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Title: Video: Watch this pig murderer and tell me you still trust cops
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URL Source: http://www.ktvu.com/video/18409133/index.html
Published: Jan 5, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-01-05 14:24:47 by PSUSA
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#1. To: All (#0)
This was an execution.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
When I was still living in Santa Clara, I had the opportunity to see the local police roust a vagabond. The guy had that "ex-con" look, was sitting on the ground, shirtless, being cooperative. Guess how many cops they had there rousting him? Did you guess two? Three? How about five? Maybe ten? Nope. Try, get this, FORTY cops there. No lie! I am NOT kidding and I am NOT exaggerating. There were over 25 cop cars in the parking lot to roust this guy. There were so many cop cars there that they had to have a couple of the cops on the scene direct traffic around the traffic jam caused by all of the cop cars. It was just unbelievable. Needless to say, I've lost a lot of respect for the police over the years. As of now I just do my best to avoid them at all costs. All they're good for is harassing and robbing people, they do nothing to "protect and serve" any longer.
#2. To: PSUSA (#0)
stone-cold murder bump
#3. To: PSUSA (#0)
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#4. To: PSUSA (#0)
O M G
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids) RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP 
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#5. To: Elliott Jackalope (#3)
/sneer/ Was there a Dunkin Donuts there? I know you're not kidding or exaggerating. .
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Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
#6. To: PSUSA, *libertarians* (#0)
ping
Americans used to roar like lions for liberty. Now they bleat like sheep for security
#7. To: PSUSA (#0)
The definitions of "Resisting arrest" and "Assualt on a Pig" have now become whatever they want them to mean. Breathing is resisting. And innocents are paying the price. Cops have no hesitation about assaulting someone, or killing someone. None at all. They're uniforms make them almighty gods in their eyes. Their morality is never questioned. Their actions are never questioned. These cops are criminals hiding guns behind badges.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids) RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#8. To: PSUSA (#1)
Maybe he had a gun. There was not enough info. to make a call of murder. The witnesses know what happened. Let's hear the whole story. Bias is a powerful detractor. The officer is innocent until proven guilty.
#9. To: wakeup, All (#8)
You a cop? If so, fuck off and die. If not, then wake up. Hmmm. Maybe he had a gun, you say. Was there a gun found? No, there wasn't. Hmmm. No gun found? Go figure. If a gun was found, then there would be no need for an investigation, right???? In fact, the articles I read state explicitely that no gun was found. Perhaps you can find mention of a gun in one of these articles. www.google.com/search?q=b...official&client=firefox-a Perhaps you could search real hard to find it. You think I am biased? Fuck yes I am biased. .
Maybe he had a gun. There was not enough info. to make a call of murder. The witnesses know what happened. Let's hear the whole story.
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Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
#10. To: PSUSA (#9) (Edited)
Bias... one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of a question. You are prejudging. That is unfair and un-American. If we want others to treat us fairly and not prejudge us, we should be willing to do the same. Hypocrisy is equally distasteful. And no, I am not a police officer. Do you put all police officers in the same camp? You want all police officers to "die?" You do not seem to be thinking clearly. You appear to be an illogical, foul-mouthed, prejudiced hypocrite. If this truly describes you, of what value is your opinion, sir?
#11. To: PSUSA (#0)
I would say this was a premeditated murder, with assistance from at least one other cop. If I were king, they both would have been hung 1/2/09.
#12. To: wakeup (#10)
You are prejudging. That is unfair and un-American. If we want others to treat us fairly and not prejudge us, we should be willing to do the same. Hypocrisy is equally distasteful. And no, I am not a police officer. Do you put all police officers in the same camp? You want all police officers to "die?" You do not seem to be thinking clearly. You appear to be an illogical, foul-mouthed, prejudiced hypocrite. If this truly describes you, of what value is your opinion, sir? So, did you check those articles for a mention of a gun in his possession? Out of the kindness of my heart I spoonfed you a nice handy link. Do you want me to check the articles too? I said there was no mention of any gun in his possession in the articles I read, but perhaps I am lying? I dont care what you think of me personally. I suggest using the bozo function. That's what it's there for. I will not tailor my posts to your liking. .
Bias... one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of a question.
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Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
#13. To: PSUSA (#12)
i agree with you. Sometimes a good cuss word is appropriate for emphasis. also, i think people's exposure to information over a long period of time gives them a certain confidence in an undenial reality. for example there are guys here who strive to work with and befriend cops into the 911 truth/ liberty movement. (ha.) i suppose they're well intentioned,...
