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Revelation 13:4 … At the same time, the Great War (World War I), as it was then called, opened the way for the United States to emerge distinctly as part of the Anglo-American World Power. For the first years of the war, public opinion keep the United States out of the conflict. But as historian Esme Wingfield-Stratford wrote; “it was all a question of whether, at this hour of supreme crisis, Britain and the United States would sink their differences in the realization of (their) overmastering unity and common trusteeship.” As events turned out, they did. In 1917, the United States contributed her resources and manpower to bolster the war effort of the staggering Allies. Thus, the seventh head, combining Britain and the United States, came out on the winning side. The world after the war was vastly different. Satan’s earthly system, although devastated by the death stroke, revived and became more powerful than ever and so won the admiration of humans because of its recuperative power. Historian Charles L. Mee, Jr., writes; “The collapse of the old order (caused by the first world war) was a necessary prelude to the spread of self-rule, the liberation of new nations and classes, the release of new freedom and independence.” Leading in the development of this postwar era was the seventh head of the wild beast, now healed, and with the United States of America moving into the dominant role. The dual world power took the lead in advocating both the League of Nations and the United Nations. By the year 2005, U.S. political power had led the more privileged nations in creating a higher standard of living, in fighting disease, and in advancing technology. It had even placed men on the moon. It is no wonder, therefore, that mankind in general has “followed the wild beast with admiration.” Mankind has even gone beyond admiring the wild beast, as John next states: “And they worshipped the dragon because it gave the authority to the wild beast, and they worshipped the wild beast with the words: ‘Who is like the wild beast, and who can do battle with it?’” (Revelation 13:4) While Jesus was here on earth, Satan claimed to have authority over all the kingdoms of the earth. Jesus did not dispute this; in fact, he himself referred to Satan as the ruler of the world and refused to participate in the politics of that day. John later wrote of true Christians: “We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19; Luke 4:5-8; John 6:15; 14:30) Satan delegates power to the wild beast, and he does this on a nationalistic basis. Thus, instead of being united in bonds of goodly love, mankind has become divided by pride of tribe, race, and nation. The great majority of people worship, in effect, that part of the wild beast having authority in the land where they happen to live. Thus the whole beast gains admiration and worship. In what sense? In the sense of putting love of country ahead of love of God. Most people love the land of their birth. As good citizens, true Christians also respect the rulers and the emblems of the country where they reside, obey the laws, and make a positive contribution to the welfare of their community and their neighbors. (Romans 13:1-7; 1 Peter 2:13-17) They cannot, however, give blind devotion to one country as against all others. “Our country, right or wrong,” is not a Christian teaching. So Christians who worship Jehovah God cannot share in giving prideful patriotic worship to any part of the wild beast, for this would amount to worshipping the dragon – the source of authority of the beast. They cannot ask admiringly: “Who is like the wild beast?” Rather, they follow the example of Michael – his name meaning “Who Is Like God?” – as they uphold Jehovah’s universal sovereignty. At God’s appointed time, Christ Jesus will do battle with the wild beast and conquer it, even as he triumphed in expelling Satan from heaven. – Revelation 12:7-9; 19:11, 19:21. ....
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That's a lie. He is the ruler of this age (aion), not of the world. THe world belongs to God. Acts 17:24 "The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; The rest, I wont bother with.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C harles_Taze_Russell Richard has a tendancy to jam his Jehovah's Witness drivel up other folks ass at every opportunity.
They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !
Pastor Russell's Pyramid Gravestone.
They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !
