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Editorial
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Title: Diversity in Israel: Lessons for the United States
Source: The Brookings Institution
URL Source: http://www.brookings.edu/articles/2002/winter_middleeast_litan.aspx
Published: Dec 1, 2002
Author: Robert E. Litan
Post Date: 2008-12-06 10:51:33 by Googolplex
Keywords: Diversity, Israel, jewish, US
Views: 903
Comments: 65

As the United States copes with large immigration flows and increasing diversity in these highly uncertain times, it may want to look to an unusual model country—Israel—for some fresh ideas about taking full advantage of diversity.

In Israel, the majority of the population, or their parents, were born in other countries. Though most Israeli immigrants are Jewish, they are extraordinarily disparate in their origins and cultures. Not all Israelis are immigrants. Roughly one million people, many of whom are Arabs of Muslim faith, come from families who lived in Israel before it was formally declared a state in 1948. Learning to live with, accommodate, and respect the deep divides among them has been a challenge to Israel's people.

The nation's experiment in "Jewish pluralism" has been remarkably successful, particularly given the extraordinary challenges facing the nation from outside its borders. Its parallel experiment in Arab-Jewish pluralism has been notably less successful. Nonetheless, Israel has managed to develop, at least among its highly diverse Jewish majority, a thriving, pluralistic democracy and a strong economy. And it has achieved a relatively high standard of living for most of its people—even for Israeli Arabs, if one compares them with their Palestinian, Egyptian, and Jordanian neighbors. Its success should therefore attract interest from other pluralistic societies that also confront challenges to continued social cohesion.

Israel's Divisions

One set of divisions within Israel is that between segments of the Jewish majority&151;between longer-term residents and more recent arrivals, between secular and religious Jews, between Jews of vastly different cultural and national backgrounds.

Although Israel was founded as a homeland for Jews and although key features of Israeli civil law—marriage, divorce, and burial—are governed by religious norms, most Jewish Israelis are not religious in the sense of regularly observing Jewish rituals. Many of the nation's one million Russian immigrants are not Jewish at all. At the other extreme, some 10 percent of Israel's people, the Haredi group, are deeply religious. The ritually observant Haredim wear distinctive clothing, and Haredi men often do not work, instead studying religious texts throughout the week. They are also exempt from military service. Tensions between the Haredi and secular Jews sometimes run high.The Shinui Party, headed for extinction not long ago, picked up an impressive six seats in the Knesset in 1999 elections largely on the basis of its campaign slogan, "Keep the Haredi from taking over the country."

Another divide in Israel is that between Ashkenazi Jews (those of European and American heritage) and Sephardi Jews (those of Asian-African background). For much of the state's existence, the wealthier, better educated Ashkenazim have dominated its economic and political institutions through the Labour party. The Ashkenazi hold on the country has been weakening, however, as disaffected Sephardim allied themselves first with the Likud party in 1977 and more recently with the Sephardi-Haredi party, Shas. During the 1950s, the two groups had rough numerical parity. By the 1960s, higher birth rates among Sephardim tilted the balance in their favor. Recent immigration from the former Soviet Union has restored rough equilibrium between the two ethnic groups.

Israel's second, more pressing challenge regarding diversity is to give Arab citizens sufficient stake in the society that they will not revolt and find common cause with Israel's external enemies or aggravate tensions, already at hair-trigger level, with the Palestinians. Israel's Arab minority has lived apart from and in an uneasy truce with Israel's other citizens. Though Israel has not treated its Arab minority as fairly or as equitably as it might have, even here Israel's experience may provide a beacon of hope to countries with much less pressing challenges. After all, security issues aside—for Arab citizens have strong and understandable emotional ties with the Arab countries surrounding Israel—Israeli authorities have made at least some attempt to integrate Israeli Arabs into the wider society. Until 1966, Arab citizens lived under military rule in their own separate towns, which they could not leave without special permits. When the military administration was abolished, Arabs began moving out of farming and into jobs in manufacturing and construction, allowing the two peoples to begin to mix in commercial activity, though they remained very much apart in social and cultural affairs. The economic position of the Arab population has improved, but it still falls well short of that of Jewish citizens. Arab political parties have gained influence in the Knesset and are now critical voting blocs in the continuing struggle for power between Likud and Labour.

