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Title: Obama: "...its duty not just to the Senate but to the American people to make sure we can thoroughly and adequately evaluate the record of every single nominee who comes before us."
Source: Barack Obama - Senate website
URL Source: http://obama.senate.gov/press/050922-remarks_of_sena/
Published: Sep 22, 2005
Author: Barack Obama
Post Date: 2008-12-05 09:00:17 by bluegrass
Keywords: None
Views: 1809
Comments: 84

"Let me also say that I remain distressed that the White House during this confirmation process, which overall went smoothly, failed to provide critical documents as part of the record that could have provided us with a better basis to make our judgment with respect to the nomination. This White House continues to stymie efforts on the part of the Senate to do its job. I hope with the next nominee who comes up for the Supreme Court that the White House recognizes that in fact it is its duty not just to the Senate but to the American people to make sure we can thoroughly and adequately evaluate the record of every single nominee who comes before us."

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#22. To: bluegrass (#13)

I'd like to see fifty, sixty or seventy new small republics in loose alliance replace the Federal beast.

Something along the lines of Swiss cantons?? They practice something akin to direct democracy, and it has a few drawbacks such as a citizen being allowed to challenge the parliaments' law and put it to a direct/majority-wins vote with a petition.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-05   11:39:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: bluegrass (#21)

The problem is the Federal government,

The obvious is beyond comprehension by partisan sheep.

Rahm Emanuel will sit behind the Oval office desk with a direct line to Tel Aviv, Obummer will be in the closet with a direct line to the local KFC.

Damn, that bothers the white guilters that were snookered.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-12-05   11:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: X-15 (#22)

Something along the lines of Swiss cantons??

Exactly. Why not copy success?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-05   11:43:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#23)

Rahm Emanuel will sit behind the Oval office desk with a direct line to Tel Aviv

Perhaps the dual-citizenship issue is the screen to cover for the dual-citizens with the actual influence.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-05   11:44:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: bluegrass (#25)

Perhaps the dual-citizenship issue is the screen to cover for the dual-citizens with the actual influence.

Perhaps, but I suggest the Jews have the arrogance now to be quite open as to who will run the country.

No more hiding in the background. $750 million dollars bought a lot of votes.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-12-05   11:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: scrapper2 (#17)

Wall Street was a key campaign donor of Obama. I guess it means the bankers' party is the one you voted for - the Dems.

Ah, another analysis gem from the scrapper.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-12-05   11:49:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: bluegrass (#13)

I'd like to see fifty, sixty or seventy new small republics

Gee, I thought we had that once and junked it ???

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-12-05   11:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: bluegrass (#21)

The problem is the Federal government, not the stooge on display to make us think there's a president in office.

That doesn't exactly explain the wrist cutting that goes on here daily.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-12-05   11:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Cynicom (#26)

Agreed, but it's a compulsion for them to setup the screen play.

Damn, that works for their Hollywood cousins too. : )

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-05   11:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: iconoclast (#28)

The possibility of a true Republic gets junked everytime the bankers take over the issuing of currency and credit.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-05   11:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: iconoclast (#29)

It doesn't explain the absolute self-inflicted throat slicing I see on any of the more partisan boards for any party.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-05   11:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: scrapper2 (#19)

That traitorous socialist should have his grave moved to Russia or to Israel.

That traitorous socialist's reaction to the crash was waaaay less radical and criminal than the ludicrous 3 page knee-jerk, panic reaction of the Bush administration.

For God's sake people shake off the shibboleths and get a little perspective on this mess.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-12-05   12:05:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: iconoclast, scrapper2 (#33)

That traitorous socialist's reaction to the crash was waaaay less radical and criminal

Untrue. Roosevelt and those with him radically restructured the Federal government. The Neocons used that structure to their advantage.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-05   12:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: bluegrass (#32)

It doesn't explain the absolute self-inflicted throat slicing

Tragically, throat slicing was perhaps the second best option we had in the wake of the worst administration in American history.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-12-05   12:18:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: iconoclast (#35) (Edited)

Not to belabor a point, but every succeeding administration since Johnson has proven to be worse than the previous one. Seeing who and what Obama is appointing to various offices (not to mention his own egregious baggage), I expect he'll keep the pattern of being worse than his predecessors.

I ask this in all seriousness: How do people that support Obama turn on the "Ignore History" switch? I saw some otherwise intelligent Bush supporters do the same thing.

