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Title: OBAMA FAILS TO SALUTE THE U.S. FLAG, WON'T WEAR THE AMERICAN PIN, WEARS ISRAEL'S, REMOVES AMERICAN FLAG FROM HIS PLANE & DRESSES UP IN MUSLIM GARB
Source: supportbordercontrols.blogspot.com
URL Source: http://supportbordercontrols.blogsp ... e-us-flag-wont-wear.html#links
Published: Nov 10, 2008
Author: clifylq
Post Date: 2008-12-18 18:16:44 by Itisa1mosttoolate
Keywords: None
Views: 2934
Comments: 246

OBAMA FAILS TO SALUTE THE U.S. FLAG, WON'T WEAR THE AMERICAN PIN, WEARS ISRAEL'S, REMOVES AMERICAN FLAG FROM HIS PLANE & DRESSES UP IN MUSLIM GARB

I WOULD SAY THAT THIS NEW BASTARD YOU ELECTED TO OFFICE TO REPLACE BUSH IS ANTI AMERICAN WOULDN'T YOU? OR DON'T YOU EVEN CARE?

Barack Obama recently finished a $500,000 total overhaul of his 757. And as part of the new design, he decided to remove the American flag from the tail. What American running for President of the United States would remove the symbol of his country? And worse, he replaced the flag with a symbol of himself.This is not the same as “forgetting” to put your hand over your heart during the national anthem. It is not even the same as wearing or not wearing an American flag lapel pin. It is a conscious, expensive decision to emphasize the importance of self over country. It is the very essence of arrogance, hubris, and, yes, megalomania.

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#1. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

You don't actually believe any of this do you?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-12-18   18:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: FormerLurker (#1)

real-debt-elimination

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-12-18   18:36:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#2)

Did you know that the American flag on the tail is the logo for North American Airlines, and that it is required to be replaced with a candidate's personal emblem when that plane is chartered by a candidate?

Now here's Obama's jet. Notice the American flag is present on the fuselage.

Take a look at McCain's plane. There is NO American flag on it at all...

As far as the tear jerking story about Obama not shaking hands with the troops over in Afghanistan, it'd be a bit more believable if the person was brave enough to use their name instead of hiding behind the curtain of anonymity. Anybody can "report" whatever they want when they are anonymous.

I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but let's not feed into any false reports about him spread about for propaganda purposes. I'm sure there will be enough REAL info to report and to be concerned about.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-12-18   19:03:36 ET  (4 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

BTW, that picture embedded in your article is a pretty cheesy Photoshop job. Whoever did it must not have been trying too hard to be taken seriously.

VS the real thing...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-12-18   19:10:13 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

reminds me too much of

I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
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Critter  posted on  2008-12-18   21:03:16 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: FormerLurker (#3)

I am so sorry to see Christine's site turning into a laughing stock.

I have no problem with her tolerating all these cretinazis because I approve of tolerance and subjecting the lesser specimens to therapy via participation. The problem is not them being tolerated but it's them being encouraged and prodded into a frenzy of absurdities. It seems to me that Jethro Tull is allowed to help these freakish idiots destroy and discredit what used to be one of the better discussion forums South of the North Pole.

Too bad.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-12-18   22:42:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)

You have a point.

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tom007  posted on  2008-12-18   22:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)

what used to be one of the better discussion forums South of the North Pole.

It falls on deaf ears.

angle  posted on  2008-12-18   22:47:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: angle (#8)

It falls on deaf ears.

We haven't drank the Obama Kool-Ade like you have. Sorry.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-18   22:57:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6) (Edited)

i see your comment is directed to FL and i assume then since he replied to itisa1mosttoolate that you are referring to iiatl as a cretinazi? and tell me please, why would you mention JT here when he had not posted to this thread?

christine  posted on  2008-12-18   23:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)

why don't you name names? who have i encouraged and prodded into a frenzy of absurdities? who are the freakish idiots?

christine  posted on  2008-12-18   23:14:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: tom007 (#7)

You have a point.

what point do you think vast has made, tom?

christine  posted on  2008-12-18   23:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)

you know, you didn't bother to flag me either. i consider your post a sucker punch. further, this forum is here strictly on my dime. i've never asked you or anyone else for a cent. my purpose in creating 4um was to provide a place free of oppressive moderation and where guests have freedom and comfort of expression. if you don't appreciate my hospitality or that which i extend to anyone else here, i invite you to find another place more satisfying or, better yet, start one of your own.

christine  posted on  2008-12-19   0:15:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: christine (#13)

christine, let me use this parable:

Even the Four Seasons Hotel has an obnoxious customer stagger into the bar on occasion, it's no reflection upon the proprietor of the establishment.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-19   2:13:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)

The problem is not them being tolerated but it's them being encouraged and prodded into a frenzy of absurdities. It seems to me that Jethro Tull is allowed to help these freakish idiots destroy and discredit what used to be one of the better discussion forums South of the North Pole.

1st, Obama is the largest absurdity to hit the U.S. and National prominence in at least a hundred years, maybe ever. That being said, you insinuate that Christine has promoted or encouraged a frenzy of freakish idiots attacking your poor political choice but you say nothing of her tolerating your exuberant ignorance in support of this unknown negroe, communist, change agent.

You have an ungrateful attitude with respect to your own unfettered ability to freely publish nonsense in support of Hussein, and feel no shame when disrespecting someone elses opinion and on top of not being satisfied with debate you slander the forum's host.

Sometimes people are just too fucking stupid to have dialogue with and you are the epitomy of this condition. Which element of the socialist agenda do you represent moron ? Are you a commie, a queer, a gun grabber, an atheist, or like most voters for the changer (as opposed to the decider) just too fucking stupid.

This "so called election" is proof positive that mob rule is the most wicked of political systems and you do your part in proving this by showing up for the asshole faction of the socialist party.

It baffles me to see anyone arguing these candidates qualifications or qualities since none of the candidates have shown any interest in bettering the country by stopping the illegal invasion, locking up the Wall Street thugs, eliminating the "fed" or ending the fucking war ... but your boy did at least lie about that part. Goody for him.

If you want to debate flags on airplanes or even pledging "allegiance" to the flag that these traitors operate under that's OK by me, but to lash out at someone for hosting a website made available even to the retarded such as yourself is really uncalled for.

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2008-12-19   2:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: X-15, christine (#14)

Even the Four Seasons Hotel has an obnoxious customer stagger into the bar on occasion, it's no reflection upon the proprietor of the establishment.

Amen!


Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who

farmfriend  posted on  2008-12-19   2:36:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: noone222 (#15)


Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who

farmfriend  posted on  2008-12-19   2:49:52 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: farmfriend (#17)

You're too kind !

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2008-12-19   3:06:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: noone222 (#15)

With the war against Israel's enemies in the Middle East, Black Obama, not to mention wretched, third-world invasion of immigrants crossing our borders, god's pets have made a nightmare of the the American Dream. Folks who come on public forums and praise this nonsense--I call it national suicide--belong in the madhouse.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2008-12-19   3:23:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: noone222, a vast rightwing conspirator, christine, all (#15)

...to lash out at someone for hosting a website made available even to the retarded such as yourself is really uncalled for...

Well said.


"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all

wudidiz  posted on  2008-12-19   3:27:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Zoroaster (#19)

Folks who come on public forums and praise this nonsense--I call it national suicide--belong in the madhouse.

Amen to that !!!!!

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2008-12-19   4:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: wudidiz (#20)

I appreciate the compliment.

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2008-12-19   5:07:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

I could do a better Photoshop than that with my left hand.

Republicans believe in abortion -- they just wait until they're born and then call them 'collateral damage'.

Turtle  posted on  2008-12-19   5:10:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Turtle (#23)

I could do a better Photoshop than that with my left hand.

Such a talented turtle. What else can you do with your left hand?


Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who

farmfriend  posted on  2008-12-19   5:13:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: farmfriend (#24)

What else can you do with your left hand?

Turtle is schocked! Shocked, I tell you! Shocked!

Your evil little mind is as pure as the driven slush!

Republicans believe in abortion -- they just wait until they're born and then call them 'collateral damage'.

Turtle  posted on  2008-12-19   5:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull, angle, tom007, a vast rightwing conspirator (#9)

We haven't drank the Obama Kool-Ade like you have. Sorry.

angle, tom & a east european communist butt boy:

Life's a bitch when you blow your cover, ain't it you fucking Traitors ?

Kool-Aid does that.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   8:01:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: noone222 (#15)

World Communists: Fucking things up for as long as I can remember.

Exile or Termination.

I don't really care anymore.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   8:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine (#13) (Edited)

Christine,

I fully understand that this site is your hobby. You might have noticed that I did state that this site used to be a good vehicle for interesting exchanges of views and ideas. I believe that all that changed when you allowed Jethro and wackos he believes are his friends - and they may be so - to encourage the replacing of discussions and debates with screams and what they believe were clever insults.

What did you gain out of it: you gained intellectually challenged members of the calibers of Peppa (come and gone), someone by the name of Olivia, come and gone, some cretin who claims to be a Germ, come and gone and Jethro using your site to project his battered cop fears of darkies and encouraging his little army of insulters to be as 'offensive' as possible.

The problem is that you are losing some of your more thoughtful members, and I am not including myself in that category. They are either completely gone or, if they are checking your site, occasionally, they are probably too disgusted or find the 'discussions' too boring or uninteresting to express their views, one way or another. That is how I feel myself, even though I could not count myself among the more thoughtful members. In the good old days, I used to post a dozen articles or more almost every day and there were some good discussions on some of them. Right now, I probably make contributions once or twice a week and I rarely post any new 'stuff' because there are very few worth posting for so why bother.

By the way, I understand and I appreciate your effort. I know that I could not find the time to do what you do and, if I did it and I started my own forum, chances are no one would bother coming. You called what I wrote 'a sucker punch'. This is in line with the current atmosphere at your site where just about all you get is sucker punches and sub-basement-level 'humor'.

My intention is not to sucker punch anyone and, if you really want to know why I wrote what I wrote on THIS thread, I will tell you. I just happened to check the latest threads at your site and I opened that thread and... I simply felt like writing something about the quality of the 'debate'. Yes, I do refer to some of the members at this site as 'cretinazis' and I probably use some other creative terms because sometimes I decide to come down to their level and see if some rudimentary exchange of ideas is possible - it's not. Calling them these fine names is probably not as low as Dr. Jethro cheerfully predicting my children's bright future or the constant torrent of idiotic insults coming from some of those I bozoed already.

You know, for a long, long time I thought that the purpose of a sites like FreeRepublic was to attract all the low-lifes there so that the rest of the Internet can be a cleaner, more enlightening experience. It's possible that, as the Internet becomes increasingly crowded, the FRs and the LPs of the world are overflowing and... they are here now.

Anyways, I really wish you success in pulling out from the swamp Jethro and his friends dragged you into. I suspect that there is a lot of goodwill amongst the more intelligent members to come back and improve the quality of debate here. Like I said, the issue is not kicking the idiots out, it's them being encouraged to put forward the worst of what they got instead of gently but firmly attempt to guide them back into a more rational interaction with the outside world.

I remember you stating at one time, in a private email, that, while you had your own views, as the chief moderator you thought inappropriate to express them in public. I thought that was a most responsible approach. Sadly, you are no longer guided by that principle. First, you allowed your first lieutenant to openly, loudly and stridently (cop-style) express his so-called views, then you began to take sides yourself on debates where the sides were not as important as the 'tools' used to 'debate' - as in one side or both sides aiming at hurting the other side's feelings or simply show off their ugliest features and call it a debate. I understand that I am in no position to give you advice but, if I may express my view, the older approach was probably the superior one and, I believe you were running a better forum then.

So, no sucker punches, just expressing some views. And, in my view, this forum looks more and more like the online version of the Jerry Springer show where the guests are running it.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-12-19   8:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#28)

I believe that all that changed when you allowed Jethro and wackos he believes are his friends - and they may be so - to encourage the replacing of discussions and debates with screams and what they believe were clever insults.