Immigrant Absorption Programs

Unlike immigrants to other developed countries, who must apply separately for citizenship, immigrants to Israel automatically become citizens. Israel thus has every incentive to integrate them socially, culturally, and linguistically. And it does just that. Upon their arrival in Israel, immigrants are offered language training, housing, job search assistance, and, for their first several months, economic support.

From its founding as a state, Israel has also required military service—not just for the young or for men only (though women serve for a shorter time and largely in noncombat positions). The primary goal is national security, but the collateral benefits have been considerable. The military has become the central means of imparting Israeli values and culture, as well as the Hebrew language, to Jewish immigrants who pour into the country. So strong are the ties formed in the Army that those who do not serve or are exempted from serving (in the case of Israeli Arabs, for example) are in most cases effectively locked out of the upper reaches of Israeli business and society.

A recent weakening in the military service requirement has entailed a loss of some social "glue." Today less than 60 percent of Israeli men are drafted. As more citizens are exempted from service, those who serve bear a growing resentment toward those who do not, especially the Haredi sector.

Lessons for the United States

The surge of immigration to the United States over the past several decades may offer unprecedented challenges to America's traditional respect for pluralism and tolerance. Although the September terrorist attacks have generated a strong wave of national unity and patriotism, neither the public nor political leaders should take such cohesion for granted indefinitely. If one lesson stands out from Israeli immigration policy, it is this: nations that are serious about wanting more immigrants but nonetheless worried about their socioeconomic ability to absorb them can minimize potential tensions though comprehensive immigrant absorption programs.

The U.S. government may hesitate to adopt such policies to avoid the charge that it is unfairly favoring new arrivals over natives with low living standards. Nevertheless, as the United States takes in more immigrants—which it will continue to do notwithstanding the events of September—it may want to consider moving toward more comprehensive absorption policies.

At a minimum, government could give more effort to ensuring that immigrants learn English. Language instruction, funded by Washington, could be delivered directly by state and local governments or indirectly by private groups through vouchers. Learning English should not be viewed as punishment, but instead as acquiring an essential tool for functioning in a new society. For a nation receiving immigrants from all over the globe, teaching all students in English would appear to be critical to assuring that as they become adults, all citizens have a minimum of shared experience and knowledge to continue functioning in a cohesive, but pluralistic, society. And because being able to speak and write in English is essential for all but low-skilled jobs, English training would help improve the living standards of many low-income immigrants.

Immigrants seeking citizenship should know more than just their new home country's language. They must understand its social mores, its history, its government. Nations now generally require applicants for citizenship to pass a rudimentary test of such knowledge, but here too, more instruction could be offered. If nations want their new arrivals to become better integrated with their societies, they must give them a core of knowledge to do that. In the United States immigrants are left to acquire such information on their own. There is little government support for teaching it, except for the children of illegal immigrants, who are entitled to attend primary and secondary school, but not to attend college here without a student or work visa.

Just as with language instruction, the government could provide the rough equivalent of high school civics courses, either directly or indirectly, to all immigrants who seek citizenship. Special night programs could be offered to immigrants who are busy earning a living each day—as well as to natives already in the work force who also want to upgrade their skills by returning to school.

Compulsory Service

Israel's experience also illustrates the value of a service requirement for all residents approaching maturity. Other developed countries, such as Switzerland and Germany, also require their male high school graduates to serve for a time in the military. The terrorist attack on September 11 may make mandatory service more politically palatable to Americans than it would otherwise have been.

Compulsory service brings together people from all walks of life during crucial formative years and puts them in a common environment where they have no choice but to get along with each other. It also helps instill a sense of obligation to the larger society.