Just as we all knew that Bush would attack Iraq no matter what, it's quite plain that Obama will most likely attack Pakistan. Is that something that you choose not to see or does it just not matter?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-05   12:23:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: iconoclast (#33)

That traitorous socialist's reaction to the crash was waaaay less radical and criminal than the ludicrous 3 page knee-jerk, panic reaction of the Bush administration.

You're nuts if you believe that. FDR gave us the biggest ponzi-scheme in the history of mankind: Social Security and Medicare, which is under-funded to the tune of $45-50 trillion.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-05   12:44:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: iconoclast (#33)

That traitorous socialist's reaction to the crash was waaaay less radical and criminal than the ludicrous 3 page knee-jerk, panic reaction of the Bush administration.

For God's sake people shake off the shibboleths and get a little perspective on this mess.

Here's some "perspective" for you to contemplate:

a. The Wall Street bankster/insurance bailout nonsense was trumpeted and pushed by socialist traitors like Chuckie Cheesecake Schumer and Fat Boy Barney Frank, both high profile Dems. It comes as no surprise because Wall Street banksters and insurance fraudsters were key donors to Obama's campaign treasure chest.

b. Here's a summary of the findings of the UCLA research re: FDR extending the Depression by his meddling.

newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/...nged-Depression-5409.aspx

"FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate"

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.

"Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery, and because we never really knew the reason, we have always worried whether we would have another 10- to 15-year economic slump," said Ohanian, vice chair of UCLA's Department of Economics. "We found that a relapse isn't likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill-conceived stimulus policies."

In an article in the August issue of the Journal of Political Economy, Ohanian and Cole blame specific anti-competition and pro-labor measures that Roosevelt promoted and signed into law June 16, 1933.

"President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies."

Using data collected in 1929 by the Conference Board and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Cole and Ohanian were able to establish average wages and prices across a range of industries just prior to the Depression. By adjusting for annual increases in productivity, they were able to use the 1929 benchmark to figure out what prices and wages would have been during every year of the Depression had Roosevelt's policies not gone into effect. They then compared those figures with actual prices and wages as reflected in the Conference Board data.

In the three years following the implementation of Roosevelt's policies, wages in 11 key industries averaged 25 percent higher than they otherwise would have done, the economists calculate. But unemployment was also 25 percent higher than it should have been, given gains in productivity.

Meanwhile, prices across 19 industries averaged 23 percent above where they should have been, given the state of the economy. With goods and services that much harder for consumers to afford, demand stalled and the gross national product floundered at 27 percent below where it otherwise might have been.

"High wages and high prices in an economic slump run contrary to everything we know about market forces in economic downturns," Ohanian said. "As we've seen in the past several years, salaries and prices fall when unemployment is high. By artificially inflating both, the New Deal policies short-circuited the market's self-correcting forces."

The policies were contained in the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA), which exempted industries from antitrust prosecution if they agreed to enter into collective bargaining agreements that significantly raised wages. Because protection from antitrust prosecution all but ensured higher prices for goods and services, a wide range of industries took the bait, Cole and Ohanian found. By 1934 more than 500 industries, which accounted for nearly 80 percent of private, non-agricultural employment, had entered into the collective bargaining agreements called for under NIRA.

Cole and Ohanian calculate that NIRA and its aftermath account for 60 percent of the weak recovery. Without the policies, they contend that the Depression would have ended in 1936 instead of the year when they believe the slump actually ended: 1943.

Roosevelt's role in lifting the nation out of the Great Depression has been so revered that Time magazine readers cited it in 1999 when naming him the 20th century's second-most influential figure.

"This is exciting and valuable research," said Robert E. Lucas Jr., the 1995 Nobel Laureate in economics, and the John Dewey Distinguished Service Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. "The prevention and cure of depressions is a central mission of macroeconomics, and if we can't understand what happened in the 1930s, how can we be sure it won't happen again?"

NIRA's role in prolonging the Depression has not been more closely scrutinized because the Supreme Court declared the act unconstitutional within two years of its passage.

"Historians have assumed that the policies didn't have an impact because they were too short-lived, but the proof is in the pudding," Ohanian said. "We show that they really did artificially inflate wages and prices."

Even after being deemed unconstitutional, Roosevelt's anti-competition policies persisted — albeit under a different guise, the scholars found. Ohanian and Cole painstakingly documented the extent to which the Roosevelt administration looked the other way as industries once protected by NIRA continued to engage in price-fixing practices for four more years.

