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Title: US 2 States Away From A Constitutional Convention
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American Policy Center
URL Source: http://<http://cts.vresp.com/c ... e4/a41a9803a8/ea53338d90>
Published: Dec 11, 2008
Author: APC Authored
Post Date: 2008-12-11 01:18:47 by ReallyOrnery
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Danger - 2 States From Constitutional Convention 12-10-8 Extremely Urgent Action Alert! U.S. Two States Away from Constitutional Convention This is the most urgent, most important action alert the American Policy Center has ever issued! The Ohio state legislature is expected to vote today, Wednesday, Dec. 10th, to call for a Constitutional Convention (Con Con). If Ohio calls for a Con Con only one more state need do so and Congress will have no choice but to convene a Convention, throwing our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights up for grabs. Ohio's vote today poses a grave threat to the U.S. Constitution. Please immediately call the Ohio lawmakers listed below. ACT FAST - time is of the essence! I apologize! This malignancy most foul remained undetected by our radar until a good friend brought it to our attention yesterday. The hour is late, but WE MUST TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION! It does not matter where you live. Ohio's vote today endangers everyone in every state in the Union, so we must pressure Ohio lawmakers to discard this disastrous legislative effort. Thirty-two (32) other states have already called for a Con Con (allegedly to add a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution). 34 states are all that is required, and then Congress MUST convene a Convention. The U.S. Constitution places no restriction on the purposes for which the states can call for a Convention. If Ohio votes to call a Con Con, for whatever purpose, the United States will be only one state away from total destruction. And it's a safe bet that those who hate this nation, and all She stands for, are waiting to pounce upon this opportunity to re-write our Constitution. We dare slumber no longer; we must take immediate action to preserve this nation! Certainly all loyal Americans want government constrained by a balanced budget. But calling a Con Con risks a revolutionary change in our form of government. The ultimate outcome will likely be a new constitution; one that would possibly eliminate the Article 1 restriction to the coinage of real money or even eliminate gun or property rights. So what may look like a good idea to the legislators driving this effort - all Republicans - will certainly make them prey to the law of unintended consequences - at the very least insuring the U.S. will never have a balanced budget - while destroying what vestiges of liberty the government still allows. You may have heard that some of those 32 states have voted to rescind their calls. This is true. However, under Article V of the Constitution, Congress must call a Constitutional Convention whenever 2/3 (or 34) of the states apply. The Constitution makes no provision for rescission. We've been told advocates of the convention are waiting to capture just two more states - Ohio, and one other. They can then challenge the other states' rescissions in the courts while going ahead with the Convention. Congress alone then decides whether state legislatures or state conventions ratify proposed amendments. You may have heard the states can control the subject of any convention. In truth no restrictive language from any state can legally limit the scope or outcome of a Convention! Once a Convention is called Congress determines how the delegates to the Convention are chosen. Once chosen, those Convention delegates possess more power than the U.S. Congress itself; if it were not so they would not be able to change the U.S. Constitution! We have not had a Constitutional Convention since 1787. That Convention was called to make small changes in the Articles of Confederation. As a point of fact, several states first passed resolutions requiring their delegates discuss amendments to the Articles ONLY, forbidding even discussion of foundational changes. However, following the delegates' first agreement that their meetings be in secret, their second act was to agree to debate those state restrictions and to declare the Articles of Confederation NULL AND VOID! They also changed the ratification process, reducing the required states' approval from 100% to 75%. There is no reason to believe a contemporary Con Con wouldn't further "modify" Article V restrictions to suit its purpose. As former Chief Justice Warren Burger said in a letter written to Phyllis Schlafly, President of Eagle Forum: "...there is no effective way to limit or muzzle the actions of a Constitutional Convention. The convention could make its own rules and set its own agenda. Congress might try to limit the convention to one amendment or to one issue, but there is no way to assure that the convention would obey. After a convention is convened, it will