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Title: “Natural Born Citizen”: Defined By 14Th Amendment Framers And In Treatise Relied On By Scalia
Source: naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com
URL Source: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress ... -treatise-relied-on-by-scalia/
Published: Dec 13, 2008
Author: Leo Donofrio
Post Date: 2008-12-13 16:27:22 by bluegrass
Ping List: *Tracking Comrade Obama*     Subscribe to *Tracking Comrade Obama*
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Views: 335
Comments: 23

[UPDATE - 11:10 AM Sat. Dec 13, 2008]: Yesterday, a SCOTUS clerk told Cort his decision wouldn’t be released untill Monday.  This was at approximately 11:00 AM while the Justices were still behind closed doors.

Tonight I will publish a point by point breakdown explaining why the application I prepared for Cort’s brief was so much stronger than the one in my own.]

PREAMBLE

This week has been quite enlightening as to the blatantly obvious fact that our “Fourth Estate” press corps have been transmogrified into propaganda ponies polly wanna crackering whatever may be handed down to them from “The One Corporation - your source for everything…” (cue eery theme tune).  They don’t report the news anymore. No.  Now they tell you what they want the news to be.  There’s a huge difference.

For the record, my law suit was brought to remove three candidates from the ballots - three candidates who have big Constitutional issues as to their eligibility.

At the time of his birth, Obama was a British/Kenyan citizen by descent of his father.  Because I pointed out pesky international laws which governed his citizenship due to the fact that a father has every legal right in the world to have the laws of his nation apply to his son, I have been labeled a conspiracy freakoid of nature.

Never mind that I included demands for Panama John McCain and the Nicaraguan born Roger Calero to also be removed from our ballots.  No, they don’t want to talk about that do they - because it would blow the “he’s just another Obama hater” mantra clear out of play.

A citizen (me) raised the Constitutional issue of first impression as to the meaning of “natural born Citizen” in Article 2, Section 1, of the United States Constitution - that ultimate pesky legal document for those who would rather “be” the law instead of following it.

What are the Fourth Estate propagandists worried about?  Thou doth protest too much.  Me thinks so.  Why?  Because the law is against their man - it indicates Barack Obama is not a natural born Citizen of the United States.  And most of the media pundits have basically agreed by default.  I say this because when yelling and mocking the issue, their main argument is not that the law is on their side (they know it isn’t), but rather that the law shouldn’t be discussed at all.

PRESIDENTIAL PRECEDENT

Other than the fraud perpetrated by Chester Arthur (see prior stories), every post grandfather clause President of this nation was born in the United States to parents who were US Citizens.  In their wisdom, they recognized the danger in having people born under the jurisdiction of another country taking the role of commander in chief.

They did this recognizing that multitudes of loyal men wouldn’t be eligible, but they also knew that they couldn’t see into the soul of all possible candidates, so just to be safe, they put a restriction in the Document which is there to protect us from a sneak attack in the oval office by somebody who might have loyalty to another nation.  The framers themselves were good men, loyal to this infant nation, but they recognized that people like them had to be excluded from future Presidential eligibility as an order of protection.  McCain and Obama know that...

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#1. To: bluegrass (#0)

The next illegitimately installed illegitimate shadow government tool isn't legit enough to even receive one single electoral vote legally it appears. Complete illegitimacy !

LOL

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-13   16:30:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: bluegrass (#0)

Me thinks so.

Me thinks something funny is going on here.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-12-13   16:31:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: roughrider, christine, Pinguinite, angle, Lady X, Cynicom, Tauzero, aristeides, wbales, Ridinshotgun, DeaconBenjamin, Horse, Ada, HOUNDDAWG, nikki, farmfriend, Jethro Tull, Dakmar, echo5sierra, scrapper2, noone222, Rotara, honway, Original_Intent (#0)

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I’ll leave you now with the relevant textbook definition of natural born citizen. The following was published in 1758. This definition, added to all of the above, certainly establishes a rational legal basis to hold that Barack Obama is not a natural born Citizen. And more than that, it puts the burden on those who deny it to don the tin foil hat of despair and bring forthwith to the table of honest debate their own bed of authority to lie in:

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-13   16:33:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Rotara (#1)

Complete illegitimacy !

Like begets like. ; )

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-13   16:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: bluegrass (#0)

The framers themselves were good men, loyal to this infant nation, but they recognized that people like them had to be excluded from future Presidential eligibility as an order of protection.

Me knows something funny is going on now.

Leo Donofrio is an elite stooge.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-12-13   16:35:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: bluegrass (#4)

Perfectly Illegitimate !!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-13   16:36:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: RickyJ (#5)

I don't think so. He exposed Chester Arthur's hoodwinking of the system, a decidedly non-elitist thing to do.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-13   16:38:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: bluegrass, Jethro Tull, All (#0)

At the time of his birth, Obama was a British/Kenyan citizen by descent of his father. Because I pointed out pesky international laws which governed his citizenship due to the fact that a father has every legal right in the world to have the laws of his nation apply to his son, I have been labeled a conspiracy freakoid of nature.

Nobody has labeled me a conspiracy freak as of yet. Hopefully you neither. Let us all join together and not allow obanger to take the oath of office as our next president.

