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Title: OBAMA FAILS TO SALUTE THE U.S. FLAG, WON'T WEAR THE AMERICAN PIN, WEARS ISRAEL'S, REMOVES AMERICAN FLAG FROM HIS PLANE & DRESSES UP IN MUSLIM GARB
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Published: Nov 10, 2008
Author: clifylq
Post Date: 2008-12-18 18:16:44 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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OBAMA FAILS TO SALUTE THE U.S. FLAG, WON'T WEAR THE AMERICAN PIN, WEARS ISRAEL'S, REMOVES AMERICAN FLAG FROM HIS PLANE & DRESSES UP IN MUSLIM GARB I WOULD SAY THAT THIS NEW BASTARD YOU ELECTED TO OFFICE TO REPLACE BUSH IS ANTI AMERICAN WOULDN'T YOU? OR DON'T YOU EVEN CARE? Barack Obama recently finished a $500,000 total overhaul of his 757. And as part of the new design, he decided to remove the American flag from the tail. What American running for President of the United States would remove the symbol of his country? And worse, he replaced the flag with a symbol of himself.This is not the same as “forgetting” to put your hand over your heart during the national anthem. It is not even the same as wearing or not wearing an American flag lapel pin. It is a conscious, expensive decision to emphasize the importance of self over country. It is the very essence of arrogance, hubris, and, yes, megalomania. Poster Comment: Does he like "Bald Heads" too?
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#1. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
You don't actually believe any of this do you?
Did you know that the American flag on the tail is the logo for North American Airlines, and that it is required to be replaced with a candidate's personal emblem when that plane is chartered by a candidate? Now here's Obama's jet. Notice the American flag is present on the fuselage. Take a look at McCain's plane. There is NO American flag on it at all... As far as the tear jerking story about Obama not shaking hands with the troops over in Afghanistan, it'd be a bit more believable if the person was brave enough to use their name instead of hiding behind the curtain of anonymity. Anybody can "report" whatever they want when they are anonymous. I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but let's not feed into any false reports about him spread about for propaganda purposes. I'm sure there will be enough REAL info to report and to be concerned about.
I am so sorry to see Christine's site turning into a laughing stock. I have no problem with her tolerating all these cretinazis because I approve of tolerance and subjecting the lesser specimens to therapy via participation. The problem is not them being tolerated but it's them being encouraged and prodded into a frenzy of absurdities. It seems to me that Jethro Tull is allowed to help these freakish idiots destroy and discredit what used to be one of the better discussion forums South of the North Pole. Too bad.
you know, you didn't bother to flag me either. i consider your post a sucker punch. further, this forum is here strictly on my dime. i've never asked you or anyone else for a cent. my purpose in creating 4um was to provide a place free of oppressive moderation and where guests have freedom and comfort of expression. if you don't appreciate my hospitality or that which i extend to anyone else here, i invite you to find another place more satisfying or, better yet, start one of your own.
