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Title: Revelation 13:4
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Published: Dec 6, 2008
Author: Various -- Bible
Post Date: 2008-12-06 10:11:49 by richard9151
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Comments: 81

Revelation 13:4

… At the same time, the Great War (World War I), as it was then called, opened the way for the United States to emerge distinctly as part of the Anglo-American World Power. For the first years of the war, public opinion keep the United States out of the conflict. But as historian Esme Wingfield-Stratford wrote; “it was all a question of whether, at this hour of supreme crisis, Britain and the United States would sink their differences in the realization of (their) overmastering unity and common trusteeship.” As events turned out, they did. In 1917, the United States contributed her resources and manpower to bolster the war effort of the staggering Allies. Thus, the seventh head, combining Britain and the United States, came out on the winning side.

The world after the war was vastly different. Satan’s earthly system, although devastated by the death stroke, revived and became more powerful than ever and so won the admiration of humans because of its recuperative power.

Historian Charles L. Mee, Jr., writes; “The collapse of the old order (caused by the first world war) was a necessary prelude to the spread of self-rule, the liberation of new nations and classes, the release of new freedom and independence.” Leading in the development of this postwar era was the seventh head of the wild beast, now healed, and with the United States of America moving into the dominant role. The dual world power took the lead in advocating both the League of Nations and the United Nations. By the year 2005, U.S. political power had led the more privileged nations in creating a higher standard of living, in fighting disease, and in advancing technology. It had even placed men on the moon. It is no wonder, therefore, that mankind in general has “followed the wild beast with admiration.”

Mankind has even gone beyond admiring the wild beast, as John next states: “And they worshipped the dragon because it gave the authority to the wild beast, and they worshipped the wild beast with the words: ‘Who is like the wild beast, and who can do battle with it?’” (Revelation 13:4) While Jesus was here on earth, Satan claimed to have authority over all the kingdoms of the earth. Jesus did not dispute this; in fact, he himself referred to Satan as the ruler of the world and refused to participate in the politics of that day. John later wrote of true Christians: “We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19; Luke 4:5-8; John 6:15; 14:30) Satan delegates power to the wild beast, and he does this on a nationalistic basis. Thus, instead of being united in bonds of goodly love, mankind has become divided by pride of tribe, race, and nation. The great majority of people worship, in effect, that part of the wild beast having authority in the land where they happen to live. Thus the whole beast gains admiration and worship.

In what sense? In the sense of putting love of country ahead of love of God. Most people love the land of their birth. As good citizens, true Christians also respect the rulers and the emblems of the country where they reside, obey the laws, and make a positive contribution to the welfare of their community and their neighbors. (Romans 13:1-7; 1 Peter 2:13-17) They cannot, however, give blind devotion to one country as against all others. “Our country, right or wrong,” is not a Christian teaching. So Christians who worship Jehovah God cannot share in giving prideful patriotic worship to any part of the wild beast, for this would amount to worshipping the dragon – the source of authority of the beast. They cannot ask admiringly: “Who is like the wild beast?” Rather, they follow the example of Michael – his name meaning “Who Is Like God?” – as they uphold Jehovah’s universal sovereignty. At God’s appointed time, Christ Jesus will do battle with the wild beast and conquer it, even as he triumphed in expelling Satan from heaven. – Revelation 12:7-9; 19:11, 19:21. ....

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#1. To: richard9151, All (#0)

While Jesus was here on earth, Satan claimed to have authority over all the kingdoms of the earth. Jesus did not dispute this; in fact, he himself referred to Satan as the ruler of the world

That's a lie. He is the ruler of this age (aion), not of the world. THe world belongs to God.

Acts 17:24

"The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands;

The rest, I wont bother with.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-12-06   10:33:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: PSUSA (#1)

That's a lie. He is the ruler of this age (aion), not of the world. THe world belongs to God.

Please be careful as to who you are calling a liar;

“The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one,” says the apostle John. (1 John 5:19)

There is a reason that Jesus Christ did not partake of politics, and that reason is the Jehovah God is permitting man to learn what happens when we do not live according to His Word. I do understand that you are very confused on this issue, but you still need to be careful with your choices of words. When you make such statements, you show no fruitage of the spirit.

