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Title: Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head
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The New American
URL Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/562
Published: Dec 2, 2008
Author: Written by Kurt Williamsen
Post Date: 2008-12-02 22:57:52 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: Obama, Berg, Citizenship Scandal, Birth Certificate Fraud
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Comments: 225
Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head Written by Kurt Williamsen Tuesday, 02 December 2008 20:54 As we have reported earlier in our article "Barack Obama and the Citizenship Scandal," it has been alleged that Barack Obama is ineligible to become president for two reasons: evidence has come forward that Obama was born in Kenya, not the United States as required by the Constitution (because only one of Obama's parents is an American); and even if he was born here, his mother relinquished his citizenship by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen. This story has gained credence, separating it from Internet rumors, because Obama has reputedly hired three law firms (firms, not lawyers) to make sure that no one gets access to his birth records in Hawaii or his college transcripts from Occidental College and Harvard. (It is speculated that the transcripts will show he applied for aid to foreign students.) Philip J. Berg, a lifelong Democrat, sued to see Obama's original birth certificate, but a court ruled that because Berg was not in some way harmed by Obama — monetarily, physically, or reputation-wise — he was not a plaintiff in good standing. This action by the court put a temporary end to the belief that we would ever know the answer to the accusations. But now the claim is flaring up again for several reasons: • Alan Keyes, a presidential candidate of the American Independent Party, and Markham Robinson, a California elector, have now sued to see Obama's birth certificate (these men would definitely have legal "standing" to sue as plaintiffs in this case). • The We the People Foundation took out a full-page ad in the Chicago Tribune about the scandal. • On Friday, December 5, the Supreme Court will have a "conference" on the question of Obama's citizenship. (If four out of the nine justices vote to hear the case, oral arguments may be scheduled.) Obama supporters have derided attempts to challenge Obama's citizenship as merely sour grapes by sore losers, and they point to the website FactChect.org, as well as a statement by Hawaii's Department of Health Director who said Obama has a legitimate birth certificate, as proof of their rightness. (Various quotes by Obama's supporters also make it clear that they don't care whether or not he was born in the United States, or whether or not the Constitution is upheld.) Those pressing the issue note that FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and that Obama was on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. They note also that Hawaiian Health Department officials did not state that Obama has an original birth certificate from Hawaii. In fact, what Obama has given to FactCheck.org to prove his citizenship is not a birth certificate, but a certificate of live birth, something that would not ordinarily be accepted as legal proof of citizenship. Also, it is suspicious that no doctors or nurses have come forward and said that they were at Obama's birth in Hawaii, but Obama's grandmother in Kenya has been taped saying that she was at his birth in Kenya. Is Obama hiding something? Most likely yes. A person just doesn't spend something on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep one's birth records a secret unless one has something to hide. I personally have had to provide my birth certificate to several employers before they would agree to hire me. For a normal person, showing one's birth certificate is not a big deal. I've also had to give out my college records — again, not a big deal. But that leads to important questions: should this be pursued, and will it succeed? Yes, it should be pursued because to ignore it is to say that the Constitution is no longer the law of the land and is instead just an old piece of paper. Will it succeed? In my opinion, no. Neither the Supreme Court, nor the electors who will soon cast their votes for president, are impartial bodies. But that is not an argument for not pursuing it. — AP Images
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I'm addressing this point only since I fully believe Obama is not a citizen. The above statement is wrong. If you go down the county, at least here in Sacramento, what you get as official proof is a "Certificate of Live Birth". It says it is a "certified copy of vital records" and has the embossed county seal on it. It is the document I used to get my passport therefore it is legal proof of citizenship. That said, the one he has shown is fake in my opinion.
Title: New Video: Dr. Ron Polarik on the authenticity of Obama's COLB New Video: Dr. Ron Polarik on the authenticity of Obama's COLB Monday, 24 November 2008 20:18 Webmaster Main – News This video provides an analysis of Obama's Certificate of Live Birth by Dr. Ron Polarik detailing the factors contributing to his conclusion that the document is not authentic. "Dr. Polarik" is a pseudonym and his identity is obscured in this video.
