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Title: Progressives” Will You EVER Learn
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Published: Dec 27, 2008
Author: Coral Snake
Post Date: 2008-12-27 01:22:34 by Coral Snake
Keywords: Progressives, Taxation, Failed Programs, Prop 13
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Progressives” Will You EVER Learn by Coral Snake On a recent trip to Robin’s “People’s Forum” site I saw a further sign that those who call themselves “Progressives” will NEVER learn about the consequences of increasing the size, scope and taxation ability of government. This came from a post by Robin herself from a blogger criticizing California’s Proposition 13 designed to keep Property Taxes under control. Basically this blogger clamed that California’s budget crisis was caused by the inability to raise property taxes indiscriminately because of Proposition 13 . (Predictably this post did not pick up a single reply because even self styled “progressives” don’t want to be kicked out of their own homes by unaffordable high taxation which was the situation in California when Prop 13 was put on the ballot. Needless to say Robin’s blog post does not mention THAT part of the prop 13 story.) The problem with “Progressives”, even those independent of the One World State Conspiracy is that they will never seem to learn that most basic part of the science of economics, GOVERNMENT CAN NOT CREATE WEALTH, it can only STEAL it under the cover of legal authority. While some taxation is necessary to keep the type of civilization humans have become accustomed to going TOO MUCH of it is just as detrimental to that civilization as none of it at all. All and all excessive government theft in the form of taxation is bad for the economy in the following ways. 1. It diverts capital from the private sector which is the only sector of our civilization that can actually CREATE wealth. 2. Like “gun control” the ability to tax excessively creates an attitude of arrogance on the part of government officials that leads ultimately greater crimes up to and including GENOCIDE and MASS DEMOCIDE. 3. Especially with property taxation it turns the state into essentially mortgage brokers over mortgages that are permanent and mandatory. Mortgage payments made under such circumstances should be absolutely minimal, period. Well, the “Progressives” may ask if we can’t tax excessively like the European states do than how do we get the cash to finance all of the “wonderful” programs we want to get for you. Our first response to this question should be. Is a program based to some degree on THEFT really all that wonderful. We can indeed say that sum are but many and even most AREN’T. So here “is my idea “progressives”. Why don’t give up the programs that AREN’T wonderful, that have already proven failures and use the money gained from an acceptable level of taxation for new ones that might be. Here are a few suggestions. 1. Gun Control. This failed program was touted as a method of reducing crime by preventing it before it starts by keeping guns out of criminal and insane hands. Has “gun control” done that job, NO. In fact we have more crime and more brazen crimes (like post office, school and even SANTA CLAUS disguise shootings now than in the 1950s when guns could be bought virtually anywhere “cash and carry” or even through mail order catalogues than we have in our “gun controlled” nation of today. Not only that buy far from stopping crimes gun control has a verifiable history of enabling the SUPER crimes of genocide and depopulationism that can only be implemented by States against their unarmed citizens. So instead of excessive taxations I would say that getting rid of ALL “gun control” which is only ONE if the many multi billion dollar rat holes of failed government programs would free up a lot of funds for health care, infrastructure, alternative energy and other programs that modern “progressives” want to try out. 2. Public Education. The current public education system is another monumental failure like “gun control” that progressives don’t want to admit FAILED. That is it failed if public education’s purpose is to teach children how to read, write, figure without a computer or pocket calculator, know the basic history of this nation and the civics of the constitutional republican state, basic science and health maintenance. This is what most people who still support public education think it is for but things like standardized test scores and modern employment resumes prove the FAILURE of public education to achieve even this minimum of knowledge necessary for the maintenance of civilization. Once again “progressives” WON’T admit this but the results of our poor public education system is the REASON a lot of jobs are being “outsourced” to nations that not only allow for lower wages but also where their public education systems teach the BASIC KNOWLEDGE necessary to do those jobs. Therefore I would say that if you “progressives” want health care, infrastructure, and alternative energy programs then public education should be cut back to its original purpose of teaching reading of ALPHEBETIC LANGUAGES (phonetic instruction), Penmanship and writing, Basic to advanced Arithmetic and Mathematics depending on grade and basic history civics and science. This would greatly reduce the actual costs of public education (most public education money is put in psychological, values neutral “Values Clarification”, peer relating, and other nonsense designed to brainwash children into the system of “progressivism” rather than those basic universal academic subjects needed to maintain ANY kind of a civilization be it Conservative, Libertarian, “Progressive” Socialist or whatever. Fractional Reserve Banking and Usury, Here is one area of regulation where I actually think the “progressives” don’t go far to the left enough. Most progressives are for very strict regulation of the banker practice of “FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING”, the lending out of non existent “money” at real usury hoping for the usury to make up the difference in the books. In actuality this is one banker practice which should be absolutely BANNED, not just regulated, BANNED! This is nothing but a form of legal counterfeiting and fraud and one that costs lots of money to simply regulate. BANNING IT ALTOGETHER would free up much of the money going down the banker regulation rat hole that DID NOT STOP THE CURRENT FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING BASED ECONOMIC CRISIS for use in other programs. I say reducing or getting rid of these three programs alone (there are some others but I’m trying to fit this article into a forum post) would free up the needed funds for health care, infrastructure and alternative energy programs WITHOUT having to steal any more wealth through the taxation system. To the Conservatives, Constitutionalists and Libertarians on Freedom4um. This article supports programs which you may not necessarily agree with, (Health Care, Infrastructure Improvements and Alternative Energy programs especially). This is because it is not aimed at you. It is aimed at any “progressives” still left on these forums after the split to show them how their OWN FAILED PROGRAMS Are keeping them from developing any new programs by any other means by stealing ever larger amounts From the genuinely productive sector of the economy through the taxation system in hopes that they will finally learn the ultimate lesson of the article that the GOVERNMENT CANNOT CREATE WEALTH.