Christine, I fully understand that this site is your hobby. You might have noticed that I did state that this site used to be a good vehicle for interesting exchanges of views and ideas. I believe that all that changed when you allowed Jethro and wackos he believes are his friends - and they may be so - to encourage the replacing of discussions and debates with screams and what they believe were clever insults. What did you gain out of it: you gained intellectually challenged members of the calibers of Peppa (come and gone), someone by the name of Olivia, come and gone, some cretin who claims to be a Germ, come and gone and Jethro using your site to project his battered cop fears of darkies and encouraging his little army of insulters to be as 'offensive' as possible. The problem is that you are losing some of your more thoughtful members, and I am not including myself in that category. They are either completely gone or, if they are checking your site, occasionally, they are probably too disgusted or find the 'discussions' too boring or uninteresting to express their views, one way or another. That is how I feel myself, even though I could not count myself among the more thoughtful members. In the good old days, I used to post a dozen articles or more almost every day and there were some good discussions on some of them. Right now, I probably make contributions once or twice a week and I rarely post any new 'stuff' because there are very few worth posting for so why bother. By the way, I understand and I appreciate your effort. I know that I could not find the time to do what you do and, if I did it and I started my own forum, chances are no one would bother coming. You called what I wrote 'a sucker punch'. This is in line with the current atmosphere at your site where just about all you get is sucker punches and sub-basement-level 'humor'. My intention is not to sucker punch anyone and, if you really want to know why I wrote what I wrote on THIS thread, I will tell you. I just happened to check the latest threads at your site and I opened that thread and... I simply felt like writing something about the quality of the 'debate'. Yes, I do refer to some of the members at this site as 'cretinazis' and I probably use some other creative terms because sometimes I decide to come down to their level and see if some rudimentary exchange of ideas is possible - it's not. Calling them these fine names is probably not as low as Dr. Jethro cheerfully predicting my children's bright future or the constant torrent of idiotic insults coming from some of those I bozoed already. You know, for a long, long time I thought that the purpose of a sites like FreeRepublic was to attract all the low-lifes there so that the rest of the Internet can be a cleaner, more enlightening experience. It's possible that, as the Internet becomes increasingly crowded, the FRs and the LPs of the world are overflowing and... they are here now. Anyways, I really wish you success in pulling out from the swamp Jethro and his friends dragged you into. I suspect that there is a lot of goodwill amongst the more intelligent members to come back and improve the quality of debate here. Like I said, the issue is not kicking the idiots out, it's them being encouraged to put forward the worst of what they got instead of gently but firmly attempt to guide them back into a more rational interaction with the outside world. I remember you stating at one time, in a private email, that, while you had your own views, as the chief moderator you thought inappropriate to express them in public. I thought that was a most responsible approach. Sadly, you are no longer guided by that principle. First, you allowed your first lieutenant to openly, loudly and stridently (cop-style) express his so-called views, then you began to take sides yourself on debates where the sides were not as important as the 'tools' used to 'debate' - as in one side or both sides aiming at hurting the other side's feelings or simply show off their ugliest features and call it a debate. I understand that I am in no position to give you advice but, if I may express my view, the older approach was probably the superior one and, I believe you were running a better forum then. So, no sucker punches, just expressing some views. And, in my view, this forum looks more and more like the online version of the Jerry Springer show where the guests are running it.
ah..but yes i am. only you took it the wrong way. it's the views and opinions of you partisans that i tolerate and with whom i hold my tongue. your bias is showing, vast. i notice that it's only you and your fellow obamaphiles complaining about who and what is posted on this forum. as for your complaints about JT or the others you mentioned, take it to them. i don't speak for them. i speak for no one but myself.
Obamaphile? Complaining? I am not complaining but I do not, with some sadness, that the quality of the debate at this forum is not improving, to say it very mildly. I suppose there is some attraction in changing a debate site into an echo chamber. The outcome is, to some lesser extent because the physical proximity is absent, what you get when the loud-mouths take over the microphones and whip the mobs into some mindless frenzy. It makes for great entertainment and that is one of the reasons I still visit this site from time to time but you can't call what's happening here 'debate' or 'discussion' and claim that you are serious. As for me, 'taking up' anything with JT or his lesser screamers... are you kidding? I am having much more meaningful exchanges of ideas with my dogs.
it's obvious that you're not interested in debate, vast. there are plenty of quality articles on a variety of topics offered here on a daily basis, but you're not interested. your interest is worship of your obamamessiah and you find fault and criticize as lesser anyone who's not in line with that. i think at this point you have an agenda to damage this 4um and that your desire is to cause further dissention. you are not a person who respects individualism. your values as an american do not match mine or the purpose of Freedom4um. it's time to exercise my right to freedom of association or not. i no longer welcome you here.
Does that mean Vast is banned? I don't care for vasts views. But contrasting views are good. Either way your ok in my book.
contrasting views are one thing, but the constant arrogant expression of derision towards me, this forum and its members is quite another.