Compulsory service need not mean military service. It can also take the form of community service (assisting the disadvantaged, serving as teacher's aides, and the like) in a much expanded version of the AmeriCorps program. U.S. society has already made some movement in this direction. Many high schools now require all students to perform "community service" during their years in high school. A national universal service requirement would be considerably more demanding. It would involve something like a year of service and would take place in a group setting. Those serving in the civilian program would live away from home, in dormitory settings, much like those who now serve in the military. Moreover, unlike many current community service programs in which students from moderate and higher income families deliver services to local residents of the same socioeconomic status, the program should aim to deliver benefits to more disadvantaged populations.

For many people, their year in compulsory service may be the only time in their lives where they mix for an extended time and on an equal footing with others from very different backgrounds. Although nonmilitary service may be less intense than serving in the armed forces, it could help young Americans develop a deeper understanding and appreciation for others at a time in their lives—just after high school (or college or graduate school) graduation—when their adult personalities are forming and their future career choices may be made.

Indeed, the relative lack of diversity in many American public schools strengthens the case for compulsory service. Inner-city public schools in many large metropolitan areas are populated predominantly by African-American and other minority students, while suburban schools enroll students from upper middle-class and, often, white families. Even in colleges where students may come from many different backgrounds, young people do not necessarily rub shoulders with others different from themselves. In any event, the college environment tends to be competitive and to reward individual performance rather than group or cooperative endeavors.

Mandatory service would surely arouse strong opposition. Some would criticize its large potential for make-work, others its curtailment of individual freedom. Organized labor may object that those serving in the program would perform functions now undertaken by paid workers. Furthermore, service would involve public costs—roughly $25 billion annually (some 2.5 million high school graduates a year times $10,000 in annual support costs), according to one estimate. The young men and women in service would also incur costs by delaying for one year their entry either into college or into the labor force, which would reduce (modestly) their lifetime incomes.

Accordingly, a more politically palatable alternative may be a substantial expansion of the AmeriCorps program, as Senator John McCain has proposed. Initially an opponent of AmeriCorps, McCain has since praised its successes and suggested that the nation build on them. His proposal contemplates an expanded program in which volunteers from various socio-economic backgrounds live together in dormitories to build esprit de corps.

Looking Ahead

The demographic changes that lie ahead for the United States will pose a stiff test to the nation's commitment to pluralism and social cohesion. As we look for ways to meet this challenge, political leaders and voters could profit from learning how other societies have confronted similar challenges. Israel's experience, perhaps surprisingly, may offer exactly the kind of wisdom we may all be seeking.

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#1. To: Googolplex (#0)

comprehensive immigrant absorption programs

America used to do this, but it is now considered racist and ethnocentric and not in compliance with the goal of a multicultural society.

mirage  posted on  2008-12-06   10:58:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mirage (#1)

You should realize by now that illegal hispanic (mexican) immigration and subsequent blanket amnesty is designed to further inflate the voter population of Diversity.

Hispanics and latinos are enumerated members of Diversity, the American secular victim cult.

www.mindexchange.com/diversity. htm

An illegal immigrant absorption program would be costly, and Diversity mavens really only care that illegal immigrants reliably trade their vote for legal privileges that are advertised in their mass media outlets.

As far as Diversity mavens are concerned, a good citizen should vote for Diversity people and policies, obey federal laws, pay taxes, and sign-up for selective service.

Googolplex  posted on  2008-12-09   7:56:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Googolplex (#12)

You should realize by now that illegal hispanic (mexican) immigration and subsequent blanket amnesty is designed to further inflate the voter population of Diversity.

There is more to it than just that....

mirage  posted on  2008-12-09   10:18:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mirage (#13) (Edited)

There is more to it than just that....

The ruling class is Diversity, both in the US and Israel.

Diversity leaders stay in power specifically because of their symbiotic relationship with the majority of voters.

Diversity leaders gets what they want from the relationship, which is access to tax money, unlimited law-making power, and undue control of powerful military and police forces.