We have to show birth certificates (original certified copies from the Dept of Vital Statistics) to get a Passport, Driver's License, etc. How has Obama escaped? Does he even have a US Passport? If so, how did he get it without a certified copy of his birth certificate proving US citizenship? Are Fuhrers exempt from international laws (Passport and/or Visa in and out of each country) when they travel just because they are the POTUS? Inquiring minds want to know why the messiah seems to be above the law. Even if he IS a citizen, he broke the law if he applied for aid to foreign students.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition SILENT RUNNING www.conservapedia.com/Barack_Obama Secrecy The Democratic party feels it necessary to keep all questions about Obama at a safe distance. It is an unprecedented move to keep secrets about a presidential candidate. The following questions remain sealed from the public. [103] 1. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate 2. Columbia College records 3. Columbia Thesis paper 4. Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups 5. Harvard College records 6. Illinois State Senate records 7. Illinois State Senate schedule 8. Law practice client list and billing records/summary 9. Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mothers 10. Medical records (only the one page summary released so far) 11. Occidental College records 12. Parent's Marriage Certificate 13. Record of baptism 14. Selective Service Registration 15. Trips schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007 16. Scholarly articles 17. Access to his Grandmother (Obama's Grandmother has since passed away from cancer [58]) 18. List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists Obama keeps donations secret by exploiting a loophole that allows campaigns to refuse to divulge donations under $200.00. This is useful to the candidate because many of his contributions are from dubious foreign or illegal sources. It is described as the "largest pool of unidentified money that has ever flooded into the U.S. election system, before or after the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reforms of 2002." [104]
Precisely because Messiah cannot produce evidence that he is "natural born" is why the Power Brokers made sure he was elected to the Oval Office. Messiah is above the law only as long as the Power Brokers do not reveal his Achilles Heel.
My "if" should have been an "is". I hate when that happens.
Don't forget that here you have the option to go back and edit to correct typos or change something in the post - for 3 hours after you post - unlike LP.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Yeah and I took full advantage of it this time around. Because the sheep allow it, in every aspect of their fraud allowing lives. The peace and freedom lacking in this world is exactly proportionate to the amount of fraud the people accept. People accept fraud because in many instances they think it benefits them to accept it. Many people accept fraud when they think it benefits them even when they know it harms others, even those they "claim" to love. These people are a bigger fraud than those that knowingly operate the grandest frauds. Seek truth and damn the lie/fraud. Following the pied pipers of propaganda is why we continually find ourselves where we are, NO WHERE.
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
I hate those "meeces" to pieces !!!
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
Why didn't the RNC bring this issue up? They were trying to find anything they could to discredit Obama. Why didn't the McCain/Palin campaign bring this issue up? Why didn't the current president (moron bush) bring this issue up? Why didn't roody julieannie or any of the others campaigning for the Republican party nomination bring this issue to the attention of the public? Why didn't the Dept. of Justice address this issue? Why didn't Ron Paul directly address this issue? Is he part of the conspiracy? Oh and by the way, did you see these? Lawsuit blames the September 11 attack on a RICO conspiracy involving, among others, the first President Bush, Condoleeza Rice, the Council for Foreign Relations, and Kenneth Feinberg. News Conference – Wednesday - 11/26/03 – 12 Noon 5th & Ranstead Streets, Philadelphia [corner of Bourse Building with Independence Hall in background] 911 Victim’s Wife, Ellen Mariani, files RICO Act [Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act] Federal Court Complaint against President Bush and Cabinet Members (Philadelphia, PA – 11/26/03) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, announced today that he, attorney for Ellen Mariani, wife of Louis Neil Mariani, who died when United Air Lines flight 175 was flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Center on 9-11 at a news conference regarding the filing of a detailed Amended Complaint in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania on 11/26/03 in the case of Mariani vs. Bush et al that he is alleging President Bush and officials including, but