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#14. To: Artisan (#13)
If they are seeking these cops out, then they're infiltrated. They are letting these cops watch and babysit, just waiting for them to do something, or they will try to instigate them into doing something "illegal". I dont use it unless provoked. I was provoked. But it is still wrong. I really should watch my language. Easier said than done, nowadays. .
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Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
#15. To: PSUSA (#14)
I do not agree with Wakeup. This incident had many witnesses and videos. The officer is PROVEN GUILTY by his peers. Why? Because our justice system is broken. The case will go to court. Would anyone like to guess the verdict? The officer is likely to walk. He might even be promoted. Because our justice system is broken. We all know it. But, when you see it and feel it in your own life, the curtain in front of your eyes disappears and you wake up in a POLICE STATE. It will only get worse. So the calm heads say "Wait, he is not guilty until all the evidence comes before a court of law." Well that was the old America of our fantasies, and NOW we all live in the new Amerika of george bush.
#16. To: octavia, Jethro Tull, christine, rowdee (#15)
No. At the very least the BART cop's career in law enforcement is over. I believe that the investigation will show that it was a negligent discharge. Perhaps he was one of the officers who was handed a TASER at shift change, and perhaps under the stress of being the arresting officer with his co-workers looking on (possibly while the dead man, an ex con who may have known the tricks to non violent resistance which are taught in CA prisons) the officer grabbed for the TASER and drew his firearm instead. (They've had a problem in the past which is why they wear the TASER on the weak side facing backwards. Under stress officers invariably default to their training, and in this scenario that may be little or nothing for the TASER in crowd or suspect control. That angry crowd was quite likely very intimidating because as we saw BART cannot push a button and have cops roll up from all over the city. That handful was basically on their own as the onlookers grew ever bolder and more intimidating, and the young officer may have lost his edge. Keep in mind that with only two years on the job he may not have had much experience in highly charged and potentially explosive situations, and if he was struggling to get the suspect cuffed and possibly being ragged by fellow officers while keeping an eye on that crowd, well, it seems to me that "negligent" (not to be confused with "accidental") discharge will be the likely finding of the investigators. I'll never believe that the cop intentionally drew and shot the suspect in front of a crowd and a rolling video camera. (The cops clearly spotted the cam) If in fact he intentionally pulled the trigger then he believed he was firing a TASER. (The 19 yr old woman with the camera said that she didn't believe the suspect was handcuffed and they were continuing to struggling with him) More likely, the cop drew the wrong weapon and simply forgot the first rule of firearms safety, then discharged the weapon because he was very nervous. He may be charged with involuntary manslaughter. If he happens to be a "nice boy" who looks like every mother's son he may just beat the rap in CA or serve no jail time, but his 832 POST certificate is history.
Because our justice system is broken. The case will go to court. Would anyone like to guess the verdict? The officer is likely to walk. He might even be promoted. Because our justice system is broken.
"MY GRANDFATHER'S WORK WAS DEW DEW!___Victor Frankenstein
#17. To: HOUNDDAWG (#16)
That was one of the funniest things I have read in a long time. Thanks for the laugh. .
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Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
#18. To: octavia (#15)
I dont see him walking, IMO. Too many witnesses. It seems that sometimes they are forced to do the right thing, because the crime was so blatant and public. It's too hard to just cover it up. And I bet they dont want a repeat of the King riots. If this happened in an alley, in the dark, we would not have even heard about it. .
Because our justice system is broken. The case will go to court. Would anyone like to guess the verdict? The officer is likely to walk. He might even be promoted. Because our justice system is broken.
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Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
#19. To: PSUSA (#17)
That's because your personal anti cop agenda has left you unable to tell the difference between BART Cops and Papa Doc's TonTon Macoutes. Simply projecting your hatred onto others does not make it true, and I know the diff between believing something is true and knowing that its true. I lived in CA for six years and I know very well that many young officers don't make the cut, and that fact doesn't always manifest until crucial moments such as these. It's human nature which you seem unwilling to consider. You choose to believe that all cops share the identical moral flaws and are murderers waiting their chance. That is just beyond childish and stupid.
That was one of the funniest things I have read in a long time. Thanks for the laugh.