Diversity rank-and-file (illegal aliens, etc...) get what they want from the relationship, which is undue legal privileges guaranteed by big government.

Blanket amnesty is just one of the undue legal privileges bestowed on hispanics from Mexico.

The unskilled workers from Mexico don't substantially build the US economy. The world market is high technology, and tomato pickers don't have the skills to make high value products. Illegal aliens are reduced to performing labor that would be better performed by high technology automated machinery. The US would be using more high technology machinery too, if illegal and unskilled alien labor wasn't so cheap and plentiful.

Germany and Japan are superior to the US when it comes to exploiting automation. They are superior not because their people are smarter, but because they are not nearly as overwhelmed and consumed by the politics of Diversity (secular victim cultism). Diversity dominates both the US and Israel.

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Googolplex  posted on  2008-12-09   12:06:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Googolplex (#14)

The ruling class is Diversity, both in the US and Israel.

What 'class' is 'Diversity'?

mirage  posted on  2008-12-09   21:58:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: mirage (#15) (Edited)

What 'class' is 'Diversity'?

Diversity is the victim class.

Victim-Oppressed-Disadvantaged-Underprivileged...same thing, different names.

www.mindexchange.com/diversity. htm

Diversity people are the vast majority of voters, both in the US and Israel.

The oppressor class, the antagonist of the victim class, is related to the victim class in the following way....

Victim Class are oppressed by the Oppressor Class

women are oppressed by men

jewish are oppressed by gentile

alternate lifestyle are oppressed by straight

african american are oppressed by white

asian are oppressed by occidental

disabled are oppressed by able bodied

native american are oppressed by settler

hispanic & latino are oppressed by gringo

When all of the oppressor subclass attributes are combined into a single embodiment, a detailed description of the so-called white supremacist is uncovered...

male-gentile-straight-white-occidental-able bodied-settler-gringo

In the past, i've repeated these facts ad nauseum, and you are the first person here who has asked an intelligent question about this subject.

You are a rare bird.

Congratulations!

Learn more about Diversity from your local corporate or government Diversity focal point.

www.diversitydtg.com/

Googolplex  posted on  2008-12-10   6:41:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Googolplex (#16)

So, what you are saying is that everyone is a victim, that the 'oppressor' is naught but a myth and we're all living in a fantasy-land, right?

mirage  posted on  2008-12-10   10:35:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mirage (#17) (Edited)

I'm curious.

How did you draw the conclusion that Diversity in the US....

www.mindexchange.com/diversity. htm

(attention: click link with mouse pointer for important info)

where US Diversity = {women + african americans + judaics + GLBT + hispanics + latinos + disabled + native americans + asians}

is "everyone" in the US?

Is this some kind of new math taught in public schools?

Why do you believe so-called white supremacists don't exist inside the US?

How did you draw the conclusion that Diversity in Israel....

where Israeli Diversity = {judaics}

is "everyone" in Israel?

Why do you believe gentiles don't exist inside Israel?

Why don't you believe that so-called white supremacist exist in the US, and that gentiles exist in Israel, and are real people too?

Are you claiming that white supremacists don't oppress Diversity people in the US? Why?

Are you claiming that gentiles don't oppress judaics in Israel? Why?

A bonus question:

Who is the primary beneficiary of US federal sexual harrrassment law, federal abortion law, affirmative action, federal Title X law, federal title IX law, male-only selective service registration, AIDS funding & research, dead-beat father law, divorce law, social security, medicare, public housing, AFDC, universal health care, etc?

Here's a hint...they're the majority faction of the US Diversity cult.

Googolplex  posted on  2008-12-10   13:31:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Googolplex (#18)

Here is your answer:

In everyone's background there is an Oppressed People.

Think about it for a moment.

mirage  posted on  2008-12-10   21:18:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mirage (#19) (Edited)

Here is your answer:

In everyone's background there is an Oppressed People.