be too late to stop the convention if we don't like its agenda. The meeting in 1787 ignored the limit placed by the confederation Congress..." (emphasis mine) We were blessed in 1787; the Con Con delegates were the leaders of a freedom movement that had just cleansed this land of tyranny. Today's corrupt politicians and judges would like nothing better than the ability to legally ignore the Constitution - to modify its "problematic" provisions to reflect the philosophical and socials mores of our contemporary society. The majority of U.S. voters just elected a dedicated leftist as President. Republicans are at their weakest right now! This is a horrible time to try such a crazy scheme. We cannot control the debate right now! Don't for one second doubt that delegates to a Con Con wouldn't revise the 1st Amendment into a government-controlled privilege, replace the 2nd Amendment with a "collective" right to self-defense, and abolish the 4th, 5th, and 10th Amendments, and the rest of the Bill of Rights. Additions could include the non-existent Separation of Church and State, the "right" to abortion and euthanasia, and much, much more. Our uniquely and purely American concept of individual rights, endowed by our Creator, would be quickly set aside as an anachronistic relic of a bygone era; replaced by new "collective" rights, awarded and enforced by government for the "common good". The problems our nation faces are not a result of deficiencies in our Constitution; rather, they are the direct result of our disregard for that divinely-inspired document of liberty. There is no challenge faced by this nation that cannot be solved either by enforcing existing law, or in limited cases, by writing new law. We do not need, AND MUST NOT RISK THE LIBERTY OF THE UNITED STATES with, a Constitutional Convention! Ohio must not vote for a Con Con! We cannot control the debate! And state #34 is likely sitting silently in the wings, ready to act with lightning speed, sealing the fate of our once great nation before we can prevent it. Stop the Ohio bill and we can stop the Constitutional Convention. ACTION TO TAKE We need only stop the House bill, HJR8, sponsored by Representative Louis Blessing, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee (there is a Senate bill too). 1. Call Chairman Blessing's office and tell his staff you oppose a Constitutional Convention and you want this process stopped. Tell them this is the most dangerous time ever to call for such a convention. Tell them no one can control the debate or outcome of a Con Con. Representative Louis Blessing Phone: (614) 466-9091 Fax: (614) 719-3583 Email: district29@ohr.state.oh.us 2. Call Representative Bill Batchelder. He is a very good man. I've known him for years. But he has been misled on this issue. The word is he is wavering. Your calls can convince him to withdraw his support. That can kill this bill. Representative Bill Batchelder Phone: (614) 466-8140 Fax: (614) 719-3969 Email: district69@ohr.state.oh.us 3. It is URGENT that you make your calls right now. The bill could be voted on as early as this afternoon (Wednesday). I'm so sorry for this late notice. We just found out about this last night. Please get this message out far and wide. This task requires our very best effort! E-mail and call your friends, family and neighbors. Network anywhere and everywhere possible. If you know someone who never takes action, encourage them to break that habit this one time. Our Constitution is under assault! Visit the American Policy Center website SEND THIS MESSAGE TO AT LEAST TEN MORE PEOPLE! APC is now offering you a quick and easy way to multiply your efforts and help win more battles! Simply click here to send this APC Action Alert to up to TEN of your friends! It¢s fast, it¢s easy and most of all, it¢s extremely effective in KILLING OPPRESSIVE POLICIES!
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#1. To: ReallyOrnery, *Shooters*, *libertarians*, *Jack-Booted Thugs*, *Humor-Weird News*, *Ron Paul for President 2008*, *Agriculture-Environment* (#0)
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Americans used to roar like lions for liberty. Now they bleat like sheep for security We need a convention. VOTE YES! That way we can really have some turmoil....
It is now time for Atlas to shrug.
The Constitution is ignored anyway. Very few care about this nation anymore or the elite would be hanging now for 9/11.
God is always good!
Maybe a new constitution would be a good thing. 1) It would eliminate all so-called "case law", so lawyers and judges will have to start from scratch and won't be able to quote bogus cases from the past in their decisions. They'd instead have to base their decisions on the actual constitution wording alone. 2) It could spark interest among the general public in what makes a good constitution -- something they have absolutely no interest or knowledge now. 3) The present Constitution is truly dead already, so what is there to lose? Clinging to some illusion that the bill of rights and the original document mean anything is a farce.
