at this very moment being threatened with the most powerful totalitarian machinery in the history of this nation. Do people get emotional about that when you oppose them? Yes. And they should.
Somewhere in there I thought there might be the flickering glimmer of Patrick Henry. It's obvious I had way too much faith in you.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#72. To: Ferret Mike (#68)
#73. To: Ferret Mike (#68)
(Edited)
It's been fun. But that was then, and this is now. Take care.
#74. To: Ferret Mike, IndieTX, Christine (#68)
The Constitution is there to protect unpopular few of any group against the mindset, opinions and world view of the majority.
#75. To: swarthyguy, all (#74)
#76. To: lodwick (#75)
#77. To: lodwick (#75)
(Edited)
I've always found that things got much better after 'things came to a head.'
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#78. To: X-15 (#77)
I've always found that things got much better after 'things came to a head.'
#79. To: TwentyTwelve (#38)
#80. To: Artisan (#46)
#81. To: bush_is_a_moonie, Wiccans for Christ (#79)
What a bunch of goofs.
#82. To: X-15, lodwick, gengis gandhi, all, christine, cynicom (#77)
(Edited)
Man and seal
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#83. To: IndieTX (#71)
#84. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#79)
A couple of you came over from LP and are using the names of others on LP.
#85. To: christine (#84)
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#86. To: Yellow Cake, bush_is_a_moonie, TwentyTwelve, Christine, JethroTull, IndieTX, lodwick, farmfriend, ALL (#81)
(See e.g., Findlaw immigration overview)
NOTE: Obama’s Hawaiian “Certification of Live Birth,” reviewed by FactCheck, was created in 2007. This raises an additional question as to what documentation Obama used to establish his citizenship to run for Illinois state Senator or U.S. Senator in 2006.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
This omission speaks volumes, strongly suggesting that either something may not be right with the official documentation produced by the Hawaii Department of Health or that the 2007 documentation proffered by Senator Obama may in fact be fraudulent.
Indonesian School records
#87. To: All (#86)
An Open Letter to Barack Obama:
Are you legally eligible to hold the Office of President?
Barack Obama Transition Office
230 So. Dearborn St.
Chicago, Illinois 60604
not relinquished that citizenship, you would be inviting a national crisis that would undermine the domestic peace and stability of the Nation. For example:
Robert L. Schulz
Chairman
info@givemeliberty.org
#88. To: All (#87)
#89. To: ferret mike, bush_is_a_moonie, avastrightwingconspirator, all commie rat douchebags that claimed to support Ron Paul (#87)
#90. To: Rotara, iconoclast (#89)
#91. To: Christine, iconoclast (#90)
i'm pinging icon since on another thread he claimed that Bob Schulz and the entire WeThePeopleFoundation organization are bigots.
#92. To: Ferret Mike, rotara, christine, all (#68)
I also am sure the classic FReeper tactic of organizing behind the scenes to pour complaints to the forum administration about opponents is in play here as well.
#93. To: Rotara (#87)
(Edited)
In addition, I ask that you to arrange to have the following documentary evidence delivered to the National Press Club... ...certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham.
#94. To: IndieTX (#71)
I am here to tell you that the Constitution is there to protect minority positions and groups from the whims and caprice of majorities theey are not part of.
#95. To: Cynicom (#92)
#96. To: bluegrass (#93)
(Edited)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#97. To: OliviaFNewton, Rotara, Cynicom, christine, Lady X (#95)
#98. To: Esso (#96)
There was a reason for running not one, but two foreign-born candidates. This wasn't by accident.
#99. To: Esso (#96)
There was a reason for running not one, but two foreign-born candidates. This wasn't by accident.
#100. To: bluegrass (#97)
What I find odd is that someone in the majority opinion (an Obamite) would come onto a minority opinion board and claim persecution.
#101. To: bluegrass (#98)
We're on the same track. America's being conditioned for outright foreign rule as opposed to the from-the-behind-the-scenes foreign rule that we've been under for Lord only knows how many years.
#102. To: christine (#99)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#103. To: OliviaFNewton, Pinguinite, christine (#100)
So the question is, what is the motive?