It's unacceptable. They need to start their own forum. And that goes for about 3 others that constantly whine to you our about you. this forum and its members is quite another. They have other places to go, so why don't they? AFAIK, they want to shut it down. These people are not individuals anymore. They are tools. Soldiers to usher in a fascist state. Well, screw them. Find a pleasant posting experience in a dirt pit. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=137924 ABOUT THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO Posted By: tenavision Date: Thursday, 18 December 2008, 12:55 p.m. I am re-reading again the books by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago." Each time I read them, I understand more about the way that Russia, once a Republic (like Amerika) under Czar Nicholas, decayed into a communistic dictatorship through the steps of democracy and socialism, a degeneration that is happening in Amerika right now. Remember Solzhenitsyn's warnings about the dangers of Communist aggression and the weakening of the moral fiber of the West The majority of people were what they called Socialist Revolutionaries, so when the Bolshevik revolution happened, they were labeled that way (SR's) and after the bolshevik government became cemented in Russia, in 1917-1918, Lenin started rounding up all those who protested against anything at all and began to codify the laws to fill the jails. Most SR's were sentenced under Article 58 which seemed to be all inclusive..the Russian people could be arrested for the very slightest imagined infraction, most given a "tenner" (ten years in the gulag) or even shot. Solzhenitsyn: "To put a person into 58 was the simplest of all methods of getting rid of him, to remove him quickly and forever." In the first book, (there are 3 volumes) he lists 31 ways of torture that the zeks (prisoners) went through. I will list several here and under the list, some of the things that were done to achieve those listed goals. Remember that these tortures were when the people first got arrested, even before they could be transported to the "camps" themselves. The interrogators often kept prisoners past their trial dates, even as much as a year. Many died during "interrogation." 1. All interrogations and tortures had to be done at nighttime. (more vulnerable) 2. Foul language. (dehumanizing) 3. Psychological contrasts. One interrogator friendly and the other threatening. 4. Intimidation accompanied by enticements and promises at your family. 8. The lie. The interrogators could say anything. 9. Playing on one's affections and family. 10. Sound effects to deafen the zek. 11. Light effects. Extremely bright lights in the eyes. 12. The Box. A closet or packing case they put zeks in for hours and sometimes days. 13. A divisional pit. 10 ft. in depth, 6 ft in diameter, for days, as his cell and latrine, with 10 ounces of bread and water daily. 14. Stand on the knees for up to 48 hours. 15. Deprive them of water or food. 16. Sleeplessness. 17. Continual interrogation by shifts for days and days. 18. The bedbug infested boxes. 19. Punishment cells. Using starvation and cold, the zeks were worn down to make them sign anything. 20. Intensified hunger. No food or drink for days, or only 10 ounces of bread per day for months. 21. Frequent beatings. They used rubber truncheons, rubber mallets and small sandbags. 22. Strait jackets. 23. Breaking the prisoner's back. 24. Bridling, tied up to make zeks lie on their stomach like a wheel, your spine breaking, with no food or water for 2 days. Some of the methods they used to make the prisoners do exactly what they wanted them to do were: making them lie face down in the corridors for several hours at a time, not able to raise their heads, or make a sound. Keeping a foot of icy water in the bottoms of the dungeon cells. Allowing no talking, heads down and hands clasped behind the back when going to or from anywhere.. Statements like "If you confess, you will get an easy camp instead of a death camp," interrogating with a loaded pistol on the desk, and aimed towards where the zek stood frozen at attention, "muzzles" on the windows so that there could be no fresh air come in to where they packed 200 (or more) people into a cell made for 10, and over all, the "thieves" who were part of the 'national treasure,' and could do anything to any prisoner they wanted to, including taking the best places in the cells by the windows, and the thieves always took responsibility for doling out the bread ration, eating most themselves and working with the jailers and stoolies to deprive the prisoners of everything they had of any value. Added to all the horrors, there was constant propaganda and indoctrination in the bolshevik political policies that every zek had to know. Remember, the SR's never thought they did anything bad enough to offend the police people, the GPU, KGB, CHEKA, NKVD, and all the rest of the alphabet agencies they had which I can see mirrored in Amerika right now. In Solzhenitsyn's own words, "What about the main thing in life, all it's riddles? If you want, I'll spell it out for you right now. Do not pursue what is illusory--property