They delayed the vote. Excerpt: Here are some of the possible results of a “run away” article 5 convention as described of by U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren Burger: 1. Total civilian disarmament. 2. Socialization of industry. 3. Confiscation of private property. 4. Torture of citizens. 5. Suppression of the Press and of Religion If you started this day unaware of the reasons and legal arguments of a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court that talks of a “run away” convention and, If you started this day unaware that a totally different ratification process than what you might expect is perfectly lawful and consistent with legal precedent, and If you started this day unaware that if a article 5 convention is called in the next two years, Nancy Pelosi and her team would get to choose how delegates are selected, how they are paid, where the convention would be held and if the convention were to be held in public or in secret. And, If you started today unaware that Ohio would be the 33rd state in the history of the republic to call for the convention and that 34 is the magic number to forcibly trigger Congress to call the convention. Then caution is urged. If any or all of these facts were unknown to you, please do not risk giving Congress a blank check without doing all the research. We are talking about possible political suicide to the conservative movement. This move must be carefully examined, not hurried through a December session without scrutiny. One point of irony should not be missed in this process. If Congress actually followed the Constitution, we would have a balanced budget and there would be no need for this committee to consider this resolution. What makes anyone think Congress would be limited by new rules if it does not follow the existing ones? END
FUCK A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. THOSE ASSHOLES ARE EVIL AND AREN'T UP TO THE TASK.
Sure these would be possible results, as would adoption of the Chinese constitution. Anything could happen. That's waaaay bad. Question: Would the new constitution require approval of 3/4's of the states? Yes, yes. We know all that. But they ignore it in part because it's just a 220 year old display ornament, not a legal document. You mention a conservative movement. What is that? What good is that? This country is going down the rathole under present circumstances and the millions of people are asleep and refuse to wake up. Do you see a light at the end of the tunnel when the the Republic is returned to its former glory? I don't. Sometimes, to truly wake people up, you have to make the consequences of their action/inaction very much real, and very much alive. Like children, you just can't baby them their whole lives and expect them to come out as responsible adults. At some point they have to prove themselves by dealing alone with very real threats. Only then do they become real men and women. Perhaps it's well past time that Americans deal with a real threat.
Perhaps it's well past time that Americans deal with a real threat. You said it all. Not that I'll abide by the Constitution II though, because I have a pretty good idea on what that entails. They can roll it up nice and tight and stick it where the sun don't shine, sideways. I look at whats going on, and I can feel it in my bones that they are going to make their move real soon. Too many things are coming together. That lying sack of shit obama will be their poster boy and he has plenty of useful idiots to lick his boots.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
YES!!! the very people that would be at this convention.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
I'm merely excerpting the article.
The short and sweet of it. Well said.
If the Bill of Rights and Constitution don't mean anything, there is no reason to write a new one. It won't mean anything to these criminals either.
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#4. To: ReallyOrnery (#0)
#5. To: Pinguinite (#4)
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/constitution-and-libertarian-parties-of-ohio-among-those-working-to-defeat-a-bill-calling-for-us-constitutional-convention/
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#7. To: angle (#5)
1. Total civilian disarmament. 2. Socialization of industry. 3. Confiscation of private property. 4. Torture of citizens. 5. Suppression of the Press and of Religion
If you started this day unaware that if a article 5 convention is called in the next two years, Nancy Pelosi and her team would get to choose how delegates are selected, how they are paid, where the convention would be held and if the convention were to be held in public or in secret. And,
If any or all of these facts were unknown to you, please do not risk giving Congress a blank check without doing all the research. We are talking about possible political suicide to the conservative movement. This move must be carefully examined, not hurried through a December session without scrutiny.
One point of irony should not be missed in this process. If Congress actually followed the Constitution, we would have a balanced budget and there would be
#8. To: Pinguinite, All (#7)
Sometimes, to truly wake people up, you have to make the consequences of their action/inaction very much real, and very much alive. Like children, you just can't baby them their whole lives and expect them to come out as responsible adults. At some point they have to prove themselves by dealing alone with very real threats. Only then do they become real men and women.
#9. To: Pinguinite (#7)
Perhaps it's well past time that Americans deal with a real threat.
#10. To: Pinguinite (#7)
You mention a conservative movement. What is that? What good is that?
#11. To: Old Friend. the thread (#6)
FUCK A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. THOSE ASSHOLES ARE EVIL AND AREN'T UP TO THE TASK.
#12. To: Pinguinite (#4)
Clinging to some illusion that the bill of rights and the original document mean anything is a farce.
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