Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
I favor the cops in this situation. It is obvious the suspect was quarrelsome with the comment he made to someone out of camera range even as he stood up from the bench seat. The cop with the suspect began to finger print the subject, who was still arguing with someone off camera. When the cop attempting to finger print the subject told him to pay attention, the subject became belligerent, verbally abusive and combative.
If I have any complaint about the cops, it was their ineptness in taking the punk to the ground immediately. Had those three cops been under my supervision, all would have received letters of instruction for their failure to perform. As a retired sergeant with the California Department of Corrections, the very first thing staff are trained to do with such unruly inmates is to get them off their feet, then pile on the squirming test-tube baby, get him in restraint gear and -- if necessary -- body slam the punk into a holding cell.
There is zero evidence to suggest that "[a]ll the first cop had to do (was) treat the guy with a little...respect and the situation would have stayed under control." The subject was argumentative from the git-go and, as evidenced by the recording, just looking for a reason to initiate a physical altercation. Had this punk done that with my team at the prison, the local hospital would have treated him for a lot more than minor injuries.
Bias is powerful and sometimes blinds. Cops and prison guards are bullies that have backup bullies to reinforce their misguided actions leading them to mistakenly believe they are always in the right.
~~~It is obvious the suspect was quarrelsome with the comment he made to someone out of camera range even as he stood up from the bench seat.
Taken out of context, he does appear irritated. We don't know the abuse he received prior to that scene. He may be showing extreme restraint and is trying to control his anger, choosing to respond to the approach from the rear by another officer by engaging him in conversation.
~~~The cop with the suspect began to finger print the subject,
You say that so casually that it seems you are intentionally ignoring the disrespectful manner in which the officer behaves. He does not have to grab. This is more evidence that cops are bullies. And what about the comment, "I can do anything I want to." Hell, that pisses ME off. Fucking bully.
~~~ who was still arguing with someone off camera.
This is exactly why a calmer approach than a hand grab is warranted. When the level on agitation is still verbal, you err when you grab and become physical. Who escalated from verbal to physical. Cops are bullies.
~~~When the cop attempting to finger print the subject told him to pay attention, the subject became belligerent, verbally abusive and combative.
You see what you want to see. "Civilians" are the enemy and cops are the good guys.
~~~If I have any complaint about the cops,
You choose not to see the obvious. The cops moved the situation from verbal to physical. Have you forgetten the grab and the repeated requests to show respect?
~~~it was their ineptness in taking the punk to the ground immediately.
From your perspective, you are correct. Bullies should work closer together when the "punks" resist the abuse. Not only are these uniforms poor police officers but, they are rather sad bullies. It must be quite embarrassing for you to defend such inept officers.
~~~Had those three cops been under my supervision, all would have received letters of instruction for their failure to perform.
I agree. These officers will need more training if they hope to become successful bullies.
~~~As a retired sergeant with the California Department of Corrections, the very first thing staff are trained to do with such unruly inmates is to get them off their feet,
"The very first thing," did you really say that? So, I am curious, do you think the first training might really need to be how to prevent officers from escalating a verbal exchange into a physical altercation? hmmmm By now, I would imagine the bully inside is starting to think I might need a little hands on attention.
~~~then pile on the squirming test-tube baby,
You just made my lack of respect argument. You guys make this too easy.
~~get him in restraint gear and -- if necessary -- body slam the punk into a holding cell.
Restraint gear would clearly be sufficient. The unnecessary body slam is the fun part of the job, I imagine, followed by a group high five.
~~~There is zero evidence to suggest that "[a]ll the first cop had to do (was) treat the guy with a little...respect and the situation would have stayed under control."
Are you serious? It is obvious to all that had the first officer simply apologized for the grabbing and asked for cooperation things might have stayed under control. I wonder how things would have proceeded had the grabbing never occurred. Cops are bullies.