and position: all that is gained at the expense of your nerves decade after decade, and is confiscated in one fell night. Live with a steady superiority over life--don't be afraid of misfortune and do not yearn after happiness, it is, after all, all the same: The bitter doesn't last forever, and the sweet never fills the cup to overflowing. It is enough if you do not freeze in the cold and if thirst and hunger don't claw at your insides. If your back isn't broken, if your feet can walk, if both arms can bend, if both eyes see, and if both ears hear, then whom should you envy? And why? Our envy of others devours us most of all. Rub your eyes and purify your heart--and prize above all else in the world those who love you and who wish you well. Do not hurt them or scold them, and never part from any of them in anger; after all, you simply do not know: it might be your last act before your arrest and that will be how you are imprinted in their memory!" While reading this first book I made a small list of statements that condensed some of the information I read pertaining to the prisoners. Here is the list: Don't put people before everything else. The law is always right. Intent means action. My death today, yours tomorrow. Nobody cares except you. You must give your corpse or your labor. To win you must lose. Cheap goods are more expensive. Suicide is submission. My intent in gathering and writing this information is to share with the people of Amerika what happened in their sister nation, Russia, during the takeover by the bolshevik communists in 1917. The details may be different for when the Amerikan gulag comes into full flower, but the feelings are the same. Solzhenitsyn later tried to get figures for the murdered and according to some of the official records, 65 million people were destroyed in the gulag. And the gulag of Russia is still operant today. They have become addicted to slave labor. It is impossible for me to convey to others how intense must have been the psychological pressures upon the zeks when they were called out of a bed made of boards (after 18 hours of hard labor,) to stand outside in the bitter cold and snow, and be counted and recounted and then taken outside the camp into the forest to be shot by a drunken group of guards as sport for them. What will happen in Amerika? How many will die? tena
#69. To: OliviaFNewton (#68)
Very powerful. I'm taking some time to re-read both that and Creature from Jekyll Island again here soon.
Somebody ought to pin Dubya down and force him to read this, he needs to know what real compassion is all about and to rethink his fantasy of changing communist china by letting their crap be imported here. As for Obama, he has no soul and will be the downfall of what is left of America.
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#3. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#2)
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#13. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)
#28. To: christine (#13)
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#35. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#28)
I remember you stating at one time, in a private email, that, while you had your own views, as the chief moderator you thought inappropriate to express them in public. I thought that was a most responsible approach. Sadly, you are no longer guided by that principle.
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#55. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#42)
It makes for great entertainment and that is one of the reasons I still visit this site from time to time but you can't call what's happening here 'debate' or 'discussion' and claim that you are serious.
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#66. To: Old Friend, randge, Jethro Tull, PSUSA, a vast rightwing conspirator, OliviaFNewton, Rotara, ALL (#58)
#68. To: christine (#66)
arrogant expression of derision towards me
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#78. To: OliviaFNewton (#68)
"What about the main thing in life, all it's riddles? If you want, I'll spell it out for you right now. Do not pursue what is illusory--property and position: all that is gained at the expense of your nerves decade after decade, and is confiscated in one fell night. Live with a steady superiority over life--don't be afraid of misfortune and do not yearn after happiness, it is, after all, all the same: The bitter doesn't last forever, and the sweet never fills the cup to overflowing. It is enough if you do not freeze in the cold and if thirst and hunger don't claw at your insides. If your back isn't broken, if your feet can walk, if both arms can bend, if both eyes see, and if both ears hear, then whom should you envy? And why? Our envy of others devours us most of all. Rub your eyes and purify your heart--and prize above all else in the world those who love you and who wish you well. Do not hurt them or scold them, and never part from any of them in anger; after all, you simply do not know: it might be your last act before your arrest and that will be how you are imprinted in their memory!"
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