Think about it for a moment.

American-style Diversity noticably attacks the freedom of so-called white supremacists. Israeli-style Diversity noticeably attacks the freedom of gentiles. In fact, the so-called white supremacist inside the US is the political equivalent of a gentile inside Israel. We all know how well Israel dis-respects gentiles in Israel, so that trend doesn't bode well for so-called white supremacists inside the US.

How does the Diversity scheme of exclusion and demonization of so-called white supremacists in the US, and gentiles in Israel, necessarily include "everyone", as you claim? The correct answer is Diversity doesn't respect everyone, but that doesn't stop you from claiming it. In fact, Diversity requires something to demonize, in order to make it appear superficially rational.

Your US-style cult ideology pre-judges all white-male-straight-non-hispanic- able bodied-gentiles to be evil, and relegates them to enforced slavery and servitude to your cult ideology. Their enslavement and servitude is true freedom for you and your fellow cult members, right?

Perhaps you should consider taking responsibility for the consequences of your peculiar cult ideology, hmmmm? Your cult ideology leads to big government policies, such as totalitarian democracy, and government policies that grant undue legal favors serving a peculiar fantasy inside the head of a peculiar group of cowardly people. Your ideology leads not only to domestic empire building, but also foreign empire building, and a compelling need to impose your big government ideology on other nations. That's the nature of big government fantasies such as your peculiar cult ideology; they always seek and require greater dominance.

Your good buddy, George W Bush, is a bonafide member of your peculiar cult, and yet your cult plays magician tricks when it comes to taking responsibility for his cult-favoring policies. Nation building is a very, very real cult policy. To avoid resonsibility, your cult media mouthpieces point to idiotic christian zionists as the clueless culprits pushing policies to democratize and secularize regimes that are hostile to cult leaders. I know better who is the real culprit. You should know better too, but recognizing that wouldn't serve your finely cultivated victim neurosis, would it?

Googolplex  posted on  2008-12-11   7:12:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Googolplex (#20)

You make a false claim that I'm a diversity worshipper.

What I am doing is analyzing it and noting that it fails as a philosophy because the majority of white people in the US have "minority and victim blood" in them.

How many white people can claim an American Indian or Jewish ancestor? How about an Irish ancestor? Potato Famine anyone?

Most of them.

Ponder that for a while.

mirage  posted on  2008-12-11   11:15:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: mirage (#26) (Edited)

You make a false claim that I'm a diversity worshipper.

What I am doing is analyzing it and noting that it fails as a philosophy because the majority of white people in the US have "minority and victim blood" in them.

How many white people can claim an American Indian or Jewish ancestor? How about an Irish ancestor? Potato Famine anyone?

Most of them.

Ponder that for a while.

The thread title is about Diversity.

The subject is Diversity, a dominant political pressure group, both in the US and Israel.

The thread is not about how all ethnic groups or racial groups, or how both genders are bonafide victims.

The thread is NOT about who or what has been victimized throughout history.

Diversity is VERY, VERY, VERY specific about what groups are officially recognized victims in a society. Diversity is not a fuzzy-wuzzy concept, as you appear to conceive it. Diversity status of an individual is defined in legal terminology, with objective standards and processes for certification.

White Irish ARE NOT officially recognized victims in the US or Israel. When I say official, I mean big government, codified in big government laws.

A jewish ancestor does not make someone a judaic. A certified judaic is someone that is formally recognized by one of the 3 major rabbinates(orthodox, conservative, reformed). A person with native american ancestry is not necesarily an American indian according to the federal government. Indian tribes apportion tribal royalties based on the percentage of indian blood lineage.

The link below explains some of the standards that the federales impose on businesses to certify official Diversity status.....

www.mwbe.com/cert/certificatio n.htm

By inference, Diversity identifies the so-called white supremacist as the evil adversary of Diversity people in the US, and the gentile as the evil adversary of Diversity people in Israel.

Diversity does not include everyone, as you appear to have previously claimed.