~~~The subject was argumentative from the git-go and, as evidenced by the recording,
Then deal with the argument with reason and patience. Don't escalate the situation to a physical confrontation, duh. Cops are bullies.
~~~just looking for a reason to initiate a physical altercation.
I don't buy it. He asked for respect several times. He could have become physical much earlier and chose not to. He showed patience until the cop got physical. But, a bully won't see or acknowledge this issue.
~~~Had this punk done that with my team at the prison, the local hospital would have treated him for a lot more than minor injuries.
There you go again, showing your true colors. You fucking asshole bully.
Ask yourself this question. Will YOUR attitude change when you are taken down and cop/bullies don't know you used to be one of them.
Had this punk done that with my team at the prison, the local hospital would have treated him for a lot more than minor injuries.
No wonder you don't like "punks" like the guy in the video....you are too much alike. Like rival gangs of gutter trash.
And btw, you weren't a "corrections officer," you were a prison guard. That's like a trash man claiming to be a "sanitary engineer." Get over yourself.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
Excellent post. I despise bullies too and all this talk about "subjects" as if the cops were the kings of England or something pisses me off royally.
Bullies are arrogant without a cause. Cops are no different. They think they are above us in the chain of command. They need to be reminded from time to time that they "can(not) do anything they want."
I would like to say it is time to start taking the law into our own hands but, isn't it true that the founders intended for us be the final arbiters of the law. Aren't we already supposed to be keeping the bully in line?
If anyone is counting on the police to protect them when the revolution goes viral, think again. Their loyalty will be with their mostly bully brothers in uniform including the military. We are on our own folks. The updates for "Remember the Alamo" seem to be continuous. Remember Gordon Kahl, Sam Weaver, Waco, OKC, Katrina or 911. Take your pick as the reasons to rally accumulate.
If anyone is counting on the police to protect them when the revolution goes viral, think again. Their loyalty will be with their mostly bully brothers in uniform including the military. We are on our own folks. The updates for "Remember the Alamo" seem to be continuous. Remember Gordon Kahl, Sam Weaver, Waco, OKC, Katrina or 911. Take your pick as the reasons to rally accumulate.
I remember ALL of those and very well. Any one of those should have been enough to light the fuse.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
Had this punk done that with my team at the prison, the local hospital would have treated him for a lot more than minor injuries. No wonder you don't like "punks" like the guy in the video....you are too much alike. Like rival gangs of gutter trash.
And btw, you weren't a "corrections officer," you were a prison guard. That's like a trash man claiming to be a "sanitary engineer." Get over yourself.
The violent punk in the video and I are light years apart. He likes to hurt people while I like to remind people like him that there is a thing called the LAW, and it will be respected, including the officers who enforce that LAW.
I boast proudly that I was a prison guard, although my actual title was California Correctional Peace Officer. And like the "sanitary engineer," we pick up society's trash and put it some where it's odor will not offend delicate souls such as yourself.
I despise bullies too and all this talk about "subjects" as if the cops were the kings of England or something pisses me off royally.
In police work, arrested persons are called suspects; but in the prison setting, convicted felons are called "subjects" when referred to on disciplinary reports. After referring to the inmate by name, prison number and housing location, he is subsequently referred to as "subject," as in "the subject of this report...." I do apologize for the confusion. Obviously the subject of the video was not a convicted felon, but simply a suspect.
I dislike bullies, too. I don't like the way they intimidate, hurt and kill innocent citizens. That is one reason why I became a correctional officer. If they wanted to bully someone, then let them try it with me. Although I have bounced my share of inmates off the wall, my usual technique was to "pencil whip" them into compliance. I could write a disciplinary report that would ensure maximum punitive lock-up time for any inmate who violated the Director's Rules and Regulations. In fact, I was legendary for my writing ability at the Correctional Training Facility, the prison where I worked in California.