not limited to Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Feinberg that they: 1. had knowledge/warnings of 911 and failed to warn or take steps to prevent; 2. have been covering up the truth of 911; and 3. have therefore violated the laws of the United States; and 4. are being sued under the Civil RICO Act. Berg stated: “I will be detailing the charges against Bush and others and handing out copies of the: 1. Amended Complaint; 2. a Letter from Ellen Mariani to President Bush that sets forth her beliefs that President Bush knowingly and willfully failed to act and prevent the murder of her husband on 911 and the ongoing obstruction of justice; and 3. a Sworn Affidavit that the United States government twenty-eight [28] years ago undertook a study to prevent the very events of 911. Mrs. Mariani was the first victim family member to bring civil action regarding the events of 911 against United Airlines. Since then, the “truth” of 911 has not been forthcoming and Mrs. Mariani, for the good of her country, now seeks the truth via this courageous action under the RICO Act. Berg said: “The events surrounding "911" to date have yet to be uncovered. While America was under attack, for approximately the next seven (7) to eighteen (18) minutes Defendant GWB continues to listen to the goat story while Plaintiff's husband was just murdered and does not immediately assume his duties as Commander-in-Chief of the United States Armed Forces. Plaintiff, with her amended complaint intends to expose the truth to remember the dead and to prevent continued deaths of American military personnel due to President Bush's "failure to act and prevent" the worst attacks on our nation since Pearl Harbor. Plaintiff hereby asserts Defendants, officially and individually are exclusively liable to answer the Counts in this Complaint under the United States Constitution and provisions of the 18 U.S.C. § 1964(a) and (c), Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (hereinafter "RICO Act") for "failing to act and prevent" the murder of Plaintiff's husband, Louis Neil Mariani, for financial and political reasons and have "obstructed justice" in the aftermath of said criminal acts and omissions. Defendant GWB has purported to the American People and the Plaintiff that the infamous attacks of "911" were directly masterminded by Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda Network terrorists (hereinafter "OBL"), almost immediately after the attacks. Yet, Defendant GWB has not been forthright and honest with regard to his administration's pre-knowledge of the potential of the "911" attacks and Plaintiff seeks to compel Defendant GWB to justify why her husband Louis Neil Mariani died on "911.' Plaintiff believes Defendant GWB is invoking a long standard operating procedure of invoking national security and executive privilege claims to suppress the basis of this lawsuit that Defendant GWB, et al., failed to act and prevent the "911" attacks. Plaintiff asserts, contrary to Defendant GWB's assertion that OBL is responsible for "911," the compelling evidence that will be presented in this case through discovery, subpoena power by this Court and testimony at trial will lead to one undisputed fact, Defendant GWB failed to act and prevent "911" knowing the attacks would lead to our nation having to engage in an "International War on Terror (IWOT)" which would benefit Defendants both financially and for political reasons. There are significant business ties that will be proven between Defendants and OBL's family which raise serious conflict of interest and other matters wherein "failing to act and prevent" the "911" attacks have benefited Defendants. Reports have emerged and will be confirmed through discovery that the Carlyle Group, the giant U.S. defense contractor until recently employed Defendant and former President GHB. Hence, the "Bush Family" and other Defendants financial profiting by war goes to the heart of Plaintiff's RICO Act claim. Plaintiff asserts, in the late 1970's and throughout the 1980's, Defendants were allies with OBL and Saddam Hussein during the former Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan and Iran-Iraq war respectively, wherein, personal and political deals were made and it is believed upon discovery, these dealings hold the truth about "911." In sum, Plaintiff will call to trial former federal employees with firsthand knowledge and expertise with military intelligence and other duties to support the underlying RICO Act foundational basis to prove Defendants have engaged in a "pattern of criminal activity and obstruction of justice" in violation of the public trust and laws of the United States for personal and financial gains. Plaintiff will prove, Defendants have engaged our nation in an endless war on terror to achieve their personal goals and agendas. /////// ** Copy of sixty-one [61] page Amended Complaint available by e-mail” – contact Phil Berg at PJBLAW@aol.com /////// [Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate; an attorney with offices in Montgomery County