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Title: Homosexuals getting violent around the nation.
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://cofcc.org/?p=2372
Published: Nov 18, 2008
Author: Council of Conservative Citizens
Post Date: 2008-12-18 10:13:40 by AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt
Keywords: None
Views: 663
Comments: 41

Homosexuals getting violent around the nation.

http://CofCC.org News Team.

More than a week after the passage of Proposition 8, terrorists opposed to the ban on sodomite marriage have shifted their violence around the nation.

Photo Above: This is an actual photo of “Bash Back,” a militant lesbian organization.

Photo Botton: This is an actual flyer that Bash Back members posted on the internet. It shows an American city of fire, and Congressman Ron Paul being murdered.

From http://wnd.com

Just days after homosexual violence exploded in California, a militant lesbian group disrupted a large church in Michigan screaming profanities and throwing condoms into the crowd.

“‘Jesus was gay,’ they shouted among other profanities and blasphemies as they rushed the stage. Some forced their way through rows of women and kids to try to hang a profane banner from the balcony while others began tossing fliers into the air. Two women made their way to the pulpit and began to kiss,” he wrote.

He cited the Bash Back organization’s own announcement of other items members brought into the church, including “a megaphone, noise makers, condoms, glitter by the bucket load, confetti, pink fabric. …”

According to the alternative Lansing City Pulse – which reported it was notified of the protest ahead of time and sent a reporter along instead of warning the church – the protesters also screamed at parishioners and pulled the church facility’s fire alarm. Printed material protesters distributed said, “We specialize in confronting homophobia, transphobia and every and all other forms of oppression.”

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#1. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

As someone who doesn't give a rip about peoples personal life, the aggressive homosexual agenda is getting under my skin. It's all over the media, our schools, and of course, accepted by the leftist scum who reside in this nation. I'm getting to the point where I agree with our Taliban brothers in peace; flamers should be shoved back in the closet, post haste.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-18   10:20:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

One good thing about the muslims is they don't put up with faggots. They will just kill their asses.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-12-18   10:25:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

meanwhile....

December 17, 2008

Sarah Palin's Church in Wasilla burned down; media mainly silent, except for David Letterman who jokes about it.

"Fire At Palin's Church Ignites Social Controversies

The fire at Sarah Palin's church in Wasilla has revived social controversies on gay marriage. That is the garbage theory flying around on the web, but at the same time it certainly doesn't gain any support for the gay community. There are hate wackos in every group.

Sarah Palin apologized for the attention her candidacy may have brought to her former church. It is a good possibility that some "hate group" was punishing her through the church where she has a long history. The action was an evil attempt to set a deadly fire to a building where children were present. Thankfully, no one was hurt. Perhaps that is why David Letterman felt free to joke about it.

The staff at "Women on the Web" said it was also possible that "the past scandals" of Palin were responsible for bringing this wrath on the Wasilla church. Past scandals? Forget it! We know what scandals are as of late, and I don't think of "Troopergate".

Now, according to WOW, Sarah is to blame for the flyer sent out by this church for "reparative behavior therapy" for homosexuals. That is considered a very plausible theory in this article as well. These are just theories, but the media runs with it.

Anyone in this country has a right to attend church and believe as they do. If some people think that homosexuality can be cured by a type of "love therapy", who cares? It isn't forced upon anyone. Yet someone wants to burn a church down?...TRedwine "

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Mic 4:11 Now also many nations [or HEATHENS http://www.blueletterbible.org/l...n.cfm?Strongs=H1471&t=KJV ] are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion.

Mic 4:12 But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...m?b=Mic&c=4&v=11&t=KJV#11

1Cr 3:17 — If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

getting real close from the looks of things.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-12-18   10:30:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

“Bash Back,” a militant lesbian organization.

Im really frightened by lesbians. I know some people who if some lesbians attacked them would turn the tables. They dykes would be forced into group sex to satisfy their lusts. Then they would be discarded like a dirty diaper.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-12-18   10:31:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

Everything you said...bump that.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-12-18   10:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, All (#0)

Go for it, shitdicks.

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Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”

PSUSA  posted on  2008-12-18   10:33:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: PSUSA (#6)

Interesting link. Any recomendations?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-12-18   10:34:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#3) (Edited)

That's another thing that is bothering me; wacky wiccans. These tree hugging fags who prance about in the woods dressed as Pan need to be struck numerous times with the business end of a Louisville slugger.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-18   10:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Old Friend (#4)

Im really frightened by lesbians.