The number of antitrust cases brought by the Department of Justice fell from an average of 12.5 cases per year during the 1920s to an average of 6.5 cases per year from 1935 to 1938, the scholars found. Collusion had become so widespread that one Department of Interior official complained of receiving identical bids from a protected industry (steel) on 257 different occasions between mid-1935 and mid-1936. The bids were not only identical but also 50 percent higher than foreign steel prices. Without competition, wholesale prices remained inflated, averaging 14 percent higher than they would have been without the troublesome practices, the UCLA economists calculate.

NIRA's labor provisions, meanwhile, were strengthened in the National Relations Act, signed into law in 1935. As union membership doubled, so did labor's bargaining power, rising from 14 million strike days in 1936 to about 28 million in 1937. By 1939 wages in protected industries remained 24 percent to 33 percent above where they should have been, based on 1929 figures, Cole and Ohanian calculate. Unemployment persisted. By 1939 the U.S. unemployment rate was 17.2 percent, down somewhat from its 1933 peak of 24.9 percent but still remarkably high. By comparison, in May 2003, the unemployment rate of 6.1 percent was the highest in nine years.

Recovery came only after the Department of Justice dramatically stepped enforcement of antitrust cases nearly four-fold and organized labor suffered a string of setbacks, the economists found.

"The fact that the Depression dragged on for years convinced generations of economists and policy-makers that capitalism could not be trusted to recover from depressions and that significant government intervention was required to achieve good outcomes," Cole said. "Ironically, our work shows that the recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened."

scrapper2  posted on  2008-12-05   13:03:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: iconoclast (#27)

scrapper: Wall Street was a key campaign donor of Obama. I guess it means the bankers' party is the one you voted for - the Dems.

iconoclast: Ah, another analysis gem from the scrapper.

It's not "analysis". It's fact. Do you dispute the fact that Wall Street banksters and insurance fraudsters were key industry donors to Obama's Presidential campaign treasure chest?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-12-05   13:05:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: bluegrass (#34)

Roosevelt and those with him radically restructured the Federal government.

Correction.

Lincoln radically restructured the Federal government.

The more thoughtful, slower reacting pols of the thirties put loony (/sarc) things on the books like the Glass-Steagall Act as opposed to putting the Treasury printers on warp speed to bail out Wall Street=>Main Street banking crooks.

Forsake your blogs and the self-comforting little stories that you and Limbaugh's grandpappys expounded on for your edification and read some history.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-12-05   13:20:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: bluegrass (#36)

Not to belabor a point, but every succeeding administration since Johnson has proven to be worse than the previous one.

Leave my man Ron out of this. ;-)

"The perfect is the enemy of the good." Voltaire (1764)

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

"There Is Nothing New Under The Sun" (Ecclesiastes 1:9-14)

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-12-05   13:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: bluegrass (#36)

Is that something that you choose not to see or does it just not matter?

Neither

Very rare are the omniscient.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-12-05   13:42:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: iconoclast (#41)

A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery.
Mao Tse-Tung

All reactionaries are paper tigers.
Mao Tse-Tung



Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy.
Mao Tse-Tung

Despise the enemy strategically, but take him seriously tactically.
Mao Tse-Tung



Enable every woman who can work to take her place on the labour front, under the principle of equal pay for equal work.
Mao Tse-Tung

Genuine equality between the sexes can only be realized in the process of the socialist transformation of society as a whole.
Mao Tse-Tung



I voted for you during your last election.
Mao Tse-Tung

In general, any form of exercise, if pursued continuously, will help train us in perseverance. Long-distance running is particularly good training in perseverance.
Mao Tse-Tung



In time of difficulties, we must not lose sight of our achievements.
Mao Tse-Tung

In waking a tiger, use a long stick.
Mao Tse-Tung



Investigation may be likened to the long months of pregnancy, and solving a problem to the day of birth. To investigate a problem is, indeed, to solve it.
Mao Tse-Tung

Learn from the masses, and then teach them.
Mao Tse-Tung



Let a hundred flowers bloom, let a hundred schools of thought contend.
Mao Tse-Tung

Once all struggle is grasped, miracles are possible.
Mao Tse-Tung



Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive.
Mao Tse-Tung

People like me sound like a lot of big cannons.
Mao Tse-Tung



Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
Mao Tse-Tung

Political work is the life-blood of all economic work.
Mao Tse-Tung



Politics is war without bloodshed, while war is politics with bloodshed.
Mao Tse-Tung

Swollen in head, weak in legs, sharp in tongue but empty in belly.
Mao Tse-Tung



The atom bomb is a paper tiger which the United States reactionaries use to scare people. It looks terrible, but in fact it isn't.
Mao Tse-Tung