and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA.] www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0311/S00261.htm PHILADELPHIA ATTORNEY PHIL BERG DEMANDS DISBARMENT OF (3) U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICES - O'CONNOR, SCALIA and THOMAS ON THE ONE (1) YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF BUSH vs. GORE, THE CASE THAT "ANOINTED" BUSH AS PRESIDENT (Philadelphia, PA - 12/12/01) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania and political activist, an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA today, on the 1st anniversary of the U.S. Supreme Court decision in Bush vs. Gore which "anointed" Bush as President writes to three (3) U.S. Supreme Court Justices, Justices O'Connor, Scalia and Thomas requesting that they agree to "Voluntary Disbarment" for failing to "recuse" themselves in said case and other violations. Berg said: "The attached letter is self explanatory requesting three (3) U.S. Supreme Court Justices to agree to voluntary disbarment from the practice of law. It is the appearance of impartiality not the reality of bias or prejudice that dictates and in this case, there was not only appearance but also actual conflict of interest. They violated the rules of conduct and must accept the consequences of their partisan action. The three (3) Justices of The Supreme Court of the United States should voluntarily turn in their licenses in their respective states or we will ask that disciplinary action be undertaken including disbarment as well as summary suspension in their respective states for violating the Rules of Court and not 'recusing' themselves in the case of Bush vs. Gore and other violations Specifically, Justices O'Connor, Scalia and Thomas. groups.google.com/group/phl.media/msg/2e1564f62484903f Pictures of the Phillip Berg Team and those who buy into this wacko conspiracy theory
If Obama was a natural born citizen he would have simply produced a birth certificate instead of hiring law firms to fight this. It looks like they are going to let him be president anyway since he is the elite's chosen puppet. He is the "one", at least that is what they told him.
God is always good!
$600 MILLION DOLLARS has bought and paid for Obummer. There is more money where that came from to ensure his installation as Savior or Monarch or whatever. The LAW has always been for sale if enough money and or power is involved.
Would someone please delete this spam. It's obvious this moonie poster doesn't want all points of view discussed.
What is obvious is that I am not stupid enough to spend all my time on conspiracy theories created by wackos like Berg. The guy is a nut. And again, if there was any validity to this the RNC and all the other politicans would have jumped all over it. But I guess some people are so desperate they will believe anything including brainless conspiracy theories while our country is destroyed because they ignore the important issues and focus on these.
Why? Look at how this is distracting from the important issues and causing division between people and groups? They know what they are doing... it's called propaganda used to confuse the masses.
If there wasn't any validity to it Obama would produce a birth certificate instead of wasting millions in court fighting it. Calling people stupid for using their brains while you are not using yours is very stupid.
God is always good!
No, it is called throwing money away. Money that could be better spent on prostitutes and cocaine. They do not need such side issues like this, which the MSM is not even reporting, to cause divisions among people, his stated agenda alone causes the divisions.
God is always good!
Do you think he and the others are concerned? It is taxpayer $ they are using to pay the law firms. They want people to focus on this propaganda. It makes it easier to do the other things that are destroying our country, our economy and the middle class. How can anybody believe this crap knowing that politicians will dig up anything on their opponents during a campaign and the RNC didn't say a word about it?
You really believe that don't you? You have no idea what politicians really are or why they do this kind of crap do you?
Berg has filed an emergency motion for immediate injunction, America's Right blogger and legal writer Jeff Schreiber reports. Berg is asking the court to stop state certification of electors to keep the Electoral College from meeting Dec. 15 and casting votes for Obama. He is also seeking to postpone the official vote count Jan. 6 until the court reaches a decision on his appeal. Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. and thus a "natural-born American" as required by Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution? "It is my firm belief, my one thousand percent firm belief," Berg told Schreiber, "that he does not meet the natural born qualifications, that he should not be voted for by the electors, and that he should not be sworn in this January unless he shows his credentials ... which he of course cannot, simply because he does not have them."