"MY GRANDFATHER'S WORK WAS DEW DEW!___Victor Frankenstein
#20. To: HOUNDDAWG (#16)
Any cop who can't tell the difference between holding a taser and his sidearm in a moment of stress is NOT QUALIFIED to wear the badge. No, I will not give this BART cop the benefit of the doubt, he knew damn well what he was doing.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#21. To: HOUNDDAWG (#19)
This also shows up in some who condemn 'kids' that join the military. At some point I expect former LEO to be 'recalled' as are retired military. All your base are belong to us.
You choose to believe that all cops share the identical moral flaws and are murderers waiting their chance.
"Where once a tyrant had to wish that his subjects had but one common neck that he might strangle them all at once, all he has to do now is to 'educate the people' so that they will have but one common mind to delude." -- Richard Mitchell (1929-2002) Professor at Glassboro State College, NJ, author, founder and publisher of The Underground Grammarian Source: The Underground Grammarian
#22. To: X-15 (#20)
The question is, what are the qualifications these days? (Not intended to be argumentative) Is an IQ test given or relevant? Are following orders and protocal more important than individual situation assessment? If you fail to taze are there penalities? What is considered serving the public safety v serving the public treasury?
Any cop who can't tell the difference between holding a taser and his sidearm in a moment of stress is NOT QUALIFIED to wear the badge. No, I will not give this BART cop the benefit of the doubt, he knew damn well what he was doing.
"Where once a tyrant had to wish that his subjects had but one common neck that he might strangle them all at once, all he has to do now is to 'educate the people' so that they will have but one common mind to delude." -- Richard Mitchell (1929-2002) Professor at Glassboro State College, NJ, author, founder and publisher of The Underground Grammarian Source: The Underground Grammarian
#23. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#19)
OK then, I am stupid. I get the feeling you are a cop. Maybe I am right or maybe I am wrong. I dont care what cops think of me. I had a website that I updated maybe once a week. I had 5 long pages, 1 or 2 with single line links, and 3 or 4 with short summaries of similar police bullshit. How hard do you think I had to look to find these stories? Keeping in mind that all stories were current when I updated them? Keeping in mind how many stories like that that I missed? And I am the stupid one, huh? LOL! You are damn right that I am anti-cop. Now, about that murder... Please do keep trying to justify the unjustifiable. It is amusing to watch you try. Tell me again how he might of thought he was going for his tazer. That was hilarious. .
That is just beyond childish and stupid.
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Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
#24. To: OliviaFNewton (#22) (Edited)
These days departments are looking for combat-junkies fresh out of the sandbox. That's it. Edit: oh, they must be willing to kill every family dog they encounter.
The question is, what are the qualifications these days?
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#25. To: X-15 (#24)
Ah. All jacked-up. Yes sir, no sir.
These days departments are looking for combat-junkies fresh out of the sandbox. That's it.
"Where once a tyrant had to wish that his subjects had but one common neck that he might strangle them all at once, all he has to do now is to 'educate the people' so that they will have but one common mind to delude." -- Richard Mitchell (1929-2002) Professor at Glassboro State College, NJ, author, founder and publisher of The Underground Grammarian Source: The Underground Grammarian
#26. To: X-15 (#20) (Edited)
"Any cop who can't tell the difference between holding a taser and his sidearm in a moment of stress is NOT QUALIFIED to wear the badge." No argument there, and as I said his career is finished. "I will not give this BART cop the benefit of the doubt, he knew damn well what he was doing." The problem with that thinking is the facts don't support it. For instance years ago there was a shootout and several CHP officers were killed, and the dead officers were found with empty brass in their pants pockets. At the CHP academy they were trained not to throw empty cases on the ground during shooting sessions and under stress they reverted to that training and it may well have cost them their lives. (They should have dumped the empties and performed tactical reloads instead of stuffing empties in the pants) It also forced the training agencies to review and rethink their training and it was shocking to learn that under stress some people's minds "run home to Mama." And, BART cops don't get nearly as much training or excitement as municipal, county or state officers who pull drug raids and felony traffic stops. Even though all CA Peace Officers must hold a 832 POST Certificate, that alone doesn't qualify them for high stress police work, and they have to be tested on the street to prove themselves. I don't know why anyone would find it hard to believe that some nervous young fellow could make it two years before his weakness was a revealed. Obviously it wouldn't take that long if he was with the FBI's HRT but he was a transit cop, and there's a big difference in the amount of stress and the types of arrest scenarios they face. I knew two reserve police officers in CA and they were both the squirreliest guys you'd ever wanna meet. One was a surgical assistant (and a fag) and the other was a spoiled, rich Armenian kid who wanted to play cop and impress his "friends". Both had trouble on the street and neither were really what we'd think of as assets to law enforcement. But, they finished the course and were hired and given the chance to screw up. Le's face it, the best and the brightest have better things to do than to work as volunteer police officers, so the agencies have to take what they can get. And needless to say some of those guys are eventually hired as full time cops. In CA law enforcement is worshiped by many young men and women, and they regard it as the highest achievement to which they can aspire. (The cop shows are all made there in Hollywood don't forget.) Another guy I knew who was in the academy to be a cop actually made it on THE PEOPLE'S COURT after he sold a gun to yet another guy I knew. He believed that since the guy was late on one payment the money and the gun was his to keep, but, Judge Wapner told him different. If I could show you that tape and tell you what I know about those two, you'd have a full appreciation of the types of guys who are attracted to the gun, the badge and the power in CA and elsewhere. They are a lot of things but cold blooded murderers? I don't think so. People who default to that opinion are likely wrestling with demons of their own and projecting that onto ordinary garden variety police wanna bees.
