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Title: Why The Gun Is Civilization
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URL Source: http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/ccw/37877-why-gun-civilization.html
Published: Jun 10, 2007
Author: OXFORD
Post Date: 2008-12-23 20:33:20 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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Views: 325
Comments: 30
My nephew, a Kansas State Trooper, sent me the following essay this morning. Thought it was well worth posting here. Ox ----- Forwarded By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret) Finally. . . A statement about guns that makes a lot of sense. Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
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#1. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
I beg to differ. I also find it ironic that this comes from a punk with a badge. He's forgetting about having a willingness to use deadly force to kill. That seems to be a rather important variable in this equation. They are NOT on equal footing just because they are armed. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. Ya think so? Do you have a magical gun? What a dumbass this guy is. Typical, for a pig. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
Hi Itisa1mosttoolate, Why not place a sign in your yard "will provide no resistance to Rapist, Burglars or Murderers"? lol And yes.., my FIREARM is truly magical when employed against Criminal Elements equipped with equal or lesser force (firepower). Please enjoy the following quotes for additional edification (or instruction by way of humiliation if you will): "Cowards die many times before their deaths. The valiant never taste of death but once." from the play Julius Caesar by William Shakespeare. "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Luke 22:36 "This survival of the fittest, implies multiplication of the fittest." "This survival of the fittest... is that which Mr. Darwin has called 'natural selection, or the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life'." Yours in Observing Some People Destined to Go The Way of the Dodo, P.H.
In effect, it’s (The Holacaust Inc.) become like a grotesque doll wielded by witch doctors, used to keep individuals from asking too many questions, from thinking for themselves and stepping out of line.
Maybe not exactly equal, bet a hell of a lot closer than armed vs unarmed. Close enough to equal to radically change the cost/benefit analysis of a potential attacker.
In effect, it’s (The Holacaust Inc.) become like a grotesque doll wielded by witch doctors, used to keep individuals from asking too many questions, from thinking for themselves and stepping out of line.
Even more well said.
think about this being said by me or by you rather than a state trooper. it changes its meaning. agree?
You pinged me so I will respond to that. You said: Why not place a sign in your yard "will provide no resistance to Rapist, Burglars or Murderers"? lol And yes.., my FIREARM is truly magical when employed against Criminal Elements equipped with equal or lesser force (firepower). Chest thumping is unseemly and just fucking silly. But it does seem to be common among the Keyboard Kommando set, kids, and punk cops. Try that shit with someone intent on killing you and see what happens. Your only hope is if he dies laughing. Your firearm is as magical as a fucking hammer. It's just a tool, not a magic wand. It fires a projectile powered by smokeless powder, not pixie dust. Now, "Patrick Henry"... great amerikan patriot, where oh where did I ever say that there should be no resistance? You take it lightly, and it is deadly serious. Dont play with me, asshole. I guarantee you wont win. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
I'm not sure I know what you mean.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
iow, were the commentary written by a citizen rather than a LEO, who by virtue of his badge can use force, it would be advocating exercising our 2A right of self protection.
Maybe not exactly equal, bet a hell of a lot closer than armed vs unarmed. Close enough to equal to radically change the cost/benefit analysis of a potential attacker. Both true. The willingness to CONFRONT the fact of having to use force to defend one's self is the true requirement. The recognition that the beast that attacking has forfeited all right to consideration is what is required. Then the decision, that given, that then it is both just and ethical to do what is necessary to fend off or incapacitate the attacker. No sane person wishes to kill another for sport but if it is me or an attacker, and I have the means at hand, he is a goner. Ask Paxton Quiqley, author of "Armed and Female" about the "great equalizer" - she favors a "Ladysmith .357". She's barely 5 feet tall but with the "equalizer" she can "top" a six footer before his "unwelcome advances" become a painful reality. (Edit to correct typo and punctuation.)
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I originally read this several years ago and never linked it to law enforcement. It was used as a VERY pro 2nd amendment response as to why an armed society is a polite society. I think the article is right on the money and I know of several LEO's that are VERY pro guns...after all, they are, for the most part, folks just like you and me. That's not to say, there aren't a number of rogue elements in these depts. I firmly believe when push comes to shove, there are going to be a lot of folks dressed in blue, and camo, siding with the American people. The corruption from our leaders has gotten so blatant and so systemic, that the theft, lies, deceit, and collapse of the economy has woken a lot of folks up...even those in the military and LEO's. No one said this was going to be easy...this is a deadly serious situation we find ourselves in, but we have the Constitution, BOR and truth on our side...AND we are the most heavily armed population on planet earth. Have faith...we have been told this days were coming... Also...Christine, wishing you and yours and blessed Christmas and a wonderful New Year!! :?)