Show me how and where this began. And why would you suggest that christine "allowed" me to do this?

#2. To: freepatriot32 (#0) (Edited)

If a Namibian cereal killer and part-time French prostitute sinned with Osama's step son and then came to the States illegally and gave birth to a blind dog on the second day of her illegal stay, that blind dog would be, by current law, a natural born citizen of the United States.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator posted on 2008-12-13

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Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-19   8:26:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Christine (#28)

I remember you stating at one time, in a private email, that, while you had your own views, as the chief moderator you thought inappropriate to express them in public. I thought that was a most responsible approach. Sadly, you are no longer guided by that principle.

I hope she sucks it up and tells you Traitors what she really thinks.

You lowlife JBT licking tool.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   8:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull (#29)

encourage the replacing of discussions and debates with

The many decades of running down their rabbit trails with them are over.

Let them mentally masturbate amongst themselves, somewhere more befitting the bat shit crazy lunatics. Like DUmpster.

They've appealed to the lowest common lowlife denominator and jawed their boy into the selection.

Fuck'em.

They won the battle and we're going to win the war.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   8:42:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: christine, Jethro Tull (#12)

what point do you think vast has made, tom?

The hotel analogy seems good, seems like a few freaks are pissing on the carpets here.

I don't think JT has anything to do with it tho.

That said, I have a thick skin, and the babellings of a few scatological pin heads are but dust in the wind.

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tom007  posted on  2008-12-19   8:43:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull, Christine, All (#29)

to encourage the replacing of discussions and debates with screams and what they believe were clever insults.

But they dont want discussions or debates. They want people to agree with them that black is white and up is down. When resistance is met, they bitch and moan that we unplugged are oh so stupid not to believe them.

Look at the Bright Side, obamatards. Your man takes office in 1 month. You think things will be all peachy, I say you are going to get royally reamed.

All-in bets are on the table, river card is dealt, we'll see the cards shortly.

Let's see who is right. Will it be the obamatards, or us country bumpkins.

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PSUSA  posted on  2008-12-19   8:57:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: PSUSA, Rotara, tom007, all (#33)

But they dont want discussions or debates. They want people to agree with them that black is white and up is down.

Early on in the Obama campaign, it became obvious that many of our fellow Bush Bashers were Democrats. Whereas we thought, all along, that they were opposed to big, bloated, socialistic government, in truth they thought all that was needed was for a Democrat to ascend to the throne. That is the core of the differences we have; they believe in government as long as it's Democrat controlled, and most others here reject government regardless of who is president.

#2. To: freepatriot32 (#0) (Edited)

If a Namibian cereal killer and part-time French prostitute sinned with Osama's step son and then came to the States illegally and gave birth to a blind dog on the second day of her illegal stay, that blind dog would be, by current law, a natural born citizen of the United States.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator posted on 2008-12-13

16:18:07 ET Reply Trace Private

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-19   9:31:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#28)

I remember you stating at one time, in a private email, that, while you had your own views, as the chief moderator you thought inappropriate to express them in public. I thought that was a most responsible approach. Sadly, you are no longer guided by that principle.

ah..but yes i am. only you took it the wrong way. it's the views and opinions of you partisans that i tolerate and with whom i hold my tongue. your bias is showing, vast. i notice that it's only you and your fellow obamaphiles complaining about who and what is posted on this forum.

as for your complaints about JT or the others you mentioned, take it to them. i don't speak for them. i speak for no one but myself.

christine  posted on  2008-12-19   9:35:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Jethro Tull, PSUSA (#34) (Edited)

But they dont want discussions or debates. They want people to agree with them that black is white and up is down.

Early on in the Obama campaign, it became obvious that many of our fellow Bush Bashers were Democrats. Whereas we thought, all along, that they were opposed to big, bloated, socialistic government, in truth they thought all that was needed was for a Democrat to ascend to the throne. That is the core of the differences we have; they believe in government as long as it's Democrat controlled, and most others here reject government regardless of who is president.

Obingo

They were 'friends' and 'patriots' when it was a republicrat brand we were all bashing.

They suckered us, but we also let them.

As PSUSA pointed out so well; I have long ago given up playing their game.

They WILL NOT walk away laughing. That I guarantee.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   9:37:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: PSUSA (#33)

They want people to agree with them that black is white and up is down.

They sure got a lot of suckers, rubes, twits and suckers (did I say suckers already) to go along with their double think.

Pure communist jew program.

Now we have Obamalamadingdong, the golden calf jews' best friend.

TO HELL with the Globalist feudalistic commie NeoCon leninist trotskyite scum !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   9:42:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#28)

. You might have noticed that I did state that this site used to be a good vehicle for interesting exchanges of views and ideas.

It still is you enemy of free speech. You see good people just don't like you evil folk. You are the enemy so get used to it.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-12-19   9:48:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Jethro Tull (#28)

The problem is that you are losing some of your more thoughtful members, and I am not including myself in that category. They are either completely gone or, if they are checking your site, occasionally, they are probably too disgusted or find the 'discussions' too boring or uninteresting to express their views, one way or another.

You can't suck up to people. Let people say what they want. I have made that mistake. Hey Jethro sorry for ***ing out your nigger word.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-12-19   9:51:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Christine (#28)

I remember you stating at one time, in a private email, that, while you had your own views, as the chief moderator you thought inappropriate to express them in public

That is smart. I wish I would have done that way back when.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-12-19   9:53:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jethro Tull, Rotara, All (#34) (Edited)

That is the core of the differences we have; they believe in government as long as it's Democrat controlled, and most others here reject government regardless of who is president.

That's why I like this board. It's not for debate because boards are a poor for debating, but for fellowship even if it is a "make believe" interenet world.

While there are disagreements we handle them like grown men and women and state why we disagree. There is never any hard feelings. At least none that I can see.

I agree in that it is the partisan political people that stir up the shit here. Now its the democrats. In 4 years or less (if we last that long...) it will be the republicans doing the shit-stirring. I wonder which current members that will be... or will there be an invasion?

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PSUSA  posted on  2008-12-19   9:54:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: christine (#35)

Obamaphile? Complaining?

I am not complaining but I do not, with some sadness, that the quality of the debate at this forum is not improving, to say it very mildly. I suppose there is some attraction in changing a debate site into an echo chamber. The outcome is, to some lesser extent because the physical proximity is absent, what you get when the loud-mouths take over the microphones and whip the mobs into some mindless frenzy. It makes for great entertainment and that is one of the reasons I still visit this site from time to time but you can't call what's happening here 'debate' or 'discussion' and claim that you are serious.

As for me, 'taking up' anything with JT or his lesser screamers... are you kidding? I am having much more meaningful exchanges of ideas with my dogs.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-12-19   10:05:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#28)

freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/index.cgi

The mission of this forum is to provide a cyberspace meeting place where lovers of individual freedom can gather to post articles and opinions about the world's events and how these events affect their unalienable rights to life, liberty, and property.

One of our fundamental rights is that of our right to freedom of association. The correlative right to freedom of association is the equally important right to freedom of non-association. Yes, the right to NOT associate -- to exclude people from our interrelationships, for any reason, based on personal preference, is also a fundamental right. This right should be free from government interference, coercion, policies, statutes, rules, regulations, codes, or force.

Another fundamental right is the right to private property -- to own and enjoy our property free from government or second-party interference, as long as one's use of that property does not trespass on the equal rights of another.

Consistent with these two fundamental unalienable rights, this forum constitutes the private property of its owners and, as such, allows for the exercise of our right to freedom of association and freedom of non-association, based on our preferences. Therefore, regarding banning policies of this forum, as they relate to the protection of private property, the owners reserve the right to suspend or terminate the posting privileges of guests on this forum at our discretion.

That said, we will endeavor to use this discretion judiciously while being mindful of not allowing guests to post on this forum who, we believe, are detrimental to the goals and values consistent with that of individual liberty.

christine  posted on  2008-12-19   10:10:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#42)

I am not complaining but I do not, with some sadness, that the quality of the debate at this forum is not improving, to say it very mildly.

Lets debate.

Tell me who Obama has appointed to his cabinet that will make a difference in our present political system?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-19   10:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Jethro Tull, a vast rightwing conspirator (#44)

Title: Change? Obama Inner Circle Filled With Bilderbergers
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/obama_bilderbergers_160.html

Published: Dec 16, 2008
Author: Victor Thorn
Post Date: 2008-12-16 23:59:22 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 52

Comments: 3

FOR TWO YEARS, Americans have heard an unrelenting mantra of change emanating from the campaign trail. But now that President-elect Barack Obama has begun forming his cabinet, we’re seeing a cadre of more deeply entrenched insiders than any administration that has preceded it.

In regard to key foreign policy advisors, all three of Obama’s selections either initially supported the Iraq war, or still do. On the economic front, each appointee maintains a close relationship with the Jewish triad of Ben Bernanke, Robert Rubin and Alan Greenspan—as well as bailout engineer Henry Paulson. Barack Obama himself is a Council on Foreign Relations member, has strong ties to Zbigniew Brzezinski, and participated in a clandestine meeting with Hillary Clinton at Bilderberg member Diane Feinstein’s house at the time when 2008 Bilderberg members were congregating only a few miles away.

Below is an overview of Obama’s top 14 selections to date. When considering their collective histories, a trend becomes clear, proving that the more things change under Obama, the more they stay the same.

1. TIMOTHY GEITHNER – TREASURY SECRETARY

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, president and CEO of Federal Reserve Bank of New York, director of policy development for IMF, member Group of Thirty (G30), employed at Kissinger & Associates, architect of the recent 2008 financial bailouts, mentored by Lawrence Summers and Robert Rubin.

2. PAUL VOLCKER – ECONOMIC RECOVERY ADVISORY BOARD

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, North American chairman of Trilateral Commission, Federal Reserve chairman during Carter and Reagan administrations, president of Federal Reserve Bank of New York, G30 member, chairman Rothschild Wolfensohn Company, key figure in the collapse of the gold standard during the Nixon administration, longtime associate of the Rockefeller family.

3. RAHM EMANUEL – CHIEF OF STAFF

Member of Israeli Defense Force, staunch Zionist, senator, Board of Directors for Freddie Mac, member of Bill Clinton’s finance campaign committee, made $16.2 million during 2.5 years as an investment banker for Wasserstein Perella. His father was a member of the Israeli Irgun terrorist group.

4. LAWRENCE SUMMERS – NATIONAL ECONOMIC COUNCIL

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, treasury secretary during Clinton administration, chief economist at World Bank, former president of Harvard University, Brookings Institute board member, huge proponent of globalization while working for the IMF, protŠ01; of David Rockefeller, mentored by Robert Rubin.

5. DAVID AXELROD – SENIOR ADVISOR

Political consultant whose past clients include Sens. Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Christopher Dodd; main Obama fixer in the William Ayers and Reverend Wright scandals.

6. HILLARY CLINTON – SECRETARY OF STATE

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, clandestine CIA asset used to infiltrate the anti-war movement at Yale University and the Watergate hearings, senior partner at the Rose Law Firm, key figure in the Mena drug trafficking affair, architect of the Waco disaster, implicated in the murder/ cover-up of Vince Foster, and many other deaths.

7. JOSEPH BIDEN – VICE PRESIDENT

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, U.S. Senator since 1972, member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, current chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, strong Zionist sympathizer who recently told Rabbi Mark S. Golub of Shalom TV, “I am a Zionist. You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist.”

8. BILL RICHARDSON – COMMERCE SECRETARY

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, former U.S. congressman, chairman of the Democratic National Convention in 2004, employee of Kissinger Associates, UN ambassador, governor of New Mexico, energy secretary, major player in the Monica Lewinsky cover-up with Bilderberg luminary Vernon Jordan.

9. ROBERT GATES – DEFENSE SECRETARY

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, former CIA Director, defense secretary under President Bush, co-chaired CFR task force with Zbigniew Brzezinski, knee-deep in the Iran-Contra scandal, named in a 1999 class action lawsuit pertaining to the Mena drug trafficking affair.