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#1. To: Coral Snake, TwentyTwelve (#0)
I'm going to need some popcorn it appears.
4um Traitor How much has been stolen from producers in the War on Poverty ? What have the results been ? Zip, zero, nada - no CHANGE.
4um Traitor I would be happy to share. "And it's going, going, going, ... it's gonnnnne. Over the bleachers Home Run." Government is first, second, and always - force. It is an entity with the ability to compel compliance by force. While that can be, when justly used, to the benefit of all in the wrong hands it is tyranny. That is why our Constitution was written - to keep government under control. Sadly, it has failed. What the ""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Where's Your Line? It's hard to draw in shifting sand by Jeff Knox (MANASSAS, VA November 4) Last week in this space I painted with a broad brush and general terms on the topic of armed revolt. The trouble with speaking in broad, general terms is that the author's general intent and the reader's general perception can turn out to be pretty far apart–generally speaking. That causes unnecessary conflict and is just sloppy writing. I'll try to do better. In this installment I'd like to try to clear up a few things and hopefully get you thinking about what matters to you. First, about last week's column: In no way did I intend to suggest that anyone who quotes Jefferson or wears a "molon labe" T-shirt is just guff and bluster. I quote Jefferson and wear a "molon labe" T-shirt and I'm absolutely serious about them. I know I'm not alone in that. I think that sending that message loud and clear to the powers that be is very important and useful. My suggestion that 99.995% of the time the slogan will be removed before it is lived up to was intended as hyperbole, but when you consider the thousands of people whose gun rights are temporarily or permanently revoked each week by traffic cops, divorce courts, and criminal indictments, that figure might not really be that far off. Finally, the three key points I was trying to make were: 1. The time for violent revolution is when all other avenues and options have been exhausted. We are not there yet. 2. With a small portion of the coordination and commitment (not to mention pain and heartbreak) that would be necessary to win a violent revolution, a political revolution could be waged and won. 3. Any act of violence against the government or politicians in the current environment will do nothing but hamper efforts to regain and restore the Second Amendment and the Constitution. Writing about the subject of armed rebellion, and when and whether people would or would not participate, is complicated because different people draw their lines in different places. It is easy to say, "I will never give up my guns," but what does that really mean? Does it mean refusing to temporarily surrender a sidearm to a paranoid cop writing you a speeding ticket? Does it mean disobeying a court order stemming from a domestic restraining order (a routine move among some divorce lawyers)? Does it mean disobeying a law requiring registration of "assault weapons?" One man's inconvenience is another man's last straw. The question then is, "Where do you draw the line?" "When do you fight?" Most of the people I have spoken with about this have an image in their head of government teams with 4473's and NICS reports going house to house searching for and confiscating all weapons they find. The scenario usually includes one or more Waco-style stand-offs leading to masses of gunowners rallying in defense of their fellows. The problem with such scenarios is that the gun banners in Washington know how that story plays out too. While some are arrogant and stupid enough to push forward with a confrontation, cooler and smarter heads generally prevail. Incrementalism isn't just about only getting what they can when they can, it's part of the slow boil strategy to keep the frogs from jumping out of the pot. Playing into the hands of those who gradually turn the heat up are those who would make deals to accept legislation that is "less bad" rather than standing firm for "all or nothing." Anytime someone speaking for the Gun Lobby signs off on a bad bill to avoid a worse bill, they are signing away the right to reasonably resist the resulting law. By conceding the principle, they also make the next turn of the ratchet that much harder to fight. At some point in the incremental erosion of your rights each of us will have to make a choice regarding what we will and will not tolerate. The good thing – perhaps the only good thing – about incrementalism is that your first choice probably won't have to be one of life or death. It might be to refuse to register a firearm you already own. The bad thing about incrementalism is that where a major step like confiscation would clearly cross the line for a lot of people and precipitate a broad response, some would see a little step as no big deal. It is difficult to rally opposition to "minor" changes. The key is to draw specific, realistic lines in advance. Consider the various gun control schemes that are likely to be put forward starting with those that would have the least impact on the fewest people and work your way up from there. For each scenario, decide what you think the public reaction will be and what your reaction will be, then move on to the next. It's an exercise in core values and taking care of this soul searching before you are placed under the stress of the moment will make it easier to make the right decision at the right time. What are your core values? Where do you draw your lines? Permission to reprint or post this article in its entirety is hereby granted provided this credit is included. Text is available at FirearmsCoalition.org. To receive The Firearms Coalition’s bi-monthly newsletter, The Hard Corps Report, write to PO Box 3313, Manassas, VA 20108. 4um Traitor Thank you my dear. That reminds me - there's Seasonal Brew in the deep freeze !!!