Satan is bound...his only power now is to deceive [Rev. 20:7-10] which he's doing a pretty good job of. Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Mat 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...?b=Mat&c=12&v=29&t=KJV#29 Rapture & Premillennialism Refuted.....Satan bound by Jesus 2000 years ago! www.bible.ca/pre-rev20-satan-bound.htm ...been meaning to say something about that premillennialism stuff.....it's worse than the rapture hoax to keep Christian America down, and Judeo-"British-Israel" [ http://www.asis.com/users/stag/royalty.html / http://www.asis.com/users/stag/uspres.html ] with its grubby paws around our neck. We are living in Christ's kingdom NOW....there is no "1,000 year reign [reich]" for the Judeo-Brits to rule over us. [There were only 400 years of captivity spelled out in Genesis 15:13-14/Gal. 3:16-29]. The scepter [right to rule] passed to Christ [Lion of the tribe of Judah] on His first arrival. It was even spelled out in the sky: www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=77119 Someone was kind enough to send me a link to Chapter 3 of the Union Jack.... [ http://www.congregator.net/topical/union-jack-chapter-3.htm ]. It spells out the great deception, and conspiracy against America [Psalm 2]....my only complaint is that Jesus didn't just say "My kingdom is not of this world." What He actually said is "My kingdom is not NOW of this "world" ["kosmos" - constitution, government, ORDER of things] ....speaking BEFORE His crucifixion and resurrection....and speaking in the place where it was told the Jews: The kingdom will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits thereof....let no fruit grow on thee FOREVER. That nation/kingdom, which everybody likes to hate, is America [that does not include Britain's partner-in-crime, the US Government; Ezekiel 17:7-10]. Jesus is the KING of ISRAEL, the nation that was founded in His name with a cross, and a dedication to spreading the gospel. That is all contrary to the wishes of the City of London, because the truth would make us free, and they don't want us to be free. They like having us as slaves, slurping the fruits of our labors, and having us fight their wars of conquest. They have raised up the staff against us, after the manner of Egypt, to keep us enslaved. I keep wondering when God is going to raise up that scourge against them, like He has promised. Maybe when Christians turn back to Him, and not to the one who is smiting them. The US is still a [Judeo] British Colony, extorting taxes for "The Crown": "...When Cornwallis surrendered to Washington he surrendered the battle, not the war. Read the Article of Capitulation signed by Cornwallis at Yorktown (footnote 3) Jonathan Williams recorded in his book, Legions of Satan, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington during his surrender that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown."...."in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire." All the Treaty did was remove the United States as a liability and obligation of the king. He no longer had to ship material and money to support his subjects and colonies. At the same time he retained financial subjection through debt owed after the Treaty, which is still being created today; millions of dollars a day. And his heirs and successors are still reaping the benefit of the kings original venture. ....." http://www.civil-liberties.com/books/colony2.html /Genesis 15:13-14/Galatians 3:16....29 Without addressing the rest of your article: At God’s appointed time, Christ Jesus will do battle with the wild beast and conquer it, even as he triumphed in expelling Satan from heaven. I say Amen to that. http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...?b=Isa&c=14&v=25&t=KJV#25 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/s...cfm?b=Isa&c=14&v=25&t=KJV Eze 39:4 Thou [ Gog and Magog http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=60690 ] shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel [America], thou, and all thy bands, and the people that [is] with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and [to] the beasts of the field to be devoured. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I tend towards agreement here for sure !!!
They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP Please be careful as to who you are calling a liar; “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one,” says the apostle John. (1 John 5:19) There is a reason that Jesus Christ did not partake of politics, and that reason is the Jehovah God is permitting man to learn what happens when we do not live according to His Word. I do understand that you are very confused on this issue, but you still need to be careful with your choices of words. When you make such statements, you show no fruitage of the spirit. “The fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control.”—Gal. 5:22, 23, NW.
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
And did someone twist your arm to read the post? If not, perhaps you should take some sage advice ... from the Bible which you so obviously scorn; “The fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control.”—Gal. 5:22, 23, NW. You should also carefully read what you posted as a reply, rather than depending on what others have told you about it.
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
Uh, I know you do not like to read, but that is what is pointed out in the post. As to the other, Satan was not bound 2,000 years ago, and to say so ignores what the world has become, and what is happening to the world today. You are claiming that Jesus Christ rules over, and permits, all of the wars of today?! Amazing. And, amazing how little you and yours understand Revelation. Which, I might add, was written sometime in the 90s C.E. Well after the death of Jesus Christ. “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one,” says the apostle John. (1 John 5:19)
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
I am calling the author a liar. It is quite deliberate. “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one,” does not mean that satan owns the world. It means he controls it only to the degree that GOd allows. He cannot act without Gods' permission. The book of Job, for example. When you make such statements, you show no fruitage of the spirit. Fruitage? I just call a spade a spade. The person that wrote that should have known better. But he comes across with great authority to try and make himself look like he knows what he is talking about. Just like the other wolves do, he makes assertions without backing them up. “The fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control.”—Gal. 5:22, 23, NW. I see nothing about tolerating lies or liars in there. Using your standards, Christ should have hugged the moneychangers instead of beating them with cords.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
Perhaps you should take your own advice, and be more careful as to what you say, until you read something completely, and understand what you are reading. Where did you read that the author wrote that Satan OWNED the world? This is what you are arguing about, and what YOU posted in your reply; Satan claimed to have authority over all the kingdoms of the earth. It says nothing in there about Satan owning the world; it says exactly what is said in 1 John; “the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one”? (1 John 5:19) And this is exactly what Jesus Christ was referring to as well, that Satan controlled the governments of man. Or, are you going to want to argue about that as well?