I know one who is that way I think because she was molested by her father. She is very moral in other ways [and I consider her a friend whom I would love to see turn from her lifestyle, and I have talked to her about it]. Treat her right and she'll treat you right....but I sure wouldn't want to cross her.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-12-18   10:41:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: PSUSA (#6)

Excuse me?

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-12-18   10:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

business end of a Louisville slugger.

There is a much worse fate awaiting them if they don't change their ways. A lot of us need to change our ways.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-12-18   10:43:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

What fags really want is legal access to prepubescent boys. That, along with the disease and a few other things, is why no society has ever accepted them.

They can't seem to figure this out.

Republicans believe in abortion -- they just wait until they're born and then call them 'collateral damage'.

Turtle  posted on  2008-12-18   10:46:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

That goes waay back...it's more of what the Jews have wrought in America...to defile her.

In the book of Judges we find a pattern that emerges, a very tragic pattern, and that is during the time when they were blessed, at ease, without war. They would turn to other gods and begin to worship Baal and Ashtoreth and the various gods of the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Hittites and the Jebusites, the people in the land in which they were dwelling. And because of their apostasy God would give them over into the hand of their enemies and they would be oppressed by their enemies. And being oppressed by their enemies they would cry out unto the Lord and the Lord would raise up a judge to be a deliverer and they would be delivered from the oppression from their enemies. Then they would have a period of prosperity, the judge would die and back into the same old pattern of turning their backs on God and beginning again to worship Baal and the other gods and the groves and all. And it's just a sad, tragic story of failure, the failure of consistency in the worship of God and in the honoring of God......

Chapter 3

Now these are the nations which the LORD left, to prove Israel (Jdg 3:1),

There were the Philistines, the Canaanites, the Hivites and the Hittites and the Jebusites and the Perizzites and the Amorites that God left, six nations.

And verse six,

The children of Israel took their daughters (Jdg 3:6)

That is of the Canaanites, the Hitites, the Amorites, the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites.

They took their daughters to be their wives, and they gave their daughters to their sons, and they served their gods. And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and they forgot Jehovah their God, and they served Baalim and the groves (Jdg 3:6-7).

Now the groves were the places of worship and usually extremely licentious type of worship.

Therefore the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, they sold them into the hand of Chushanrishathaim the king of Mesopotamia: and they served him for eight years. And when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised up and delivered to the children of Israel, who delivered them, even Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother (Jdg 3:8-9).....

www.blueletterbible.org/c...&commInfo=25&topic=Judges

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-12-18   10:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Turtle (#12) (Edited)

What fags really want is legal access to prepubescent boys.

Did you see this [sorry i found it at stormfront ] [edit: guess that would be David Duke! sorry.]

"Pedophilia ‘Rampant’ In Orthodox Judaism

By Rev. Ted Pike

From its founding by the ancient Pharisees and still today, Orthodox Judaism is Judaism. [1] The state of Israel officially endorses Orthodoxy. For 2,000 years—since before such relatively recent variants as Conservative and Reform Judaism branched off—Talmud-believing Orthodox Judaism has been the spiritual center of gravity of the Jewish people. [2]

Now the Associated Press reports that the Orthodox Jewish community struggles to contain what has been a closely guarded secret: pedophilia. [3] AP says that, especially in areas most populated by Orthodox Jews (such as New York where 37 percent of Jews are Orthodox), widespread sexual molestation of children can no longer be denied. Yet “initiatives encouraging victims to come forward or offering support for those claiming they were molested encounter strong opposition, lead to death-threats in the Jewish community…”

In a previous e-alert, “Pedophilia: Thriving in Judaism’s Right Wing” [4], I related how an Orthodox Jew, Dov Hikind, a Brooklyn assemblyman, is attempting to address what AP calls “a taboo subject” among the Orthodox.

Since Hikind broached the subject on his radio show this summer, “dozens of people have come forward with stories about children being molested in the Orthodox community which strictly follows Jewish law…Dov Hikind says as many as four people a day have come to him over the past three months with painful accounts of secrets often kept for decades, accusing more than sixty individuals.”