#104. To: OliviaFNewton (#101)
rule administration.
#105. To: Esso, bluegrass, christine (#96)
There was a reason for running not one, but two foreign-born candidates. This wasn't by accident.
#106. To: IndieTX, Ferret Mike (#71)
ferret mike: I am here to tell you that the Constitution is there to protect minority positions and groups from the whims and caprice of majorities theey are not part of.
#107. To: Lady X (#105)
#108. To: Lady X (#105)
They ran THREE foreign born candidates. The socialist party ran a guy that was born in Nicaraugua..
#109. To: bluegrass (#103)
I think it might be to cast opposition to Obama as being irrational, racist hatred.
#110. To: bluegrass (#104)
He did fabricate the "Office of the President Elect" out of whole cloth. It's a foretaste of the rest of his rule administration.
#111. To: OliviaFNewton (#109)
But while we're on the topic of McCain, scorned 'twice' by the voters for the nations highest job, count on revenge
#112. To: Lady X (#111)
To: OliviaFNewton
#113. To: Lady X (#105)
They ran THREE foreign born candidates. The socialist party ran a guy that was born in Nicaraugua..
#114. To: Ferret Mike, All (#68)
I am not speaking about me. I was talking about sign I've seen of that happening to others. No matter, as I said, the U.S. Constitution is there to provide checks and balances. I see none here. The Constitution is there to protect unpopular few of any group against the mindset, opinions and world view of the majority.
#115. To: OliviaFNewton (#95)
FRIENDS?
#116. To: Jethro Tull (#115)
You're right, Olivia. Friends don't encourage multiculturalism, affirmative action, the empowerment of the ADL and buckets of socialism. Call us a committee of two, but 'friends' like these are no better than Judas goats. They're NTBT.
#117. To: Lady X (#111)
John McCain take revenge on who? And how?
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#118. To: OliviaFNewton (#95)
I'll get out my little violin.
#119. To: OliviaFNewton, Jethro tull (#116)
You're right, Olivia. Friends don't encourage multiculturalism, affirmative action, the empowerment of the ADL and buckets of socialism. Call us a committee of two, but 'friends' like these are no better than Judas goats. They're NTBT.
#120. To: Cynicom (#119)
#121. To: Cynicom (#118)
Tolerance and patience are virtues, violin playing is not.
#122. To: OliviaFNewton (#121)
was simply offering to join you in your concert for a coward.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#123. To: X-15 (#122)
I can play the whoopie cushion in the wind section....
#124. To: bluegrass (#97)
What I find odd is that someone in the majority opinion (an Obamite) would come onto a minority opinion board and claim persecution.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#125. To: OliviaFNewton (#109)
(Edited)
But while we're on the topic of McCain, scorned 'twice' by the voters for the nations highest job, count on revenge.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#126. To: IndieTX (#125)
It will now be easy for him to vote for obamessiah's DRAFT since he can try to claim it wasn't his idea. That will be his revenge...along with others mentioned above like citizenship for illegals, and his vote for mandatory pay universal health care when it comes.
#127. To: OliviaFNewton (#121)
I was simply offering to join you in your concert for a coward.
#128. To: Cynicom (#127)
Is that nice????
#129. To: OliviaFNewton (#128)
I had other words to choose from, but that one was the nicest one.
#130. To: Cynicom (#129)
Good heavens....
#131. To: OliviaFNewton (#130)
I'm a work in progress,
#132. To: OliviaFNewton, Cynicom (#130)
#133. To: Rotara (#132)
Cyni's a bit of a pussy when it comes to foul/fowl language. ;-)
#134. To: OliviaFNewton (#133)
If others want to hold a wake for Mike, then go on, but leave me out of it.
#135. To: Cynicom (#134)
Not gonna.
#136. To: OliviaFNewton (#133)
#137. To: OliviaFNewton, Cynicom (#133)
I respect it too
#138. To: Rotara (#137)
I just have to give the proper Olde Asse a hard time
#139. To: bluegrass (#98)
We're on the same track. America's being conditioned for outright foreign rule as opposed to the from-the-behind-the-scenes foreign rule that we've been under for Lord only knows how many years.