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
This is what the article said: While Jesus was here on earth, Satan claimed to have authority over all the kingdoms of the earth. Jesus did not dispute this; in fact, he himself referred to Satan as the ruler of the world This is what I said: That's a lie. He is the ruler of this age (aion), not of the world. The world belongs to God. Satan can only do what he is allowed to do. Job, for example. God is soverign, not Satan.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
That's a lie. He is the ruler of this age (aion), not of the world. The world belongs to God. I would guess from this that someone, probably me, needs to explain to you what 'the world' is that is referred to in the Bible. At John 3:16, 17, what “world” did God love so much, and what “world” did God send Jesus, not to judge, but to save? In John’s account of Jesus’ life the English word “world” is translated from the Greek word kósmos, which occurs at least seventy-nine times in the original text of John’s account. Fundamentally, kósmos means “order,” that is, a constituted order, an arrangement, an ordering of things according to a certain design, an arrangement of things according to a certain pattern. I.e., governments. I will post the entire piece so you can read it. Basically, unless you understand this, you can make no sense out of 'be in this world, but not OF this world,' or 'order of things.'
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
You should also I can't get past all of the YOU SHOULDs spilling from your mouth to even think about reading one of your posts ... and I have been longsuffering, geez you preach down to everyone continually about your phoney religion and you've been doing so for a VERY LONG TIME. Occasionally, I get where I just can't stomach another display of your pompous bullshit without reminding you of how ostentatiously arrogant you sound.
They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !
Bully for you. perhaps YOU SHOULD simply ignore what I post..... that takes all of the stress out of it, does it not? And perhaps YOU SHOULD simply put me on bozo: in fact, I would suggest that YOU SHOULD do exactly that, cause you certainly have no interest in the Bible.
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
'sez you. Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...ev&c=3&v=11&t=KJV#conc/11 quickly = 1) quickly, speedily (without delay) http://www.blueletterbible.org/l...n.cfm?Strongs=G5035&t=KJV Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory...... Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled....... The Wars Of The Jews; or The History of the Destruction Of Jerusalem http://www.preteristarchive.com/...timeline_theological.html You are claiming that Jesus Christ rules over, and permits, all of the wars of today? as you yourself said: Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;. furthermore: Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Isa 60:12 — For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, [those] nations shall be utterly wasted. Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him. Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me. ETC.: http://www.blueletterbible.org/s...cfm?b=Isa&c=60&v=12&t=KJV Satan was not bound 2,000 years ago, and to say so ignores what the world has become, and what is happening to the world today. To say he wasn't, is to call Jesus a liar....par for the JW course. Mat 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. Luk 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Jhn 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. Rom 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen. Col 2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. The world is evil because the devil has been let out to deceive the nations to bring them to the final battle: Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Isa 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, [so] shall it stand: Isa 14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders. Isa 14:26 This [is] the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this [is] the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
In John’s account of Jesus’ life the English word “world” is translated from the Greek word kósmos, which occurs at least seventy-nine times in the original text of John’s account. Really? www.studylight.org/lex/gr...&book=joh&translation=str tells it occurs 58 times in John, not "at least 79". And in just glancing thru all the times it occurs, it is translated as "world", not "Fundamentally, kósmos means “order,” that is, a constituted order, an arrangement, an ordering of things according to a certain design, an arrangement of things according to a certain pattern. I.e., governments. " So you are now working your way towards showing that Christ did not came to save the world, like He plainly claimed He did, but only that he came to save certain people. Am I right?
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
As British power declined the U.S. eagerly jumped in to assume the role of "the plague of the world". Just a brief reality check.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
And that is true, just as it is true for EACH GENERATION, as each generation has only a very, very short time on this earth to learn The Way and change their attitudes. CAUSE THEY DIE!!!!! And turn to dust in the ground!! And once they die, they no longer have the opportunity to change and accept the Salvation of Jehovah. This is really very simple. Revelation was written nearly 70 years AFTER Jesus Christ died, and more than 20 years AFTER JERUSALEM WAS DESTROYED. It is impossible that it refers to the current events of that time. This is really not that hard to grasp, if you listen to the actual words of the Bible, rather to the non-sense of men.
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
citation please....see the Jewish Wars....those things WERE fulfilled. or... see DAYS OF VENGEANCE: www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/2226_47e.htm David Chilton backs it up, chapter by chapter, verse by verse.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Did I say that, or, anything like it? This is how it is stated in the Bible; Rev. 20:12, 13: “I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. . . . They were judged individually according to their deeds.” Both those who formerly did good things and those who formerly practiced bad things will be “judged individually according to their deeds.” What deeds? If we were to take the view that people were going to be condemned on the basis of deeds in their past life, that would be inconsistent with Romans 6:7: “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” It would also be unreasonable to resurrect people simply for them to be destroyed. So, at John 5:28, 29, Jesus was pointing ahead to the resurrection; then, in the remainder of verse 29, he was expressing the outcome after they had been uplifted to human perfection and been put on judgment. But I will take that a step further; are you of the opinion that you know who and how Almighty God is going to judge men? Are you absolutely sure that Hitler and Stalin, not to mention the Catholic Popes, will be resurrected to everlasting life?
