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Title: There Ought To Be a Law…
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Published: Jul 27, 2005
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Post Date: 2005-07-27 20:16:22 by wbales
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There Ought To Be a Law… Have you ever thought that? Ever said it? Of course. We all have. Well, most of us. This thread shall elicit ideas/thoughts/comments on proposed laws. If YOU were in charge, what law would you like to see? Could be national, state or, even, local level. And, we shall assume (which is not necessarily the case now) that the government(s) would actually enforce these laws. I’ll start. 1) Child(ren) born to an illegal immigrant would NOT be a United States citizen, yet, rather, a citizen of the native country of the mother and the both of them deported thereto upon discovery. 2) Federal Income Tax Form 1040 would be three lines: Income for year: Minus $30,000: Pay 15% of line Two. The IRS Code would be almost exclusively devoted to what is and what is not income. Any transfer of money, value of services or goods between individuals, entities, companies, corporations, anyone and anything is reportable income. Any transfers in any situation in any amount between immediate family members not to be considered income. 3) There shall be NO foreign aid to NO country EXCEPTING shipment of food, medicine, and goods related to humanitarian relief. 4) In the case a military draft is deemed required by the federal government, all immediate family members (to degree first cousin) aged 18 to 30, male and female, of: a: the federal legislative department; b: the federal judiciary; and, c: the federal executive branch (executive, cabinet level, and GS-18 equivalent and above) SHALL be drafted into active military service BEFORE any other American. 5) No American female shall serve in or near an active combat zone while in American military service. 6) In cases where the death penalty is sought by the prosecution, the burden of proof in the guilt phase shall be “beyond a reasonable doubt”. In the subsequent death penalty phase, the burden on the prosecution shall be “beyond any doubt whatsoever”. After a jury finding of guilt in both phases, the case shall be fast tracked to immediate appellate review by the state’s highest court OR the United States Supreme Court. With affirmation, the death sentence to be carried out within 10 days. 7) In cases of rape, murder, assault and batter of a high and aggravated nature, kidnapping, and armed robbery there shall be no application of ANY early release program by the executive branch upon the sentence passed by the judicial branch. Instead of time off for good behavior, the standard shall be no extra time for good behavior. A person convicted and sentenced to life in prison shall die there. 8) Any federal government agency and/or program not in existence prior to 1940 shall be abolished and any responsibilities/oversight of such agencies turned over to the respective states. 9) The legal adult age for drinking shall be 18 years. 10) No one shall be imprisoned for possession/use of any drugs. Drugs use should be considered a societal medical problem and NOT a criminal matter. 11) The American military shall be deployed on America’s borders (arm to arm, if need be) to prevent illegal entry into this country at any point of entry (the border, airports, and other ports of entry) by ANYONE. Legal immigration by productive and law abiding individuals from other countries should be encouraged, yet, heavily regulated. 12) The flat income tax percentage could only be altered by affirmative two-thirds vote of both Legislative Houses and signature of the President. 13) Any governmental authority would be strictly liable to ANY subsequent victim of a crime committed by a person released from custody by that government authority. 14) Jury trials in civil cases would be barred. A three judge panel would decide all civil cases and set damages. A unanimous decision shall not be appealable. 15) The American judicial system shall adhere to this principle: do the right thing. 16) Any and all expenditures by the federal government MUST pass this two-prong test: a) is this expenditure EXPRESSLY authorized by the original words of the U.S. Constitution, and, b) can the treasury afford the expenditure. 17) In criminal trial, the jury system shall stand. However and similar to Great Britian, the system shall be inquisitorial instead of accusatory. The seeking truth shall be the standard. The failure of a defendant to testify shall and will be held against him/her. 18) In civil cases, the loser shall be liable for costs and fess. 19) There shall NO requirement for registration of any type, kind or nature for firearm ownership EXCEPTING persons convicted of major violent felonies and adjudicated mentally ill persons shall not possess or own firearms. 20) Commission of a major violent felony with a firearm shall require a mandatory life sentence. 21) NO foreign government, directly or indirectly, shall be allowed to contact or provide ANY money, gifts or ANYTHING to a member of the American federal government. Any and all contact, requests, or issues shall be directed through the U. S. State Department. 22) American citizens qualified to run for any elected public office MAY spend ANY amount of money in such endeavor. HOWEVER, ALL monies raised from whatever and any source MUST be publicly available to ANYONE requesting such information. Failure to submit such information or concealing same shall be immediate disqualifying. 23) The American federal government SHALL furnish any and all information related to American federal government as may be requested by any American citizen ONLY charging the copying, researching, actual time costs related thereto AND within 7 days of such request. An exemption, of course, shall be made for matters of national security and military interest which could be challenged in an appropriate court (with the loser paying, remember). I’ll stop for now. Anyone have any others?