You and other nicks at this forum may not like cops, but the sad fact is that they are necessary to a civilized society. Without the police and correctional officers, citizens like you would be at the mercy of every thug who saw you as his prey. That is what people like me try to prevent. We're not always successful, true enough. But in order to keep you safe, we do our best to confront society's criminals -- and we do what must be done to get such scum bags off the street and into prisons, where they belong.
The booking officer treated the suspect with respect until the suspect decided his personal argument with an off-camera person was more important than being processed into the jail. That is when the cop brought the suspect back to reality -- and the suspect didn't like it. Too bad for the punk criminal.
We're not talking about people from high society here; indeed, we're talking about trashy thieves, thugs, rapists, murderers and God only knows what. I use to tell inmates being processed into the Correctional Training Facility, the prison where I worked in California, that if they programmed (followed the rules), they would do fine; but if they got frisky, they would be met with such overwhelming force that they would parole before they figured out what day of the week it was.
I didn't work at the prison to feel like a man. With ten years in the US Army, I already knew what it felt like to be a man. I worked at the prison to confine the worst of society's scum, so that people like you could snivel about how badly we treated the punks who would eat your liver for the fun of it.
You really need to grow up. kid. Cops and prison officers are a necessary evil. Without them, delicate souls like you would be listed under the category of deceased victims. If that is your idea of social perfection, then I can only hope that you get your wish. However, I guarantee that you won't like it.
I use to tell inmates being processed into the Correctional Training Facility
I could have guessed. My mom was a dispatcher. I hate cops.
You really need to grow up. kid. Cops and prison officers are a necessary evil. Without them, delicate souls like you would be listed under the category of deceased victims.
You are insulting. One, I'm not a kid. Two, I'm not a delicate soul. Three, I don't snivel. I've been targeted by cops for no reason other than I was my mother's daughter. Do you know what it is like to have the cops stop you for no reason because they want to arrest you for no reason other than you wouldn't...well...wouldn't? My animosity towards cops was earned!
You: "Bias is powerful and sometimes blinds. Cops and prison guards are bullies that have backup bullies to reinforce their misguided actions leading them to mistakenly believe they are always in the right."
I: You people, through your representatives, pass laws that cops and prison guards must infor5ce. If you don't want us to enforce those laws, tell your representative to stop legislating them.
You: "Taken out of context, he does appear irritated. We don't know the abuse he received prior to that scene. He may be showing extreme restraint and is trying to control his anger, choosing to respond to the approach from the rear by another officer by engaging him in conversation."
I: Taken in context, it is obvious that the suspect was not in mechanical restraint gear (hand cuffs), which indicates that he was not considered a threat to the safety of the officers. The suspect proved otherwise when he attacked the booking officer.
You: "You say that so casually that it seems you are intentionally ignoring the disrespectful manner in which the officer behaves. He does not have to grab. This is more evidence that cops are bullies. And what about the comment, "I can do anything I want to." Hell, that pisses ME off. Fucking bully."
I: The suspect was told to pay attention to the finger-printing process. When he failed to comply, the officer turned the suspect to the bench seat to lock him up. At that point the violent criminal attacked the officer. Yes, the officer does have to grab the suspect; indeed, he must keep the suspect under physical constraint at all times. What about the comment by the cop. "I can do anything that I want?" I've used the same expression when processing convicted felons into the prison where I worked. These people are under arrest. The state has taken control of them. They will do as they are instructed or else the state will force them into compliance. That is where I come in. I am there to force them to comply with the law.
You: "This is exactly why a calmer approach than a hand grab is warranted. When the level on agitation is still verbal, you err when you grab and become physical. Who escalated from verbal to physical. Cops are bullies."
I: Cops are not there to coddle people suspected of committing crimes. They are there to apprehend suspected criminals and process them into the system to stand trial. If the suspect chooses to get physical, or resist processing -- as the punk in the video did, then the cops have legal authority to force compliance. If that amounts to bullying in your opinion, then I would like to read your alternative to brute force when it comes to dealing with violent criminals.