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
citation please Writer: Apostle John Place Written: Patmos Writing Completed: c. 96 C.E. David Chilton backs it up, chapter by chapter, verse by verse. I could care less, but I do not see how. Babylon the Great Definition: The world empire of false religion, embracing all religions whose teachings and practices do not conform to the true worship of Jehovah, the only true God. Following the Flood of Noah’s day, false religion had its beginning at Babel (later known as Babylon). (Gen. 10:8-10; 11:4-9) In time, Babylonish religious beliefs and practices spread to many lands. So Babylon the Great became a fitting name for false religion as a whole. What evidence points to the identity of Babylon the Great, referred to in Revelation? It could not be the ancient city of Babylon. Revelation was written at the end of the first century C.E. and describes events that would reach down to our day. The Encyclopedia Americana says: “The city [Babylon] was taken by the Persians under Cyrus the Great in 539 B.C. Later Alexander the Great planned to make Babylon the capital of his eastern empire, but after his death Babylon gradually lost importance.” (1956, Vol. III, p. 7) Today the city is an uninhabited ruin. In the symbolism of Revelation, Babylon the Great is referred to as a “great city,” a “kingdom” that rules other kings. (Rev. 17:18) Like a city, it would have many organizations within it; and like a kingdom that includes other kings in its domain, it would be international in scope. It is described as having relations with political rulers and contributing much to the wealth of men in commerce, while itself being a third element that “has become a dwelling place of demons” and a persecutor of “prophets and of holy ones.”—Rev. 18:2, 9-17, 24.
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
As British power declined the U.S. eagerly jumped in to assume the role of "the plague of the world". oh, i agree...but we are their proxy. see the link to the UNION JACK in my first post, and/or this: British Israel Steps Toward a British Union and International Strife Montana House of Representative 1940 (Including Drifting Together [Will the United States and Canada Unite, written in 1940, seeds of the NAU], Sir Uncle Sam Knight of the British Empire, and Undermining America) www.freedomdomain.com/Racism/british_israel_parts.html We rejected Jesus from ruling over us. He said to call no man on earth Father....what do we call George Washington?? 1Sa 8:10 And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king. 1Sa 8:11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint [them] for himself, for his chariots, and [to be] his horsemen; and [some] shall run before his chariots. 1Sa 8:12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and [will set them] to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots..... www.blueletterbible.org/B...cfm?b=1Sa&c=8&v=7&t=KJV#7 We're a people "terrible from our beginning" Isa 18:2 That sendeth ambassadors by the sea, even in vessels of bulrushes upon the waters, [saying], Go, ye swift messengers, to a nation scattered and peeled, to a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden down, whose land the rivers have spoiled! www.blueletterbible.org/B...Isa&c=18&v=2&t=KJV#conc/2 see :) www.blueletterbible.org/l...n.cfm?Strongs=H3372&t=KJV If you can't beat 'em, HARNESS 'em!
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Martin Luther referred to the world as "the Devil' playground," although I seemtlo be safe in my hollow tree, which is why I live there.
Baby Jesus loves Turtle.
Place Written: Patmos Writing Completed: c. 96 C.E. Says who??? Babylon the Great Definition: The world empire of false religion, embracing all religions whose teachings and practices do not conform to the true worship of Jehovah, the only true God. Following the Flood of Noah’s day, false religion had its beginning at Babel (later known as Babylon). (Gen. 10:8-10; 11:4-9) In time, Babylonish religious beliefs and practices spread to many lands. definition fits the pharisees. Jhn 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. www.blueletterbible.org/s....cfm?b=Jhn&c=8&v=19&t=KJV Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Martin Luther was right, of course. As to your hollow tree, well, if it keeps your singing to a low enough key, fine, if not....................