If they're the same brainwashed morons straight out of the sandbox they're going to be combat-junkies looking to continue their evil ways by bullying American citizens around. They can all go to hell.
Have gun, will travel.
i hope you're right. i hope more and more are *seeing* that it's the NWO against we the people. thank you for the good wishes and, of course, i wish the same for you and your family.
i hope you're right. i hope more and more are *seeing* that it's the NWO against we the people. Their arrogance is derived from the fact that the Police Surveillance state is completed. The patriot act sham, the national defense authorization acts, the military commissions acts, the domestic terrorism b.s., the FEMA holding camps, et al were hurriedly put in place with 2010 in mind. I could go on, but the fact of the matter is THEY believe they've got it tied up now. They have taken over the state guards officially and are deploying the unmanned technologies perfected in the middle east here in AmeriKa. There is one underestimation they have made that I believe could be the foreign luciferian world orderists' (and their witting tools') undoing. I'll let folks' imaginations run wild..Merry Christmas everyone ! ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Yes, I see that. If they're the same brainwashed morons straight out of the sandbox they're going to be combat-junkies looking to continue their evil ways by bullying American citizens around. They can all go to hell. I see that too. Same for the so-called "good cops". They are just as guilty as the bad cops, because they protect them. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
Maybe...but when a few of these soldiers start seeing some of their lifelong friends and relatives being shot down by other soldiers in uniform, I think it's going to be a real wake up call.
all the "high tech" surveillance in Iraq has done them little good. In fact, I'd say it may be an achilles heel. Our entire military is unable to subdue a country the size of California or a city the size of Atlanta, against a low tech group of Iraq soldiers with rifles...think about that.
I don't totally agree with you, but I agree there's a lot to think about. Explosives+ have kept the insurgency in the (now pretty much over) game, not merely small arms.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
The article was written by a retired Marine and forwarded by a trooper.
I don't recall ever lying to cover up for an employees illegal actions. Or keeping my mouth shut when someone abuses their authority. I've never perjured myself to frame someone, or extorted money to pay for a non-crime. Fuck them. They are just revenue generators. Hassling people over things that arent even crimes. Being nothing but fucking bullies with badges. They aren't like me. What a pile of horse shit that is! The so-called "good cops" are nothing but enablers for the bad cops. 2 sides to the same worthless coin. They all enable those that want more power over us. Do you really think I give 2 shits how "good" they are? You tell your "good cop" friends that they better pray and pray hard that there is no breakdown, and if there is to strip out of their uniforms and let their little balls flap in the breeze running all the way home. and to keep their heads down real low. And they better forget the Nuremberg Defense. It didn't work then, and it wont work now. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
point well taken. The article was written by a retired Marine and forwarded by a trooper.-- lodwick oops, i missed that.
Fuck them. They are just revenue generators. Hassling people over things that arent even crimes. The so-called "good cops" are nothing but enablers for the bad cops. 2 sides to the same worthless coin. Hammer meets nail. Bad drug busts at the wrong house because of a "paid informant" dirtbag, innocent dogs being shot with no repercussions, who needs people like that?? They're just legalized mafia.
Apathy, and the need to keep the paycheck coming in...that's what has gotten us to this point. Everybody that votes for these globalists leaders in BOTH parties are to blame, cops not wanting to "make waves", people buying "junk" from China because it's cheap, people voting for the crooks that promise to "redistribute" the wealth of hard working people, people who have tolerated open borders and the flood of illegal aliens with their crime, disease and the rape of the tax payers, people that have tolerated this "fiat monetary system" and the off shoring of our factories and jobs. Our "leaders" get "blow jobs" in the oval office, OUR HOUSE, and the people sit back and tolerated it. We tolerate the murder of 50,000,000 babies and the torture of innocent people in the name of fighting this fake war on terror. We tolerate "no knock" raids on our neighbors homes, only to find out the authorities had the wrong house...after they shot the dog and beat the husband and wife. We tolerated Waco and Ruby Ridge and watched 17 little children under the age of 5 being incinerated...We are about to have a communinist/marxist step into the White House and we know nothing about him...no medical records, no college records, no birth certificate. I hear you PSUSA...loud and clear...and I'm NOT making excuses for these punks with badges...not one, but their ARE some good men and women out there that serve. The fact is, we are ALL responsible for where we are today...and it's going to take a major effort to right the sinking ship. Don't let the hate and anger get you...if you do, they already won. We know what needs to be done...and we have truth on our side...just a thought...most of all, have a wonderful Christmas!!!
