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Title: Video: Watch this pig murderer and tell me you still trust cops
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URL Source: http://www.ktvu.com/video/18409133/index.html
Published: Jan 5, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-01-05 14:24:47 by PSUSA
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This was an execution.

PSUSA  posted on  2009-01-05   14:25:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Maybe he had a gun. There was not enough info. to make a call of murder. The witnesses know what happened. Let's hear the whole story.

Bias is a powerful detractor.

The officer is innocent until proven guilty.

wakeup  posted on  2009-01-05   18:29:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Maybe he had a gun. There was not enough info. to make a call of murder. The witnesses know what happened. Let's hear the whole story.

You a cop? If so, fuck off and die. If not, then wake up.

Hmmm. Maybe he had a gun, you say. Was there a gun found? No, there wasn't. Hmmm. No gun found? Go figure. If a gun was found, then there would be no need for an investigation, right???? In fact, the articles I read state explicitely that no gun was found.

Perhaps you can find mention of a gun in one of these articles. www.google.com/search?q=b...official&client=firefox-a Perhaps you could search real hard to find it.

You think I am biased? Fuck yes I am biased.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-01-05   18:36:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Bias... one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of a question.

You are prejudging. That is unfair and un-American. If we want others to treat us fairly and not prejudge us, we should be willing to do the same.

Hypocrisy is equally distasteful.

And no, I am not a police officer. Do you put all police officers in the same camp? You want all police officers to "die?" You do not seem to be thinking clearly.

You appear to be an illogical, foul-mouthed, prejudiced hypocrite. If this truly describes you, of what value is your opinion, sir?

wakeup  posted on  2009-01-05   19:02:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Bias... one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of a question.

You are prejudging. That is unfair and un-American. If we want others to treat us fairly and not prejudge us, we should be willing to do the same.

Hypocrisy is equally distasteful.

And no, I am not a police officer. Do you put all police officers in the same camp? You want all police officers to "die?" You do not seem to be thinking clearly.

You appear to be an illogical, foul-mouthed, prejudiced hypocrite. If this truly describes you, of what value is your opinion, sir?

So, did you check those articles for a mention of a gun in his possession? Out of the kindness of my heart I spoonfed you a nice handy link. Do you want me to check the articles too? I said there was no mention of any gun in his possession in the articles I read, but perhaps I am lying?

I dont care what you think of me personally. I suggest using the bozo function. That's what it's there for. I will not tailor my posts to your liking.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-01-05   19:49:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

i agree with you. Sometimes a good cuss word is appropriate for emphasis. also, i think people's exposure to information over a long period of time gives them a certain confidence in an undenial reality. for example there are guys here who strive to work with and befriend cops into the 911 truth/ liberty movement. (ha.)

i suppose they're well intentioned,...

Artisan  posted on  2009-01-05   20:05:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If they are seeking these cops out, then they're infiltrated. They are letting these cops watch and babysit, just waiting for them to do something, or they will try to instigate them into doing something "illegal".

I dont use it unless provoked. I was provoked. But it is still wrong. I really should watch my language. Easier said than done, nowadays.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-01-06   8:27:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I do not agree with Wakeup. This incident had many witnesses and videos. The officer is PROVEN GUILTY by his peers.

Why?

Because our justice system is broken. The case will go to court. Would anyone like to guess the verdict? The officer is likely to walk. He might even be promoted. Because our justice system is broken.

We all know it. But, when you see it and feel it in your own life, the curtain in front of your eyes disappears and you wake up in a POLICE STATE. It will only get worse. So the calm heads say "Wait, he is not guilty until all the evidence comes before a court of law." Well that was the old America of our fantasies, and NOW we all live in the new Amerika of george bush.

octavia  posted on  2009-01-06   9:46:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Because our justice system is broken. The case will go to court. Would anyone like to guess the verdict? The officer is likely to walk. He might even be promoted. Because our justice system is broken.

No.

At the very least the BART cop's career in law enforcement is over.

I believe that the investigation will show that it was a negligent discharge.