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
All means all, except to theologians that try and explain away scriptures into fitting their personal doctrines. God is judging His house now. 1 Peter 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? The rest get judged later. Ah yes, the Hitler and Stalin argument. You threw in the popes too. You are the first one I have seen to include them. Who, according to NT scripture, was the "worst sinner"? How long did it take to convert him? And do you really think you are better than any of them? If I recall correctly, there are a few scriptures that have some things to say about pride. Break 1 law, you are guilty of all.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
Many, many people and groups; http://revelationexplained.com/pg.basictruths6.html Revelation 1:19 gives a clear scope of the Revelation, stating, "Write the things thou hast seen [past tense], and the things which are [present tense], and the things which shall be hereafter [future tense]. When the Apostle John received the Revelation (approximately A.D. 96), the Gospel Day had already been operating for sixty-three years (since A.D. 33). Therefore, some of these scenes were things that had already taken place, some were taking place as a present-tense reality, and others would take place in other portions of the Gospel Day. http://www.truthandgrace.com/revelation.htm Note: Amillennialists proclaim that Revelation was written before Jerusalem was destroyed. Note: Amillennialists avoid the context of Revelation chapter 17 in that "the women" who temporarily controls the kings kills Christians. Revelation 17:6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement. Which was the first emperor to persecute Christians? The emperors from Julius Caesar through Claudius never heard of Christians. The first emperor to persecute Christians was Nero to whom Paul appealed his conviction. The five kings who have fallen would be Nero, Galba, Otho, Vitellius, and Vespasian. The emperor "who is" (at time Revelation was written) would be Domitian. Did you get all of that, cause it is very important! Now, from the same source; Note: Early church fathers gave a late writing of Revelation. Irenaeous referred to Revelation in a work he wrote near the end of the second century, probably between A.D. 180 and 190. Irenaeus's credibility is enhanced, not only by his important defense of the faith, but also by his claim to be a personal acquaintance of Polycarp, who in turn had known the Apostle John himself. Irenaeus's testimony regarding Revelation is found in book 5 of his famous work Against Heresies. This has been rendered in English as follows: "We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him who beheld the apocalyptic vision. For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign." Pages 141-142. I could continue with this for some time, but perhaps the above is enough. Please read the following CAREFULLY. How could John say, though, that these “slaves” would be shown “things that must shortly take place”? Were not those words spoken more than 1,900 years ago? From the viewpoint of Jehovah, in whose eyes a thousand years are but “as yesterday,” 1,900 years is a short time when compared with the aeons of time that he spent in creating and preparing the earth for human habitation. (Psalm 90:4) The apostle Paul wrote of his own “eager expectation and hope,” for no doubt the reality of his reward seemed close at hand to him. (Philippians 1:20) Today, however, the evidence abounds that all the things foretold will take place on schedule. Never before in history has the very survival of mankind been at stake. Only God has the solution!—Isaiah 45:21.
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
I asked a retorical question, as to if you know what Almighty God is going to do about certain personalities. I make no judgements, as it is not in my jurisdiction; NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY!! And the material I posted clearly states that everyone will be resurrected, and no one knows what decisions Almighty God is going to make as to if, why, when, or not, and that includes the Christ Jesus. The sad fact is that all you want to do is pick apart to start an argument instead of holding a beneficial discussion.
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
Let's take this a step further, shall we? You might want to read all of the page, as it is quite revealing. http://www.biblestudying.net/rev-date.html Preterists' convenient re-interpretation of Irenaeus' statement betrays their bias in the matter. Furthermore their insistence and confidence in this unwarranted supposition is highly suspicious, nonobjective, and quite unscholarly to say the least. But, for the sake of argument, let's assume for a moment that the Preterist interpretation of Irenaeus' statement is correct. Let's assume that it is "John" and not "the apocalyptic vision" that was seen near the end of Domitian's reign. Is the scenario that they are depicting a reasonable one? Not at all. Let's take a look at the logical outcome of their interpretation. A Preterist view unequivocally upholds the following. 1. John was a witness and disciple of Jesus during Jesus' life on earth. 2. John understood that Jesus would return in his lifetime from what Jesus taught him regarding his return. This information he effectively taught to the Church of his day. 3. God used John to record and instruct the church with regard to the teachings of Jesus' through his own ministry and through the writing of one Gospel, and three epistles. 4. God revealed to John a vision of Christ's return in the 60's AD. 5. John witnessed and lived through the fulfillment of Jesus' revelation, prophecy and teaching regarding his return when these events occurred in 70 AD. (Here's where we see the breakdown in plausibility.) 6. John lived for another 25 years or so after his "apocalyptic vision" was fulfilled and Jesus returned in 70 AD. 7. During these 25 years after Jesus return, John (the writer of one Gospel, three epistles, and recorder of "the apocalyptic vision" describing Jesus' return), did not manage to successfully communicate the fact that his "apocalyptic vision" had been fulfilled 25 years earlier in 70 AD. 8. (By extension) Either God chose not to use John to inform the Church that Jesus' second coming and the apocalyptic vision were fulfilled in 70 AD, or God did chose to use John in this way but for one reason or another John did not accomplish that mission. Based on the above Preterist scenario and the fact that all orthodox church writers and scholars for at least two centuries after 70 AD upheld a Futurist view of eschatology, one of the four highly unreasonable conclusions must be drawn regarding John, the church, and Jesus' return in 70 AD. 1. John DID NOT understand that his "apocalyptic vision" had been fulfilled in 70 AD and so did not teach this to the church. 2. John DID understand that his "apocalyptic vision" had been fulfilled in 70 AD yet chose not to teach this to the church. 3. John DID understand that his "apocalyptic vision" had been fulfilled in 70 AD and attempted to teach this to the church, but was completely ineffective and wholly failed in this task. 4. John did understand that his "apocalyptic vision" had been fulfilled in 70 AD and effectively taught this to the church only to have his teaching on the matter universally rejected by the church. One last item to remember on this point: we have no record of either John or any other member of the early Church writing to instruct the Church that the events prophesied in the New Testament surrounding the return of Christ ever came to pass in 70 AD. If those events did come to pass, then the Church was left with no instruction regarding that fact. In summary, we conclude that Preterists have failed to demonstrate an objective, reasonable basis for rejecting the traditional interpretation of Irenaeus' statement. And therefore, Preterists have failed to make the case for a pre-90's dating of Revelation. This is based on two points, which we have argued thoroughly above. One, the traditional intepretation of Irenaeus' statement and the traditional dating of Revelation are inherently more reasonable, intuitive, and simple from a grammatical standpoint. Two, the unavoidable, logical extensions of the Preterist view on this matter inevitably lead to an absurd understanding of how the early Church arrived at a Futurist doctrine.