You: "You see what you want to see. "Civilians" are the enemy and cops are the good guys."
I: I see what is obvious for anyone to see: the punk got physical and the cops did what they had to do to gain control of the criminal who raped your wife. If that "civilian" is the kind of person who you want to continue living next door to you and your wife, then continue defending him.
You: "From your perspective, you are correct. Bullies should work closer together when the "punks" resist the abuse. Not only are these uniforms poor police officers but, they are rather sad bullies. It must be quite embarrassing for you to defend such inept officers. "
I: From my perspective, when thugs ran rampant, the guardians of society, cops, should pat the murderers, rapists and bullies on the head, tell them they are misunderstood and let them rape your mother. If trying to stop such creatures from criminally butt fuking your brother, sister, father, first cousin is an embarrassment, I stand righteously accused. So tell me, fool, what have you done to stop such creatures; humm?
Enough of this nonsense!
If you have a better way of dealing with the animals who would prey on you for their own benefit, I would like to read it. More to the point, I would like to see it in action. So let's stop theorizing and start bringing your concepts into actual play. Show me where your idiocy has ever worked; okay, kid?
I've been in the trenches. I've tasted my own blood that was spilled keeping your whiny azz safe from criminals. If you have a better way based on EXPERIENCE, then post it to this board. Until then, you're just another sniveling geek who spends more time thinking than actually doing.
1. In police work, arrested persons are called suspects; but in the prison setting, convicted felons are called "subjects" when referred to on disciplinary reports. After referring to the inmate by name, prison number and housing location, he is subsequently referred to as "subject," as in "the subject of this report...." I do apologize for the confusion. Obviously the subject of the video was not a convicted felon, but simply a suspect.
2. I dislike bullies, too. I don't like the way they intimidate, hurt and kill innocent citizens. That is one reason why I became a correctional officer. If they wanted to bully someone, then let them try it with me. Although I have bounced my share of inmates off the wall, my usual technique was to "pencil whip" them into compliance. I could write a disciplinary report that would ensure maximum punitive lock-up time for any inmate who violated the Director's Rules and Regulations. In fact, I was legendary for my writing ability at the Correctional Training Facility, the prison where I worked in California.
3. You and other nicks at this forum may not like cops, but the sad fact is that they are necessary to a civilized society. Without the police and correctional officers, citizens like you would be at the mercy of every thug who saw you as his prey. That is what people like me try to prevent. We're not always successful, true enough. But in order to keep you safe, we do our best to confront society's criminals -- and we do what must be done to get such scum bags off the street and into prisons, where they belong.
4. If you have a better way, I'd like to hear it.
1. "After referring to the inmate by name, prison number and housing location, he is subsequently referred to as "subject," as in "the subject of this report...."
Uh huh. I guess it didn´t dawn on whoever thought all these formalities up that these "subjects" acually had names that their parents gave them when they were born. At least most of the time. But I guess it is easier to just call everyone a "subject" and treat everyone who isn´t a fellow cop/bully as a "suspect." You know that most cops believe it is "us versus them" with cops being "us" while all the rest of us are "them."
2. You¨"dislike bullies" or so you say. That is good, or would be if it applied equally to all bullies, even those who wore the uniform of a prison guard, cop, or state trooper. But I sense that it would be mighty hard for you to see the bully in any of those people when it would be readily apparent to one of "them" (you know, the other people who aren´t wearing those uniforms and who aren´t criminals but all of whom are "suspects").
3. I don´t dislike all cops and recognize that there are some good ones. But there are too many with a Napoleon attitude, scumbags who have been given the power of life and death over others and who should never be put in such a position. I suppose you could make the argument that there aren´t all that many like that but I submit to you that when the people who think of themselves as "brothers in arms" will coverup and refuse to break the "thin blue line" when one of the "brothers" roughs up or kills an innocent person, it makes all of you look bad.