Perhaps he was one of the officers who was handed a TASER at shift change, and perhaps under the stress of being the arresting officer with his co-workers looking on (possibly while the dead man, an ex con who may have known the tricks to non violent resistance which are taught in CA prisons) the officer grabbed for the TASER and drew his firearm instead. (They've had a problem in the past which is why they wear the TASER on the weak side facing backwards. Under stress officers invariably default to their training, and in this scenario that may be little or nothing for the TASER in crowd or suspect control.

That angry crowd was quite likely very intimidating because as we saw BART cannot push a button and have cops roll up from all over the city. That handful was basically on their own as the onlookers grew ever bolder and more intimidating, and the young officer may have lost his edge. Keep in mind that with only two years on the job he may not have had much experience in highly charged and potentially explosive situations, and if he was struggling to get the suspect cuffed and possibly being ragged by fellow officers while keeping an eye on that crowd, well, it seems to me that "negligent" (not to be confused with "accidental") discharge will be the likely finding of the investigators.

I'll never believe that the cop intentionally drew and shot the suspect in front of a crowd and a rolling video camera. (The cops clearly spotted the cam) If in fact he intentionally pulled the trigger then he believed he was firing a TASER. (The 19 yr old woman with the camera said that she didn't believe the suspect was handcuffed and they were continuing to struggling with him)

More likely, the cop drew the wrong weapon and simply forgot the first rule of firearms safety, then discharged the weapon because he was very nervous.

He may be charged with involuntary manslaughter. If he happens to be a "nice boy" who looks like every mother's son he may just beat the rap in CA or serve no jail time, but his 832 POST certificate is history.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-01-06   10:23:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Any cop who can't tell the difference between holding a taser and his sidearm in a moment of stress is NOT QUALIFIED to wear the badge. No, I will not give this BART cop the benefit of the doubt, he knew damn well what he was doing.

X-15  posted on  2009-01-06   16:33:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"Any cop who can't tell the difference between holding a taser and his sidearm in a moment of stress is NOT QUALIFIED to wear the badge."

No argument there, and as I said his career is finished.

"I will not give this BART cop the benefit of the doubt, he knew damn well what he was doing."

The problem with that thinking is the facts don't support it.

For instance years ago there was a shootout and several CHP officers were killed, and the dead officers were found with empty brass in their pants pockets.

At the CHP academy they were trained not to throw empty cases on the ground during shooting sessions and under stress they reverted to that training and it may well have cost them their lives. (They should have dumped the empties and performed tactical reloads instead of stuffing empties in the pants) It also forced the training agencies to review and rethink their training and it was shocking to learn that under stress some people's minds "run home to Mama."

And, BART cops don't get nearly as much training or excitement as municipal, county or state officers who pull drug raids and felony traffic stops. Even though all CA Peace Officers must hold a 832 POST Certificate, that alone doesn't qualify them for high stress police work, and they have to be tested on the street to prove themselves.

I don't know why anyone would find it hard to believe that some nervous young fellow could make it two years before his weakness was a revealed. Obviously it wouldn't take that long if he was with the FBI's HRT but he was a transit cop, and there's a big difference in the amount of stress and the types of arrest scenarios they face.

I knew two reserve police officers in CA and they were both the squirreliest guys you'd ever wanna meet. One was a surgical assistant (and a fag) and the other was a spoiled, rich Armenian kid who wanted to play cop and impress his "friends". Both had trouble on the street and neither were really what we'd think of as assets to law enforcement. But, they finished the course and were hired and given the chance to screw up. Le's face it, the best and the brightest have better things to do than to work as volunteer police officers, so the agencies have to take what they can get. And needless to say some of those guys are eventually hired as full time cops.

In CA law enforcement is worshiped by many young men and women, and they regard it as the highest achievement to which they can aspire. (The cop shows are all made there in Hollywood don't forget.)

Another guy I knew who was in the academy to be a cop actually made it on THE PEOPLE'S COURT after he sold a gun to yet another guy I knew. He believed that since the guy was late on one payment the money and the gun was his to keep, but, Judge Wapner told him different. If I could show you that tape and tell you what I know about those two, you'd have a full appreciation of the types of guys who are attracted to the gun, the badge and the power in CA and elsewhere.

They are a lot of things but cold blooded murderers? I don't think so. People who default to that opinion are likely wrestling with demons of their own and projecting that onto ordinary garden variety police wanna bees.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-01-06   17:38:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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