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
I said he was going to judge them, Hitler, Stalin, popes, you, me, everyone. You didnt ask a "rhetorical question", you tried to set a trap. You think that by asking about what you think of as extremely evil people will change anything? Who is it that makes the vessels of honor and dishonor? WHo makes peace and creates evil? God does it all, if you believe the scriptures. Don't you know that we will judge angels? It is our job to judge righteous judgment. You said: "And the material I posted clearly states that everyone will be resurrected, and no one knows what decisions Almighty God is going to make as to if, why, when, or not, and that includes the Christ Jesus. " If why when or not? Referring to what? Are you referring to "sentencing"? If so, David said that he would rather be judged my God rather than man. And David was no angel. Then you said: "The sad fact is that all you want to do is pick apart to start an argument instead of holding a beneficial discussion. " You call it picking apart. I call it exposing lies. You seem to be upset that I am not just going along with what you are teaching, and that is not "beneficial" to you. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
Satan claimed to have authority over all the kingdoms of the earth. You are nothing but a typical debater who, if he loses a point, simply ignores that and goes on the attack about something else, and I am not going to play that game. The above is where we were at, and you brought in the other. I then asked you if you thought, etc., a retorical question. No traps. No nonsense. And, that was my question. Everything else I sent came directly from the official writings of the Jehovah's Witnesses, and is Scripturally sound. And then you want to add; and that is not "beneficial" to you. Are you waiting for me to pass the collection plate? In what way is it beneficial to me? Very, very strange how you add 2 and 2 to get 3.
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
Ya'll keep going. You'll get that needle through the camels' eye yet.
That's putting it differently......
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
and you, my good sir are a typical "baiter". Richard, you insist upon trolling for a religious argument continuously. Most times I resist responding to your entrapments but I guess today isn't one of those times. Your instructions and preachings might impress a novice bible student, but grate upon the patience of others that may be more studied than "even" yourself, especially when each utterance seems to be spoken as if it were spoken from far above the lowly scum that gather here. Maybe you're attempting to speak with "authority" as was said about Jesus. Surely, reading His words demonstrates a humility that you would do well to find.
They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !
Almost nothing I post in Religion is written by me. I clearly mark that in the author section in each piece. I am not capable of writing the pieces I post, which are so Scripturally sound that they can not be qustioned, which is why debaters want to pull any discussion off point. And the Scriptually sound part is what causes the problems for those such as yourself who do not bother to do the studies. I wonder, noone, I open the Bible about 20 plus times a week. I have more than 200 verses marked for special attention in my Bible, and, if I counted in all of my Bibles, that would be more than 400 verses. Do you even open a Bible once a week? Once a month? Do you even have 5 favorite verses?! I listen to you spout, when we could have a clear discussion about the merits of each verse, but that is apparently beyond you. Perhaps you might learn something, or, you may be able to clear up some of my understandings. But that is beyond your ability, appartently. You hold the same beliefs as the vast majority of mankind does about the nature of their gods (trinity), the so-called immortal soul, and hell, and can not grasp what is meant about the narrow road which few find and the broad road so well traveled and which leads to destruction. But that is your choice, noone. You have a free will, and if you think that you are gaining something by spouting off at every preceived evil in the world, then go for it. If you ever wake up, Jehovah is interested in you.