10. TOM DASCHLE – HEALTH SECRETARY

Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, former Senate majority leader, Citibank lackey, mentored by Robert Rubin.

11. ERIC HOLDER – ATTORNEY GENERAL

Key person in the pardon of racketeer Marc Rich, deputy attorney general under Janet Reno, facilitated the pardon of 16 Puerto Rican FALN terrorists under Bill Clinton.

12. JANET NAPOLITANO – HOMELAND SECURITY DIRECTOR

Council on Foreign Relations, Arizona governor, attorney for Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas hearings, U.S. attorney during the Clinton administration, instrumental in the OKC cover-up, where she declared, “We’ll pursue every bit of evidence and every lead,” described as another Janet Reno, soft on illegal immigration (i.e. pro-amnesty and drivers licenses to illegals).

13. GEN. JAMES L. JONES – NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR

Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, European supreme allied commander, special envoy for Middle-East Security during Bush administration, board of directors for Chevron and Boeing, NATO commander, member of Brent Scowcroft’s Institute for International Affairs along with Zbigniew Brzezinski, Bobby Ray Inman, Bilderberg luminary Henry Kissinger and former CIA Director John Deutch.

14. SUSAN RICE – U.N. AMBASSADOR

Council on Foreign Relations, Rhodes scholar, campaign foreign policy advisor to presidential candidates John Kerry and Michael Dukakis, member of Bill Clinton’s National Security Council and assistant secretary of state for Africa, member of the Brookings Institute (funded by the Ford Foundation and the Rockefellers), and member of the Aspen Strategy Group (teeming with Bilderberg insiders such as Richard Armitage, Brent Scowcroft, and Madeleine Albright).

For a reference point. This is always a waste of time with these fucking Traitorous clowns, but what the hell. I have some time to kill today.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   10:28:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: ALL (#45)

Obama’s top 14 selections to date.

There has never been a larger collection of America hating world socialist illegal shadow government Traitors in history !!!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   10:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Rotara (#46)

Good luck with the small band of leftists who remain. Their work here isn't quite finished.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-19   10:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Jethro Tull (#47)

Good luck with the small band of leftists who remain. Their work here isn't quite finished.

I'm tired of their evil shell game.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   10:44:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull (#44)

LOL - sorry friend. You may not have figured this out but I'm not handcuffed and you are not in the position to question anybody.

Anyways, your interesting (while bizarre) attempt at 'debate' is a good illustration of the problems a forum like this one faces when the likes of you drag it into a ditch - or is it a crevasse? - where mindlessness and low-grade profanity prevail. It's not so easy to pull it out of there.

So, good luck managing your echo chamber.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-12-19   10:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#42)

I am having much more meaningful exchanges of ideas with my dogs.

You are welcome to repair to your kennel, sir, where you may lecture your hapless pets by the hour on the virtues of the Chosen One and the sins of the unwashed. I think it would be far kinder to feed them a treat or take them for a walk.

Now that the constitutional butchery of the outgoing administration is coming to an end and that empty suit of yours comes into office, we hear nary a peep about the "Patriot" Act, the Presidential Decision Directives, the warrantless wiretaps, or the war toward which this man offered a token and totally false oppostion manufactured to lure the gullible to the voting place.

"Then, as I paid more attention to him and I learned more about him AND as I saw the despicable monsters he was fighting on both the Demo and the GOP sides, I understood that, as far as the presidency of the state is concerned, he was 'it'.

As much as my prediction could make the sissy stoopids roll on the floor, shaking and foam at their foul mouths, I see Obama as a the fifth Mt. Rushmore figure, in about 50 years."

Well, now we have "it," and it looks like all the awful machinery of executive oppression erected by George II remains locked in place. The people's champion has damned little to say about it.

You seem to have an affinity for the canine, and the Obamas are shopping for the obligatory White House pet. Why don't you request an application??

randge  posted on  2008-12-19   10:59:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: randge (#50)

Salute...

Very well done.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-12-19   11:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: randge (#50)

You are welcome to repair to your kennel, sir, where you may lecture your hapless pets by the hour on the virtues of the Chosen One and the sins of the unwashed. I think it would be far kinder to feed them a treat or take them for a walk.

Now that the constitutional butchery of the outgoing administration is coming to an end and that empty suit of yours comes into office, we hear nary a peep about the "Patriot" Act, the Presidential Decision Directives, the warrantless wiretaps, or the war toward which this man offered a token and totally false oppostion manufactured to lure the gullible to the voting place.

"Then, as I paid more attention to him and I learned more about him AND as I saw the despicable monsters he was fighting on both the Demo and the GOP sides, I understood that, as far as the presidency of the state is concerned, he was 'it'.

As much as my prediction could make the sissy stoopids roll on the floor, shaking and foam at their foul mouths, I see Obama as a the fifth Mt. Rushmore figure, in about 50 years."

Well, now we have "it," and it looks like all the awful machinery of executive oppression erected by George II remains locked in place. The people's champion has damned little to say about it.

You seem to have an affinity for the canine, and the Obamas are shopping for the obligatory White House pet. Why don't you request an application??

Sweeeeet. LOL!

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   11:03:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#49)

You may not have figured this out but I'm not handcuffed and you are not in the position to question anybody.

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!

You're handcuffed by your own beliefs.

Lose-Lose-Loser situation for you.

This is why no American has anything to say to you.

GOOD GRIEF - I seriously can't wait for the million moron Ocorps to hit my hood.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   11:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#49)

the problems a forum like this one faces when the likes of you drag it into a ditch

Traitor.

You Traitors couldn't bamboozle with b.s. anymore so you ran for communist climes.

GFY commie.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   11:06:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#42)

It makes for great entertainment and that is one of the reasons I still visit this site from time to time but you can't call what's happening here 'debate' or 'discussion' and claim that you are serious.

it's obvious that you're not interested in debate, vast. there are plenty of quality articles on a variety of topics offered here on a daily basis, but you're not interested. your interest is worship of your obamamessiah and you find fault and criticize as lesser anyone who's not in line with that.

i think at this point you have an agenda to damage this 4um and that your desire is to cause further dissention.

you are not a person who respects individualism. your values as an american do not match mine or the purpose of Freedom4um. it's time to exercise my right to freedom of association or not. i no longer welcome you here.

christine  posted on  2008-12-19   11:10:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Rotara (#54)

He must be on the payroll.

A self-respecting human being wouldn't countenance coming here to be kicked in the teeth on a regular basis, day after day with nothing to show for it.

randge  posted on  2008-12-19   11:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: randge (#50)

Bra-Vo !!

I see Obama as a the fifth Mt. Rushmore figure, in about 50 years."

Holy crap. Mental Disorder is not even close to the depth of issue here !

"Obama take care of my family!" ~jumper

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   11:11:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: christine (#55)

Does that mean Vast is banned? I don't care for vasts views. But contrasting views are good. Either way your ok in my book.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-12-19   11:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: christine (#55)

Don't do it, Christine.

These Obamalings and their allies serve a valuable function.

They return time and time again, like moths to a candle, and regularly get their asses kicked because facts and the truth are not on their side.

randge  posted on  2008-12-19   11:14:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: randge (#56)

He must be on the payroll.

I think their new ObamaCorp Internet Patrol tights (green of course) with built in kneepads, came in. He had to try them out.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   11:15:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: randge (#56)

He must be on the payroll.

A self-respecting human being wouldn't countenance coming here to be kicked in the teeth on a regular basis, day after day with nothing to show for it.

I just had an interesting exchange offline about that subject and that poster.

All I can say is 'very enlightening' has been this final selection season.

We know we're there for many reasons, but one tip off was when all the Traitors took off their masks.

Their arrogance gave them away (along with their hatred for the Constitution - including RKBA).

In the next run at it, no voting for people dependent on the corp.gov tit. For starters

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   11:16:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#49)

LOL - sorry friend. You may not have figured this out but I'm not handcuffed and you are not in the position to question anybody.

OK, I think I have this straight. You cry to christine that I am stifling debate and when you are challenged to defend Obingo, you take a pass. I'm not sure everyone else gets your act, but it's quite simple; the little leftist cell you're part of is still active, albeit much smaller. It can now be said with certainty that the attempt to cobble together a forum that welcomed Ds and others in civil discourse was a failure. The only problem I have is that I learned late in the game some your kin were Ds. Now that you've been exposed as a Kerry/Obama socialist pawn all anyone with a political independent streak needs to know about your governmental view is that it supports a bloated, dying government. Since you can't defend your god, or his appointments, it's you who insults and runs, not me. Your MO is now classic disruption. You're lucky I have no say in who stays or goes on this forum. If I did your ass would be out the door yesterday. That said, I urge you to find a more pleasant posting experience. One where your positions won't be challenged.

PS: Gear up your little Pennsylvania archers. They'll be needed in Obama's civilian peace corps :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-19   11:19:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: OliviaFNewton (#60)

It took Obamalamadingdong..

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   11:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Rotara (#63)

I think the shoes make the outfit.

I liked when things were fun!

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   11:29:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: OliviaFNewton (#64)

LOL !!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   11:34:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Old Friend, randge, Jethro Tull, PSUSA, a vast rightwing conspirator, OliviaFNewton, Rotara, ALL (#58)

contrasting views are one thing, but the constant arrogant expression of derision towards me, this forum and its members is quite another.

christine  posted on  2008-12-19   11:35:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Christine (#66)

the constant arrogant expression of derision towards me, this forum and its members is quite another.

You damned patriots are all the same ! ;-)

BTW that hitler video up there has me in stitches over here.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   11:39:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: christine (#66)

arrogant expression of derision towards me

It's unacceptable. They need to start their own forum. And that goes for about 3 others that constantly whine to you our about you.

this forum and its members is quite another.

They have other places to go, so why don't they?

AFAIK, they want to shut it down. These people are not individuals anymore. They are tools. Soldiers to usher in a fascist state. Well, screw them. Find a pleasant posting experience in a dirt pit.


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ABOUT THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO

Posted By: tenavision Date: Thursday, 18 December 2008, 12:55 p.m. I am re-reading again the books by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago." Each time I read them, I understand more about the way that Russia, once a Republic (like Amerika) under Czar Nicholas, decayed into a communistic dictatorship through the steps of democracy and socialism, a degeneration that is happening in Amerika right now. Remember Solzhenitsyn's warnings about the dangers of Communist aggression and the weakening of the moral fiber of the West

The majority of people were what they called Socialist Revolutionaries, so when the Bolshevik revolution happened, they were labeled that way (SR's) and after the bolshevik government became cemented in Russia, in 1917-1918, Lenin started rounding up all those who protested against anything at all and began to codify the laws to fill the jails. Most SR's were sentenced under Article 58 which seemed to be all inclusive..the Russian people could be arrested for the very slightest imagined infraction, most given a "tenner" (ten years in the gulag) or even shot.

Solzhenitsyn: "To put a person into 58 was the simplest of all methods of getting rid of him, to remove him quickly and forever."

In the first book, (there are 3 volumes) he lists 31 ways of torture that the zeks (prisoners) went through. I will list several here and under the list, some of the things that were done to achieve those listed goals. Remember that these tortures were when the people first got arrested, even before they could be transported to the "camps" themselves. The interrogators often kept prisoners past their trial dates, even as much as a year. Many died during "interrogation."

1. All interrogations and tortures had to be done at nighttime. (more vulnerable) 2. Foul language. (dehumanizing) 3. Psychological contrasts. One interrogator friendly and the other threatening. 4. Intimidation accompanied by enticements and promises at your family. 8. The lie. The interrogators could say anything. 9. Playing on one's affections and family. 10. Sound effects to deafen the zek. 11. Light effects. Extremely bright lights in the eyes. 12. The Box. A closet or packing case they put zeks in for hours and sometimes days. 13. A divisional pit. 10 ft. in depth, 6 ft in diameter, for days, as his cell and latrine, with 10 ounces of bread and water daily. 14. Stand on the knees for up to 48 hours. 15. Deprive them of water or food. 16. Sleeplessness. 17. Continual interrogation by shifts for days and days. 18. The bedbug infested boxes. 19. Punishment cells. Using starvation and cold, the zeks were worn down to make them sign anything. 20. Intensified hunger. No food or drink for days, or only 10 ounces of bread per day for months. 21. Frequent beatings. They used rubber truncheons, rubber mallets and small sandbags. 22. Strait jackets. 23. Breaking the prisoner's back. 24. Bridling, tied up to make zeks lie on their stomach like a wheel, your spine breaking, with no food or water for 2 days.