#140. To: Cynicom (#136)
"din·ghy (dng)
#141. To: Cynicom (#138)
#142. To: OliviaFNewton (#140)
#143. To: Rotara (#137)
I just have to give the proper Olde Asse a hard time 'cuz I like him so much.
#144. To: Rotara (#142)
I wouldn't mind being stuck adrift on the Ocean with you, sweet heart. ;-)
#145. To: LACUMO (#139)
Ok big mouth! What are you personally going to do about it?
#146. To: OliviaFNewton (#144)
I know karate.
#147. To: OliviaFNewton (#143)
I don't think you two would make the best dance partners, but you're on the same side. ;)
#148. To: Rotara (#145)
What do you expect someone to give out in a forum like this on the Internets ?
#149. To: Rotara (#145)
What do you expect someone to give out in a forum like this on the Internets ?
#150. To: LACUMO, rotaro (#149)
You might have said, I wussed out and didn't vote for Chuck Baldwin or Dr, Ron Paul because I am a weenie and let those who really know you to be a fucking big mouthed pussy to call correctly.
#151. To: Cynicom (#147)
Its you and rotaro in a dinghy, not me. I dance with the girl what brung me. geeeezzz
#152. To: OliviaFNewton (#151)
Arthur Murray studio
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#153. To: OliviaFNewton (#151)
Did you tell her you were banned from every Arthur Murray studio in the country?
#154. To: X-15 (#152)
The very fact you know what an "Arthur Murray studio" is.....
#155. To: Rotara (#146)
Excellent. I know Jackie Chan so we should be good to go. ;-)
#156. To: X-15 (#152)
The very fact you know what an "Arthur Murray studio" is.....
#157. To: OliviaFNewton (#155)
#158. To: Cynicom (#150)
Show your hand, let all of us see just WHAT YOU WOULD DO.
#159. To: Cynicom (#153)
Do you realize that by mentioning Arthur Murray, you are telling your age??????
#160. To: LACUMO (#158)
#161. To: OliviaFNewton (#159)
#162. To: Cynicom (#160)
What would you do to alter this situation?????
#163. To: LACUMO (#158)
Seriously, I voted for Dr, Ron Paul. Neither he nor Chuck baldwin was on the ballot in Pennsylvania so I wrote in Ron Paul.
#164. To: Cynicom (#161)
At one time there was a gas and booze place on NV side called Sparks, I think. We always stopped there to get tanked up. (gas) hehehehehehehe
#165. To: Cynicom (#161)
At one time there was a gas and booze place on NV side called Sparks, I think.
#166. To: LACUMO (#162)
The rest of you wimped out and sold out voting for what you perceived to be the lesser of two evils.
#167. To: LACUMO (#162)
Something about walking in the shoes fitting or having no feet or something. It is called having principles and sticking to them. The rest of the phonies can kiss my ass.
#168. To: OliviaFNewton, Cynicom (#164)
(Edited)
Your picture is plastered all over Winnemucca too.
#169. To: OliviaFNewton (#159)
Yeah well, um, see, those of you that knew it already are equally guilty of having some seasoning too.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#170. To: LACUMO (#162)
Just what I did. I supported Dr. Paul and have no regrets
#171. To: (#170)
This government is now so oppressive that indeed Big Brother is here and watching every move, every word.
#172. To: OliviaFNewton, rotaro (#164)
Your picture is plastered all over Winnemucca too.
#173. To: X-15 (#169)
My great-great-grandmother told me about taking dance lessons there. True story.
#174. To: Rotara (#168)
"For a goode olde time call..(Cyni's ph # - which consists of 3 letters and 3 numbers)" LOL !
#175. To: Rotara (#163)
#176. To: LACUMO (#175)
(Edited)
bluegrass ain't no neocon you phucking phool
#177. To: OliviaFNewton (#174)
Great, now I remember Junior Sample BR549.
#178. To: bluegrass (#176)
#179. To: X-15 (#169)
My great-great-grandmother told me about taking dance lessons there. True story.
#180. To: Cynicom (#173)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#181. To: LACUMO (#162)
The rest of you wimped out and sold out voting for what you perceived to be the lesser of two evils.