3a. "Without the police and correctional officers, citizens like you would be at the mercy of every thug who saw you as his prey... Now I am sure you won´t believe this but some of us "citizens" are every bit as proficient with weapons and means to protect ourselves from those who would harm us as some cop whose main job is to write the report after the fact. You know that no cop has any duty to protect any individual citizen and the Supreme Court has said so. "Richard Mack, former sheriff of Graham County, Arizona, has observed: “Police do very little to prevent violent crime. We investigate crime after the fact.” "The general rule of law in the United States is that government owes a duty to protect the public in general, but owes no legal duty to protect any particular person from criminal attack. Neither the U.S. Constitution nor the federal civil rights laws require states to protect citizens from crime. As a federal appeals court bluntly put it, ordinary citizens have “no constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by criminals or madmen.” More at this link: A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
4. Yes, I have a better way than that shown by the cops in this video. Treat others, to the degree possible, as you would wish to be treated yourselves and don´t look at everyone outside the brotherhood as criminals you just haven´t caught yet. I don´t know what the guy did but the cop who was booking him provoked the response he got or so it appeared to most everyone here but you. While it is certainly true that the majority is not always right perhaps you should do some reassessment of your attitude when people who know none of the parties involved are telling you that the cop antagonized the guy and provoked a physical response when it could have been avoided.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
The violent punk in the video and I are light years apart. He likes to hurt people while I like to remind people like him that there is a thing called the LAW, and it will be respected, including the officers who enforce that LAW.
You both like to "hurt people." You just got to do it in a silly looking uniform. You and the jail punk should get together and go bowling sometime.
And you aren't talking about respect. Respect is earned and you don't earn it by cracking someones head open. What you want is fear...another point where you too are alike. Admit it, you were probably a high school wrestling team reject. The police department wouldn't have you, so you took a job that was just one step up from shopping mall security guard.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
3a. "Without the police and correctional officers, citizens like you would be at the mercy of every thug who saw you as his prey... Now I am sure you won´t believe this but some of us "citizens" are every bit as proficient with weapons and means to protect ourselves from those who would harm us as some cop whose main job is to write the report after the fact. You know that no cop has any duty to protect any individual citizen and the Supreme Court has said so. "Richard Mack, former sheriff of Graham County, Arizona, has observed: “Police do very little to prevent violent crime. We investigate crime after the fact.” "The general rule of law in the United States is that government owes a duty to protect the public in general, but owes no legal duty to protect any particular person from criminal attack. Neither the U.S. Constitution nor the federal civil rights laws require states to protect citizens from crime. As a federal appeals court bluntly put it, ordinary citizens have “no constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by criminals or madmen.” More at this link: A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
You and other nicks at this forum may not like cops, but the sad fact is that they are necessary to a civilized society. Without the police and correctional officers, citizens like you would be at the mercy of every thug who saw you as his prey. That is what people like me try to prevent. We're not always successful, true enough. But in order to keep you safe, we do our best to confront society's criminals -- and we do what must be done to get such scum bags off the street and into prisons, where they belong.
If you have a better way, I'd like to hear it.
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It's been a long time since I have read such a pile of steaming horse shit.
Cops are not a necessity in a civilized society, because they do not prevent criminals from committing crimes. All they can do, when they arent extorting money from citizens for noncrimes, is try and prevent future occurrences. And they rarely do that much.
I dislike bullies, too. I don't like the way they intimidate, hurt and kill innocent citizens. That is one reason why I became a correctional officer. If they wanted to bully someone, then let them try it with me. Although I have bounced my share of inmates off the wall, my usual technique was to "pencil whip" them into compliance. I could write a disciplinary report that would ensure maximum punitive lock-up time for any inmate who violated the Director's Rules and Regulations. In fact, I was legendary for my writing ability at the Correctional Training Facility, the prison where I worked in California.
But you dislike bullies. Right. You admit abusing inmates by "bouncing them off walls", but you dislike bullies. Makes sense to me. You admit playing word games to "ensure maximum punitive lock-up time" (read: lie) , but you hate bullies. Makes sense.