Some of the methods they used to make the prisoners do exactly what they wanted them to do were: making them lie face down in the corridors for several hours at a time, not able to raise their heads, or make a sound. Keeping a foot of icy water in the bottoms of the dungeon cells. Allowing no talking, heads down and hands clasped behind the back when going to or from anywhere.. Statements like "If you confess, you will get an easy camp instead of a death camp," interrogating with a loaded pistol on the desk, and aimed towards where the zek stood frozen at attention, "muzzles" on the windows so that there could be no fresh air come in to where they packed 200 (or more) people into a cell made for 10, and over all, the "thieves" who were part of the 'national treasure,' and could do anything to any prisoner they wanted to, including taking the best places in the cells by the windows, and the thieves always took responsibility for doling out the bread ration, eating most themselves and working with the jailers and stoolies to deprive the prisoners of everything they had of any value. Added to all the horrors, there was constant propaganda and indoctrination in the bolshevik political policies that every zek had to know.

Remember, the SR's never thought they did anything bad enough to offend the police people, the GPU, KGB, CHEKA, NKVD, and all the rest of the alphabet agencies they had which I can see mirrored in Amerika right now.

In Solzhenitsyn's own words, "What about the main thing in life, all it's riddles? If you want, I'll spell it out for you right now. Do not pursue what is illusory--property and position: all that is gained at the expense of your nerves decade after decade, and is confiscated in one fell night. Live with a steady superiority over life--don't be afraid of misfortune and do not yearn after happiness, it is, after all, all the same: The bitter doesn't last forever, and the sweet never fills the cup to overflowing. It is enough if you do not freeze in the cold and if thirst and hunger don't claw at your insides. If your back isn't broken, if your feet can walk, if both arms can bend, if both eyes see, and if both ears hear, then whom should you envy? And why? Our envy of others devours us most of all. Rub your eyes and purify your heart--and prize above all else in the world those who love you and who wish you well. Do not hurt them or scold them, and never part from any of them in anger; after all, you simply do not know: it might be your last act before your arrest and that will be how you are imprinted in their memory!"

While reading this first book I made a small list of statements that condensed some of the information I read pertaining to the prisoners. Here is the list:

Don't put people before everything else. The law is always right. Intent means action. My death today, yours tomorrow. Nobody cares except you. You must give your corpse or your labor. To win you must lose. Cheap goods are more expensive. Suicide is submission.

My intent in gathering and writing this information is to share with the people of Amerika what happened in their sister nation, Russia, during the takeover by the bolshevik communists in 1917. The details may be different for when the Amerikan gulag comes into full flower, but the feelings are the same. Solzhenitsyn later tried to get figures for the murdered and according to some of the official records, 65 million people were destroyed in the gulag. And the gulag of Russia is still operant today. They have become addicted to slave labor.

It is impossible for me to convey to others how intense must have been the psychological pressures upon the zeks when they were called out of a bed made of boards (after 18 hours of hard labor,) to stand outside in the bitter cold and snow, and be counted and recounted and then taken outside the camp into the forest to be shot by a drunken group of guards as sport for them.

What will happen in Amerika? How many will die?

tena

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   11:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: OliviaFNewton (#68)

GULAG ARCHIPELAGO

Very powerful.

I'm taking some time to re-read both that and Creature from Jekyll Island again here soon.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   11:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: christine, All (#66)

contrasting views are one thing, but the constant arrogant expression of derision towards me, this forum and its members is quite another.

I think we all know what the score is. I know I do. You've yet to do anything worthy of derision. I don't think you have it in you.

Besides, if they deride you and other members I cant figure out why they are even here. Is this the only board on the net??? Why associate with us ignorant rubes. Why not display their superhuman intelligence and oh-so-openmindedness on some other board instead of bitching when they arent able to convince too many people that their POV is the only correct one?

It seems Itisa1mosttoolate got fooled on this article. It happens to everyone sooner or later.

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PSUSA  posted on  2008-12-19   11:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Rotara (#63)

That kind of messed-up worship and physical gyrations is straight out of Africa!!! The only thing missing was a roaring campfire and the poking of sharp spears at imaginary foes.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-19   11:56:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: christine (#66)

What can you say?

We all want to let "one thousand flowers bloom," but there is a limit.

When you slap the mods in the face, don't be surprised to take one in the chops.

In his time, he was one VAST swine. Sayonara.

randge  posted on  2008-12-19   11:56:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: All (#67)

I think it’s important to understand that D’s & Rs practice divide and conquer. Vast and his imps are the Democrat version of this equation. They have divided us by class, sex, race, religion, generations and language groups. These multiple constituencies, each bought by some typically unconstitutional government entitlement, keeps the political system in power. Most on 4um have recognized this and rejected it. Vast hasn't. He believes in government and supports it. His clique have divided income from work, (devising programs that redistribute our wealth), individuals from responsibility (preferring to bury it in groups), responsibilities from freedom and punishment from crime. They are bankrupt politically, fiscally and morally.

They aren’t capable of defending any of this, so rather than stand and argue, they insult and run. Nothing would please them more than to damage this forum. That they haven’t is a testimony to individualism, rather than collectivism.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-19   11:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: PSUSA (#70) (Edited)

Besides, if they deride you and other members I cant figure out why they are even here. Is this the only board on the net??? Why associate with us ignorant rubes. Why not display their superhuman intelligence and oh-so- openmindedness on some other board instead of bitching when they arent able to convince too many people that their POV is the only correct one?

that's my question too. so i must conclude that it's either arrogance or a deliberate attempt to divide and conquer.

christine  posted on  2008-12-19   12:00:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: X-15 (#71)

That kind of messed-up worship and physical gyrations is straight out of Africa!!! The only thing missing was a roaring campfire and the poking of sharp spears at imaginary foes.

The Million Moron Ocorps should be a hoot !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   12:02:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: PSUSA (#70)

Besides, if they deride you and other members I cant figure out why they are even here. Is this the only board on the net??? Why associate with us ignorant rubes. Why not display their superhuman intelligence and oh-so-openmindedness on some other board instead of bitching when they arent able to convince too many people that their POV is the only correct one?

Because they get everyone worked up and pissed off and then run back to Robin's forum and laugh amongst themselves. That's why I quit arguing with them. Why give them that pleasure? They are Obamatards and are exactly like the Bushbots and Klintoonoids before them. They will embrace and defend any and everything Obama does.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-12-19   12:02:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Jethro Tull, noone222 (#73)

I think it’s important to understand that D’s & Rs practice divide and conquer. Vast and his imps are the Democrat version of this equation. They have divided us by class, sex, race, religion, generations and language groups. These multiple constituencies, each bought by some typically unconstitutional government entitlement, keeps the political system in power. Most on 4um have recognized this and rejected it. Vast hasn't. He believes in government and supports it. His clique have divided income from work, (devising programs that redistribute our wealth), individuals from responsibility (preferring to bury it in groups), responsibilities from freedom and punishment from crime. They are bankrupt politically, fiscally and morally.

They aren’t capable of defending any of this, so rather than stand and argue, they insult and run. Nothing would please them more than to damage this forum. That they haven’t is a testimony to individualism, rather than collectivism.

WELL DONE

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   12:03:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: OliviaFNewton (#68)

"What about the main thing in life, all it's riddles? If you want, I'll spell it out for you right now. Do not pursue what is illusory--property and position: all that is gained at the expense of your nerves decade after decade, and is confiscated in one fell night. Live with a steady superiority over life--don't be afraid of misfortune and do not yearn after happiness, it is, after all, all the same: The bitter doesn't last forever, and the sweet never fills the cup to overflowing. It is enough if you do not freeze in the cold and if thirst and hunger don't claw at your insides. If your back isn't broken, if your feet can walk, if both arms can bend, if both eyes see, and if both ears hear, then whom should you envy? And why? Our envy of others devours us most of all. Rub your eyes and purify your heart--and prize above all else in the world those who love you and who wish you well. Do not hurt them or scold them, and never part from any of them in anger; after all, you simply do not know: it might be your last act before your arrest and that will be how you are imprinted in their memory!"

Somebody ought to pin Dubya down and force him to read this, he needs to know what real compassion is all about and to rethink his fantasy of changing communist china by letting their crap be imported here. As for Obama, he has no soul and will be the downfall of what is left of America.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-19   12:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Hayek Fan, rotara, christine (#76)

Because they get everyone worked up and pissed off and then run back to Robin's forum and laugh amongst themselves.

Never been there but that is what I assumed was happening. Their behavior reminded me too much of other forums where that was the rule, talk to your friends behind the scenes then come out derisively posting only to run back and laugh about it.


Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who

farmfriend  posted on  2008-12-19   12:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: X-15 (#71) (Edited)

That kind of messed-up worship and physical gyrations is straight out of Africa!!! The only thing missing was a roaring campfire and the poking of sharp spears at imaginary foes.

LOL! Dont forget the face paint and chicken feathers. And the ever-popular bone through the nose.

But you have to admit they look most impressive in their woodlands. So much more professional looking than loincloths.

Very military. I sure dont want to mess with them. They might beat me up.

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Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”

PSUSA  posted on  2008-12-19   12:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Jethro Tull (#73)

Nothing would please them more than to damage this forum. That they haven’t is a testimony to individualism, rather than collectivism.

Amen.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   12:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Hayek Fan (#76)

Because they get everyone worked up and pissed off and then run back to Robin's forum and laugh amongst themselves. That's why I quit arguing with them. Why give them that pleasure? They are Obamatards and are exactly like the Bushbots and Klintoonoids before them. They will embrace and defend any and everything Obama does.

Which is a great argument to ban disruptors. Maybe a 6 month time-out and a public apology to Christine.

Lepers.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   12:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: OliviaFNewton, all (#81)

Enough of this leftist cell of political misfits. They became malignant once He showed His ebony face; on went the knee pads and out went their faux constitutionalism. Obingo, the man whose middle name we can't mention w/o being called racist, isn't in office yet and his CoS is ensnared in scandal. Is it any wonder the Os are heading to the hills with this weak preemptive cry of mistreatment? They're running before the rope meets their necks.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-19   12:35:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: X-15 (#78)

Somebody ought to pin Dubya down and force him to read this, he needs to know what real compassion is all about and to rethink his fantasy of changing communist china by letting their crap be imported here. As for Obama, he has no soul and will be the downfall of what is left of America.

I really don't think any of them care X15. They are turning the dials now to squeeze the rubes. And the dingbats are happily riding shotgun.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   12:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Jethro Tull (#83)

Enough of this leftist cell of political misfits. They became malignant once He showed His ebony face; on went the knee pads and out went their faux constitutionalism. Obingo, the man whose middle name we can't mention w/o being called racist, isn't in office yet and his CoS is ensnared in scandal. Is it any wonder the Os are heading to the hills with this weak preemptive cry of mistreatment? They're running before the rope meets their necks.

Time's Person of The Year! 'There is no Republican Party or Democrat Party, there is only Obama'.

Their guy won, so what's the beef? We discuss the news of the day and that is still blasphemy in their world.

Everytime they post I have to get out the Glade.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   12:46:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: X-15 (#78)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   12:47:45 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Jethro Tull (#83)

Enough of this leftist cell of political misfits. They became malignant once He showed His ebony face; on went the knee pads and out went their faux constitutionalism. Obingo, the man whose middle name we can't mention w/o being called racist, isn't in office yet and his CoS is ensnared in scandal. Is it any wonder the Os are heading to the hills with this weak preemptive cry of mistreatment? They're running before the rope meets their necks.