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#10. To: Arete (#7)
Well this does explain Bush's plans to overhaul the IRS code http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58554-2004Nov17.html
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
There's a real Code shrinker!!! And how about this: any law must be written in language an average American 12 th grader can comprehend. And this: English shall be and is the official language of the United States. The FCC shall NOT issue licenses to any radio or television stations that fail to broadcast in English. Nothing official shall be printed in any language excet for English.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
The Bush administration is eyeing an overhaul of the tax code that would drastically cut, if not eliminate, taxes on savings and investment, but it is unlikely to try to replace the existing tax code with a single flat income tax rate or a national sales tax, according to several sources familiar with ongoing tax deliberations. Well that will be most convenient for Smirk's wealthy friends and family. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just an observation.
Who benefits most? This isnt being proposed to benefit the average American.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
If a national sales tax passes, just hand over your wallet and bend over cause you are going to be in for the screwing of a lifetime. Richard W.
Back to the barter system for many of us serfs.
The "average" American has very little savings and investment but is up to his eyeballs in debt. No tax on savings and investment is just another handout to the already rich while most people will be pinching to put gas in the car. Richard W.
Agreed. Most live from paycheck to paycheck and as gas prices keep climbing, the middle class and poor will be hit the hardest for it will effect not only the gas they put in their cars but also any consumer item.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
EXCELLENT SUGGESTIONS... (((do I know the original author elsewhere as E...... aka JW???))) I'd add this: ENFORCE the laws already on the books. Don't pass more to address that failure. This would apply most heavily to GUN CONTROL and ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. If law enforcement USED the laws already at their disposal, there'd be no need (for example) for California to decide whether illegals deserved driver's licenses or health care benefits. No need for several states to ban or regulate legal gun ownership for law abiding citizens to stop lawbreakers from breaking laws with guns... AS IF lawbreakers would actually comply with it??? (the ultimate in idiocy... I'm originally from MA aka gun control law capital of the nation...) Good post...
I'm not a terrorist just because I think GWB may very well be the greatest threat to America right now.
Aw, dammit, ya took mine! How 'bout this one: The water intake pipes for factories and municipalities must be located DOWNSTREAM from their outflow pipes, thus giving them some incentive to return the water cleaner than they found it.
"Oh bother," said Pooh, as he chambered another round.
How about the EXECUTIVE's homes being located downstream instead? Too often, those who make the rules, don't live anywhere close so what they pollute so why would they care about the workers in the factory or the workers' families living downstream?
I'm not a terrorist just because I think GWB may very well be the greatest threat to America right now.
Attorney's fees on class action lawsuits shall not be contingency or percentage based but, rather, a fair and reasonable hourly rate reflecting actual legal work performed.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
What?
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
You sound SO MUCH like a long time cyber pal of mine who uses a handle beginning with an E and whose real name is J.W. I figured if you asked HUH? or WHAT? in response, you're prolly not him... But it was a COMPLIMENT of the highest degree, so no need for any concern or further speculation as to my meaning.
I'm not a terrorist just because I think GWB may very well be the greatest threat to America right now.
Well, invite JW over to contribute to this thread. New ideas to add to my list are appreciated.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
He was given a blanket invite by Zipporah some time ago and I've recently re~invited him. I've no clue if he's lurking, posting incognito, or just plain too busy elsewhere. He has a BLOG site you might be interested in if you're into the constitution, laws, FREEDOM ISSUES..... http://bartlebysfour.blogspot.com/ Check it out... He's a clever bloke...
I'm not a terrorist just because I think GWB may very well be the greatest threat to America right now.
Abolish the Federal Reserve--return oversight and control of the US monetary system to US Congress.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
Shall do. Thanks.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
He signed up some time ago but he's not posted as yet. Sure wish he would, he always has some great insight.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
I've heard speculation that the last Pres who gave that serious thought was JFK. Richard W.
Hey, Enderby loves to post incognito... don't be surprised if he's not already here ... A rose by any other name...
I'm not a terrorist just because I think GWB may very well be the greatest threat to America right now.