You are also nothing but a punk with a badge. Hope someone shanks you, just because you are a bully with a badge. I'll try not to shed any tears.
Do I have a "better way"? Yep. 1) recognize it is a dangerous world with dangerous people in it. 2) Arm citizens for protection from bullies like you. 3) Kill you if you or any other bully attacks a citizen. No trial, no prison, just a grave.
But that cant happen when punks with badges arrest people for CCW without "permits". Not that they committed a crime, mind you, but took the responsibility for self protection for themselves.
Anyone that dials 911 in the vain hope that a cop will save them is a fool.
Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
But you dislike bullies. Right. You admit abusing inmates by "bouncing them off walls", but you dislike bullies. Makes sense to me. You admit playing word games to "ensure maximum punitive lock-up time" (read: lie) , but you hate bullies. Makes sense.
You are also nothing but a punk with a badge. Hope someone shanks you, just because you are a bully with a badge. I'll try not to shed any tears.
Do I have a "better way"? Yep. 1) recognize it is a dangerous world with dangerous people in it. 2) Arm citizens for protection from bullies like you. 3) Kill you if you or any other bully attacks a citizen. No trial, no prison, just a grave.
But that cant happen when punks with badges arrest people for CCW without "permits". Not that they committed a crime, mind you, but took the responsibility for self protection for themselves.
Anyone that dials 911 in the vain hope that a cop will save them is a fool.
MOST EXCELLENT INDEED!!! BRAVO!!! That comment should be posted on every board in the country.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
You: "Bias is powerful and sometimes blinds. Cops and prison guards are bullies that have backup bullies to reinforce their misguided actions leading them to mistakenly believe they are always in the right."
I: You people, through your representatives, pass laws that cops and prison guards must infor5ce. If you don't want us to enforce those laws, tell your representative to stop legislating them.
Remember that, oh punk w/badge.
That defense worked wonderfully at Nuremberg. Got the nazis off the hook...
I: From my perspective, when thugs ran rampant, the guardians of society, cops, should pat the murderers, rapists and bullies on the head, tell them they are misunderstood and let them rape your mother. If trying to stop such creatures from criminally butt fuking your brother, sister, father, first cousin is an embarrassment, I stand righteously accused. So tell me, fool, what have you done to stop such creatures; humm?
You thugs are running rampant. For now. Remember though, you are outnumbered, severely, and you live at our discretion and kind heartedness. That will end shortly.
And to call them "guardians of society"? Now that is almost funny. But if you want to depend on other punks with badges to protect your precious butt from criminal "fuking", be my guest.
Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
That defense worked wonderfully at Nuremberg. Got the nazis off the hook...
Yeah, off the hook and on the end of the rope. And last time I looked there is still plenty of rope--and if it runs short I reckon bungee cords would work about as well.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
Do you know what it is like to have the cops stop you for no reason because they want to arrest you for no reason other than you wouldn't...well...wouldn't?
That defense worked wonderfully at Nuremberg. Got the nazis off the hook...
You thugs are running rampant. For now. Remember though, you are outnumbered, severely, and you live at our discretion and kind heartedness. That will end shortly.
But if you want to depend on other punks with badges to protect your precious butt from criminal "fuking", be my guest.
The Nazis used the phrase "following orders" to justify their actions. Orders are not law. If the law says that I am to keep a convicted felon in prison until his time is served, then I, as a sworn peace officer, am obligated to do so, even if it means shooting an unarmed felon as he attempts to scale the fence. If you don't like the idea of someone like me shooting a convicted serial murderer who is attempting to escape, tell your legislature to change the law.
We "thugs" are on the front lines of a war between good and evil that is occurring on your streets and in your prisons as we speak. The criminals know nor show any mercy; nor must they work as restrained as the peace officers who stand up to them. This war is not a game. People die daily, and too many of them are citizens who have done nothing to deserve what the criminals have done to them. If you have a better way to confront criminals, please, don't keep it a secret -- tell me what it is and tell me also where it has worked in the real world.