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
I was going to leave this alone, but what the hey. I am not interested in arguments. I am interested in learning. Period. If I am wrong, I want to know it. But you have to prove it. The man who studied the Bible with me spent two years teaching me what the Bible really says, and you think that you are going to change my mind by just making a couple of well traveled and disproved statements?! I DON'T THINK SO!! Open a Bible, noone, and get with it. Everyone who wants to chew on me makes such silly statements about the Bible, that it is quite obvious that they are simply talking about what they were told. That does not cut it. Period. Actually, what you sound like is exactly like all of the stupid ones who want to argue that there is no law requiring them to pay the income tax. So, you show them where it is authorized on a contractual basis within the Social Security Enabling Act and they will still go ahead and argue their way right into a prison cause they will not accept proof. The only thing that they want to hear is what they want to hear, just like you. Nothing else matters.
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
Wheee. Wow. Richard! This is impressive! Where do you want your little merit badge? Is your shoulder OK now? Seriously, Richard......your 'holier than thou' attitude gains no conversation or debate. With your attitude, I guarantee you would not gain entry into my home--and I do have a friend here who is JW who does come into my home and visit! But Cherie is nothing like you in attitude, or should I say, perceived attitude? Frankly, richard, you seem to be just another one of those 'we're the only ones going to heaven, yada yada yada' types...those who should never be verbally witnessing regarding Jesus Christ, Jehovah, the Holy Spirit, Gospels, or anything else. You'd do much better just to let people see your actions, i.e., your head spent over YOUR bible, or watchiing you in prayer.
Thanks Dee. Most of the folks that partiipate on this forum are interested in learning and sharing information. It just makes the learning a little hard to take when it's being force fed to ya by an 800 pound angelic gorilla.
They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !
The Lord God has allowed Satan to operate within the limits or boundries HE set. Satan's domain or control is only over unbelievers. Colossians 1: 12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 2 Timothy 2 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. 1 John 5 19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
You hold the same beliefs as the vast majority of mankind does about the nature of their gods (trinity), the so-called immortal soul, and hell, and can not grasp what is meant about the narrow road which few find and the broad road so well traveled and which leads to destruction. Actually, what you sound like is exactly like all of the stupid ones who want to argue that there is no law requiring them to pay the income tax. So, you show them where it is authorized on a contractual basis within the Social Security Enabling Act and they will still go ahead and argue their way right into a prison cause they will not accept proof. The only thing that they want to hear is what they want to hear, just like you. Nothing else matters. That you're soley interested in "learning", period ... is a lie, period. It's all too obvious that you're most interested in everyone else learning what you decide to teach. Truly remarkable scholars and spiritually inclined seekers of truth have dedicated entire lifetimes to earnestly study Biblical writings. Many of these have encountered difficulty interpreting the many levels of scriptural revelation. I, myself am persuaded that one lifetime isn't long enough to complete a thorough understanding of scripture. In reading these scholarly commentaries one realizes the sincerity and intensity of their search for understanding without feeling the sting of the masters whip. With you, the sting of the whip is ever present. It's as if you set the snare, and lay in wait for a victim. Most generally you throw out a topic that suits your fancy or latest exposure to new learning, and then pounce upon anyone that might offer a differing opinion. I have utter disdain for bullies and regard them with contempt. I have witnessed 1st hand on many occasions interested and inquisitive people get completely turned off to scripture because of the actions and statements made by the hypocrites and tyrants claiming to teach it. Remove the beam in your own eye before trying to remove the splinter in your neighbors seems to me the appropriate message herein. Having a genuine debate or discussion purposed to enlighten doesn't begin with one of the parties talking down to the others involved. Finally, religious inquisitions have been carried out through tyrannical misapplication of authority based upon particular interpretations of scripture by religious criminals with the assistance of well intentioned zealots. Anyone with a cursory knowledge of history can see that this has occurred repeatedly and most would choose to avoid a recurrence. If the religious organizations calling themselves churches have a problem it's of their own making. Their history is filled with hypocrisy and murder, that even the unwashed masses are repulsed by. I am content to develop my own beliefs through study without feeling the necessity to debate them with you, or attempting to convince others that they should believe as I do. An argument over the trinity is absolute nonsense and a complete waste of time, though it has been debated for millenium by the most ardent students of scripture. They're all dead and the debate continues. Another poster (Rowdee) made the point that you appear to be one that has decided everyone making determinations diverse from yours is going to hell. I agree with her on this point. I also think this attitude is small minded and reduces the unlimited power of the Creator of this universe to that of the foster parent of a spoiled child that thinks he's "special". Actually, what you sound like is exactly like all of the stupid ones who want to argue that there is no law requiring them to pay the income tax. Really ? What if I said that I hold no opinion as regards the secular "law" regarding income taxation but have chosen prison (or worse) in preference to financing the murder of little children ? Peter stated quite plainly that we are to observe God's Laws not man's. I can be a real asshole, Richard. That's how I'm able to know one when I see one.