No speculation there. He was going to do it. However...
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
The only land that the US federal government shall have authority and control over--"own"--is Washington, DC and the various federal military installations. Control and authority over all other land shall revert to the respective states therein situated.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
You apparently did not read the part about limiting it to a 15% max. So your hypothetical "continuous and permanent tax increases" loses quite a bit of it's punch.
The future is so bright I got to wear shades.
Good one, with the current system when worked out to the Nth degree would lead to everything being either manditory or prohibited. Talk about total and absolute control of every aspect of our lives....well that's where it is all headed as of late.
The future is so bright I got to wear shades.
I could not disagree more. Poor people do not spend as much on things. They buy food and shelter and those would be excluded just like they are now. If someone only had the money for food and shelter how much would they be taxed???? Let me answer this for you.....NONE How the hell is that "just as discriminatory as the current form"...huh? Quit buying into the propoganda the anti sales tax cretans are selling.
The future is so bright I got to wear shades.
If they don't get rid of the national income tax and limit the percent of the sales tax when inacting the sales tax then I could not agree with you more. It would be without a kiss and without lubrication.
The future is so bright I got to wear shades.
See, you prove my point. Just like the politicians fight over how to dispense tax breaks and shelters today, they'll fight over what gets included and excluded from the sales tax and at what rates different things will be taxed. It's simply trading one evil for another -- even though I seriously doubt that the income tax would be dropped if a sales tax was imposed.
You have no way to limit it.
read post 36
The future is so bright I got to wear shades.
WTF???? Why make any laws then?
The future is so bright I got to wear shades.
To change any of these laws requires a 2/3rd's majority of the states votes.
The future is so bright I got to wear shades.
Why indeed? Seriously, I ask you to try and explain how you might prevent the next legislative session from doing whatever the heck they want. You wrote a law? They write a new one or amend the existing one. You pass a constitutional amendment? They ignore it and by the time the courts get around to ruling, the practice is so entrenched that the courts will make up some bogus justification to support the government's position.
Yes I read it. You apparently don't know that the trick is to impose the same percentage to an ever increasing price. The tax on $1/gal gasoline @ 15% is 15 cents. The same tax rate applied to $2/gal gasoline is 30 cents. It then becomes in the governments best interest to debase the currency and inflate prices so that the average American can get a double screwing by having to pay both higher prices and higher taxes. Richard W.
The only propadanda is coming from the pro big government fascists who want yet another opportunity to screw the average working stiff. Richard W.
Income for year: Minus $30,000: Pay 15% of line Two. Income tax in any form is slavery. The only fair tax would be tarrifs. The USA will be history before that happens though. The good old days are almost over for the USA.
God is always good!
True, but this is an exercise in what if.... And it would not make any sense if the proposals were useless. We all know what reality is and they ignore the laws already on the books already but I'm willing to pretend and play what if.
The future is so bright I got to wear shades.
Let’s compare for shits and giggles….. Income tax: 1. With all their lackeys in government making loopholes in the tax code. Most of your rich pay very little in taxes under the current system. 2. Tax protesters, drug dealers, bookies, people working for “cash” and on and on don’t pay income taxes. 3. The IRS is a huge wasteful beaurocracy. 4. The IRS can be used and has been used against political enemies. 5. The poor still pay income taxes even if all they can afford is food and housing. Sales tax: 1. The rich pay every time they buy things and they buy a lot more obviously. 3. IRS is gone. 4. The sales tax is by it’s nature not a political weapon to be used on an individual. 5. A poor family restricted to the bare essentials will have minimal taxation. Look you can throw out …yea but…they won’t get rid of the income tax and…. Come on, let’s be logical. For one it is a comparison between the two systems. Is one better than the other? Well it is fairly obvious to any thinking person IMHO. Yea, but they will keep raising the rates….well so fucking what they can do the same to the income tax, nothing new there.
The future is so bright I got to wear shades.
1) The rich will be just as creative at evading the sales tax as they are at evading the income tax, luxury taxes, estate taxes and such today. 2) A robust blackmarket/barter economy will spring up and you'll have just as many people sidestepping your sales tax system. 3) The IRS most certainly will NOT be gone. Regulation and enforcement will be just as big an industry under a sales tax as under an income tax. 4) The sales tax can be used as a political weapon at least as easy as the income tax, if not more so. "Excuse me sir, we have authorization from the tax court to audit your home for any items lacking a tax stamp." 5) Excluding the poor from taxation is hardly a goal of mine and would be considered a major negative in my book. But that's because I'm not a "progressive."