There have been a good number of times that I and other officers have had to cover each other's backs, especially in riots and on hunts for escaped inmates. So, yes, I will be your guest, thank you.
Cops are not a necessity in a civilized society, because they do not prevent criminals from committing crimes. All they can do, when they arent extorting money from citizens for noncrimes, is try and prevent future occurrences. And they rarely do that much.
But you dislike bullies. Right. You admit abusing inmates by "bouncing them off walls", but you dislike bullies. Makes sense to me. You admit playing word games to "ensure maximum punitive lock-up time" (read: lie) , but you hate bullies. Makes sense.
Do I have a "better way"? Yep. 1) recognize it is a dangerous world with dangerous people in it. 2) Arm citizens for protection from bullies like you. 3) Kill you if you or any other bully attacks a citizen. No trial, no prison, just a grave.
But that cant happen when punks with badges arrest people for CCW without "permits". Not that they committed a crime, mind you, but took the responsibility for self protection for themselves.
If you don't like the law, change it; until then, obey it -- duh!
I most certainly have bounced inmates off the wall. When they came at inmates or staff with inmate-manufactured weapons, I did everything in my power to preserve life. I have never lied -- period, especially when filling out a disciplinary report. In fact, I have never had one of my disciplinary reports over turned at the Department level, or in any court in California, including the California Supreme Court, which commended me on two of my reports for being "concise, clear and to the point" in documenting inmate misbehavior.
What do you do when your mother has been raped and murdered, kill the cop who shows up to investigate the crime? What do you do when you come home after a hard day of work to find that everything you own has been stolen -- shoot the cop who shows us to investigate the crime? What do you do when when your vehicle is stolen and used in a murder -- shoot the cop who is hunting the animal(s) who committed the crime? So who do you deny a trial? The cop who wants to see the killer of your mother in prison? Or do you just want to shoot cops and let the criminals have their way with you; humm?
If you don't like the law as legislated by your legislature, then have your legislators change it. Cops don't make law; they only enforce it. If you don;t like the law, change it -- DUH!!!!!
I most certainly have bounced inmates off the wall. When they came at inmates or staff with inmate-manufactured weapons, I did everything in my power to preserve life.
OK, if that is true then you were defending yourself. No problem. All you said was that you bounce them off walls. You didnt say why.
If you don't like the law, change it; until then, obey it -- duh!
I obey the laws I agree with. The rest of them I shitcan, where they belong. There is no way I will obey a "law" I don't agree with. Besides, who can possibly know all the laws that have been passed against us?
What do you do when your mother has been raped and murdered, kill the cop who shows up to investigate the crime? What do you do when you come home after a hard day of work to find that everything you own has been stolen -- shoot the cop who shows us to investigate the crime?
I certainly do not depend on cops to investigate anything. By then, it's TOO LATE. I reserve the right to kill the motherfucker that has the audacity to attack me or anyone else within range. The last thing I will do is call 911, that's not even on the radar.
If you don't like the law as legislated by your legislature, then have your legislators change it. Cops don't make law; they only enforce it. If you don;t like the law, change it -- DUH!!!!!
Again, all cops need to remember that. Drill it into your worthless skulls. That "just obeying orders" defense worked so well at Nuremberg. The laws they enforced were completely "legal" too.
Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
There have been a good number of times that I and other officers have had to cover each other's backs
Yeah, especially when one of your fellow gang members roughs up or kills an innocent person. Covering each other´s backs, or coverups, seems to be fairly common in "the brotherhood." And you made a comment about "peace officers" and it would be nice if the cops would confine themselves to that role rather than being puffy-chested proud about being a LEO (LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER) and running arond in BDU´s like every encounter out on the street is with a terrorist. Too many bs "laws" and not enough common sense is the obvious problem.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