The cardinal responsibility of leadership is to identify the dominant contradiction at each point of the historical process and to work out a central line to resolve it.
Mao Tse-Tung



The differences between friends cannot but reinforce their friendship.
Mao Tse-Tung

The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.
Mao Tse-Tung



There is a serious tendency toward capitalism among the well-to-do peasants.
Mao Tse-Tung

We shall heal our wounds, collect our dead and continue fighting.
Mao Tse-Tung



We think too small, like the frog at the bottom of the well. He thinks the sky is only as big as the top of the well. If he surfaced, he would have an entirely different view.
Mao Tse-Tung

Weapons are an important factor in war, but not the decisive one; it is man and not materials that counts.
Mao Tse-Tung



Women hold up half the sky.
Mao Tse-Tung

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-05   13:42:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: iconoclast (#42)

Very rare are the omniscient.

It doesn't take omniscience to see a tool named Obama willfully being used by warmongers. We've been through this before with Bush.

I can only assume that you're in favor of even more illegal and murderous warfare on the part of the Feds and their Israeli puppetmasters.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-05   13:44:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: iconoclast (#42)

Is that something that you choose not to see or does it just not matter?

Neither

Very rare are the omniscient.

The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.

Mao Tse-Tung

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-05   13:44:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: bluegrass (#3)

There are methods to employ that would reboot the government. They're not pretty and no one seems to want to to do it.

It may come down to that though.


Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who

farmfriend  posted on  2008-12-05   13:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: iconoclast (#42)

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-05   13:47:48 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: bluegrass (#47)

World Commie Fascism administered by central Banksters at new, higher and more atrocious levels.

And the tools rejoiced

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-05   13:49:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: X-15 (#37)

You're nuts if you believe that. FDR gave us ..... Medicare

Nuts abound but only a very small subset believe that, I'm sure.

FDR met his maker 20 years before that went on the books.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-12-05   13:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Rotara (#48)

Bums love change.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-05   13:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Rotara (#43)

Good post.

Whoever said the Chinese were stupid?

Mao Tse-Tung woulda made Gordon Gekko look like an Eagle Scout!

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-12-05   14:10:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: iconoclast (#51)

Do you have your little red book with you ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-05   14:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: farmfriend (#46)

There are methods to employ that would reboot the government. They're not pretty and no one seems to want to to do it.

It may come down to that though.

Apparently Henry believes it HAS come down to that.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-12-05   14:13:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: bluegrass (#44)

I can only assume that you're in favor of even more illegal and murderous warfare on the part of the Feds and their Israeli puppetmasters.

Try to get your money back on your assumptions. They're a gigantic baloney stuffer.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-12-05   14:15:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Rotara (#52)

Do you have your little red book with you ?

Never had one in my hand.

Guess I'll never have need for one as long as you keep postin.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-12-05   14:19:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: iconoclast (#55)

Never had one in my hand.

Guess I'll never have need for one as long as you keep postin.

I'm doing my best to make 4um feel like home for you.

It's good to keep at least one or two World Communist tools around and posting.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-05   14:22:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: iconoclast (#54)

your assumptions.

They're observations based on what he and his appointees have said.

You appear to suffer from TBCSSS - True Believer, Can't See Shit Syndrome. Bushies were afflicted with the same debilitating condition.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-05   14:22:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: bluegrass (#57)

You appear to suffer from TBCSSS - True Believer, Can't See Shit Syndrome. Bushies were afflicted with the same debilitating condition.

NeoCons and NeoCommies are heading the same place; just some disagreements on the exact path when in fact they have little choice.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-05   14:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: iconoclast (#53)

Apparently Henry believes it HAS come down to that.

Well we haven't tried massive protests in washington. If we had hundreds of thousands of people in the washington mall day after day like they have after third world elections we might make some headway. Apathy seems to be reigning though.


Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who

farmfriend  posted on  2008-12-05   14:26:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: farmfriend (#59)

Well we haven't tried massive protests in washington. If we had hundreds of thousands of people in the washington mall day after day like they have after third world elections we might make some headway. Apathy seems to be reigning though.

http://www.appletreeblog.com/wp-content/2008/07/obama-berlin.jpg

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-05   14:28:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: All (#60)

http://www.barackobamaismyhomeboy.com/images/city/preview/BarackObama-Berlin2.jpg

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-05   14:29:53 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Rotara, farmfriend (#60)

dear god, is that sobering and depressing.

christine  posted on  2008-12-05   14:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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