In fact, Diversity REQUIRES a demonized group for success, to make it appear superficially rational. The demonized group in the US is the so-called white supremacist. The demonized group in Israel is the gentile.

Googolplex  posted on  2008-12-13   11:36:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Googolplex (#30)

The thread is NOT about who or what has been victimized throughout history.

And yet that is how it is used. Funny that, isn't it?

mirage  posted on  2008-12-13   20:48:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: mirage (#35) (Edited)

And yet that is how it is used. Funny that, isn't it?

If everyone is a victim, as you continue to claim, how can there ever be a bad guy, an oppressor?

The reality of Diversity, a reality which you have a hard time admitting, is that Diversity REQUIRES a bad-guy, a non-victim, an oppressor, a demon, a source of evil, etc.

The US bad-guy is the so-called white supremacist....never presumed to be a victim, always presumed to be an oppressor of Diversity. Diversity is always presumed to be a victim of the white supremacist.

The Israeli bad-guy is the gentile ...never presumed to be a victim, always presumed to be an oppressor of judaics. Judaics are always presumed to be a victim of gentiles.

In Israeli politics, the Israeli gentile is respected the same as a farmer respects an animal.

The governmental policies of Israel will eventually migrate to the US, a reality that many cannot seem to comprehend.

Policy migration from Israel to the US means that the so-called white supremacist in the US will get or eventually get all of the BS treatment that Israel reserves for its gentile population....unwarranted detentions & incarcerations, targeted assassinations, discrimination, torture, ghetto- ization, slavery, etc.

Randy Weaver learned about this fact the hard way.

Diversity is the philosphical source of all the US-led wars after it was informally implemented as a national policy by FDR. Diversity was formalized as a national policy by JFK. The state of Israel implemented Diversity policy at its inception, from the beginning of its existence.

Googolplex  posted on  2008-12-14   13:25:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Googolplex (#36)

If everyone is a victim, as you continue to claim, how can there ever be a bad guy, an oppressor?

That's the funny part of it. There really isn't; its a bogeyman that is held up through use of propaganda.

mirage  posted on  2008-12-14   15:19:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: mirage (#38)

That's the funny part of it. There really isn't; its a bogeyman that is held up through use of propaganda.

Who are the funny people that generate Diversity propaganda?

What is the pecking order of Diversity?

Obviously, the author of the title thread is a Diversity propagandist.

What is the profile of the author?

Googolplex  posted on  2008-12-15   7:36:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Googolplex (#42)

Who are the funny people that generate Diversity propaganda?

Around these parts, it would be people who owe their jobs to diversity policies and harbor 'historic grievances'.

mirage  posted on  2008-12-15   9:30:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: mirage, bush_is_ a_ moonie (#43) (Edited)

In a personal quest for nirvana, BIAM has discovered that there is a pecking order in Israel for judaics under Israeli-style Diversity.

BIAM has discovered that Ashkenazim are the top bananas in Israel, and Sephardic judaics are something less than a top banana under Israeli Diversity. However, BIAM doesn't seem to recognize that Sephardic are not considered an evil oppressor in Israel, in the same way as an Israeli gentile.

There is an important pecking order to Diversity, both in the US and Israel.

Discovering the pecking order of Diversity can help confused people to discover the underlying philosophy behind domestic policies and foreign policies.

Some people are not interested in exploring the pecking order of Diversity, because they know the answer already, and are exhausted from the search.

I would like to believe that anyone interested in the underlying philosophy that guides domestic and foreign policies of the US and Israel would be interested in the pecking order of Diversity.

What do you suppose is the pecking order of Diversity in the US?

Googolplex  posted on  2008-12-15   12:40:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Googolplex (#44)

What do you suppose is the pecking order of Diversity in the US?

Lawyers are on top.

Everyone else follows.

mirage  posted on  2008-12-15   23:23:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: mirage (#45)

Are you claiming that lawyers are professional victims, calling themselves Diversity?

