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Title: Video: Watch this pig murderer and tell me you still trust cops
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URL Source: http://www.ktvu.com/video/18409133/index.html
Published: Jan 5, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-01-05 14:24:47 by PSUSA
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This was an execution.

PSUSA  posted on  2009-01-05   14:25:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Maybe he had a gun. There was not enough info. to make a call of murder. The witnesses know what happened. Let's hear the whole story.

Bias is a powerful detractor.

The officer is innocent until proven guilty.

wakeup  posted on  2009-01-05   18:29:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Maybe he had a gun. There was not enough info. to make a call of murder. The witnesses know what happened. Let's hear the whole story.

You a cop? If so, fuck off and die. If not, then wake up.

Hmmm. Maybe he had a gun, you say. Was there a gun found? No, there wasn't. Hmmm. No gun found? Go figure. If a gun was found, then there would be no need for an investigation, right???? In fact, the articles I read state explicitely that no gun was found.

Perhaps you can find mention of a gun in one of these articles. www.google.com/search?q=b...official&client=firefox-a Perhaps you could search real hard to find it.

You think I am biased? Fuck yes I am biased.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-01-05   18:36:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Bias... one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of a question.

You are prejudging. That is unfair and un-American. If we want others to treat us fairly and not prejudge us, we should be willing to do the same.

Hypocrisy is equally distasteful.

And no, I am not a police officer. Do you put all police officers in the same camp? You want all police officers to "die?" You do not seem to be thinking clearly.

You appear to be an illogical, foul-mouthed, prejudiced hypocrite. If this truly describes you, of what value is your opinion, sir?

wakeup  posted on  2009-01-05   19:02:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Bias... one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of a question.

You are prejudging. That is unfair and un-American. If we want others to treat us fairly and not prejudge us, we should be willing to do the same.

Hypocrisy is equally distasteful.

And no, I am not a police officer. Do you put all police officers in the same camp? You want all police officers to "die?" You do not seem to be thinking clearly.

You appear to be an illogical, foul-mouthed, prejudiced hypocrite. If this truly describes you, of what value is your opinion, sir?

So, did you check those articles for a mention of a gun in his possession? Out of the kindness of my heart I spoonfed you a nice handy link. Do you want me to check the articles too? I said there was no mention of any gun in his possession in the articles I read, but perhaps I am lying?

I dont care what you think of me personally. I suggest using the bozo function. That's what it's there for. I will not tailor my posts to your liking.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-01-05   19:49:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

i agree with you. Sometimes a good cuss word is appropriate for emphasis. also, i think people's exposure to information over a long period of time gives them a certain confidence in an undenial reality. for example there are guys here who strive to work with and befriend cops into the 911 truth/ liberty movement. (ha.)

i suppose they're well intentioned,...

Artisan  posted on  2009-01-05   20:05:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If they are seeking these cops out, then they're infiltrated. They are letting these cops watch and babysit, just waiting for them to do something, or they will try to instigate them into doing something "illegal".

I dont use it unless provoked. I was provoked. But it is still wrong. I really should watch my language. Easier said than done, nowadays.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-01-06   8:27:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I do not agree with Wakeup. This incident had many witnesses and videos. The officer is PROVEN GUILTY by his peers.

Why?

Because our justice system is broken. The case will go to court. Would anyone like to guess the verdict? The officer is likely to walk. He might even be promoted. Because our justice system is broken.

We all know it. But, when you see it and feel it in your own life, the curtain in front of your eyes disappears and you wake up in a POLICE STATE. It will only get worse. So the calm heads say "Wait, he is not guilty until all the evidence comes before a court of law." Well that was the old America of our fantasies, and NOW we all live in the new Amerika of george bush.

octavia  posted on  2009-01-06   9:46:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Because our justice system is broken. The case will go to court. Would anyone like to guess the verdict? The officer is likely to walk. He might even be promoted. Because our justice system is broken.

No.

At the very least the BART cop's career in law enforcement is over.

I believe that the investigation will show that it was a negligent discharge.

Perhaps he was one of the officers who was handed a TASER at shift change, and perhaps under the stress of being the arresting officer with his co-workers looking on (possibly while the dead man, an ex con who may have known the tricks to non violent resistance which are taught in CA prisons) the officer grabbed for the TASER and drew his firearm instead. (They've had a problem in the past which is why they wear the TASER on the weak side facing backwards. Under stress officers invariably default to their training, and in this scenario that may be little or nothing for the TASER in crowd or suspect control.