Invite them to debate here. Out in the open. We'll see how "good" they are. They can present their side of the story. I can't wait until they bring up the "just obeying orders" cop out. Hate and anger are the end result of putting up with their crap, not just them but also everyone else that has gotten us into this mess. Hate and anger as natural as breathing. I'll quit hating when they quit breathing. But unless you too are a cop or politician or bankster, I dont include you in this, so I wish you and yours a Merry Christmas too. I just hope we get another one next year. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
Shoot my dog, and come hell or high water, I will find a way to put a bullet through your brain. :)
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. I really think if someone tried to hurt a pug I'd shoot them without blinking an eye.
Have gun, will travel.
I'd be quicker than that, I'd shoot them before they shot my dog.
Hi PSUSA, It's been my experience that "vulgarians" such as yourself are so for lack of sound/fundamental communication skills (public skooling..lol). This being said, did you have a point other than threatening me? Yours in Inquiring "What Rock Did You Crawl Out From Under" and "How Long Ago Did You Learn to Walk Upright"..?lol, P.H.
In effect, it’s (The Holacaust Inc.) become like a grotesque doll wielded by witch doctors, used to keep individuals from asking too many questions, from thinking for themselves and stepping out of line.
It's my experience that when people take on the names of other more famous patriots they are compensating. You think you are another Patrick Henry? Now that's worthy of a LOL! .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
#2. To: PSUSA (#1)
He's forgetting about having a willingness to use deadly force to kill. That seems to be a rather important variable in this equation.
#3. To: PSUSA (#1)
He's forgetting about having a willingness to use deadly force to kill. That seems to be a rather important variable in this equation. They are NOT on equal footing just because they are armed.
#4. To: duckhunter (#3)
Well said.
#5. To: PatrickHenry (#4)
Well said. In effect, it’s (The Holocaust Inc.) become like a grotesque doll wielded by witch doctors, used to keep individuals from asking too many questions, from thinking for themselves and stepping out of line
#6. To: PSUSA (#1)
When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
#7. To: PatrickHenry, All (#2)
#8. To: christine (#6)
think about this being said by me or by you rather than a state trooper. it changes its meaning. agree?
#9. To: PSUSA (#8)
#10. To: duckhunter (#3)
(Edited)
He's forgetting about having a willingness to use deadly force to kill. That seems to be a rather important variable in this equation. They are NOT on equal footing just because they are armed.
#11. To: christine, PSUSA (#9)
iow, were the commentary written by a citizen rather than a LEO, who by virtue of his badge can use force, it would be advocating exercising our 2A right of self protection.
#12. To: Freedomsnotfree (#11)
they are, for the most part, folks just like you and me.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#13. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
#14. To: Freedomsnotfree (#11)
The corruption from our leaders has gotten so blatant and so systemic, that the theft, lies, deceit, and collapse of the economy has woken a lot of folks up...even those in the military and LEO's.
#15. To: Christine, Freedomsnotfree, ALL (#14)
(Edited)
The corruption from our leaders has gotten so blatant and so systemic, that the theft, lies, deceit, and collapse of the economy has woken a lot of folks up...even those in the military and LEO's.
#16. To: christine, X15 (#9)
iow, were the commentary written by a citizen rather than a LEO, who by virtue of his badge can use force, it would be advocating exercising our 2A right of self protection.
#17. To: X-15 (#12)
If they're the same brainwashed morons straight out of the sandbox they're going to be combat-junkies looking to continue their evil ways by bullying American citizens around. They can all go to hell.
#18. To: Rotara (#15)
#19. To: Freedomsnotfree (#18)
#20. To: All (#6)
#21. To: Freedomsnotfree, All, *Jack-Booted Thugs* (#11)
I originally read this several years ago and never linked it to law enforcement. It was used as a VERY pro 2nd amendment response as to why an armed society is a polite society. I think the article is right on the money and I know of several LEO's that are VERY pro guns...after all, they are, for the most part, folks just like you and me.
#22. To: PSUSA, lodwick (#16)
They are just as guilty as the bad cops, because they protect them.
#23. To: PSUSA (#21)
I don't recall ever lying to cover up for an employees illegal actions. Or keeping my mouth shut when someone abuses their authority. I've never perjured myself to frame someone, or extorted money to pay for a non-crime.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#24. To: PSUSA (#21)
#25. To: Freedomsnotfree (#24)
I hear you PSUSA...loud and clear...and I'm NOT making excuses for these punks with badges...not one, but their ARE some good men and women out there that serve.
#26. To: X-15 (#23)
innocent dogs being shot with no repercussions,
Used Tires Albany, NY
#27. To: Critter (#26)
Shoot my dog,
#28. To: Turtle (#27)
#29. To: PSUSA (#7)
"...just fucking silly." -PSUSA "...Try that shit.." -PSUSA "...as a fucking hammer" -PSUSA "Dont play with me, asshole.." -PSUSA
#30. To: PatrickHenry (#29)
It's been my experience that "vulgarians" such as yourself blah blah blah
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