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Title: If you think that I'm going to bump your Nazi thread, you're nuts.
Source: randge
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Published: Jan 7, 2009
Author: randge
Post Date: 2009-01-07 09:49:29 by randge
Keywords: Nazi, propaganda, film
Views: 736
Comments: 28

If you think that I'm going to bump your Nazi thread, you're out of your mind.
I have my oen personal reasons for my distaste for the National Socialists and their works.
The Nazis were enemies of the free and open exchange of opinion and betrayed their own people. The brought hell down upon them. They stripped citizens and non-citizens of their rights and destroyed them.
I resent the repeated posting of National Socialist propaganda imagery on this forum. I hold this place and most of its posters in high regard. Posts of this kind are part of an attempt to tarnish this forum. I won't conspire with you in this effort.
You know who I'm referring to.
Now bugger off.
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#1. To: randge (#0)
I resent the repeated posting of National Socialist propaganda imagery on this forum. I hold this place and most of its posters in high regard. Posts of this kind are part of an attempt to tarnish this forum.

I agree with you.

scrapper2 posted on 2009-01-07 11:13:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: scrapper2, randge, christine (#1)
I resent the repeated posting of National Socialist propaganda imagery on this forum. I hold this place and most of its posters in high regard. Posts of this kind are part of an attempt to tarnish this forum.
I agree with you.

Ditto. Such postings are, in my experience, often "False Flag" Posters with exactly that intent - to discredit the forum via guilt by association.
This was done routinely on Liberty Forum by, likely pro-Israel, various posters and seemed to have the intent of degrading the forum and its reputation. Just as operations like "Stormfront" exist solely to create a "bogeyman" persona - and frequently, as has been documented by exposure, the "Nazis" behind such turn out to be Jewish Zionists working to buttress the "anti-semite" canard. The intent is to create an image that all criticism of Israel and its War Crimes are the acts and opinions of people who "hate Jews" when what they are cricitising is Israeli War Crimes and the actions of the Zionist STATE.
It is a PR game to "bolster Israel's image" and neutralize just criticism of the heinous and foul acts of the Zionist STATE in its criminality, genocide, and land theft.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-01-07 11:24:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Original_Intent (#2)
Thank you, OI. I couldn't have said it better.
To any of you lurkers, occasional spectators or folks that have bumbled onto this forum quite by accident: You will find some harsh criticism of Israel on this forum as well as segments of the Jewish community. You will find hard words for the leadership of this country as well as its allies and adversaries. Just about everybody gets an ass-whipping here from time to time including me.
The majority of the posters here harbor no ingrained hatred toward any ethnic group or people at large. There is a fierce and inalterable opposition toward any and all who aim to snatch our liberties from us and toward those that cause mayhem and grief in this world in order to fill their pockets.
We come here to post and discuss the FACTS. To separate the wheat from the chaff and the dross from the molt.
If you stick with the FACTS, the TRUTH will emerge of itself.
If you have an unholy ax to grind, go somewheres else.

randge posted on 2009-01-07 11:54:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: randge (#3)
Thank you for the kind words.
Yes, wheels, within wheels, within wheels. The information war, and the attempt to get the true state of affairs out is being attacked by a disinformation war to prevent people from looking and asking questions not to the liking of established interests.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-01-07 12:01:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Original_Intent (#4)
I dont know what started this, and I dont care.
But the nazis would not have gotten as far as they had without the zionists backing them up. Zionists sold out the jews. Even if there was no holocaust as we have all been taught, they didnt treat the jews nicely and that played right into the zionists hands.
Zionists like foxman are just as guilty as himmler, heidrich and the other nazis were.

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PSUSA posted on 2009-01-07 12:08:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: randge (#0) (Edited)
If you think that I'm going to bump your Nazi thread, you're nuts.

What Nazi thread?
Are there Nazis posting here?
I have never seen them.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2009-01-07 12:34:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: randge (#3)
To any of you lurkers, occasional spectators or folks that have bumbled onto this forum quite by accident: You will find some harsh criticism of Israel on this forum as well as segments of the Jewish community. You will find hard words for the leadership of this country as well as its allies and adversaries. Just about everybody gets an ass-whipping here from time to time including me.
The majority of the posters here harbor no ingrained hatred toward any ethnic group or people at large. There is a fierce and inalterable opposition toward any and all who aim to snatch our liberties from us and toward those that cause mayhem and grief in this world in order to fill their pockets.
We come here to post and discuss the FACTS. To separate the wheat from the chaff and the dross from the molt.

well said.

christine posted on 2009-01-07 12:35:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: randge (#0)
I resent the repeated posting of National Socialist propaganda imagery on this forum.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2009-01-07 12:35:35 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: X-15 (#8)
Onkel Adolf give you a hard on then??

randge posted on 2009-01-07 12:44:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: randge (#9)
Just being a smartass ;-)
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2009-01-07 12:47:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: X-15 (#10)
You're a card X-15.
My old man had to fight the whole goddamn war cause of this guy. Then he had to spend three years in a British camp as a POW. Brits let them go in '48. His regiment had 90 percent casualties.
Never heard a kind word about this man in my house.

randge posted on 2009-01-07 12:56:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: randge (#11)
Ah.....I'd look more toward the Treaty of Versailles and FDRs disdain of America's non-interventionist foreign policy as the cause of your father's service and incarceration.