“The fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control.”—Gal. 5:22, 23, NW.

richard9151  posted on  2008-12-06   14:54:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: richard9151 (#7) (Edited)

Please be careful as to who you are calling a liar;

I am calling the author a liar. It is quite deliberate.

“The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one,” does not mean that satan owns the world. It means he controls it only to the degree that GOd allows. He cannot act without Gods' permission. The book of Job, for example.

When you make such statements, you show no fruitage of the spirit.

Fruitage?

I just call a spade a spade. The person that wrote that should have known better.

But he comes across with great authority to try and make himself look like he knows what he is talking about. Just like the other wolves do, he makes assertions without backing them up.

“The fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control.”—Gal. 5:22, 23, NW.

I see nothing about tolerating lies or liars in there. Using your standards, Christ should have hugged the moneychangers instead of beating them with cords.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-12-06   15:21:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: PSUSA (#10)

But he comes across with great authority to try and make himself look like he knows what he is talking about.

Perhaps you should take your own advice, and be more careful as to what you say, until you read something completely, and understand what you are reading.

Where did you read that the author wrote that Satan OWNED the world? This is what you are arguing about, and what YOU posted in your reply;

Satan claimed to have authority over all the kingdoms of the earth.

It says nothing in there about Satan owning the world; it says exactly what is said in 1 John;

“the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one”? (1 John 5:19)

And this is exactly what Jesus Christ was referring to as well, that Satan controlled the governments of man. Or, are you going to want to argue about that as well?

richard9151  posted on  2008-12-06   15:29:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: richard9151 (#11)

Where did you read that the author wrote that Satan OWNED the world? This is what you are arguing about, and what YOU posted in your reply;

This is what the article said:

While Jesus was here on earth, Satan claimed to have authority over all the kingdoms of the earth. Jesus did not dispute this; in fact, he himself referred to Satan as the ruler of the world

This is what I said:

That's a lie. He is the ruler of this age (aion), not of the world. The world belongs to God.

Satan can only do what he is allowed to do. Job, for example. God is soverign, not Satan.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-12-06   15:51:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PSUSA (#12)

This is what I said:

That's a lie. He is the ruler of this age (aion), not of the world. The world belongs to God.

I would guess from this that someone, probably me, needs to explain to you what 'the world' is that is referred to in the Bible.

At John 3:16, 17, what “world” did God love so much, and what “world” did God send Jesus, not to judge, but to save?

In John’s account of Jesus’ life the English word “world” is translated from the Greek word kósmos, which occurs at least seventy-nine times in the original text of John’s account. Fundamentally, kósmos means “order,” that is, a constituted order, an arrangement, an ordering of things according to a certain design, an arrangement of things according to a certain pattern. I.e., governments.

I will post the entire piece so you can read it. Basically, unless you understand this, you can make no sense out of 'be in this world, but not OF this world,' or 'order of things.'

richard9151  posted on  2008-12-06   16:03:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: richard9151 (#13)

At John 3:16, 17, what “world” did God love so much, and what “world” did God send Jesus, not to judge, but to save?

In John’s account of Jesus’ life the English word “world” is translated from the Greek word kósmos, which occurs at least seventy-nine times in the original text of John’s account.

Really?

www.studylight.org/lex/gr...&book=joh&translation=str

tells it occurs 58 times in John, not "at least 79". And in just glancing thru all the times it occurs, it is translated as "world", not "Fundamentally, kósmos means “order,” that is, a constituted order, an arrangement, an ordering of things according to a certain design, an arrangement of things according to a certain pattern. I.e., governments. "

So you are now working your way towards showing that Christ did not came to save the world, like He plainly claimed He did, but only that he came to save certain people. Am I right?

PSUSA  posted on  2008-12-06   17:08:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: PSUSA (#17)

but only that he came to save certain people. Am I right?

Did I say that, or, anything like it? This is how it is stated in the Bible;

Rev. 20:12, 13: “I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. . . . They were judged individually according to their deeds.”