Yet the assemblyman and radio host faces increasing opposition from many Orthodox Jews who practice pedophilia, condone it, or look the other way. “His campaign has set off a firestorm in the Orthodox community, where people are reluctant to involve secular authorities. One rabbi said he got death threats for speaking out.” Hikind said:”In our community, people don’t talk about the things they’ve come to my office and revealed.” He said he encourages people who confide in him to talk to Jewish authorities. But none will, he said, for fear of ostracism.

“One rabbi and psychologist told Jewish media outlets he was hounded into quitting a task force on child molestation days after Hikind appointed him to lead it…Another New York rabbi told the Daily News this month that vicious fliers and death threat calls scared him into shutting down a sex abuse victims hot-line he had set up.”

Six former students are suing an Orthodox school in New York for allegedly covering up the abuse of Rabbi Yehuda Kolkol, charged with sexually molesting boys. He pled guilty to a lesser charge and was put on probation. Hikind has been subpoenaed to testify as to further evidence against Kolkol or other school staffers. [5] Michael Daud, lawyer for the six students, won $11.4 million in damages against a Catholic youth minister who raped two teens on Long Island. With an initial 60 cases of pedophilia emerging, Daud could win similar restitution through judgments against persons in the wealthy Brooklyn Orthodox community.

Why Do They Do It?

Actually, the existence of pedophilia is not Orthodoxy’s best kept secret. What truly cannot be uttered by the Jewish community or media worldwide is that the Talmud, Judaism’s highest legal authority, encourages pedophilia. If this fact became widely known, it could destroy Judaism as one of the world’s great religions. It would confirm millennia of “anti-Semitic” accusations (beginning with Jesus’ incendiary attacks on the Pharisees) that pharisaic Judaism is based on gutter values.

In my article “Pedophilia: the Talmud’s Dirty Secret” [6] I document that the greatest Talmudic sages repeatedly upheld the right of Jewish men to marry 3-year-old baby girls by having sex with them. The more Orthodox Judaism is, the more literally it follows every dictum of such rabbinic authorities. Shockingly, one of the most revered rabbis of the Talmud, Simeon ben Yohai, asserts “that a proselyte under the age of three years and one day may be married to a priest.” [7]

The Talmud says ben Yohai’s endorsement of pedophilia is “halachah,” binding Jewish law (Yebamoth 60b).

Pedophilia in Israel Today

In a related story, YnetNews.com says that in Israel, “in spite of efforts by welfare officials, local rabbis, state authorities are unable to curb rampant child abuse in ultra-Orthodox families.”

It says there emerges “One harrowing case after another, yet welfare officials stand by helpless: faced with a string of heart-wrenching cases of child abuse in the haredi [ultra-Orthodox]…”

“One recent disturbing case, for instance, in which a Netivot mother had sexually abused her son, only came to light when the son began attending boarding school and molested a fellow pupil. The social workers who handled his case quickly realized that the child had no idea that what he had done was wrong.” [8]

Incredibly, this, too, is sanctioned by the Talmud. In my article “Judaism and Homosexuality: A Marriage Made in Hell” [9], I document the Talmud’s repeated permission for women to have sex with boys under age nine. It says such relations are non-sexual and without moral implications. Sanhedrin 69b asserts that “if a woman sported lewdly with her young son [a minor], and he committed the first stage of cohabitation with her [penetration],” –the rabbinic school of the great Hillel (namesake of New York’s Jewish Hillel Theological Seminary) declared her “fit for the priesthood” (Sanhedrin 69b).

The Talmud gives the clear impression that boys under age nine are fair game for sexual predation by women and even men. Such passages are not obscure, infrequent, or difficult to find. They are readily encountered in perusal of Talmudic treatises Kethuboth, Yebamoth, and Sanhedrin.

The extreme devotion of Orthodox Jews to obedience to every jot and tittle of the Talmud powerfully inclines us to suspect that Talmudic sanction of pedophilia may underlie the problem of pedophilia in Judaism today. ......"

www.davidduke.com/general...-guarded-secret_6405.html

You are right. This is what they want for America.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-12-18   10:57:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#14)

Everyone knows about Catholic priests but nary a work about Judaism.

By the way, the reason Mia Farrow left Woody Allen is because she caught him molesting the kids.

Republicans believe in abortion -- they just wait until they're born and then call them 'collateral damage'.

Turtle  posted on  2008-12-18   11:04:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Turtle (#15)

yup...and yup.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-12-18   11:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

Excuse me?

You heard me.