#182. To: X-15 (#180)
Well, sheesh, Olivia was about to corner me when she alluded to me also knowing about Arthur Murray ;-)
#183. To: Cynicom (#182)
I like the name Olivia, but the middle name of Fig sort of kills the romance, know what I mean???
#184. To: LACUMO (#178)
#185. To: Christine (#184)
You know, my inital posting on this thread was to bluegrass. Then you stuck your nose in and didn't give the neo bluegrass a chance to respond. For that, you have put your own neck in the noose because we stupid Americans love to stick our nose in where it doesn't belong; even when it is shit we are about to stick our nose in.
#186. To: OliviaFNewton (#183)
I told you guys that the clerk at Ellis Island couldn't spell Calimyrna,
#187. To: Cynicom (#170)
The call to arms has gone unheeded, by all of us.
#188. To: Cynicom (#186)
Not buying that nonsense at all. I suspicion more likely you snuck in from the south in recent years.
#189. To: christine, LACUMO, all (#184)
Eustace Mullins
#190. To: LACUMO (#187)
You honestly think I don't know that? By voting for Dr.Paul or Chuck Baldwin, I can at least send the fuckers running the show I am not willing to play their silly game.
#191. To: LACUMO (#187)
You honestly think I don't know that?
#192. To: Cynicom (#189)
Senator McCarthy
#193. To: OliviaFNewton (#188)
I glow in the dark. So that should put that theory to rest.
#194. To: christine (#184)
bluegrass a neocon? my gosh,
#195. To: LACUMO (#194)
You could fool me.
#196. To: LACUMO (#194)
Some of the things these people write would be better off posted at Ripley's Believe it or Not
#197. To: Cynicom (#191)
It was a statement,nothing personal. we find many people here that honestly beleive there can be change via the system.
#198. To: Rotara (#195)
You could say that again.
#199. To: Cynicom (#193)
La de da...
#200. To: LACUMO (#197)
I've been really frustrated since 1964 when Barry Goldwater lost to lbj and it is getting worse as each election goes by.
#201. To: OliviaFNewton (#199)
By Saturday nite bath time I have a green mist around me, so there.
#202. To: Cynicom (#201)
Not funny at all.
#203. To: LACUMO (#198)
Still sticking your nose in where it is not expected.
#204. To: OliviaFNewton (#202)
batch of hootch.
#205. To: Cynicom (#204)
the ferment of the grape shall never pass my lips
#206. To: Rotara (#205)
Key word: grape
#207. To: Cynicom (#206)
#208. To: Cynicom (#206)
I lie and fib a lot and make up the truth as I go along.
#209. To: Rotara (#208)
I lie and fib a lot and make up the truth as I go along.
#210. To: Cynicom (#204)
(Edited)
Good heavens, I have always been a teetotaler, even tried to join the WCTU (they threw me out),the ferment of the grape shall never pass my lips.
#211. To: Cynicom (#209)
Now and again I insert Gods honest truth and everyone knows I am lying again.
#212. To: all (#211)
#213. To: OliviaFNewton (#210)
Good heavens, I have always been a teetotaler, even tried to join the WCTU (they threw me out),the ferment of the grape shall never pass my lips.
#214. To: LACUMO (#197)
I've been really frustrated since 1964 when Barry Goldwater lost to lbj and it is getting worse as each election goes by.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#215. To: Ferret Mike, christine, Rotara, all (#68)
It's been fun. But that was then, and this is now. Take care.
#216. To: Original_Intent (#215)
#217. To: Rotara, LACUMO (#178)
Are you a neocon ?
#218. To: bluegrass (#217)
He also thinks voting matters.
#219. To: Cynicom (#218)
#220. To: bluegrass (#219)
#221. To: Cynicom (#220)
#222. To: bluegrass (#221)
#223. To: Ferret Mike (#68)
if you don't join the crusade, you are shit and deserve what you get. That is the mindset in here.
#224. To: Cynicom (#222)
That was back 60 years ago or more.
#225. To: Cynicom (#213)
I invented "self righteousness".
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