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-01-07 13:02:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: randge (#11)
Brits let them go in '48.

Care to fill us in on the details of that lasting until 1948?

Cynicom posted on 2009-01-07 13:06:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Jethro Tull, randge, X-15, historian1944, Cynicom (#12)
Ah.....I'd look more toward the Treaty of Versailles and FDRs disdain of America's non-interventionist foreign policy as the cause of your father's service and incarceration.

randge and Jethro:
I don't want to side track this discussion, but on the subject of WWII, X-15, historian1944, and Cyni had a very informative history thread going on yesterday. You two might want to check it out if you haven't already.
freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...?ArtNum=93348&Disp=11#C11

scrapper2 posted on 2009-01-07 13:09:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Original_Intent, randge (#2)
This was done routinely on Liberty Forum by, likely pro-Israel, various posters and seemed to have the intent of degrading the forum and its reputation. Just as operations like "Stormfront" exist solely to create a "bogeyman" persona - and frequently, as has been documented by exposure, the "Nazis" behind such turn out to be Jewish Zionists working to buttress the "anti-semite" canard. The intent is to create an image that all criticism of Israel and its War Crimes are the acts and opinions of people who "hate Jews" when what they are cricitising is Israeli War Crimes and the actions of the Zionist STATE.

Foxman's troopers also show up at rallies critical of Israel, dressed in SS Uniforms and holding signs like "I Love Zyklon-B." It wouldn't surprise me if nine out of ten neo-Nazis were on the Foxman payroll.
What better way to discredit libertarian or left wing critics of Israel and US foreign policy?

Rupert_Pupkin posted on 2009-01-07 13:13:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Original_Intent (#2)
Bravo.
"Where once a tyrant had to wish that his subjects had but one common neck that he might strangle them all at once, all he has to do now is to 'educate the people' so that they will have but one common mind to delude." -- Richard Mitchell (1929-2002) Professor at Glassboro State College, NJ, author, founder and publisher of The Underground Grammarian Source: The Underground Grammarian
OliviaFNewton posted on 2009-01-07 13:17:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: randge (#3)
The majority of the posters here harbor no ingrained hatred toward any ethnic group or people at large. There is a fierce and inalterable opposition toward any and all who aim to snatch our liberties from us and toward those that cause mayhem and grief in this world in order to fill their pockets.
We come here to post and discuss the FACTS. To separate the wheat from the chaff and the dross from the molt.
If you stick with the FACTS, the TRUTH will emerge of itself.
If you have an unholy ax to grind, go somewheres else.

Amen and that's a fact Jack.
"Where once a tyrant had to wish that his subjects had but one common neck that he might strangle them all at once, all he has to do now is to 'educate the people' so that they will have but one common mind to delude." -- Richard Mitchell (1929-2002) Professor at Glassboro State College, NJ, author, founder and publisher of The Underground Grammarian Source: The Underground Grammarian
OliviaFNewton posted on 2009-01-07 13:18:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: randge, all (#0)
What thread?
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all

wudidiz posted on 2009-01-07 13:19:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: christine (#7)
the posters here harbor no ingrained hatred toward any ethnic group or people at large.

However, should any such grouping of people whether ethnic, racial, cultural, political etc demonstrate and pursue active disregard for our people and our country and our constitution, don't think you can hide behind your religion, your color, your customs or your political party.

angle posted on 2009-01-07 13:41:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: Cynicom (#13)
My dad was regular army, recon. He was retreating with his unit in Italy. He was supposed to be blowing up Italian factories, but he found it more rewarding to accept meals from Italian managers and taking the dynamite elsewheres to blow up for show. Eventually his forces were dispersed by advancing allied troops and he found himself cut off alone in a farm building.
He was surrounded by Ghurkas, and threw his rifle out of the window and surrendered. He told me that the Ghurka soldiers started dancing with their blades and he thought his time was up. At that moment, British lieutenant pulled up in a Jeep and took him prisoner.
I believe that because Britain was dismantling German industrial assets at the time and also because of a history of veteran political activity after 1918, the Brits and other allies thought it prudent to keep POW's out of circulation for a number of years after the war. Some of those captured on the Eastern Front didn't make it back until the fifties. Others didn't make it back at all.
My dad was shipped to Egypt, where he ran a machine shop for a British colonel. I have a letter of commendation from that officer somewhere. It helped my dad get a job in Canada in 1949.
I also had an uncle in the machine tool business who had already immigrated to New Yord in the 1920's. He wrote letters to the British government urging them to release regular army prisoners like my father. The allies had their own agenda, however. When they finally released him, my dad was shipped back through Hamburg. That letter of commendation, his military ID and a regulation British army shoe brush were just about all the possessions that he had. I still have them today.
I didn't intend to wax on this extensively in answer to your question, but there you are. However, just to fill things out, no my father didn't spend all those years after the war as a POW because he was a Nazi or a member of the SS. (The SS by the way was branded as a criminal organization, and members were barred from immigration.)
Our family was Social Democrat on both sides and voted that way. My dad was a machinist and an engineering student and a singer. He had a bright future ahead of him, but his hopes came to an end with the war. He made sergeant and managed to keep his nose out of the dirt in all the reprisal and slaughter in Yugoslavia.
My father came home to nothing. His dad had died. The family had been bombed out of several homes, and his sisters had spent all his pay because they were out of work. Tough shit.
My dad taught me to hate war and totalitarianism. He passed away in 2006.