If they want to come out and play, fine by me. I am sick and tired of trying to be Mr Nice Guy all the time. They want violence then violence they will get. They seem to think that their violence is a 1 way street, when it goes both ways.

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Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”

PSUSA  posted on  2008-12-18   11:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

It just get's creepier and creepier.

I was wondering why Ron Paul is pictured on the poster. I thought his position on gay marriage was that the government shouldn't be involved in such things. I figured that would be a position gays would respect, but he's the demon here?

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-18   11:48:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: OliviaFNewton (#18) (Edited)

I was wondering why Ron Paul is pictured on the poster. I thought his position on gay marriage was that the government shouldn't be involved in such things. I figured that would be a position gays would respect, but he's the demon here?

I was wondering about the same thing. Why the hatred of Ron Paul of all people? I could understand militant homosexuals hating the "religious right", many of whom want to bring back laws against homosexual acts, but you'd think that Ron Paul's libertarianism would actually appeal to many gays.

I think that the bottom line is that the militant queers don't just want the government to leave them alone and let them live their lives, in spite of what they say. They want special priveleges granted to them by the govt, just like other so-called "persecuted minorities" enjoy. Hands-off libertarianism just doesn't cut it for them.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-12-18   11:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#1) (Edited)

As someone who doesn't give a rip about peoples personal life, the aggressive homosexual agenda is getting under my skin. It's all over the media, our schools, and of course, accepted by the leftist scum who reside in this nation. I'm getting to the point where I agree with our Taliban brothers in peace; flamers should be shoved back in the closet, post haste.

The gay liberationists get under my skin, but the Bible thumpers who make other people's private lives the focus of their existence are every bit as obnoxious. Both sides are too stupid to see that they're one another's double: one side wants to make their own sex lives everyone else's business, the other side wants to make the sex lives of other people their business.

If I had it my way, the in-your-face queer activists and the religious nuts who obsess over them would be handed machetes and then locked in a room together until nothing was left.

Then the non-crazies among us could all live in peace.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-12-18   12:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#20)

Then the non-crazies among us could all live in peace.

Your idea sounds.......well kinda crazy.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-12-18   12:20:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Old Friend (#21)

It was meant as hyperbole, but you get the point.

I have no patience for people who make their private lives everyone else's business, or for people who make other people's private lives their business.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-12-18   12:31:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#20)

Then the non-crazies among us could all live in peace.

Amen.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2008-12-18   12:35:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

As Mad Max might say, what are they gonna do, have a week-long hissy?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-12-18   13:22:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: James Deffenbach (#24)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-18   13:24:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#20)

but the Bible thumpers who make other people's private lives the focus of their existence are every bit as obnoxious

I agree with that. Hell, for me, would be having one member from both camps living next door to me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-18   13:25:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: All (#24)

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-12-18   13:31:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Rotara (#25)

Oh, d@mn you! I am blind, blind I tell you! Good thing I don´t have to look at the keyboard to type, lol!!!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-12-18   13:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: James Deffenbach (#27)

FOFLOL !!

Haaaahahahahahaha!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-18   13:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: James Deffenbach (#28)

ROFLOL

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-18   13:40:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Rotara (#25)

That face? Imagine full makeup and it would look like the guy who was next to me in an elevator a few days ago.

Republicans believe in abortion -- they just wait until they're born and then call them 'collateral damage'.

Turtle  posted on  2008-12-18   15:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Rotara (#25)

WTF!! Someone shoot it and put it out of its misery before it friggin' multiplies!!!

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

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IndieTX  posted on  2008-12-18   16:13:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#19)

They want special priveleges granted to them by the govt, just like other so-called "persecuted minorities" enjoy. Hands-off libertarianism just doesn't cut it for them.

I think that's the answer right there.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-18   16:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: IndieTX (#32)

WTF!! Someone shoot it and put it out of its misery before it friggin' multiplies!!!

I believe if our worst worry was that thing "multiplying" we wouldn´t have much of a worry at all.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-12-18   16:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

Wonder if the group was investigated for that photo of them with Ron Paul? if not, why not? if not, then are such photos acceptable to the govt? Just imagine if another type group made a picture/flier like that .