I assure you they mean you and yours no good will.

They have saddled up with the Feral Reserve Globalist Police State; to be brief.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   12:50:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: OliviaFNewton (#85)

Their guy won, so what's the beef?

They realize that we're mad as hell and not going to take it anymore ? ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   12:51:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: OliviaFNewton (#82)

Which is a great argument to ban disruptors. Maybe a 6 month time-out and a public apology to Christine.

It's her site. I don't care one way or the other. Once I realized they were Democrat versions of Bushbots, I quit arguing with them. Like their Bushbot brethren, they are irrational cultists.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-12-19   12:53:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Rotara (#88)

They realize that we're mad as hell and not going to take it anymore ? ;-)

ROACHES IN THE ROOM:

Get your shoe.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   12:56:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Hayek Fan (#89)

Like their Bushbot brethren, they are irrational cultists.

Agreed.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   12:57:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: OliviaFNewton (#90)

LOL !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   13:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: noone222 (#15)

Sometimes people are just too fucking stupid to have dialogue with and you are the epitomy of this condition. Which element of the socialist agenda do you represent moron ? Are you a commie, a queer, a gun grabber, an atheist, or like most voters for the changer (as opposed to the decider) just too fucking stupid.

I think you may have hit home with that comment to that commie sympathizer.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-12-19   13:12:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: James Deffenbach, noone222 (#93)

a gun grabber

While the rest are very possible, this one was Ohashed out and the results left for the world to see.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   13:27:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Ping to your 8, angle (#9)

What falls on deaf ears? And please name names.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-19   14:03:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: PSUSA (#33)

Let's see who is right. Will it be the obamatards, or us country bumpkins.

I'm going "all in" on the bumpkins. Read'em and weep.

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-12-19   16:16:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: christine, A Vast Right Wing Bloviator, Tom 007, Rotara, A Vast Right Wing Cuspidor, A Vast Right Wing Conspirator, Jethro Tull, PSUSA, Twenty Twelve, Lodwick, Cynicom, All (#66) (Edited)

contrasting views are one thing, but the constant arrogant expression of derision towards me, this forum and its members is quite another.

I think someone put it correctly earlier in the thread. The O'bots do not want discussion they want agreement - compliance with their point of view. When someone points out, however pungently, the reality of the travesty that is Oh'bummer they come unglued because, obviously - self evidently without any shred of evidence, because they beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelieeeeeeeeeeeeeeve, that they are incapable of having concluded wrongly - based upon the available disinformation. They are inerrant and therefore anyone who disagrees with them is a pathological wingnut who insists upon the strange fetish of actually looking at an examining the available evidence as opposed to slavisly embracing and loving what they are told to believe by the Propaganda and Perception Management Programs.

That their response to "spirited" replies by those who "do not suffer fools gladly" is to throw childish temper tantrums and insult people other than the person who offended them informs us a great deal as to the O'bots mindset: "My mind is made up now don't confuse me with the facts."

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhmbulannnnnnnnnnnnce!

""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-12-19   16:29:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Original_Intent (#97)


Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who

farmfriend  posted on  2008-12-19   16:58:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Original_Intent (#97)

It's the kind of whining that emanates from those who are powerless to kill people with politically incorrect thoughts. They can't wait for the Fairness Doctrine to come back so they can point their digital fingers all over the internet and proclaim "Thou infidels" to the administration of Africanus Obama Caesar.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-19   17:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Original_Intent (#97)

"My mind is made up now don't confuse me with the facts."

Exactly. Self deception is a tricky thing. Not too many will admit being deceived. It's as if admitting it could happen makes them out to be idiots, and they dont want to be idiots. So, instead of admitting it, they make themselves out to be idiots.

Make sense? I hope so, because I admit being deceived many times. I hope I am not being deceived now.

.

.

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Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”

PSUSA  posted on  2008-12-19   17:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: PSUSA (#100)

Exactly. Self deception is a tricky thing. Not too many will admit being deceived. It's as if admitting it could happen makes them out to be idiots, and they dont want to be idiots. So, instead of admitting it, they make themselves out to be idiots.

Make sense? I hope so, because I admit being deceived many times. I hope I am not being deceived now.

Here's the disconnect to my way of thinking. These were the deceivers from the get-go. There is no way .. NONE.. people can embrace Obama and his policies, associations, affiliations, cabinet nominations, back peddling, crooked deals, scandals.. etc., after crying out for years that the Bushies needed to brought to account. No WAY. Therefore, one is to conclude for this bunch of lepers, they are operatives. Tools. Not the average jello minded American Idol goof that votes for the Pretty Dark one becuase it's popular.

These people paraded around as something other than who they really were. Very different BEAST. IMNSVO.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   17:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: PSUSA (#100)

Clutch a fresh box of ammo close to your beating heart, it will dispel all illusions.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-19   17:35:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Original_Intent (#97)

those who "do not suffer fools gladly"

Guilty !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   17:48:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: PSUSA (#100)

Exactly. Self deception is a tricky thing. Not too many will admit being deceived. It's as if admitting it could happen makes them out to be idiots, and they dont want to be idiots. So, instead of admitting it, they make themselves out to be idiots.

Make sense? I hope so, because I admit being deceived many times. I hope I am not being deceived now.

It's called humility.

World Socialists have ZERO when it comes to their god (government - REALLY FREAKIN BIG GLOBAL GOVERNMENT).

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   17:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: OliviaFNewton (#101)

Here's the disconnect to my way of thinking. These were the deceivers from the get-go. There is no way .. NONE.. people can embrace Obama and his policies, associations, affiliations, cabinet nominations, back peddling, crooked deals, scandals.. etc., after crying out for years that the Bushies needed to brought to account. No WAY. Therefore, one is to conclude for this bunch of lepers, they are operatives. Tools. Not the average jello minded American Idol goof that votes for the Pretty Dark one becuase it's popular.

These people paraded around as something other than who they really were. Very different BEAST. IMNSVO.

You're one sharp Lady !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   17:50:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: X-15 (#102)

Clutch a fresh box of ammo close to your beating heart, it will dispel all illusions.

Even better yet, get to the range and SMELL the burnt GUN POWDER..mmmmmmmm

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   17:51:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Original_Intent, Os (#97)

Who knew all this time we were harboring big government enablers? Prior to His arrival, I thought the Os were on board with the fraud that is both political parties, vote scam, the belief that government lied to us about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, Al Qaeda, bin Laden, 9-11, the Warren Commission, the Gulf of Tonkin and even Pearl Harbor. Surly they believed that corporate greed and power purchased Wall Street, created K-Street which hired retired members of both Houses to lobby for laws that further increased their bottom line? Did I have all this wrong, or despite this knowledge did they trust that Obama would actually change this institutional corruption? If the latter is accurate, Mr O and his administration of political hacks - including the Clinton's - will disappoint in short order. Of course it will be less painful if they weren't here to be reminded of exactly how very dopey they are.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-19   18:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: christine (#66) (Edited)

Christine,

I don't believe I expressed derision towards you at any time, not even after you addressed me in ways less than respectful.

That aside, I am not discouraging you to cancel my free membership. I am not encouraging you either. You are free to keep company with the drooling idiots that you view as 'your side' lately and I would encourage you to chase away anyone who is not both drooling and an idiot. You know that, as your second noted, the job is not done yet because there are a few left who hope against hope that it's going to get better some day so they hang on.

I believe it all began sliding downhill the day your former friend Peppa showed up. She was the first one who began insulting everyone remotely rational and, apparently she was not discouraged to continue on that path. Other simple- minded idiots followed. Than, you forced Robin out and you sided with JT and his gang of losers. No wonder thoughtful individuals such as Aristo and Pingu left in disgust. Now, you are left with the opposite of what one would call 'creme de la creme'.

So, again, you can cancel my account any time you wish. I don't care one way or the other but you should know that I still have respect and appreciation for you as a person and for the initial good intention behind your work. I am not happy with your current attitudes but I do wish you well and I sincerely wish you a VERY happy Christmas and, in fact, VERY HAPPY CHRISTMASES, ALWAYS.

P.S. And I will not bad-mouth you on other sites either because I believe that you have a good heart.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-12-19   18:03:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Jethro Tull (#107)

i never knew ye Os !

The pictures of fdr and che hanging on the wall directly behind them gave it away. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   18:04:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Turtle (#25)

Turtle is schocked! Shocked, I tell you! Shocked!

Yes, just like when you went in to that "speakeasy" and found people drinking and gambling, right? I mean certain things just shouldn´t be since they are so shocking to our sensibilities.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-12-19   18:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: PSUSA (#33)

Look at the Bright Side, obamatards. Your man takes office in 1 month. You think things will be all peachy, I say you are going to get royally reamed.

All-in bets are on the table, river card is dealt, we'll see the cards shortly.

Let's see who is right. Will it be the obamatards, or us country bumpkins.

Obamatards, lol! I am betting on us country bumpkins this go round.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-12-19   18:09:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#108)

Than, Then you forced Robin out and you sided with JT and his gang of losers.

Fixed.

Back from archery practice, Mr. Hood?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-19   18:11:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#108)

You are free to keep company with the drooling idiots

Eat your cheese, drink your wine and watch the big screen HDPlasma TeeBee that you stole - and STFU, world socialist Opeckerwood.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   18:11:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Peppa (#108)

I believe it all began sliding downhill the day your former friend Peppa showed up.

Ocommie dumbphuck,

The place survived you World Communist shills' attempts at turning 4um into Cabal C*ck Smoking Central and it will flourish even more when you pathetic little tools are long gone.

NOW DROP DEAD MOTHER OFUCKER !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   18:13:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#108) (Edited)

She was the first one who began insulting everyone remotely rational and, apparently she was not discouraged to continue on that path.

What the hell do you know about 'being rational' Ostasi ?

Your lips are still wet with Obamalamadingdong's ball sweat.

You are teamed up with Jorge Bush Barack Barry Hussein Soetoro Obamalamadingdongstein !!

Why don't you go back to your eastern european communist shit hole?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   18:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#108)

No wonder thoughtful individuals such as Aristo and Pingu left in disgust.

Vast Odildo,

Would that be before OR AFTER their impassioned arguments against RKBA ???

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   18:16:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: randge (#50)

Well, now we have "it," and it looks like all the awful machinery of executive oppression erected by George II remains locked in place. The people's champion has damned little to say about it.

You seem to have an affinity for the canine, and the Obamas are shopping for the obligatory White House pet. Why don't you request an application??

That was a fine post.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-12-19   18:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#108)

Now, you are left with the opposite of what one would call 'creme de la creme'.

Real American patriots are the cream; you're the brown stuff that gets shoveled up and used as fertilizer.

You condescending elitist wannabe World Socialist asswipe.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   18:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#108)

So, again, you can cancel my account any time you wish. I don't care one way or the other but you should know that I still have respect and appreciation for you as a person and for the initial good intention behind your work.

I hope you don't get banned and FURTHER I hope you keep coming back to eat Obamalamadingdong's vomit.

I like e-bashing your brains in, personally. You Obuttplug.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   18:19:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Rotara (#105)

You're one sharp Lady !

Thank you very kindly!

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   18:21:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: OliviaFNewton (#120)

Thank you very kindly!

Sie sind willkommen! ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   18:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Rotara (#67)

You damned patriots are all the same ! ;-)

BTW that hitler video up there has me in stitches over here.

That was some good stuff.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-12-19   18:27:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#108)

IIRC, Robin left of her own accord.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-19   18:31:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Rotara (#121)

That wasn't you posting recently as our overseas kraut-friend, was it?? :-O

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-19   18:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: X-15 (#123)

IIRC, Robin left of her own accord.

Yes, after she used the PM feature here to collude against the forum and form her own place.

Stand up gal that one.

Only after she corralled or was coralled by other users to try and destroy the place.

I have a word for that.

But, you know.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   18:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: James Deffenbach (#122)

That was some good stuff.

Haaaaahahahaha! I'm still laughing thinking about it.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   18:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: X-15 (#124)

Ich kenne nichts!