randge posted on 2009-01-07 13:50:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: wudidiz (#18)
Old Friend dragged up that propaganda film this morning that was posted here the other day under the title, "The Eternal Jew (Der Ewige Jude) - English dub."
He bumped the first reply to me.

randge posted on 2009-01-07 13:57:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: randge (#20)
I didn't intend to wax on this extensively in answer to your question, but there you are.

Thank you very much..
Indeed wax in greater detail anytime on PM, I would be most appreciative.
Two things come to mind here.
Here in the hills we had several POW camps, the "prisoners" were given a pass once a week to go into town to the movies. All on their own and on their own word. They worked by day on the local farms, no guards, nothing. Americans were truly beastly. In fact many wanted to stay and some did, never went back.
Two...One of my mentors was the Godson of Dr. Schacht, Hitlers finance minister until he quit and was sent to Dachou. So I do have a passing knowledge prewar Germany.

Cynicom posted on 2009-01-07 13:58:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Cynicom (#22)
Interesting post.
My dad got out too at times. Against orders. There wasn't much needed in terms of infrastucture to keep German prisoners from escaping in the middle of the Egyptian desert. Just barbed wire.
Sometimes Bedouin camped nearby and my dad and others managed to creep out at night to sit by their fires. The Arabs made a great show of hospitality for them and laid out the sheesha for them to smoke. They had to crawl back by dawn.
My dad repaired equipment for the British army and he had a lot of brass tube stock. He found that he could cut them up and polish them as rings and jewelry to sell to the locals. One day an indigannt Bedou rode into their enclosure on his horse and threw a ring at my old man and hollered, "German gold no good.!"
My old man was good that way. He used to set up little gas stations along the way wherever he was, consolidating the leftover gas in jerry cans to sell to officers for their personal trips. He was a clever guy and a survivor.

randge posted on 2009-01-07 14:11:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: randge (#20)
Some of those captured on the Eastern Front didn't make it back until the fifties. Others didn't make it back at all.

I've heard that one of the most difficult tasks Allied soldiers needed to do after liberating Russian POW's from German camps was turning over the POW's to our Russian "allies." The Russians would take their POW's and shoot them on the spot. The Stalinists were despicable. Stalin was evil incarnate. I hope Stalin, Hitler, and FDR rot in Hell for their crimes against humanity. FDR sacrificed the Eastern Europeans without a second thought. FDR was a communist at heart. No wonder FDR referred to Stalin lovingly as "Uncle Joe." At least Churchill had a clue that he was making a pact with the Devil when he teemed up with Stalin.

scrapper2 posted on 2009-01-07 14:20:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: randge (#21)
Old Friend dragged up that propaganda film this morning that was posted here the other day under the title, "The Eternal Jew (Der Ewige Jude) - English dub."

Okay, thank you.

He bumped the first reply to me.

What a nasshole.
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all

wudidiz posted on 2009-01-07 14:24:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: randge (#23)
Sounds like your father did better than a lot of Germans in Eisenhower's death camps:
freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=91316
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2009-01-07 15:13:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: X-15 (#26)
Yeah, I had an uncle who was in one.
His stories reflect what this soldier recounted in the story in you link.
The lesson is that there is no bottom to human visciousness once we let ourselves accept the dehumanization of others.
You take on a mighty load of karma when your nation goes down the warpath.
It may seem contradictory, but if you want to maintain your pride and self- respect, you have to cultivate an attitude of humility in this world.
That goes for individuals as well as for nations.
I was watching a flick of all the European armies marching through their cities in feathered cockades and spiked helmets and striped pants, bands playing and the ladies throwing flowers. I wondered what had become of the flower of that generation. I looked at each face and wondered what the fate of each had been. Thousands of healthy vigourous young men thrown into trenches and filth and hails of bullet fire.
And I thought of my grandfather who had been in the Somme and at Verdun. He went back to visit the battlefield in France in theh 1960s. He joined an old Frenchman on a bench overlooking the battlefield at the Somme. They didn't say much. The Frenchman didn't speak German, and my granddad spoke little French. They just sat there for a long while together until my granddad offered,"La guerre, c'est un malheur." To which the old Frenchman gave his silent assent.

randge posted on 2009-01-07 15:43:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: randge, all (#27)
It may seem contradictory, but if you want to maintain your pride and self- respect, you have to cultivate an attitude of humility in this world.

Very wise.
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all

wudidiz posted on 2009-01-07 17:25:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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