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Title: Secret of the Lusitania: Arms find challenges Allied claims it was solely a passenger ship
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Published: Dec 25, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-12-25 10:39:32 by PSUSA
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Her sinking with the loss of almost 1,200 lives caused such outrage that it propelled the U.S. into the First World War. But now divers have revealed a dark secret about the cargo carried by the Lusitania on its final journey in May 1915. Munitions they found in the hold suggest that the Germans had been right all along in claiming the ship was carrying war materials and was a legitimate military target. The Cunard vessel, steaming from New York to Liverpool, was sunk eight miles off the Irish coast by a U-boat. Maintaining that the Lusitania was solely a passenger vessel, the British quickly accused the 'Pirate Hun' of slaughtering civilians. The disaster was used to whip up anti-German anger, especially in the U.S., where 128 of the 1,198 victims came from. A hundred of the dead were children, many of them under two. Robert Lansing, the U.S. secretary of state, later wrote that the sinking gave him the 'conviction we would ultimately become the ally of Britain'. Americans were even told, falsely, that German children were given a day off school to celebrate the sinking of the Lusitania. The disaster inspired a multitude of recruitment posters demanding vengeance for the victims. One, famously showing a young mother slipping below the waves with her baby, carried the simple slogan 'Enlist'. Two years later, the Americans joined the Allies as an associated power - a decision that turned the war decisively against Germany. The diving team estimates that around four million rounds of U.S.-manufactured Remington .303 bullets lie in the Lusitania's hold at a depth of 300ft. The Germans had insisted the Lusitania - the fastest liner in the North Atlantic - was being used as a weapons ship to break the blockade Berlin had been trying to impose around Britain since the outbreak of hostilities in August 1914. Winston Churchill, who was first Lord of the Admiralty and has long been suspected of knowing more about the circumstances of the attack than he let on in public, wrote in a confidential letter shortly before the sinking that some German submarine attacks were to be welcomed. He said: 'It is most important to attract neutral shipping to our shores, in the hope especially of embroiling the U.S. with Germany. 'For our part we want the traffic - the more the better and if some of it gets into trouble, better still.' Hampton Sides, a writer with Men's Vogue in the U.S., witnessed the divers' discovery. He said: 'They are bullets that were expressly manufactured to kill Germans in World War I - bullets that British officials in Whitehall, and American officials in Washington, have long denied were aboard the Lusitania.' The discovery may help explain why the 787ft Lusitania sank within 18 minutes of a single German torpedo slamming into its hull. Some of the 764 survivors reported a second explosion which might have been munitions going off. Gregg Bemis, an American businessman who owns the rights to the wreck and is funding its exploration, said: 'Those four million rounds of .303s were not just some private hunter's stash. 'Now that we've found it, the British can't deny any more that there was ammunition on board. That raises the question of what else was on board. 'There were literally tons and tons of stuff stored in unrefrigerated cargo holds that were dubiously marked cheese, butter and oysters. 'I've always felt there were some significant high explosives in the holds - shells, powder, gun cotton - that were set off by the torpedo and the inflow of water. That's what sank the ship.' Mr Bemis is planning to commission further dives next year in a full-scale forensic examination of the wreck off County Cork. Poster Comment: What? You mean they lied? But politicians never lie! Neither do the military. Therefore there are no munitions on that ship. Its all an illusion.
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#1. To: All, *Shooters* (#0)
So not only is Remington willingly using a company that hopes to profit off of Vicky Weavers' murderer, Remington also had to know that these cartridges were on that ship. I wonder why they kept it secret all those years...
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
The Virginian Pilot May 6, 2003 Lusitania was indeed carrying armaments The Encyclopedia Americana, cited by George Tucker in his Sunday article, ``Sinking of liner Lusitania led to U.S. role in World War I,'' is incorrect. The Lusitania was carrying armaments on its final, fatal voyage in 1915. The manifest from that voyage was on display several years ago at The National Archives in Washington, D.C., and that manifest lists the munitions in the Lusitania's hold. Britain suppressed a fact-finding inquiry following the sinking. As an ostensibly neutral nation, the United States should not have been aiding either side in a conflict. Several issues about the sinking of the Lusitania are pertinent today. Why, when there are two versions of an event and no corroboration from an impartial third party, is one view accepted as truth and the other view discarded? Why did it take almost a century to reveal the contraband weapons carried by the Lusitania, and what good is that revelation after so many years? By the way, this was no sneak attack, as many Americans thought at the time. Over and over again, Germany had warned prospective passengers that the Lusitania, because it was a military reserve ship, was a fair target. Mary Muir Williamsburg
And how many totally innocent people died for this particular lie? It's always the same old lies from the same types of people. These bastards make me sick. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
Those innocent people died for a concept called Wilsonianism and his League of Nations, Ivy League dream.
Gack ! We're trying to eat brunch here my brutha !! Is it too early for a nip ?? Nahhhh
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Never too early for grog, Bob Cratchit !
Tiny Tim agrees !!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Robert Lansing was the mentor of John Foster Dulles and Allan Dulles.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
There is ample room in hell to accommodate them all...
Really? I didn't know that. But it doesn't surprise me. Amazing how these rats are all linked together.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
I read a book years ago that concluded Winston Churchhill, Lord of the British Admiralty in 1915 when the Lusitania went down off the coast of Ireland, bore responsibility for the disaster because he did not warn the ship there were German submarines in the area because he wanted it sunk to draw America into World War One on the side of Britain.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
Source: Raiders of the Deep, by Lowell Thomas, 1928, Doubleday; reprint 1940 by Sun Dial Press: Transcription of Commander Walther von Schweiger's official log of the U-20 that sank the Lusitania: 2.35 Steamer turns, takes direction to Queenstown, and thereby makes it possible for us to approach it for shot. We proceed at high speed in order to reach correct position. 3.10 Torpedo shot at distance of 700 metres, going 3 metres below the surface. Hits steering centre behind bridge. Unusually great detonation with large cloud of smoke and debris shot above the funnels. In addition to torpedo, a second explosion must have taken place. (Boiler, coal, or powder?). Bridge and part of the ship where the torpedo hit are torn apart, and fire follows. Later in the book: "The supposition is well nigh universally held in Germany, where people point to an alleged statement of Dudley Field Malone, then a Collector of the Port of New York, that the Lusitania had aboard 4,200 cases of Springfield cartridges, 11 tons of gunpowder, and 5,500 barrels of ammunition." "Only after reading foreign newspapers did he understand the immensity and horror of the disaster he had wrought. He was appalled to discover the anger of outraged humanity that his act had aroused and horrified at the thought that he was held up all over the world as an object of odium and loathing. Then he got a reprimand from the Kaiser, a condemnation for having sunk the liner. The other submarine officers resented it bitterly. Schweiger had merely carried out orders. He had been ordered to sink any ship he could in the blockaded waters. He had seen a big steamer and torpedoed it. Any other U-boat officer would have done the same, would have been compelled to do the same."
d four million rounds of U.S.-manufactured Remington .303 bullets
#2. To: PSUSA (#0)
Letter to the editor:
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a concept called Wilsonianism and his League of Nations, Ivy League dream.
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#8. To: PSUSA (#0)
Robert Lansing, the U.S. secretary of state, later wrote that the sinking gave him the 'conviction we would ultimately become the ally of Britain'.
#9. To: PSUSA (#3)
These bastards make me sick.
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#10. To: DeaconBenjamin (#8)
Robert Lansing was the mentor of John Foster Dulles and Allan Dulles.
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#12. To: Jethro Tull, PSUSA (#2)
(Edited)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
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