I know nothing!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   18:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: X-15 (#123)

IIRC, Robin left of her own accord.

..started the People's Soviet Forum for Obamalamadingdongs to have a more pleasant Kool-Aid guzzling Omessiah experience.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   18:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: OliviaFNewton (#125)

you know

Very impressive !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   18:45:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#108)

Hey Vast,

I notice you didn't have the guts to bring your issue with me, to me.. so, I felt sorry for you...

Wanted to help you out..

Here you go!

Seems to be the hot topic. A smoking 12 posts.

Bristol Palin's Future Mother-In-Law Arrested On Drug Charges

the-peoples-forum.com/cgi...i? ArtNum=7750&Disp=12#C12

Heavy serious discussion. I'm sure you will need a towel to tamp off the sweat.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   19:04:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: Rotara (#129)

Very impressive !

Well, you know.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   19:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: OliviaFNewton (#131)

-chortle-

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   19:06:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: Rotara (#127)

Damn you, I went to some trouble to translate back 'n forth. For NOTHING!!!

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-19   19:18:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: X-15 (#133)

Ich kenne nichts !!!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   19:26:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Rotara (#134)

Drosselklappe auf einer Brezel!!

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-19   19:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: X-15 (#135)

Drosselklappe auf einer Brezel!! / Throttle flap on a pretzel!!

Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein! NEIN !!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   19:31:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Rotara (#136)

This blonde is the ONLY thing I want from Germany:

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-19   19:39:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#108)

some of those you label and judge as drooling idiots by their posts on here only, i know on a personal level. several i have met in person and communicate with by phone, instant message, and email. yes, i consider them on my side because we agree on what and who is our common enemy. that would be the anti-american traitorous, corrupt, globalist elite politicians who run this government. before obama came along, i was under the impression that nearly all who posted here shared that opinion.

you accused me of forcing Robin out. that's not true. it's a mischaracterization of what happened. i've explained this several times already, but i will again. Robin had been growing increasingly unhappy here because she didn't like the challenges and criticisms she was receiving for her support of obama. as you know, she began bozo'ing a number of 4um members, but what you don't know (probably) is that Robin was at the same time a moderator. she never communicated to me the degree of her discomfort here. in fact, unbeknownst to me, she had been planning a forum of her own. i didn't learn about it until it was opened and was told by members who had received invitations via 4um's private mail. if you go back and read the thread, you will see that i tried very hard to come up with a solution that i had hoped would satisfy everyone, but by then it was too late. it was never my intent to force Robin or anyone else from 4um.

christine  posted on  2008-12-19   19:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: christine (#138)

They didn't want a solution Chris. That was obvious. They wanted you to bring the hammer down on people they disagreed with, and stop the free flow of conversation, information and debate.

They are COMMIES. We know this. We saw it and they left because they couldn't control the place.

Now, that bitch has her own place and sends her monkey's out to whine and pick.

Vast might be a freelance prick for all we know. He and angle bring up the same thing over and over.. Poor Damn Robin.

Well, for Gods sake, GO TO HER. GTFO.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   20:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: OliviaFNewton (#139)

They didn't want a solution

Half of THEY were wacky Jack and his sock puppets, you know the ones he trotted out to chase off anyone he suspected of being insufficiently left of center.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-19   20:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Jethro Tull (#140)

Half of THEY were wacky Jack and his sock puppets, you know the ones he trotted out to chase off anyone he suspected of being insufficiency left of center.

That one had a single membered/minded problem.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   20:35:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, christine (#108)

Than, you forced Robin out and you sided with JT and his gang of losers. No wonder thoughtful individuals such as Aristo and Pingu left in disgust.

You've got to share with me all those wonderful shrooms you've been hoarding. I've got a feather thing some old indian woman gave me.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-12-19   20:41:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: OliviaFNewton (#141) (Edited)

I met her in a club
down in old Soho
where you drink champagne
and it tastes just
like cherry cola
C-O-L-A cola

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-19   20:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: James Deffenbach (#93)

I've been on this 4UM for 4 years I think. In that 4 years many people have come and gone for whatever reason. However, I've never witnessed Christine be rude, intolerant of others views or pushy of her own. If ever there were a benevolent dictator, Christine is it. My response to Christines accuser was out of anger. I just think it's a little much for a freeloading imbecile to throw unfounded accusations at the person responsible for the bill. (No pun intended).

Obama supporters are starting to really disgust me because they still think the guy is more than the lesser of two evils, even after having had the opportunity to review his cabinet and department appointments. Obama held a news conference today and introduced several of his new staff. One of these was a Mexican lady that he appointed as Secretary of Labor. After she finished her drooling over Obama socialist introduction, she repeated it in Spanish. I didn't care who Obama appoints to the Labor Department. I don't care who he appoints to any position in his administration ... but I shut the radio off when this woman started speaking Spanish. I was offended and think that was the intent of her Spanish lesson. You can bet your ass her speech was approved by her handlers or the higher ups which indicates that Obama approved.

This may seem trivial to some folks but I'm sick of the invasion and takeover through perpetual appeasement that's being assisted by folks sworn to protect the borders. If someone comes here legally and learns to speak English, which is allegedly a prerequisite, then they shouldn't need to be spoken to in a foreign language. This sort of behavior is killing America and turning it into Mexico Norte.

I don't want to hear spanish everytime a speech is given by someone in this administration. Truthfully, I found myself hating even Obama's little speech.

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2008-12-19   20:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: noone222 (#144)

Obama supporters are starting to really disgust me because they still think the guy is more than the lesser of two evils, even after having had the opportunity to review his cabinet and department appointments.

He's not gonna buy me that Mister Softee truck I've been pining for? Damn you, noone222, damn your cold, cold dream-dashing heart!

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-12-19   20:54:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: X-15 (#137)

chug a jug

Dear dear dear have mercy !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   20:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: Christine (#138)

some of those you label and judge as drooling idiots by their posts on here only, i know on a personal level. several i have met in person and communicate with by phone, instant message, and email. yes, i consider them on my side because we agree on what and who is our common enemy. that would be the anti-american traitorous, corrupt, globalist elite politicians who run this government. before obama came along, i was under the impression that nearly all who posted here shared that opinion.

I'll try to drool less and take far fewer idiot pills if it will help. ;-)

No promises about the Traitors though.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   20:57:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: OliviaFNewton (#139)

They didn't want a solution Chris. That was obvious. They wanted you to bring the hammer down on people they disagreed with, and stop the free flow of conversation, information and debate.

They are COMMIES. We know this. We saw it and they left because they couldn't control the place.

Now, that bitch has her own place and sends her monkey's out to whine and pick.

Vast might be a freelance prick for all we know. He and angle bring up the same thing over and over.. Poor Damn Robin.

Well, for Gods sake, GO TO HER. GTFO.

Hear hear !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   20:59:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: noone222 (#144)

thank you, Doug, for both of your posts on this thread.

christine  posted on  2008-12-19   21:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Rotara (#147)

I'll try to drool less and take far fewer idiot pills if it will help.

what makes ya think it was you he was talking about? ;P

christine  posted on  2008-12-19   21:07:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: christine (#150)

what makes ya think it was you he was talking about? ;P

Because I drool to fool the Commies and take idiot pills to fool my wife ?

lol

~:^/

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   21:13:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Christine, noone222 (#149)

thank you, Doug, for both of your posts on this thread.

Doug's a Champ.

There are several at 4um.

But he's certainly one of them.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   21:13:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#28)

So, no sucker punches, just expressing some views. And, in my view, this forum looks more and more like the online version of the Jerry Springer show where the guests are running it.

The quoted comment starts off with a lie, as it is a weak sister attempt at a sucker punch.

No one here has indicated that they could give a good shit about your views, which it should be noted are awfully close to those of socialist people exploiter Jerry Springer.

Why don't you simply change channels or go to the asshole lounge where your socialist views might be appreciated

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2008-12-19   21:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: Dakmar (#142)

I've got a feather thing some old indian woman gave me.

A feather thing? LOL


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-12-19   21:24:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: christine (#149)

You're deservedly welcome.

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2008-12-19   21:27:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: FormerLurker, Dakmar (#154)

A feather thing? LOL

'shroom catcher. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   21:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Jethro Tull (#143)

:)

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   21:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: X-15 (#123)

Robin is a coward.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-12-19   21:31:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: Rotara (#152)

It's a mutual appreciation society around here. Most of us on here don't agree with each other about everything. Most of the time though the differing views are thought out well.

This Obama mania is cult like. It is going to cause unnecessary divisions among people that need to unite.

Thanks for the nice comments.

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2008-12-19   21:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#28)

...this forum looks more and more like the online version of the Jerry Springer show where the guests are running it.

#108: I believe that you have a good heart.

Well, which is it you ungrateful, wretched, puddle of Obama-vomit??

I know you've got me on bozo, but maybe somebody else will quote this so you can see it. It took me a while to get a bit angry at you, which I know will make you happy.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-19   21:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: Rotara (#148)

Hear hear !

Everyone knows it's true. Everyone.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   21:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: X-15 (#137)

This blonde is the ONLY thing I want from Germany:

It is ten degrees out, with plenty of snow and blowing wind. I never thought I would be any warmer again, but that certainly helped. Bless you! (That's fine beer, as well...)

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-12-19   21:38:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, christine, Jethro Tull (#6)

I am so sorry to see Christine's site turning into a laughing stock.

I have no problem with her tolerating all these cretinazis because I approve of tolerance and subjecting the lesser specimens to therapy via participation. The problem is not them being tolerated but it's them being encouraged and prodded into a frenzy of absurdities. It seems to me that Jethro Tull is allowed to help these freakish idiots destroy and discredit what used to be one of the better discussion forums South of the North Pole.

There is nothing much to laugh about vast, it's just people exchanging ideas and offering different viewpoints. It's called freedom of expression and freedom of speech.

That christine allows open debate here and doesn't choose sides is a miracle as most sites are biased and would ban anyone who stirs the pot a bit too much in regards to any topic that site deems sacred. You should respect that and not be so eager to give her an underhanded slap across the face while posting on her site that she provides free of charge out of her own goodwill.

To many, you are as much of a "lesser specimen" and/or "cretinazi" as you view others here. Nobody is being prodded and encouraged to do anything; we are all here to speak our minds and perhaps try to change the minds of others.

As far as your mention of Jethro, if you have something to say to him then you should say it to him directly rather than bumping your remarks about him off of me.

From what I've read so far on this thread, I take it your remark concerning Jethro has something to do with his positions on Obama. I haven't been involved in the Obama debates because I can't find anything worth discussing about him. He's just another globalist controlled puppet who will do the bidding of his masters; his recent Cabinet appointments bears that out in spades (excuse the pun).

If you find Obama to be a better man than that, well that's your opinion and your right, but don't look down upon others who don't share your views, in fact, you should perhaps heed their advice and wake up from your slumber.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-12-19   21:40:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: Rotara, Dakmar (#156)

'shroom catcher. ;-)

Hmmm. I guess I never hung out with a wild enough crowd to have experienced that. I've heard of dream catchers but never 'shroom catchers...

Do they work? :)


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-12-19   21:42:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: noone222 (#159)

Y W and I agree.

It's better to flush everyone out as fast as possible imo.

Nothing worse than letting one of 'them' into your circle or worse behind your wire.

The enemy within has been salivating for this moment going back to the early 20th Century or prior.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   21:42:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: who knows what evil (#162)

You are welcome!! Here's an encore to keep the wolves of winter at bay:

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-19   21:42:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: X-15, a vast rightwing conspirator, a deep cover commie mole (#160)

vast: ...this forum looks more and more like the online version of the Jerry Springer show where the guests are running it.

#108: I believe that you have a good heart.

X: Well, which is it you ungrateful, wretched, puddle of Obama-vomit??

I know you've got me on bozo, but maybe somebody else will quote this so you can see it. It took me a while to get a bit angry at you, which I know will make you happy.