Title: SPACE RESERVED FOR NEWS ON COURT ORDER (BERG Vs. OBAMA)
Very cute: Where's the Birth Certificate ???
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
Try to get a passport without a birth certificate. How can anybody believe this crap? It is propaganda, probably created and refined by Karl Rove and the propaganda experts in the Republican and Democrat parties. WAKE UP!
LOL ! "Don't look at the man behind the curtain..he's important and very busy !" AmeriKa has no Preznit, only Plutocratically selected rulers. Either way, Obamalamadingdong the Commie Globalist should not be allowed by We The People to be placed on the throne. The process is phony, let's be done with it ! Show us the original !! Show us the original !! Show us the original !!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Without a Certificate of Live Birth - or a cheesy old Hawaiian cover up birth certificate such as Hawaii issued to baby Barack - the same slimey cheese which was also issued to others who were born overseas but scammed the system via Hawaii ? You were born at night, weren't you ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
That .gif is a riot. What a delightful 4 years (or less) this is going to be!
Why didn't the McCain/Palin campaign bring this issue up? Either through cluelessness or selective amnesia, some people appear to forget that McCain had citizenship issues of his own. Those issues were resolved with a non-binding Senate resolution backed by Obama and Hillary. McCain stayed away from the issue on purpose. When useful idiots begin to ignore the mindless thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.RES.511: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen. (Agreed to by Senate) SRES 511 ATS 110th CONGRESS 2d Session S. RES. 511 Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen. IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES April 10, 2008 Mrs. MCCASKILL (for herself, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. COBURN, Mrs. CLINTON, and Mr. WEBB) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary April 24, 2008 Reported by Mr. LEAHY, without amendment April 30, 2008 Considered and agreed to RESOLUTION Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen. Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen' of the United States; Whereas the term `natural born Citizen', as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States; Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country's President; Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen' clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress's own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen'; Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders; Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
This brings up a question: Why can't Obama just get a similar resolution passed?
I've been sifting through your posts to judge the depth of your Ostooper. You're a winner, don't let anyone tell you any different: #16. To: farmfriend (#13) His mother was a full citizen. And until/unless she tossed it out the window she is still a citizen, no matter where she lives or who she marries. He was born in Hawaii. Wake up, this is a way of distracting voters and more often than not it is done by the Unification Church leadership. Remember the BS about him going to a Wahhabi school that was supposedly claimed by Clinton? It was in fact the Unification Church leadership that started that rumor. It began in Insight Magazine which is owned by Moon and the Unification Church. It's time people quit buying into all the BS so we can finally start to judge and make accurate decisions about politicians based on facts and truth. I'm tired of reading all the crap. It's gotten so bad I'm considering not voting this year. bush_is_a_moonie posted on 2008-08-23 2:03:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Wow, the messiah must be angry with you, peon. Up to this point you judged Obamalamadingdong to be your saviour ! Good work half brain.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Obama Birth Certificate: Who Determines Presidential Eligibility?