It would be more accurate to claim that lawyers are professional profiteers from the litigation of law.

Electing a professional lawyer to a big government law-making position is a lot like trusting a kid in a candy store....unbelievable potential for mischief and self indulgence.

Who are the Diversity (professional victim) lawyers in the US congress and senate?

Who are the Diversity (professional victim) lawyers in the Obama administration?

Googolplex  posted on  2008-12-17   7:33:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Googolplex (#46)

It would be more accurate to claim that lawyers are professional profiteers from the litigation of law.

Which puts them on top.

mirage  posted on  2008-12-17   9:32:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mirage (#47)

Which puts them on top.

There's more to life and big government than just money to be made. Money is a form of freedom, but money is not the only kind of freedom that is desirable.

Freedom from fear and oppression is also desirable. That is where extreme coercive force is more useful to people, in particular people that are always fearful and feel persecuted. Coercive force is coveted, and government provides powerful police forces and military force, that can be made useful to some only if influenced and directed like an attack dog.

Lawyers aren't the only group that value powerful government forces to get their way. Government is force, as George Washington accurately stated, and people that can exert undue influence on big government can also direct powerful government forces.

You'll find that the top echelons of Diversity primarily covet influence of big government police and military forces, versus coveting mere money.

The leaders of Diversity are populated with people that some might consider to be sissies, sissies that prefer proxy forces to do their dirty work.

The top echelons of Diversity have demonstrated that they consider it smart to get their enemies to attack each other. Some people haved called them false flag operations. False flag is definitely a smart strategy, but only for the instigator, not the combatants.

Googolplex  posted on  2008-12-17   17:31:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Googolplex (#48)

There's more to life and big government than just money to be made.

Not if you talk to the ones on top.

mirage  posted on  2008-12-17   23:36:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: mirage (#49)

There's more to life and big government than just money to be made. Not if you talk to the ones on top.

Are you claiming that only lawyers crave money and government power?

Fiat money has no market value without big government agencies and forces to collect it as a tax on productivity. Thus, the leaders of Diversity require big government force to maintain the market value of their money.

The rank-and-file of Diversity crave both security and money.

Israel craves both money and security.

Big government offers Diversity both big money and big security.

The rank-and-file of both US and Israeli Diversity is composed of mostly non- lawyers. The relationship between Diversity cult leaders and Diversity rank-and- file is symbiotic.

Googolplex  posted on  2008-12-18   1:34:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Googolplex (#50)

Are you claiming that only lawyers crave money and government power?

You don't understand human nature very well.

Money, Sex, and Power are the three big drivers. Most big-time lawyers have the money and the sex by the time they have their first big case (see: John Edwards) and after that comes the power.

To get the power, they use Government Funding (hence Government power) to buy off the masses.

It is the current system. How many non-lawyers are in Congress?

mirage  posted on  2008-12-19   9:41:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: mirage (#51) (Edited)

Not everyone is motivated to vote or behave based on a need to satisfy an addiction to some combination of the seven deadly sins.

Even if an electoral majority were motivated to vote as such, they should not be indulged by law, or empowered by a totalitarian national government.

Regarding base motivations, it would be more honest to simply speak for yourself, instead of claiming to understand the motivations of most people in a society, or the motivations of all lawyers.

Baby-Bush is not a professional lawyer, and neither is Dick Cheney. Both are Diversity devotees, and both have used big government power to cater to Diversity cult preferences.

I'll admit that lawyers can be productive in a society, but only when they are barred from holding public office. The conflict of interest that professional lawyers bring to any national public office is serious enough that barring them from national public office should be a constitutional amendment.

Googolplex  posted on  2008-12-19   16:35:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#53. To: Googolplex (#52)

Regarding base motivations, it would be more honest to simply speak for yourself, instead of claiming to understand the motivations of most people in a society, or the motivations of all lawyers.

This one is documented fact. Sex, Money, Power.

mirage  posted on  2008-12-20 11:30:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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