From X, with love.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   21:44:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: FormerLurker (#163)

He's just another globalist controlled puppet who will do the bidding of his masters; his recent Cabinet appointments bears that out in spades (excuse the pun).

Take heart, his new enviromental appointment will have us paying carbon credits in no time. NWO here we come.


Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who

farmfriend  posted on  2008-12-19   21:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: OliviaFNewton (#161)

Everyone knows it's true. Everyone.

They remind me of jungle people in a lot of ways. I'll leave it at that. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   21:45:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: FormerLurker (#166)

I've heard of dream catchers but never 'shroom catchers...

Do they work?

what? did the empire just kill my daddy?

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-12-19   21:46:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: FormerLurker (#164)

Hmmm. I guess I never hung out with a wild enough crowd to have experienced that. I've heard of dream catchers but never 'shroom catchers...

Do they work? :)

Sorry dude I was trippin.

Uh, yeah. They work great ! ;-)

(I made it up btw)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   21:48:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: noone222 (#159)

This Obama mania is cult like. It is going to cause unnecessary divisions among people that need to unite.

Which is why it's time to call trash what it is, take it out, and dump it.

They keep coming back to divide. They WORK for those that seek to kill us all.

I'm tired of the games with them myself. Misunderstood? Hardly. Very understood.

I tried. I've seen many try harder than anything to get through to misguided souls. And WHAT did they do? I don't need to spell it out. Either people seek to survive and cast these cretins out with the load of dung they bring, or they'll go down with them.

That's a fact.

No more PC BS. No more of it. Actually there are necessary divisions. Stop inviting the fox to the henhouse.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   21:48:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: X-15 (#166)

chug a jug

They're simply perfect from where I sit.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   21:49:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: farmfriend (#168)

Take heart, his new enviromental appointment will have us paying carbon credits in no time. NWO here we come.

The decks have never been so loaded.

My God

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   21:50:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: Rotara (#174)

The decks have never been so loaded.

This is so true. Couple this with the push for a con-con and we have serious trouble. Carbon taxes are being pushed hard globally.


Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who

farmfriend  posted on  2008-12-19   21:53:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: OliviaFNewton (#172)

You're on a roll.

Don't stop; I have to run out and replenish the Seasonal Brew stocks quickly.

Don't...stop...Don't...stop...Don't..stop..Don't..stop.Don't.stop.Don'tStop !

LOL (I apologize for being downright giddy this moment - I don't even know why but I'm rolling with it !)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   21:53:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: Rotara (#167)

Thank you.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-19   21:54:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: farmfriend (#175)

The decks have never been so loaded.

This is so true. Couple this with the push for a con-con and we have serious trouble. Carbon taxes are being pushed hard globally.

I took them very seriously when I noted (in ALL of my research) that 2010 was their NWO end game for the NAU - then the remaining regional dominoes follow.

BRB

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   21:55:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: X-15 (#177)

De nada.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   21:55:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: Rotara (#174)

Sooner than later, he'll prohibit any lead in bullets, which will leave Barnes for rifle bullets, steel/bismuth for shotguns, and Frangible Bullets for pistol ammo. They won't be able to keep up with military production, let alone civilian market production. In effect, we will be disarmed at the "stroke of the pen".

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-19   21:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: X-15, rotara (#180)

They won't be able to keep up with military production, let alone civilian market production. In effect, we will be disarmed at the "stroke of the pen".

Well what the hell do you need arms for? The government will protect you.


Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who

farmfriend  posted on  2008-12-19   21:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: farmfriend (#168)

Take heart, his new enviromental appointment will have us paying carbon credits in no time.

Does the thought of that fill you with glee or something? Are you trying to imply that I have supported the idea of carbon credits, where I have consistently stated that I DO NOT?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-12-19   22:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: Rotara (#176)

You're on a roll.

Don't stop; I have to run out and replenish the Seasonal Brew stocks quickly.

Don't...stop...Don't...stop...Don't..stop..Don't..stop.Don't.stop.Don'tStop !

LOL (I apologize for being downright giddy this moment - I don't even know why but I'm rolling with it !)

Vast was having a moment that required a response. How can one just stand by and watch these obsessions get to such a sad state..... Here he is.. see what I mean ;)

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   22:10:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: farmfriend (#181)

(snort) Like they protected our economy? Like they protect our borders??

I did an ammo "inventory" earlier today and I'm as well off as I can be for a short-term "crisis".

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-12-19   22:10:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: X-15 (#166)

I'd like to see her dance the polka... ;)


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-12-19   22:11:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: X-15 (#137)

The very best glass of beer I ever had was at Busch Gardens in Williamsburg, VA. The kids were small, it was a red hot day in Aug. and we spent most of the day on long lines for rides. We decided to have a late lunch at the Bavarian gardens and the servers looked just like the gals in your pic. They brought me the largest, coldest, freshest stein of beer I ever had in my life. My god in heaven....I still remember it!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-19   22:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: X-15 (#180)

Sooner than later, he'll prohibit any lead in bullets, which will leave Barnes for rifle bullets, steel/bismuth for shotguns, and Frangible Bullets for pistol ammo. They won't be able to keep up with military production, let alone civilian market production. In effect, we will be disarmed at the "stroke of the pen".

Today, RIGHT NOW, find some quality used reloading equipment and buy lead.

I can crank out several hundred rounds in a sitting. Very handy indeed.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   22:26:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: farmfriend (#181)

Well what the hell do you need arms for? The government will protect you.

What was I thinking ???

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   22:27:26 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: noone222 (#144)

This may seem trivial to some folks but I'm sick of the invasion and takeover through perpetual appeasement that's being assisted by folks sworn to protect the borders. If someone comes here legally and learns to speak English, which is allegedly a prerequisite, then they shouldn't need to be spoken to in a foreign language. This sort of behavior is killing America and turning it into Mexico Norte.

I don't want to hear spanish everytime a speech is given by someone in this administration. Truthfully, I found myself hating even Obama's little speech.

It doesn´t seem trivial to me, not at all. I think it is incumbent upon those who move to a foreign country to try their best to learn the native language. That is not to say that many of us could move to China (for example) and learn all the different dialects. But no matter where we went we should make an effort to learn the most commonly used language that the native speakers use. Not always an easy task and never (for most) when they try to do it late in life but it can be done. For whatever it is worth I don´t think America should coddle or cater to the illegal aliens.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-12-19   22:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: OliviaFNewton (#183)

LOL !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-19   22:29:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: James Deffenbach (#189)

For whatever it is worth I don´t think America should coddle or cater to the illegal aliens.

I'd be willing to bet (though I'm nearly 2bucks in the hole already), when the riots start, no one will care who reached out to diversity and gave it a big ol' hug.

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-19   22:44:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: FormerLurker (#163)

thank you, FL.

christine  posted on  2008-12-19   23:16:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

i wouldnt salute ''the flag'' or wear a flag pin either. is that a bad thing?

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-12-19   23:20:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: OliviaFNewton (#183)

ah...one of my favorite Heart songs ;)

christine  posted on  2008-12-19   23:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: OliviaFNewton (#191)

I'd be willing to bet (though I'm nearly 2bucks in the hole already), when the riots start, no one will care who reached out to diversity and gave it a big ol' hug.

It won´t matter beyond the fact that if you know who embraces this alleged "diversity" and thinking it is fine for the country to be overrun with illegal aliens, you have a good idea who your enemies are.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-12-20   5:11:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: Rotara (#188)

Aim for the big dark spot dead center in ski-mask.

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2008-12-20   5:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: Artisan (#193)

i wouldnt salute ''the flag''

is that a bad thing?

Me either though I did it in ignorance as a child without understanding exactly what I was doing. Allegiance to a flag is pure bullshit and the underlying truth is dangerous. This so-called pledge is to a freakish warmongering monster that needs to die. This so-called pledge is an old tradition carried on to the advantage of feudal lords that subjected our ancestors to lifetime servitude and poor treatment at the whim of some inbred asshat that happened to be born fortunate.

Ever noticed how we are taught the real bullshit when we're to young to distrust these sick fucks ?

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2008-12-20   6:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: OliviaFNewton (#172)

No more PC BS. No more of it. Actually there are necessary divisions. Stop inviting the fox to the henhouse.

Astute observation ... PC = Pointless Crap ...

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2008-12-20   6:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: X-15 (#166)

What a nice smile !

They call it the AMERIKAN DREAM because you have to be asleep (and you are) to believe it !

noone222  posted on  2008-12-20   6:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: noone222 (#197)

Me either though I did it in ignorance as a child without understanding exactly what I was doing. Allegiance to a flag is pure bullshit and the underlying truth is dangerous. This so-called pledge is to a freakish warmongering monster that needs to die. This so-called pledge is an old tradition carried on to the advantage of feudal lords that subjected our ancestors to lifetime servitude and poor treatment at the whim of some inbred asshat that happened to be born fortunate.

Ever noticed how we are taught the real bullshit when we're to young to distrust these sick fucks ?

YOU GOT IT!! I concur 100%.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-12-20   7:35:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: noone222 (#197)

Me either though I did it in ignorance as a child without understanding exactly what I was doing. Allegiance to a flag is pure bullshit and the underlying truth is dangerous.

It's just another corporate logo on par with Pizza Hut or Pepsi. Nothing more.

That Gadsden flag is the only flag that means something to me.

.

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Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”

PSUSA  posted on  2008-12-20   8:27:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: Artisan (#193)

I'm dammed if I do and dammed if I don't.

real-debt-elimination

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-12-20   9:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#203. To: christine (#138)

some of those you label and judge as drooling idiots by their posts on here only, i know on a personal level

Just to make it clear. I do not imply that everyone other than myself is a drooling idiot. Far from that. The best way to determine who, in my view, is a drooling idiot is to see who is on my Bozo list. I have 7 names there:

Flintlock
James Deffenbach
RickyJ
Peppa
Rotara
X-15
Old Friend

If these people are your personal friends, I am so sorry but I can't believe that they are.

There may be a few more minor drooling idiots but I didn't interact with them so I didn't add the to the Bozo: Olympia is probably an over-enthusiastic, too much willing to please idiot but she doesn't make the grade. Old Friend is borderline on the list. He is an idiot alright but maybe not drooling, only extremely rude.

While not too many, they tend to be responsible for most of the inane posts and for all of the invective and, whether you like it or not, they are defining the character of your site.

As you can see, Dr. Jethro is not on the list. He's not because I remember him as not such a bad guy during the FR days and, I believe, we've been both in the Reform Party and Buchanan backers at one time. Currently, maybe his age is showing or his fears are taking over his good judgment but, while not technically a drooling idiot, he is quite morbid and he was able to set the tone of the 'debate' here and encouraged individuals like those on my drooling list to stay and thoughtful ones, with whom I disagree some of the time or most of the time but thoughtful nevertheless such as Aristi or Pingu to leave or to show up only occasionally.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-12-20   11:02:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#204. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, christine (#203)

Stop arguing with her. You are being disrespectful, not to mention looking like an absolute jerk.

Furthermore it's not your business with whom christine is friends.

So bugger off already.

Lady X  posted on  2008-12-20   11:20:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: Lady X (#204) (Edited)

So bugger off already.

Dear X, I believe that you mistakenly attached 'lady' to your pseudonym because your attitude and the words that you use to express it is not lady-like, for sure.

And, may I ask you, why exactly are you making 'this' your business? Are you some kind of a do-gooder busy-body, afraid that the world can't save itself unless you say your piece? Frankly, I don't believe I remember you stating anything interesting at this site or, in fact, anything at all and what you just stated is as forgettable as everything else that you might have contributed. In fact, I forgot already. What is it that you were saying, other than advertise your existence?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-12-20   11:37:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#205)

Like you know what decorum is..