That angry crowd was quite likely very intimidating because as we saw BART cannot push a button and have cops roll up from all over the city. That handful was basically on their own as the onlookers grew ever bolder and more intimidating, and the young officer may have lost his edge. Keep in mind that with only two years on the job he may not have had much experience in highly charged and potentially explosive situations, and if he was struggling to get the suspect cuffed and possibly being ragged by fellow officers while keeping an eye on that crowd, well, it seems to me that "negligent" (not to be confused with "accidental") discharge will be the likely finding of the investigators.

I'll never believe that the cop intentionally drew and shot the suspect in front of a crowd and a rolling video camera. (The cops clearly spotted the cam) If in fact he intentionally pulled the trigger then he believed he was firing a TASER. (The 19 yr old woman with the camera said that she didn't believe the suspect was handcuffed and they were continuing to struggling with him)

More likely, the cop drew the wrong weapon and simply forgot the first rule of firearms safety, then discharged the weapon because he was very nervous.

He may be charged with involuntary manslaughter. If he happens to be a "nice boy" who looks like every mother's son he may just beat the rap in CA or serve no jail time, but his 832 POST certificate is history.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-01-06   10:23:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There you go again............being logical and making sense. :) Thanks for another view.

rowdee  posted on  2009-01-08   0:16:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks dee.

Sometimes the cop haters foam at the mouth when I fail to chime in on their rants and I offer a different take on things.

Some cops are truly rotten scum and that is not in dispute.

But, even a cursory read of the various reports or watching the interview with the young woman who videotaped the incident will clearly indicate that this BART Officer didn't intend to shoot the unfortunate man he was attempting to arrest.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-01-08   0:29:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

To me it is in the same class as 'kill all the judges'.

Furthermore, anyone can list a thousand bad cops...........and never mention a good one. With 300,000,000 million plus people in this nation, the availability of all sorts of weaponry, the penchance of many groups to turn into rioting mobs, etc., do not lend themselves well to the cop on the beat of the 'good old days'.

It was a cop that turned me around, believe it or not. I had run away with a girlfriend who thought she was in trouble with her parents--I didn't want her to be alone. But after a few days of thinking it over, we called home. Well, the first place we went was to the police station. Fortunately the cop they called "RED" (his hair) gave me the rundown on what happens to young women (didn't call us girls) when they fall into the hands of the wrong elements of society--the picture he painted scared the begiggers out of me.

He didn't go off on a tangent about breaking laws, going to juvie, and the like--he was just calm, cool, and collected, much like an uncle would be.

That made a huge impression on this 14 year old (at that time) 'woman', let me tell you.

rowdee  posted on  2009-01-08   12:50:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Right.

I've known a lot of "nice boys" choir boy types who went into police work.

One guy I knew was a training officer at the LAPD Academy, and his former sgt from Central Div. explained to me that he had him transferred to "save his life".

This officer had no command presence and was just too timid and trusting for the mean streets of Los Angeles.

He's a detective now, but it's interesting to note that those years when he would have been on patrol in uniform he was insulated and tucked safely away in the training div.

Another LAPD sgt I knew was a Sunday School teacher and a dedicated Christian, but the streets turned him. He once told me a story about when he was a rookie and he said , "Hell, I was still saying 'Sir' to the niggers back then!"

He meant that instead of considering it respectful, urban street types considered that 'Sir' the mark of a chump and verbally abused him because of it.

None of the pros I know want hot dogs or sadists on the job for two reasons; they do care what others think about them and the profession, and they are well aware that they aren't immortal and they can be stalked and murdered if they abuse someone who ain't wrapped all that tight.

The thing that bothers me is, cops do evaluate people and base their treatment of the public on that. If they encounter a young guy with long hair they'll mistreat him, but if they stopped F. Lee Bailey or the now deceased Johnny Cochran they were damned careful about their treatment of those who had the power to sue their asses.

I despised cops when I was a teen because they were shitty to me. But, so were all of the other rednecks and "right thinking people" who disapproved of my rock & roll lifestyle and style of dress.

As an adult I no longer pigeonhole all in the same stereotypes because it just isn't an accurate representation of the real world. Some are good and some are bad, (which is why we now have an org of active and former LEOs who support decrim for reefa) and at least one good cop was willing to take the risk and expose the CIA's drug running, and his department's complicity in it.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-01-08   14:33:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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