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-12-18   16:53:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Rupert_Pupkin, OliviaFNewton (#19)

as creepy as that photo is, and i'd lean towards viewing it as a threat, i think that this issue and article, put out by WND, is more of the same. get 'conservatives' worked up and get their energy aimed at 'LIB'RULS' , fags, abortionists, instead of at govertnment in general, which, D or R, doesnt give a flip about any of those issues. I myself was against prop 8, for the anti guv reasons.. Here is a writeup i did with the reasons. =========================

November 3, 2008 at 20:55:11

One Catholic's Opposition to Prop 8 California's Prop 8 is another example of divide and conquer, an issue of little significe other than to distract and divide the public, keeping the left and right fighting amongst each other. McBama and O'Cain are both criminal puppets who don't give one lick about you, your family, abortion, gay marriage, or America. Behind closed doors they are laughing at you, along with the global elite who pulls their strings. Stop being a statist. Marriage is none of the state's business.

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One Catholic's Opposition to Prop 8

With all this hubub going on about Proposition 8 in California, thought I'd add my two cents worth. This Prop 8 is another example of divide and conquer, an issue of little significe other than to distract and divide the public, keeping the left and right fighting amongst each other. For those well meaning traditionalists and Christians who are worried about what the state schools teach your kids regarding marriage, if you don't know by now that your kids are not best served by keeping them far away from "public" government run schools, you're not doing your job.

For those advocating homsexuality and so-called 'gay marriage', begging the state to meddle in your affairs is a sad and tragic act of ignorance.

Both sides of this debate are fighting for more state intrusion into an arena where the stae should have no valid business.

Let's take a look at what courts have ruled regarding marriage contracts. Do you believe, like the state does, that the state is 'guardian of your morals'? Good grief.:

[8]This state is a party to every marriage contract of its own residents as well as the guardian of their morals. Roberts v. Roberts, 81 Cal App.2d 871 [Civ. no. 15818. Second Dist., Div. two. Oct 17, 1947]

------------ West V. West In fact, the entire familial relationship involves the State. When two people decide to get married, they are required to first procure a license from the State. if they have children of this marriage, they are required by the State to submit their children to certain things, such as school attendance and vaccinations. Furthermore, if at some time in the future the couple decides the marriage is not working, they must petition the State for a divorce. Marriage is a three party contrct between the man, the woman, and the State. Linneman v. Linneman 1 Ill. App 2d 48, 50, 116, N.E. 2d 182, 183 (1953),

-------------- Citing Van Koten v. Van Koten... The state represents the public interest in the institution of marriage. Linneman...... This public interest is what allows the State to intervene in certain situations to protect the interests of members of the family. The State is like a silent partner in the family who is not active in the everyday running of the family but becomes active and exercises its powers and authority only when necessary to protect some important interests of family life. Taking all this into consideration, the question no longer is whether the State has an interest or place in disputes such as the one at bar, but it becomes a question of timing and necessity.... [West v. West, 689 N.E. 2d 1215 (1998)]

--------------- For skeptical statist Catholics, let's look at what Pope Leo XIII wrote about state involvement in marriage in his encyclical HUMANUM GENUS (On Freemasonry)

Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII 20 April 1884

21. What refers to domestic life in the teaching of the naturalists is almost all contained in the following declarations: that marriage belongs to the genus of commercial contracts, which can rightly be revoked by the will of those who made them, and that the civil rulers of the State have power over the matrimonial bond; that in the education of youth nothing is to be taught in the matter of religion as of certain and fixed opinion; and each one must be left at liberty to follow, when he comes of age, whatever he may prefer. To these things the Freemasons fully assent; and not only assent, but have long endeavored to make them into a law and institution. For in many countries, and those nominally Catholic, it is enacted that no marriages shall be considered lawful except those contracted by the civil rite; in other places the law permits divorce; and in others every effort is used to make it lawful as soon as may be. Thus, the time is quickly coming when marriages will be turned into another kind of contract—that is into changeable and uncertain unions which fancy may join together, and which the same when changed may disunite. With the greatest unanimity the sect of the Freemasons also endeavors to take to itself the education of youth. They think that they can easily mold to their opinions that soft and pliant age, and bend it whither they will; and that nothing can be more fitted than this to enable them to bring up the youth of the State after their own plan. Therefore, in the education and instruction of children they allow no share, either of teaching or of discipline, to the ministers of the Church; and in many places they have procured that the education of youth shall be exclusively in the hands of laymen, and that nothing which treats of the most important and most holy duties of men to God shall be introduced into the instructions on morals.