Lady X  posted on  2008-12-20   12:02:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#203)

but thoughtful nevertheless such as Aristi or Pingu

Vast. Nobody who researched the political positions of Obama is thoughtful. To support Him is to support huge central government, and in his case, one with a heavy layer of multiculturalism and political correctness. I'll be kind and call Him a collectivist, but socialist/fascist also fits afa a working definition. The flip side of the equation, McCain, the asshat you insisted I voted for, was equally as despicable. I'm not a voter. I'm not registered to vote and to prove it I supplied you real name, town and voting district so you could take the time to see if I'm even registered. I offered to meet you at the Bellefonte court house since we're both PA residents. You refused by saying anyone could pull a name out of a phone book. There are other equally dopey examples of our exchanges, but everyone here has read your 'work' and it's too early to bore them. As for the denizens of Robin's Nest, they deserve each other. They've either become Ds, or always have been Ds so it's best they left. As a "Nest" side note, myself and christine helped one denizen personally two Christmases ago. Times were rough and food short so we helped that person. I wouldn't have brought it up, but your constant smears of us need some balance.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-20   12:12:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Lady X, ALL (#203)

Flintlock James Deffenbach RickyJ Peppa Rotara X-15 Old Friend

Obamalamadingdong Smoker,

Has it occurred to you that we patriots take it as a badge of honor to be on the filter of a world socialist political operative ??

You condescending globalist elite wannabe eastern european sperm receptacle.

KMA&FOD

PS

Someone please copy this to the Obangoid who puts patriots on filter.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-20   12:12:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: Jethro Tull (#207)

You forgot genocidal gun grabber among other things. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-20   12:13:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: X-15 (#166)

Interesting pic. That is pretty much how I see the world.

Everything else is just a blur...

OK, Just kidding!, maybe...or maybe not.

.

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Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”

PSUSA  posted on  2008-12-20   12:14:53 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: PSUSA (#201)

That Gadsden flag is the only flag that means something to me.

The flag of the commercial UNITED STATES OF AMERIKA is a pirate flag.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-20   12:18:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: Jethro Tull (#207)

As a "Nest" side note, myself and christine helped one denizen personally two Christmases ago. Times were rough and food short so we helped that person.

yes, we have, on more than one occasion with that person and others in need, put our money where our mouths are.

christine  posted on  2008-12-20   13:13:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: christine (#212)

Yes even cats have been helped here..

Lady X  posted on  2008-12-20   13:27:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: Lady X (#213)

Yes even cats have been helped here..

I feed the neighborhood cats...wish I could provide them with a warm place to sleep... :-( As for people..? Meh.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-12-20   16:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: X-15 (#166)

You are welcome!! Here's an encore to keep the wolves of winter at bay:

I'm glad SOMEONE cares...

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-12-20   16:33:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: Jethro Tull (#186)

Williamsburg, eh..? Hmmm...I could sure use a southern road trip right about now...

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-12-20   18:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

Sorry.

There a world of difference between being an Obama supporter and recognizing trash articles that distract from the credibility of the forum. As a moderator, you'd do better to make the distinction.

angle  posted on  2008-12-22   7:18:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#218. To: angle (#217)

The extent of my moderation has been to help christine financially, not that she has ever asked for help. I'm guessing I've tossed a few hundred dollars into the pot to allow freaks like you the freedom to spew whatever nonsense you care to. I'll be more than happy to step aside, allowing you my place, providing you also contribute money and leave people free to post and read whatever they choose to. It never fails to amaze me how the cheapest bastards on the board tend to demand the most censorship.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-12-22   8:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: noone222 (#198)

Astute observation ... PC = Pointless Crap ...

hehehe.. that's even better...........

"Wherever a Knave is not punished, an honest Man is laugh'd at." -- George Savile (1633-1695)
"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-12-25   9:15:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#220. To: Jethro Tull (#218)

It never fails to amaze me how the cheapest bastards on the board tend to demand the most censorship.

Who's demanding censorship other than a few loons. I'm just saying the article's a pos. Or is that not allowed?

BTW, when I was asked for money, I gave it. Check with Christine before you make predictably false accusations.

angle  posted on  2008-12-28   16:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: tom007, JETHRO TULL, CHRISTINE, ALL (#32)

scatological pin heads

Is that anything like Fudgepacking Faggot Militants since it appears throwing slurs around is OK by you?

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids)

RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP

IndieTX  posted on  2008-12-28   17:03:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#222. To: tom007 (#32)

That said, I have a thick skin, and the babellings of a few scatological pin heads are but dust in the wind.

To match your apparently thick head Sir 'lesser evil' ObamaCON !

What a pantload you people are.

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-28   17:10:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#223. To: Rotara, christine (#26)

I don't care that a social reject like you talks your baseless trash about me, but when you go after tom007, I'm prompted to point out you'd not rise to the level of a wart on the arse of tom007. He's right, the level of discourse on this forum is lessened as of late and due to your kind. Maybe you're the kind christine wants here. People like you run off all the high class play leaving the dregs behind. A few dregs posting 24/7 keeps her happy, but hey, it's her forum.

Just my two cents, but it's worth a thousand times what any of the foul mouthed trash you post put together is worth.

Free speech? We'll see.

angle  posted on  2008-12-28   17:44:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#224. To: angle, tom007 (#223)

"Lesser of Two Evils" ObamaCON Tom -

KMA Obamanoid.

Anyone that buys the average line of reasoning of an Obot that spent any amount of time on 4um is:

a) too stupid to be helped and/or

b) a world socialist Traitor/foreign agent/Enemy Within.

Take your pick where you fit in.

BTW, your fellow travelers are over here, so it appears that you are lost.

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-28   18:01:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#225. To: angle, a vast rightwing conspirator, aristeides, ferret mike, iconoclast, Red Jones, Robin, mekons5, ..., ALL O Baaa Ma Commies (#223)

People like you run off all the high class play leaving the dregs behind.

LOL, you would get it 100% wrong.

You're a chavez-loving, algore humping mo-ran with no little tools left to play with.

Sucks to be you.

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-28   18:04:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#226. To: angle (#223)

BTW, what's a two-bit socialist sack of shit like you doing pestering a fine patriot like Christine on her own site no less ?

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-28   18:06:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#227. To: Rotara, angle (#226)

what's a two-bit socialist sack of shit like you

Like I said, scatological.

And so original, well thought out and persuasive.

I guess I should tell you the above is sarcasm lest you think I am handing you compliments.

So you supported John?

Roto - rooter?

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-12-28   19:13:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#228. To: tom007 (#227) (Edited)

Like I said, scatological.

And so original, well thought out and persuasive.

I guess I should tell you the above is sarcasm lest you think I am handing you compliments.

So you supported John?

Roto - rooter?

Robin's pathetic O Baaa Ma Commie forum not doing it for you ?

Why are you partisan world communist stains on the planet so stoooooopid ?

I don't participate in your world utopian games, Mr. Socialist with your hand out slob.

tommie girl

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-28   19:28:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#229. To: tom007 (#227) (Edited)

BTW, Einstein (ahaha), tell us all again how you missed the fact that there was NO 'lesser of two evils' AND the fact that the entire selection process is a charade run by the same people that gave us 911 ?

Why don't you give us the song and dance about how, assuming you really are just stoooooopid, you managed to believe a Black Panther Global Marxist KOSHER puppet ?

Come on, one more time for 'old time's sake'. Sell us the same stinky wad of Opoopy and then tell us we'll have to 'agree to disagree' with your sorry world communist huggin' ass.

Let's hear it TOM !

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-28   19:39:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#230. To: Rotara (#229)

Why don't you give us the song and dance about how, assuming you really are just stoooooopid, you managed to believe a Black Panther Global Marxist KOSHER puppet ?

Come on, one more time for 'old time's sake'. Sell us the same stinky wad of Opoopy and then tell us we'll have to 'agree to disagree' with your sorry world communist huggin' ass.

???

Coherency matters.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-12-28   19:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#231. To: angle (#220)

BTW, when I was asked for money, I gave it

yes, you did. that was for the NH Ron Paul ad. that's the only fundraising i have ever done on 4um.

christine  posted on  2008-12-28   19:52:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#232. To: tom007 (#230)

You're not getting off with a simple 'tom too stoooooooopid' answer.

Tell us all how an effing genius like you bent over for el Diablo Barry Barack Hussein Dunham Obama Soetoro !

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-12-28   20:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#233. To: angle, christine, Rotara (#223)

Just my two cents, but it's worth a thousand times what any of the foul mouthed trash you post put together is worth.

Well said and right on, angle.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2009-01-20   11:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#234. To: iconoclast (#233)

Hey Ico. I'm watching CNBC. Aretha is singing. Has her nose gotten wider along with the rest of her bod? Anyway.....the juxtaposition of a tanking market and the idolization of your black god is good for a laugh. Keep it light, bro.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-01-20   11:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#235. To: Jethro Tull (#234)

Hi JT, I hope things are well with you my brother.

the juxtaposition of a tanking market and the idolization of your black god is good for a laugh.

Hadn't flashed on that image .... but the synchronized tanking of the market and the Plutocrat Party surely has to be the ultimate in bitter sweetness. ;-)

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2009-01-20   12:12:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#236. To: iconoclast (#235)

the Plutocrat Party = both Rs and Ds

I do hope you agree with the above.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-01-20   12:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#237. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-01-20   13:01:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#238. To: Jethro Tull (#236)

the Plutocrat Party = both Rs and Ds

I do hope you agree with the above.

Yes, but only to a degree.

The downspin led by Clinton and the heart of the Bush administration puts the last sixteen years into a previously unmatched, traitorous category of shame and betrayal.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2009-01-20   13:15:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#239. To: iconoclast (#238)

The downspin led by Clinton and the heart of the Bush administration puts the last sixteen years into a previously unmatched, traitorous category of shame and betrayal.

Ico, shame on you. I sense you're still trapped in that D v R mess. Our political elite of both parties work together and don't give a wit about the average Joe. Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc, are/were all bags of crap who have in turn handed our kids and grand kids their very own bag of crap. Mark my words; Obingo will keep this nation in war and in deficit spending. The government will grow, and those that pay taxes will pay even more. Nothing is free, not even the 'free' health care. Today is your day as an O. I wouldn't begin to try and cut through the euphoria surrounding this coronation, but the remaining days of His presidency are ours. So stop back on occasion for a reality check. Honest assessments of current events will be harder to find as time passes by and frankly, we all know the political game here.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-01-20   13:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#240. To: TwentyTwelve (#237)

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-01-20   13:54:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#241. To: X-15 (#240)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-01-20   14:06:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#242. To: TwentyTwelve, ALL (#241) (Edited)

Oath of office BOTCHED by Obamessiah

Bush is mocked and snubbed and jeered; total disrespect.

Carter snubs Klinton

Hillary screams at Cornyn and grabs his arm

More coming in on the Rush show..........

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids)

RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP

IndieTX  posted on  2009-01-20   14:16:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#243. To: IndieTX, Rotara, christine (#242)

The stock market is down 260 points right now.

Not a good day for Obamessiah.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-01-20   14:27:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#244. To: TwentyTwelve (#243)

The stock market is down 260 points right now. Not a good day for Obamessiah.

The Opologists at CNBC (CNBS) are saying that always happens.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2009-01-20   14:34:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#245. To: Esso (#244)

The stock market is down 260 points right now. Not a good day for Obamessiah.

The Opologists at CNBC (CNBS) are saying that always happens.

mrmarketrules.com/?p=263

Last 10 Dow Jones Closes on Inauguration Day

Posted on | January 15, 2009 |

white-house

George W Bush 01/20/05 -68.5 -0.65%

01/20/01 -9.35 -0.09%

Bill Clinton 01/20/97 10.77 0.16%

01/20/93 -14.04 -0.43%

George H W Bush 01/20/89 -3.75 -0.17%

Ronald Reagan 01/20/85 34.01 2.77%

01/20/81 -20.31 -2.09%

Jimmy Carter 01/20/77 -9.64 -1.00%

Gerald Ford 08/09/74 -7.59 -0.97%

Richard Nixon 01/20/73 -7.38 -0.72%

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-01-20   14:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#246. To: IndieTX (#242)

Hillary screams at Cornyn and grabs his arm

Whoa, I missed that. Did somebody post a story on it??

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-01-20   19:32:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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