I wonder why they didn't get a two-fer in the same bill. Hmmm.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
news.aol.com/political-ma...rth-certificate-doubters/ Q&A With Obama Birth Certificate Doubters By Liza Porteus Viana Dec 2nd 2008 12:31PM Filed Under:eBarack Obama, 2008 President We here at the Machine told you yesterday that the controversy over Barack Obama's birth certificate is still raging. The latest is that the We The People Foundation have taken out a full-page ad in the Chicago Tribune two days this week - Monday (yesterday) and Wednesday. I e-mailed Bob Schulz, chairman of the foundation, to ask him a few questions about why his group and some other right-wing blogs and individuals still aren't convinced of the authenticity of the Hawaii birth certificate provided by the president-elect, and vouched for by Hawaii officials. Here's the Q&A: Q.) Why don't you believe that the Hawaiian authorities have vouched for the authenticity of the birth certificate filed with that state for President-elect Obama? The state's Department of Health director on Oct. 31 released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Obama's birth certificate. DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate. A.) Yes, Hawaii officials have publicly verified that they possess Obama's original birth certificate, however in their official press release they fail to state it is an original birth certificate from Hawaii. In fact, under Hawaiian law, a foreign born child can be registered as a naturalized (but not "natural born") U.S. citizen following application of the parents, (See, Hawaiian law provides for registration of out-of-state births under HRS 338-17.8. ). Such persons would be eligible to receive a "Certification of Live Birth" from the state, such as the document Obama has proffered. "Naturalized" citizens, such as the Governor of California, cannot hold the office of President. This of course, does not resolve the thornier issue as to the content of Obama's birth document. Specifically the stated "place of birth" may not in fact reflect the physical location of Obama's birth (as evidenced by the "original" certificate of Live Birth claimed to be in the possession of Hawaii officials), but rather the local Hawaii residency of the U.S. parent claimed in a birth registration application such as that provided by HRS 338-17.8 (See above). In any event the document is simply a computer-created document based upon the entries in a computer database, which may have been conceivably tampered with at some point. Hawaii law also provides for "amending" birth certificates. From the official web page: "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country." In short, the document proffered by Obama does not contain all the information needed to conclusively verify that he is legally eligible to hold the Office of President. Additionally, beyond their refusal to minimally confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii, state officials also refuse to comment on the authenticity of Obama's birth document. All these questions could be resolved by Obama by simply providing access to his original birth certificate. Q.) What reputable sources have discredited the birth certificate already produced by Obama? A.) Attorney Phil Berg states in his lawsuit against Obama, "...three (3) independent Document Forensic Experts performed extensive Forensic testing on the Certificate of Live Birth posted on Obama's campaign website." He has not publicly identified his sources but one of them is reported to be a reputable professional forensics expert going under the pseudonym "Polarik" for his family's protection. His latest comprehensive report concluding Obama's document is a forgery can be found here. He has also posted a short YouTube video. Q.) How much did you pay for these 2 full-page ads (on Dec. 1 and 3)? A.) Tens of thousands of dollars. It was a negotiated amount. Q.) What sort of reaction have you received so far to the ads? A.) We have experienced significant media interest from primarily talk shows and newspapers, including some well-known media entities. We have hoped that our ads would spur public debate on this topic and hopefully, this may have begun. In the end, there is no practical reason why Obama refuses to produce his original birth certificate. He is seeking the Office of President and has a duty to provide evidence that he meets the explicit requirements established by the Constitution.
This of course, does not resolve the thornier issue as to the content of Obama's birth document. Specifically the stated "place of birth" may not in fact reflect the physical location of Obama's birth (as evidenced by the "original" certificate of Live Birth claimed to be in the possession of Hawaii officials), but rather the local Hawaii residency of the U.S. parent claimed in a birth registration application such as that provided by HRS 338-17.8 (See above). In any event the document is simply a computer-created document based upon the entries in a computer database, which may have been conceivably tampered with at some point. Hawaii law also provides for "amending" birth certificates. From the official web page: "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country." In short, the document proffered by Obama does not contain all the information needed to conclusively verify that he is legally eligible to hold the Office of President. Mr. Half Brain Opile, Do we need to get out the crayons ? Are you going to cry if messiah is deported ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
In his ad, Berg presents four exhibits on which he bases his case: (1) claims that Obama’s paternal Kenyan grandmother is on record as saying she was present when the president-elect was born in that African country; (2) an original birth certificate has never been produced for review and “experts” have called the online image a “forgery”; (3) Obama may still hold Indonesian citizenship since, as a child, he attended school in that country where laws would not allow non-citizen children to attend and also forbade dual citizenship; (4) Obama’s mother was too young to meet the residency requirements of U.S. law which would have enabled her to declare her son a “natural born citizen.”