I also couldn't help but notice that the plethora of "Yes on 8" signs are often accompanied by MCCAIN/PALIN signs. Obama supporters are more likely to vote no on 8. For those caught up in this nonsense, let me remind you that McBama and O'Cain are both criminal puppets who don't give one lick about you, your family, abortion, gay marriage, or America. Behind closed doors they are laughing at you, along with the global elite who pulls their strings. if you feel compelled to participate ion the fraud circus we call elections, where the possibility of your vote actually being counted is dubious at best, vote NO to mroe state control over our lives. The state doesn't care about you. The government doesn't care about you. The politicians don't care about you. They don't care about you.

Luke 16;13 Galations 5;1 For freedom Christ set us free; so stand firm and do not submit again to the yoke of slavery. http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/galatians/galatians5.htm

"WOE TO YOU LAWYERS": Excerpt from the Gospel According to Saint Luke: 46 But he said: Woe to you lawyers also, because you load men with burdens which they cannot bear, and you yourselves touch not the packs with one of your fingers. 47 Woe to you who build the monuments of the prophets: and your fathers killed them. 48 Truly you bear witness that you consent to the doings of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and you build their sepulchres. 49 For this cause also the wisdom of God said: I will send to them prophets and apostles; and some of them they will kill and persecute. 50 That the blood of all the prophets which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation,

While we're at it, the following is from the government's own 'social security' website:

www.ssa.gov Must my child have a Social Security number? No. Getting a Social Security number for your newborn is voluntary. But, it is a good idea to get a number when your child is born. You can apply for a Social Security number for your baby when you apply for your baby’s birth certificate. The state agency that issues birth certificates will share your child’s information with us and we will mail the Social Security card to you.

If you wait to apply at a Social Security office, you must show us proof of your child’s U.S. citizenship, age and identity, as well as proof of your own identity. We must verify your child’s birth record, which can add up to 12 weeks to the time it takes to issue a card. To verify a birth certificate, Social Security will contact the office that issued it. We do this verification to prevent people from using fraudulent birth records to obtain Social Security numbers to establish false identities.

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MORE INFO on state intrusion into marriage: http://sedm.org/ItemInfo/Ebooks/SovChristianMarriage/SovChristianMarriage- 061121tocs.pdf

Catholic paleo-libertarian from California

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-12-18   17:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: OliviaFNewton (#33)

I think that's the answer right there.

Either that or they chose some random politicians with a rightwing reputation to smear and demonize, without even bothering to do their homework.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-12-18   17:07:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Artisan (#36) (Edited)

i think that this issue and article, put out by WND, is more of the same. get 'conservatives' worked up and get their energy aimed at 'LIB'RULS' ,

I think so too. BTW, your entire post was excellent.

My question was really why RP was pictured on the poster. It's clear now why, but clearer that perhaps gays that have been radicalized by whatever pressure, are being used as tools to actually maintain the left/right myth. Or, the status quo.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   9:58:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#37)

Either that or they chose some random politicians with a rightwing reputation to smear and demonize, without even bothering to do their homework.

You would think they'd love a guy that promotes individual liberty. I do.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   10:00:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: OliviaFNewton, Rupert_Pupkin (#18) (Edited)

I was wondering why Ron Paul is pictured on the poster. I thought his position on gay marriage was that the government shouldn't be involved in such things. I figured that would be a position gays would respect, but he's the demon here?

Good point. That may be a confirmatory clue to whom is really behind this. Ron Paul doesn't worship at the feet of the Jews, nor does he endorse the wars CorpUSA wages in the name of "Israel". [edit. This is pointed out by Rev. Ted Pike in a recent article: JEWISH NEWSWEEK SAYS BIBLE IS PRO-GAY freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=92622 He also pointed out how they work under cover of others [false flags]. Since communists [Jews] burned 40,000 churches in Russia, I wouldn't be surprised if Jews were behind the Palin church burning. Wouldn't be surprised at all.]

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-12-20   17:05:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#40)

I wouldn't be surprised if Jews were behind the Palin church burning. Wouldn't be surprised at all.]

As soon as you mention the church burnings, I immediately thought the same thing.

It was an obvious personal targeted attack...not a radom 'spree' in the South. The hatred directed toward her, has been an incredibly vicious display and remains abetted by the media. That she is so reviled by some is a window to who these people really are.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-25   9:33:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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