Both those who formerly did good things and those who formerly practiced bad things will be “judged individually according to their deeds.” What deeds? If we were to take the view that people were going to be condemned on the basis of deeds in their past life, that would be inconsistent with Romans 6:7: “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” It would also be unreasonable to resurrect people simply for them to be destroyed. So, at John 5:28, 29, Jesus was pointing ahead to the resurrection; then, in the remainder of verse 29, he was expressing the outcome after they had been uplifted to human perfection and been put on judgment.

But I will take that a step further; are you of the opinion that you know who and how Almighty God is going to judge men? Are you absolutely sure that Hitler and Stalin, not to mention the Catholic Popes, will be resurrected to everlasting life?

richard9151  posted on  2008-12-06   17:28:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: richard9151 (#21)

But I will take that a step further; are you of the opinion that you know who and how Almighty God is going to judge men? Are you absolutely sure that Hitler and Stalin, not to mention the Catholic Popes, will be resurrected to everlasting life?

All means all, except to theologians that try and explain away scriptures into fitting their personal doctrines.

God is judging His house now.

1 Peter 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

The rest get judged later.

Ah yes, the Hitler and Stalin argument. You threw in the popes too. You are the first one I have seen to include them.

Who, according to NT scripture, was the "worst sinner"? How long did it take to convert him?

And do you really think you are better than any of them? If I recall correctly, there are a few scriptures that have some things to say about pride. Break 1 law, you are guilty of all.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-12-06   18:23:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: PSUSA (#27)

Ah yes, the Hitler and Stalin argument. You threw in the popes too. You are the first one I have seen to include them.

I asked a retorical question, as to if you know what Almighty God is going to do about certain personalities. I make no judgements, as it is not in my jurisdiction; NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY!!

And the material I posted clearly states that everyone will be resurrected, and no one knows what decisions Almighty God is going to make as to if, why, when, or not, and that includes the Christ Jesus.

The sad fact is that all you want to do is pick apart to start an argument instead of holding a beneficial discussion.

richard9151  posted on  2008-12-06   18:31:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: richard9151 (#29)

I asked a retorical question, as to if you know what Almighty God is going to do about certain personalities. I make no judgements, as it is not in my jurisdiction; NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY!!

I said he was going to judge them, Hitler, Stalin, popes, you, me, everyone.

You didnt ask a "rhetorical question", you tried to set a trap. You think that by asking about what you think of as extremely evil people will change anything? Who is it that makes the vessels of honor and dishonor? WHo makes peace and creates evil? God does it all, if you believe the scriptures.

Don't you know that we will judge angels? It is our job to judge righteous judgment.

You said:

"And the material I posted clearly states that everyone will be resurrected, and no one knows what decisions Almighty God is going to make as to if, why, when, or not, and that includes the Christ Jesus. "

If why when or not? Referring to what? Are you referring to "sentencing"? If so, David said that he would rather be judged my God rather than man. And David was no angel.

Then you said:

"The sad fact is that all you want to do is pick apart to start an argument instead of holding a beneficial discussion. "

You call it picking apart. I call it exposing lies. You seem to be upset that I am not just going along with what you are teaching, and that is not "beneficial" to you.

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PSUSA  posted on  2008-12-06   19:01:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#32. To: PSUSA (#31)

Where did you read that the author wrote that Satan OWNED the world? This is what you are arguing about, and what YOU posted in your reply;

Satan claimed to have authority over all the kingdoms of the earth.

You are nothing but a typical debater who, if he loses a point, simply ignores that and goes on the attack about something else, and I am not going to play that game. The above is where we were at, and you brought in the other. I then asked you if you thought, etc., a retorical question.

No traps. No nonsense. And, that was my question. Everything else I sent came directly from the official writings of the Jehovah's Witnesses, and is Scripturally sound.

And then you want to add; and that is not "beneficial" to you.

Are you waiting for me to pass the collection plate? In what way is it beneficial to me? Very, very strange how you add 2 and 2 to get 3.

richard9151  posted on  2008-12-06 19:16:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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