You and those calling for his election to be recognized as illegitimate, stand up now or forever shut your pussified mouths. Back your words with a conviction to stop the bullshit that is happening by those parasites who are running the show(our government). Stand up and call all of us to an outright revolution and do itt now without shooting off your mouths through your printed words on this forum.

Jethro Tull has spoken out in support of a "real' Revolution and probably will lead the way. He got real balls. I'm second in line! Put your real name up right now or your 4um name to join in and show you got balls. Okay?

LACUMO  posted on  2008-12-13   17:23:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: bluegrass (#0)

Because I pointed out pesky international laws which governed his citizenship due to the fact that a father has every legal right in the world to have the laws of his nation apply to his son, I have been labeled a conspiracy freakoid of nature.

I has little to do with conspiracy, it's more like stupidity. Everyone knows - ask any pregnant illegal - that all children born in the US, regardless of their parents' citizenship or even legality of their presence in the US, are US citizens by birth. In the case of Obama, not only was he born in the US but his mother was a US citizen, daughter of super-patriotic parents and distant relative of Bush, Clinton, Washington and Jerry Springer.

But don't we all love freakoid entertainment?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-12-13   17:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#9)

At the time of his birth, Obama was a British/Kenyan citizen by descent of his father. Because I pointed out pesky international laws which governed his citizenship due to the fact that a father has every legal right in the world to have the laws of his nation apply to his son, I have been labeled a conspiracy freakoid of nature.

......and a bunch of loud mouthed pussies flapping their mouths just to hear themselves so they can feel important.

Show us your birth certificate obanger. Some oussy uses this as a tag line. Guess who!!!!!

LACUMO  posted on  2008-12-13   17:56:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Bluegrass, Jethro Tull, All (#8)

Jethro Tull has spoken out in support of a "real' Revolution and probably will lead the way. He got real balls. I'm second in line! Put your real name up right now or your 4um name to join in and show you got balls. Okay?

Just as I thought. Simply a bunch of loud mouthed coward cunts!

LACUMO  posted on  2008-12-13   18:17:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: LACUMO (#11)

Lac...

Firstly your language is over the top and unacceptable.

Secondly, Perhaps you did not read my post asking you what you proposed to Ron Paul concerning a revolution. I would like to know what he replied.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-12-13   18:21:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: LACUMO (#11) (Edited)

Bun, don't just 'show you got balls'. Show your balls. Yeah, why don't you, fearless revolutionaries, post a picture (enlarged) of your dick and of your a- hole.

Oh, wait, the a-hole picture you would call it 'the official portrait', right?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-12-13   18:23:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#12)

Secondly, Perhaps you did not read my post asking you what you proposed to Ron Paul concerning a revolution. I would like to know what he replied.

It doesn't matter what I proposed to Ron Paul or vice-versa. Those of you who are only willing to fight the fight with words are strictly cowardly cunts. Don't try and pass yourselves off as courageous patriots.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-12-13   18:30:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: LACUMO (#14)

It doesn't matter what I proposed to Ron Paul or vice-versa.

I dont understand your reluctance to state the particulars concerning the possibility of you participating in a revolution.

Perhaps you have done nothing, said nothing to Ron Paul???? It surely seems that way. At least many of us supported and tried to pass along our ideas concerning what needs to be done.

Your cry is for revolution, so please explain what you have done or will do. Just perhaps most of us are just talkers, that being so we would like to know where you stand and with whom.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-12-13   18:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

See Jethro, I told you there weren't any real patriots with 'real' balls willing to help you fight the fight that is necessary to reclaim what we have lost as a country. All hat and no cattle!

LACUMO  posted on  2008-12-13   18:35:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#15) (Edited)

Your cry is for revolution, so please explain what you have done or will do. Just perhaps most of us are just talkers, that being so we would like to know where you stand and with whom.

Since you admit that you are just a loud mouthed coward cunt(talker) there is no need to elaborate. I do thank you for your honestly.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-12-13   18:39:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: LACUMO (#17)

I do thank you for your honestly.

I have never been accused of honesty.

Also, why the vulgar language? Are you unable to discuss anything in acceptable civil terms????

Are such names the words you use describing your Mother, wife or daughter, or do you use such only when you can hide????

We still want to know what you propose to do about a revolution...

Cynicom  posted on  2008-12-13   18:42:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#18)

Are such names the words you use describing your Mother, wife or daughter, or do you use such only when you can hide????

No, only yours. I won't answer any more of your cowardly replys. Now fuck off!

LACUMO  posted on  2008-12-13   18:46:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: LACUMO (#16)

I don't want or expect help. I'll act alone when and if that time comes.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-13   19:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: LACUMO (#19)

No, only yours. I won't answer any more of your cowardly replys. Now fuck off!

Your language paints a perfect portrait of a man that is unable to function in open society.

It is there for everyone to see, portrait of an insecure man that has to use vulgar cheap language to reinforce his own inadequacies. A man that would have no interest or concern for language used in front of his own female family.

Shame, a real shame.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-12-14   0:00:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: LACUMO (#11)

Are you a real cop or are you just a wannabe cop?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-14   0:03:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#9)

his mother was a US citizen, daughter of super-patriotic parents

Wow. Obama sounds super-duper patriotic. How could I have been so blind?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2008-12-14   0:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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