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestIn fact, what Obama has given to FactCheck.org to prove his citizenship is not a birth certificate, but a certificate of live birth, something that would not ordinarily be accepted as legal proof of citizenship.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#2. To: farmfriend (#1)
That said, the one he has shown if fake in my opinion.
#3. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
Is Obama hiding something? Most likely yes. A person just doesn't spend something on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep one's birth records a secret unless one has something to hide. I personally have had to provide my birth certificate to several employers before they would agree to hire me
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#4. To: IndieTX (#3)
Are Fuhrers exempt from international laws (Passport and/or Visa in and out of each country) when they travel just because they are the POTUS?
#5. To: IndieTX (#3)
Inquiring minds want to know why the messiah seems to be above the law.
#6. To: TwentyTwelve (#2)
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#7. To: farmfriend (#6)
#8. To: Original_Intent, Christine (#7)
Don't forget that here you have the option to go back and edit to correct typos or change something in the post - for 3 hours after you post - unlike LP.
Another difference is Christine is not likely to ban me for saying I post on another forum.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#9. To: scrapper2 (#5)
Inquiring minds want to know why the messiah seems to be above the law.
#10. To: noone222, scrapper2, Original_Intent (#9)
Following the pied pipers of propaganda is why we continually find ourselves where we are, NO WHERE.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#11. To: farmfriend (#10)
#12. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
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#13. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#12)
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#14. To: RickyJ (#13)
#15. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#12)
#16. To: Disgusted (#15)
#17. To: RickyJ (#13)
If Obama was a natural born citizen he would have simply produced a birth certificate instead of hiring law firms to fight this.
#18. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#16)
And again, if there was any validity to this the RNC and all the other politicans would have jumped all over it.
#19. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#17)
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Why? Look at how this is distracting from the important issues and causing division between people and groups? They know what they are doing... it's called propaganda used to confuse the masses.
#20. To: RickyJ (#19)
#21. To: RickyJ (#18)
If there wasn't any validity to it Obama would produce a birth certificate instead of wasting millions in court fighting it.
#22. To: bush_is_a_moonie, all (#21)
#23. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#21)
#24. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#12)
#25. To: noone222 (#24)
#26. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#21)
#27. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#17)
Why? Look at how this is distracting from the important issues and causing division between people and groups? They know what they are doing... it's called propaganda used to confuse the masses.
#28. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#25)
#29. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#25)
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Try to get a passport without a birth certificate. How can anybody believe this crap? It is propaganda, probably created and refined by Karl Rove and the propaganda experts in the Republican and Democrat parties. WAKE UP!
#30. To: TwentyTwelve, Wacky Wiccans (#26)
#31. To: bush_is_a_moonie, Ferret MIke, christine, Lady X (#12)
Why didn't the RNC bring this issue up? They were trying to find anything they could to discredit Obama.
Coke/Pepsi Democrat/Republican marketing campaigns, we might get a piece of America back.
#32. To: bush_is_a_moonie, Ferret MIke, christine, Lady X (#31)
#33. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#25)
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WAKE UP!
(LOL !! Haaaaaaaahahahahaha! From an Opile nonetheless !)
#34. To: bluegrass, Horse, christine (#32)
#35. To: bluegrass (#31)
#36. To: bluegrass (#31)
Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
#37. To: TwentyTwelve (#36)
"Stroke of the pen. Law of the land. Kinda cool."
#38. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#25)
#39. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#38)
In fact, under Hawaiian law, a foreign born child can be registered as a naturalized (but not "natural born") U.S. citizen following application of the parents, (See, Hawaiian law provides for registration of out-of-state births under HRS 338-17.8. ). Such persons would be eligible to receive a "Certification of Live Birth" from the state, such as the document Obama has proffered. "Naturalized" citizens, such as the Governor of California, cannot hold the office of President.
#40. To: Rotara, bush_is_a_moonie (#39)
In short, the document proffered by Obama does not contain all the information needed to conclusively verify that he is legally eligible to hold the Office of President.
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