"MY GRANDFATHER'S WORK WAS DEW DEW!___Victor Frankenstein
#27. To: HOUNDDAWG (#16)
There you go again............being logical and making sense. :) Thanks for another view.
#28. To: rowdee (#27) (Edited)
Thanks dee. Sometimes the cop haters foam at the mouth when I fail to chime in on their rants and I offer a different take on things. Some cops are truly rotten scum and that is not in dispute. But, even a cursory read of the various reports or watching the interview with the young woman who videotaped the incident will clearly indicate that this BART Officer didn't intend to shoot the unfortunate man he was attempting to arrest.
"MY GRANDFATHER'S WORK WAS DEW DEW!___Victor Frankenstein
#29. To: HOUNDDAWG (#28)
To me it is in the same class as 'kill all the judges'. Furthermore, anyone can list a thousand bad cops...........and never mention a good one. With 300,000,000 million plus people in this nation, the availability of all sorts of weaponry, the penchance of many groups to turn into rioting mobs, etc., do not lend themselves well to the cop on the beat of the 'good old days'. It was a cop that turned me around, believe it or not. I had run away with a girlfriend who thought she was in trouble with her parents--I didn't want her to be alone. But after a few days of thinking it over, we called home. Well, the first place we went was to the police station. Fortunately the cop they called "RED" (his hair) gave me the rundown on what happens to young women (didn't call us girls) when they fall into the hands of the wrong elements of society--the picture he painted scared the begiggers out of me. He didn't go off on a tangent about breaking laws, going to juvie, and the like--he was just calm, cool, and collected, much like an uncle would be. That made a huge impression on this 14 year old (at that time) 'woman', let me tell you.
#30. To: rowdee (#29)
Right. I've known a lot of "nice boys" choir boy types who went into police work. One guy I knew was a training officer at the LAPD Academy, and his former sgt from Central Div. explained to me that he had him transferred to "save his life". This officer had no command presence and was just too timid and trusting for the mean streets of Los Angeles. He's a detective now, but it's interesting to note that those years when he would have been on patrol in uniform he was insulated and tucked safely away in the training div. Another LAPD sgt I knew was a Sunday School teacher and a dedicated Christian, but the streets turned him. He once told me a story about when he was a rookie and he said , "Hell, I was still saying 'Sir' to the niggers back then!" He meant that instead of considering it respectful, urban street types considered that 'Sir' the mark of a chump and verbally abused him because of it. None of the pros I know want hot dogs or sadists on the job for two reasons; they do care what others think about them and the profession, and they are well aware that they aren't immortal and they can be stalked and murdered if they abuse someone who ain't wrapped all that tight. The thing that bothers me is, cops do evaluate people and base their treatment of the public on that. If they encounter a young guy with long hair they'll mistreat him, but if they stopped F. Lee Bailey or the now deceased Johnny Cochran they were damned careful about their treatment of those who had the power to sue their asses. I despised cops when I was a teen because they were shitty to me. But, so were all of the other rednecks and "right thinking people" who disapproved of my rock & roll lifestyle and style of dress. As an adult I no longer pigeonhole all in the same stereotypes because it just isn't an accurate representation of the real world. Some are good and some are bad, (which is why we now have an org of active and former LEOs who support decrim for reefa) and at least one good cop was willing to take the risk and expose the CIA's drug running, and his department's complicity in it.
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