4um Traitor Ever increasing property and other taxes are the direct result of misguided citizens asking government to provide some service, solve a problem or whatever. An example is a tenant who finds something unsatisfactory with the accommodation being rented and who instead of moving to a more satisfactory place, complains to the city. The city, which actually invites complaints, builds up a bureaucracy of health and other inspectors who with the tact of a school-yard bully, direct the landlord to effect a list of remedies so long that the landlord kicks out the tenant and sells the property. This results in not only fewer rental properties but take over of the rental market by much higher-priced corporate landlords who hire costly professionals to look after the upkeep of the rental properties. Clamor by those who cannot afford the higher-priced accommodation results in the city and other levels of government having to provide low-cost accommodation, by of course, increasing taxes. Unfortunately, this cycle can only be broken by a devastating economic depression during which most can't afford the high taxes and the meddling and initiative-stifling bureaucrats have to be purged from the system.
4um Traitor Welcome back.
Mark If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
At the top of the list should be the $1 trillion obscenely-misnamed "defense" budget. Cut it by $900 billion and the U.S. would still spend more than any nation on the planet. And give me whatever portion of my taxation funded it. I'll decide where to spend it or whether to spend it at all.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
excellent commentary, CS. just when did *they* become progressives. that's what i'd like to know. btw, i support Infrastructure Improvements (an AmericaFirst issue) and Alternative Energy research, etc if it were done by private industry rather than government agencies.
Very, very good, CS.....I can't believe I just read an article by you that I wasn't jumping up and down, pounding the keyboard, pulling hair, swearing, blah blah blah. This is well thought out. Bravo. And tis only the tip of the iceberg, so to speak.....but at least you nailed it down, while the a**holes in Congress can't figure it out.
Progressive, as per Webster. socialist • adjective the socialist movement synonyms: left-wing, progressive, leftist, labor, anti-corporate, antiglobalization; radical, revolutionary, militant; communist; informal lefty, red. antonym: conservative. antonym: Axelrod on MTP this morning made the statement that Obama intends to pursue a progressive agenda bump
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#2. To: Coral Snake (#0)
This article supports programs which you may not necessarily agree with, (Health Care, Infrastructure Improvements and Alternative Energy programs especially). This is because it is not aimed at you. It is aimed at any “progressives” still left on these forums after the split to show them how their OWN FAILED PROGRAMS Are keeping them from developing any new programs by any other means by stealing ever larger amounts From the genuinely productive sector of the economy through the taxation system in hopes that they will finally learn the ultimate lesson of the article that the GOVERNMENT CANNOT CREATE WEALTH.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#3. To: Rotara (#1)
I'm going to need some popcorn it appears.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss — The Who
#4. To: Coral Snake (#0)
The problem with “Progressives”, even those independent of the One World State Conspiracy is that they will never seem to learn that most basic part of the science of economics, GOVERNMENT CAN NOT CREATE WEALTH, it can only STEAL it under the cover of legal authority. While some taxation is necessary to keep the type of civilization humans have become accustomed to going TOO MUCH of it is just as detrimental to that civilization as none of it at all.
Progressives Socialists don't get, and cannot get because they are not sane, is that stealing the produce of the productive to give to the unproductive results in the productive not producing as much, or forcing them into the role of scofflaws to protect themselves. Because it creates resistance to the Socialists tyrannical policies there is an ever increasing spiral towards a slave state in order to achieve Socialisms alleged ends. In the end it achieves only tyranny.
#5. To: Original_Intent (#4)
Knox report From the Firearms Coalition
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#6. To: farmfriend (#3)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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#8. To: Tatarewicz (#7)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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#13. To: Coral Snake.all (#0)
What rowdee said.
• noun a well-known socialist synonyms: left-winger, leftist, progressive, progressivist; radical, revolutionary; communist, Marxist; informal lefty, red.
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