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Title: L.A. council tightens gun, ammunition laws
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LA Times
URL Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/l ... ns18-2008dec18,0,3132923.story
Published: Dec 18, 2008
Author: Maeve Reston
Post Date: 2008-12-18 17:56:50 by Rotara
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The Los Angeles City Council approved a package of gun control laws Wednesday, placing new requirements on ammunition sellers and banning the sale of military-style ammunition in the hopes of further reducing the city's gun and gang violence. The measures ban the sale of .50-caliber ammunition, capable of penetrating a car's engine, and would require the city's ammunition vendors to be licensed, to sell ammunition face-to-face instead of over the Internet and require gun dealers to report a full accounting of their inventory twice a year to the Police Department. The council passed laws prohibiting the installation of secret compartments for guns in cars and allowing the city to permanently seize vehicles used by certain gang members during a crime, which was proposed by City Atty. Rocky Delgadillo. The council also approved an ordinance that would allow landlords to evict tenants who are convicted of illegally possessing weapons or ammunition within 1,000 feet of the rental property. A lawyer for the National Rifle Assn. said his client probably would file suit to block some of the measures. Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton and Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who helped develop the ordinances with Councilman Jack Weiss and other members, praised the package at a news conference before the vote. "We use this to stop a vehicle," Bratton said, holding up a .50-caliber bullet longer and thicker than a finger. "Unless you are out trying to kill Godzilla, and I think the last time we saw Godzilla was in the 1950s, there is no need for this type of weapon" unless it is in the hands of the military or law enforcement, he said. Villaraigosa dismissed questions about whether the ammunition restrictions would have a practical effect since buyers could simply purchase the bullets over the Internet or in cities where the laws do not apply. "Part of what we're doing here is leading the way," Villaraigosa said, stating that the measures are another tool to fight gun violence and that he hoped other cities and President-elect Barack Obama's administration would follow suit. "This is the most far-reaching effort of any big city in the country. . . . This isn't about symbolism; it's about results." The council approved the measures unanimously. But C.D. Michel, a Long Beach attorney who represents the National Rifle Assn. and the California Rifle & Pistol Assn., said his clients were likely to sue over the new laws governing ammunition sales and vendors because they either conflict with or are duplicated by state law. Michel, the law partner of city attorney candidate Carmen A. Trutanich, also questioned the effectiveness of the ammunition measures, noting that there are only a handful of gun vendors left in the city and buyers could go elsewhere. "A lot of these don't really do what the sound bite would portray them as doing," said Michel, who accused Weiss of pushing the measures to get publicity for his own campaign for city attorney. "It's about trying to look like you're doing something when you're not really doing anything. . . . My clients will just just challenge the ones that are illegal in court." Weiss, who introduced four of the ordinances and is chairman of the city's public safety committee, addressed the possibility of legal challenges by the NRA at the news conference. "I think the message from everyone up here to the NRA is pretty simple: Make our day. We will fight you in court. We will win," Weiss said. Weiss has criticized Trutanich's associations with the NRA, which is likely to be an issue in the city attorney's race. After several council members received a letter from Michel on the letterhead of the Trutanich-Michel firm challenging several proposed gun and ammunition ordinances, Weiss called on his opponent to "fire the NRA as a client or quit the race for city attorney." Weiss' campaign also circulated a news article to reporters in which Trutanich refers to the NRA as his client. But when Weiss raised the issue in early December, Trutanich released a statement stating that the NRA is not his client, he is not a member of the organization and he disagrees with many of the NRA's positions. His campaign manager said he was misquoted when he referred to the NRA as a client in the August news article. maeve.reston@latimes.com Poster Comment: Mother F**kers. Name the last time a gang started wasting people with .50 cal ! Next the PD will be the only place to buy ammunition ! Time to prepare NOW to load your own rounds !!!!
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#1. To: IndieTX, Original_Intent, Jethro Tull, Christine, scrapper2, JamesDeffenbach, TwentyTwelve, X-15, lodwick, Cynicom, HayekFan, OliviaFNewton, mel_living (#0)
The Mother of All Stats farming communities Weapon Law, March 18, 1938 200,000 •Prohibit carrying guns Political enemies •Warrantless searches •Confiscation powers Political enemies •Photo ID with fingerprints •License inspected quarterly "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I can see the need for the military to have such a weapon, but why does "LAW ENFORCEMENT" need this sort of weapon? Are THEY expecting Godzilla?
I reserve the right to use whatever force I need in order to repel a Police State attack, protect my family, myself and our property. That goes for my noncom/noncon neighbors and friends as well. I do not recognize statutes or 'laws' that are repugnant to the united States Constitution nor the BoR.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Eff them. I have more ammunition that I'll ever need, and just to make sure, I ordered more a few weeks back. Get your shit together now or forever hold your piece.
Glock and Load
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
In the 20th Century: How could governments kill so many people? The governments had the power - and the people, the victims, were unable to resist. The victims were unarmed.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
All I need is 150 rounds. If I use them up and still have a fight going on, I was gonna die anyway, and I already made enough widows to make it a fair trade. If I don't need more than 150 rounds, then I'll have lots of ammo to pick off the corpses. :)
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. I'm actually glad it's finally here. We can and will win.
If I don't need more than 150 rounds, then I'll have lots of ammo to pick off the corpses. :) You need 150 rounds for each resistor that you might be aiding ! I agree, one shot one kill grab resources and split.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Live Free or Die
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
YouTube Barrett .416 Crazy, unconstitutional bastards. My point is, if WE can't have those weapons because we "don't need them", then why does "law enforcement" NEED them, and why do THEY get to have them?
I understand.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
There are better one's out there from the Discovery Channel's Extreme Weapons' show where they show two mile plus target acquisition, cold-barrel, one shot hits. And, yes. with lots of food for same. Ask Santa, quickly.