They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestWhile Jesus was here on earth, Satan claimed to have authority over all the kingdoms of the earth. Jesus did not dispute this; in fact, he himself referred to Satan as the ruler of the world
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#3. To: All (#2)
#4. To: richard9151 (#0)
While Jesus was here on earth, Satan claimed to have authority over all the kingdoms of the earth. Jesus did not dispute this;
#5. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#4)
Eze 39:4 Thou [ Gog and Magog http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=60690 ] shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel [America], thou, and all thy bands, and the people that [is] with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and [to] the beasts of the field to be devoured.
#6. To: REDPANTHER (#1)
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"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#7. To: PSUSA (#1)
That's a lie. He is the ruler of this age (aion), not of the world. THe world belongs to God.
#8. To: noone222 (#2)
Richard has a tendancy to jam his Jehovah's Witness drivel up other folks ass at every opportunity.
#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#4)
The US is still a [Judeo] British Colony, extorting taxes for "The Crown":
#10. To: richard9151 (#7)
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Please be careful as to who you are calling a liar;
#11. To: PSUSA (#10)
But he comes across with great authority to try and make himself look like he knows what he is talking about.
#12. To: richard9151 (#11)
Where did you read that the author wrote that Satan OWNED the world? This is what you are arguing about, and what YOU posted in your reply;
#13. To: PSUSA (#12)
This is what I said:
#14. To: richard9151 (#8)
perhaps you should ....
#15. To: noone222 (#14)
Occasionally, I get where I just can't stomach another display of your pompous bullshit without reminding you of how ostentatiously arrogant you sound.
#16. To: richard9151 (#9)
amazing how little you and yours understand Revelation. Which, I might add, was written sometime in the 90s C.E. Well after the death of Jesus Christ.
#17. To: richard9151 (#13)
At John 3:16, 17, what “world” did God love so much, and what “world” did God send Jesus, not to judge, but to save?
#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#4)
That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire."
#19. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#16)
Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
#20. To: richard9151 (#19)
This is really very simple. Revelation was written nearly 70 years AFTER Jesus Christ died, and more than 20 years AFTER JERUSALEM WAS DESTROYED. It is impossible that it refers to the current events of that time.
#21. To: PSUSA (#17)
but only that he came to save certain people. Am I right?
#22. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#20)
This is really very simple. Revelation was written nearly 70 years AFTER Jesus Christ died, and more than 20 years AFTER JERUSALEM WAS DESTROYED. It is impossible that it refers to the current events of that time.
#23. To: iconoclast (#18)
That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire."
#24. To: richard9151 (#0)
#25. To: richard9151 (#22)
Writer: Apostle John
#26. To: Turtle (#24)
Martin Luther referred to the world as "the Devil' playground,"
#27. To: richard9151 (#21)
But I will take that a step further; are you of the opinion that you know who and how Almighty God is going to judge men? Are you absolutely sure that Hitler and Stalin, not to mention the Catholic Popes, will be resurrected to everlasting life?
#28. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#25)
Says who???
#29. To: PSUSA (#27)
Ah yes, the Hitler and Stalin argument. You threw in the popes too. You are the first one I have seen to include them.
#30. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#25)
Says who???
#31. To: richard9151 (#29)
I asked a retorical question, as to if you know what Almighty God is going to do about certain personalities. I make no judgements, as it is not in my jurisdiction; NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY!!
#32. To: PSUSA (#31)
Where did you read that the author wrote that Satan OWNED the world? This is what you are arguing about, and what YOU posted in your reply;
#33. To: richard9151 (#0)
#34. To: Rube Goldberg (#33)
Ya'll keep going. You'll get that needle through the camels' eye yet.
#35. To: richard9151 (#32)
You are nothing but a typical debater
#36. To: noone222 (#35)
Maybe you're attempting to speak with "authority" as was said about Jesus.
#37. To: noone222 (#35)
you insist upon trolling for a religious argument continuously.
#38. To: richard9151, noone222 (#36)
I wonder, noone, I open the Bible about 20 plus times a week. I have more than 200 verses marked for special attention in my Bible, and, if I counted in all of my Bibles, that would be more than 400 verses. Do you even open a Bible once a week? Once a month? Do you even have 5 favorite verses?!
#39. To: rowdee, richard9151 (#38)
Seriously, Richard......your 'holier than thou' attitude gains no conversation
#40. To: richard9151 (#0)
While Jesus was here on earth, Satan claimed to have authority over all the kingdoms of the earth. Jesus did not dispute this
#41. To: richard9151 (#36)
I am interested in learning. Period.
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