You used to strike me as a fairly rational person, but I see I was way off base.
The future is so bright I got to wear shades.
I suppose I can be irrational at times, but frankly I see nothing irrational about my analysis of the national sales tax. Realistically we both know that if it ever passes, we'll simply end up with two tax systems for the politicians to suck us dry with. Philosophically, even if it was the only system in play it is quite apparent that the politicians would monkey with it exactly like they do everything else. What is it that you find irrational about acknowledging those facts of reality?
Inflation will kill most people as then it would be in the governments interest to keep debasing the currency while keeping wages low for corporate interest. A national sales tax almost guarantees continuous and permanent tax increases. It would be the best thing since sliced bread for big brother government.
#11. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#8)
Further, each new law, when enacted, must specify two old laws that will be retired before it can take effect.
#12. To: Zipporah (#10)
Thursday, November 18, 2004; Page E01
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#13. To: robin (#12)
Well that will be most convenient for Smirk's wealthy friends and family. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just an observation.
#14. To: Zipporah (#10)
Well this does explain Bush's plans to overhaul the IRS code
#15. To: Arete (#14)
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#16. To: Zipporah (#13)
This isnt being proposed to benefit the average American.
#17. To: Arete (#16)
The "average" American has very little savings and investment but is up to his eyeballs in debt. No tax on savings and investment is just another handout to the already rich while most people will be pinching to put gas in the car.
#18. To: All participants on THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW (#17)
#19. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut, wbales (#8)
Further, each new law, when enacted, must specify two old laws that will be retired before it can take effect.
#20. To: Indrid Cold (#19)
How 'bout this one: The water intake pipes for factories and municipalities must be located DOWNSTREAM from their outflow pipes, thus giving them some incentive to return the water cleaner than they found it.
#21. To: Zipporah (#17)
#22. To: siagiah (#18)
(((do I know the original author elsewhere as E...... aka JW???)))
#23. To: wbales (#22)
#24. To: siagiah (#23)
#25. To: wbales (#24)
#26. To: Arete (#7)
#27. To: siagiah (#25)
#28. To: siagiah (#25)
#29. To: wbales (#26)
Abolish the Federal Reserve--return oversight and control of the US monetary system to US Congress.
#30. To: Zipporah (#28)
To: siagiah He signed up some time ago but he's not posted as yet. Sure wish he would, he always has some great insight.
#31. To: Arete (#29)
I've heard speculation that the last Pres who gave that serious thought was JFK.
#32. To: timetobuildaboat (#4)
#33. To: Arete (#7)
Inflation will kill most people as then it would be in the governments interest to keep debasing the currency while keeping wages low for corporate interest. A national sales tax almost guarantees continuous and permanent tax increases. It would be the best thing since sliced bread for big brother government.
#34. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#8)
each new law, when enacted, must specify two old laws that will be retired before it can take effect.
#35. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#9)
Not only that, but it would be just as discriminatory as the current form of income tax once the legislatures started writing in the exclusions and such.
#36. To: Arete (#14)
If a national sales tax passes, just hand over your wallet and bend over cause you are going to be in for the screwing of a lifetime.
#37. To: timetobuildaboat (#35)
and those would be excluded just like they are now
#38. To: timetobuildaboat (#33)
You apparently did not read the part about limiting it to a 15% max. So your hypothetical "continuous and permanent tax increases" loses quite a bit of it's punch.
#39. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#37)
even though I seriously doubt that the income tax would be dropped if a sales tax was imposed.
#40. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#38)
You have no way to limit it.
#41. To: wbales (#0)
#42. To: timetobuildaboat (#40)
#43. To: timetobuildaboat (#33)
You apparently did not read the part about limiting it to a 15% max. So your hypothetical "continuous and permanent tax increases" loses quite a bit of it's punch.
#44. To: timetobuildaboat (#35)
Quit buying into the propoganda the anti sales tax cretans are selling.
#45. To: wbales (#0)
2) Federal Income Tax Form 1040 would be three lines:
#46. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#42)
You pass a constitutional amendment? They ignore it
#47. To: Arete (#44)
The only propadanda is coming from the pro big government fascists who want yet another opportunity to screw the average working stiff.
#48. To: timetobuildaboat (#47)
#49. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#48)
#50. To: timetobuildaboat (#49)
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