That young man isn't over 15 years old imo. Nice to see a youngin' gettin some learnin'.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
In the black, cold-bore, one shot, at 2500 yards. Nice.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
The only thing better than a computer help thread, is a gun porn thread. I love, and enjoy them both, and try to bring right info to both...(Not that I know all that much about either, except how to use them, and feel better having them around.)
Speaking of which, tomorrow I get my new 250 gig hard drive, and need to clone my old 40 gigger onto it. Help! :)
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. ping
Americans used to roar like lions for liberty. Now they bleat like sheep for security I am of NO help here - post a help thread here to those who know how to do this. Good luck with it all.
So as not to clutter the thread with unrelated comments to the subject matter I responded to you in PM. Hope it helps.
Wow rotara, is there a link to this anywhere? Thank you.
"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695) There is my dear !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Why thank you !!
"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695) De nada !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
It's just about that time.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids) RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP Great chart. Thanks for the ping. ;-)
Crap like that is what lead to the development of the Barrett .416, which is a more effective (further and flatter) cartridge than the .50.
You like it enough to post it twice...
Government Dates Targets Civiliams Killed "Gun Control" Laws Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme Ottoman Turkey 1915-1917 Armenians
(mostly Christians)1-1.5 million Art. 166, Pen. Code, 1866
& 1911 Proclamation, 1915 • Permits required •Government list of owners
•Ban on possessionSoviet Union 1929-1945 Political opponents;
20 million Resolutions, 1918
Decree, July 12, 1920
Art. 59 & 182, Pen. code, 1926 •Licensing of owners
•Ban on possession
•Severe penaltiesNazi Germany
& Occupied Europe 1933-1945 Political opponents;
Jews; Gypsies;
critics; "examples"20 million Law on Firearms & Ammun., 1928
Regulations against Jews, 1938•Registration & Licensing
•Stricter handgun laws
•Ban on possession China, Nationalist 1927-1949 Political opponents;
army conscripts; others10 million Art. 205, Crim. Code, 1914
Art. 186-87, Crim. Code, 1935•Government permit system
•Ban on private ownershipChina, Red 1949-1952
1957-1960
1966-1976Political opponents;
Rural populations
Enemies of the state 20-35 million Act of Feb. 20, 1951
Act of Oct. 22, 1957•Prison or death to "counter-revolutionary criminals" and anyone resisting any government program
•Death penalty for supply guns to such "criminals"Guatemala 1960-1981 Mayans & other Indians;
political enemies100,000-
Decree 36, Nov 25 •Act of 1932
Decree 386, 1947
Decree 283, 1964•Register guns & owners •Licensing with high fees
•Bans on guns, sharp tools •Confiscation powersUganda 1971-1979 Christians
300,000 Firearms Ordinance, 1955
Firearms Act, 1970•Register all guns & owners •Licenses for transactions
Cambodia
(Khmer Rouge)1975-1979 Educated Persons;
2 million Art. 322-328, Penal Code
Royal Ordinance 55, 1938•Licenses for guns, owners, ammunition & transactions
Rwanda 1994 Tutsi people 800,000 Decree-Law No. 12, 1979 •Register guns, owners, ammunition •Owners must justify
need •Concealable guns illegal •Confiscating powers
#2. To: Rotara (#0)
"Unless you are out trying to kill Godzilla, and I think the last time we saw Godzilla was in the 1950s, there is no need for this type of weapon" unless it is in the hands of the military or law enforcement
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#3. To: FormerLurker (#2)
#4. To: Rotara (#0)
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#4)
#6. To: Jethro Tull (#4)
#7. To: All (#6)
When the gun prohibitionists quote a statistic about how many people are killed by firearms misuse, the discussion sometimes bogs down into whose crime stats to believe and how to count crimes vs. the defensive firearm uses.
#8. To: Rotara (#0)
Funny Video Sharing Site
#9. To: Rotara (#6)
#10. To: Critter (#8)
All I need is 150 rounds. If I use them up and still have a fight going on, I was gonna die anyway, and I already made enough widows to make it a fair trade.
#11. To: Jethro Tull (#9)
I'm actually glad it's finally here. We can and will win.
#12. To: Rotara (#0)
This shit is why Barett will no longer service .50's from CA PD's and why he developed the .416.
#13. To: Rotara (#3)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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#15. To: lodwick (#12)
beautiful
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#17. To: lodwick (#16)
#18. To: Rotara, Shooters here (#17)
This is the one that I like -
#19. To: All (#18)
#20. To: lodwick (#18)
416 gun porn bump
#21. To: Rotara, Shooters here (#20)
416 gun porn bump
#22. To: lodwick (#21)
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The only thing better than a computer help thread
Funny Video Sharing Site
#23. To: Rotara, *Shooters*, *libertarians*, *Jack-Booted Thugs* (#0)
#24. To: Critter (#22)
#25. To: Critter (#22)
Speaking of which, tomorrow I get my new 250 gig hard drive, and need to clone my old 40 gigger onto it. Help! :)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#26. To: Rotara (#1)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)
#27. To: OliviaFNewton (#26)
#28. To: Rotara (#27)
There is my dear !
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)
#29. To: OliviaFNewton (#28)
Why thank you !!
#30. To: Jethro Tull, ALL (#9)
I'm actually glad it's finally here. We can and will win.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#31. To: Rotara (#1)
#32. To: Rotara (#0)
The measures ban the sale of .50-caliber ammunition, capable of penetrating a car's engine, and would require the city's ammunition vendors to be licensed, to sell ammunition face-to-face instead of over the Internet and require gun dealers to report a full accounting of their inventory twice a year to the Police Department.
#33. To: All (#18)
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