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Title: L.A. council tightens gun, ammunition laws
Source: LA Times
URL Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/l ... ns18-2008dec18,0,3132923.story
Published: Dec 18, 2008
Author: Maeve Reston
Post Date: 2008-12-18 17:56:50 by Rotara
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The Los Angeles City Council approved a package of gun control laws Wednesday, placing new requirements on ammunition sellers and banning the sale of military-style ammunition in the hopes of further reducing the city's gun and gang violence.

The measures ban the sale of .50-caliber ammunition, capable of penetrating a car's engine, and would require the city's ammunition vendors to be licensed, to sell ammunition face-to-face instead of over the Internet and require gun dealers to report a full accounting of their inventory twice a year to the Police Department.

The council passed laws prohibiting the installation of secret compartments for guns in cars and allowing the city to permanently seize vehicles used by certain gang members during a crime, which was proposed by City Atty. Rocky Delgadillo.

The council also approved an ordinance that would allow landlords to evict tenants who are convicted of illegally possessing weapons or ammunition within 1,000 feet of the rental property.

A lawyer for the National Rifle Assn. said his client probably would file suit to block some of the measures.

Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton and Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who helped develop the ordinances with Councilman Jack Weiss and other members, praised the package at a news conference before the vote.

"We use this to stop a vehicle," Bratton said, holding up a .50-caliber bullet longer and thicker than a finger. "Unless you are out trying to kill Godzilla, and I think the last time we saw Godzilla was in the 1950s, there is no need for this type of weapon" unless it is in the hands of the military or law enforcement, he said.

Villaraigosa dismissed questions about whether the ammunition restrictions would have a practical effect since buyers could simply purchase the bullets over the Internet or in cities where the laws do not apply.

"Part of what we're doing here is leading the way," Villaraigosa said, stating that the measures are another tool to fight gun violence and that he hoped other cities and President-elect Barack Obama's administration would follow suit. "This is the most far-reaching effort of any big city in the country. . . . This isn't about symbolism; it's about results."

The council approved the measures unanimously.

But C.D. Michel, a Long Beach attorney who represents the National Rifle Assn. and the California Rifle & Pistol Assn., said his clients were likely to sue over the new laws governing ammunition sales and vendors because they either conflict with or are duplicated by state law.

Michel, the law partner of city attorney candidate Carmen A. Trutanich, also questioned the effectiveness of the ammunition measures, noting that there are only a handful of gun vendors left in the city and buyers could go elsewhere.

"A lot of these don't really do what the sound bite would portray them as doing," said Michel, who accused Weiss of pushing the measures to get publicity for his own campaign for city attorney. "It's about trying to look like you're doing something when you're not really doing anything. . . . My clients will just just challenge the ones that are illegal in court."

Weiss, who introduced four of the ordinances and is chairman of the city's public safety committee, addressed the possibility of legal challenges by the NRA at the news conference.

"I think the message from everyone up here to the NRA is pretty simple: Make our day. We will fight you in court. We will win," Weiss said.

Weiss has criticized Trutanich's associations with the NRA, which is likely to be an issue in the city attorney's race.

After several council members received a letter from Michel on the letterhead of the Trutanich-Michel firm challenging several proposed gun and ammunition ordinances, Weiss called on his opponent to "fire the NRA as a client or quit the race for city attorney."

Weiss' campaign also circulated a news article to reporters in which Trutanich refers to the NRA as his client.

But when Weiss raised the issue in early December, Trutanich released a statement stating that the NRA is not his client, he is not a member of the organization and he disagrees with many of the NRA's positions.

His campaign manager said he was misquoted when he referred to the NRA as a client in the August news article.

maeve.reston@latimes.com

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Mother F**kers. Name the last time a gang started wasting people with .50 cal ! Next the PD will be the only place to buy ammunition ! Time to prepare NOW to load your own rounds !!!! Subscribe to *Constitution Party*

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#1. To: IndieTX, Original_Intent, Jethro Tull, Christine, scrapper2, JamesDeffenbach, TwentyTwelve, X-15, lodwick, Cynicom, HayekFan, OliviaFNewton, mel_living (#0)

The Mother of All Stats

The Human Cost of "Gun Control" Ideas

GovernmentDatesTargetsCiviliams Killed

  "Gun Control" Laws   Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme 
Ottoman Turkey

1915-1917Armenians
(mostly Christians)
1-1.5 millionArt. 166, Pen. Code, 1866
& 1911 Proclamation, 1915

• Permits required •Government list of owners
•Ban on possession
Soviet Union1929-1945Political opponents;

farming communities

20 millionResolutions, 1918
Decree, July 12, 1920
Art. 59 & 182, Pen. code, 1926

•Licensing of owners
•Ban on possession
•Severe penalties
Nazi Germany
& Occupied Europe

1933-1945Political opponents;
Jews; Gypsies;
critics; "examples"
20 millionLaw on Firearms & Ammun., 1928

Weapon Law, March 18, 1938
Regulations against Jews, 1938

•Registration & Licensing
•Stricter handgun laws
•Ban on possession

China, Nationalist1927-1949Political opponents;
army conscripts; others
10 million

Art. 205, Crim. Code, 1914
Art. 186-87, Crim. Code, 1935
•Government permit system
•Ban on private ownership
China, Red

1949-1952
1957-1960
1966-1976
Political opponents;
Rural populations
Enemies of the state

20-35 millionAct of Feb. 20, 1951
Act of Oct. 22, 1957
•Prison or death to "counter-revolutionary criminals" and anyone resisting any government program
•Death penalty for supply guns to such "criminals"
Guatemala1960-1981Mayans & other Indians;
political enemies
100,000-

200,000

Decree 36, Nov 25 •Act of 1932
Decree 386, 1947
Decree 283, 1964
•Register guns & owners •Licensing with high fees

•Prohibit carrying guns
•Bans on guns, sharp tools •Confiscation powers

Uganda1971-1979Christians

Political enemies

300,000Firearms Ordinance, 1955
Firearms Act, 1970
•Register all guns & owners •Licenses for transactions

•Warrantless searches •Confiscation powers

Cambodia
(Khmer Rouge)
1975-1979Educated Persons;

Political enemies

2 millionArt. 322-328, Penal Code
Royal Ordinance 55, 1938
•Licenses for guns, owners, ammunition & transactions

•Photo ID with fingerprints •License inspected quarterly

Rwanda1994Tutsi people800,000Decree-Law No. 12, 1979

•Register guns, owners, ammunition •Owners must justify
need •Concealable guns illegal •Confiscating powers

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-18   17:58:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Rotara (#1)

Wow rotara, is there a link to this anywhere? Thank you.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   10:06:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: OliviaFNewton (#26)

There is my dear !

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   10:17:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#28. To: Rotara (#27)

There is my dear !

Why thank you !!

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19 10:19:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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