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Title: One very brave Palestinian woman! (video)
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Published: Jan 7, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-01-07 18:28:20 by Disgusted
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#1. To: Disgusted (#0)

God's chosen pigs had their line of fire disrupted by an angel.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-01-07   18:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Disgusted, jethro tull (#0) (Edited)

In AmeriKa she would have been tazered or killed and hauled away. This kind of thing has ZERO tolerance in the USA> As a result, I would have to conclude that these two soldiers were excercising discretion, and maybe for an instant, she caused them to open their eyes. But it NEVER would have happened in our Police State. She would have been tackled and hogtied and hauled away like a sack of potatoes.

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IndieTX  posted on  2009-01-07   18:47:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: IndieTX (#2)

No question about it. She'd be dead if she interfered in the issuance of a summons, never mind trying to prevent a government murder.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-01-07   18:55:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull, IndieTX, Disgusted (#1)

My money is on her and the camera guy being IDF--otherwise they'd both be dead.

AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA & HOLLYWOOD: Oh, those Islamofascists.

wbales  posted on  2009-01-07   19:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: wbales (#4)

My money is on her and the camera guy being IDF--otherwise they'd both be dead.

~ same basic thought that hit me at first ... a set up, proof of how humane they are and all ya know ~

Amandil  posted on  2009-01-07   19:51:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Disgusted (#0)

She seems like an American Palestinian who's there to protest the war. She's obviously on the Israeli side of the warzone, otherwise they simply would have shot or arrested her.

It's apparent that she is one exceptionally brave soul, and perhaps the only reason she's still alive is due to the camera running with a person who may have been sending live video to the US while the event was taking place.

That hasn't always stopped the IDF though, in regards to Rachel Corrie.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-07   20:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Disgusted (#0)

She sounds American. Not that I don't applaud her, but describing her as a Palistinean woman leaves a lot of room for explanation. At least you called her a woman, rather than "girl" like in the IOF video.

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-01-07   20:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: IndieTX (#2)

In AmeriKa she would have been tazered or killed and hauled away.

And that is one sad truth. We have basically become as bad as Nazi Germany, with most people not even noticing. You know what they say about a frog in a pot of water...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-07   20:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

Interesting video. If this had been a Jewish woman going up and trying to reason with Muslims she would have been killed. The Jews seem more civilized. For this reason and many many others. I give the woman credit though. She is very brave.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-07   20:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: FormerLurker (#8)

We have basically become as bad as Nazi Germany,

I don't think we are there yet. But we could be sometime in the future.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-07   20:29:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Old Friend (#9)

If this had been a Jewish woman going up and trying to reason with Muslims she would have been killed.

Your dick is hanging out.

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2009-01-07   21:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Old Friend (#9)

Rachel Corrie - A Dove_s Last Stand gaza israel rafah

3-18-03

Israeli forces fired teargas and stun grenades yesterday in an attempt to break up a memorial service for Rachel Corrie, the American peace activist killed by an army bulldozer in Gaza on Sunday.

Witnesses including several dozen foreigners and Palestinian supporters say Israeli armoured vehicles tried to disperse the gathering at the spot in Rafah refugee camp where Ms Corrie was crushed to death.

The 23 year-old activist with the International Solidarity Movement (ISM) was trying to prevent the destruction of Palestinian homes by the Israelis when she was hit by the bulldozer.

Joe Smith, a young activist from Kansas City, said about 100 people were gathered to lay carnations and erect a small memorial when the first armoured personnel carrier appeared.

"They started firing teargas and blowing smoke, then they fired sound grenades. After a while it got hectic so we sat down. Then the tank came over and shot in the air," he said. "It scared a lot of Palestinians, especially the shooting made a lot of them run and the teargas freaked people out. But most of us stayed."

Another witness said the army failed to break up the service.

"People were laying carnations at the spot where Rachel was killed when a tank came and fired teargas right on them. Then a core group of the peace activists took an ISM cloth banner to the fence and pinned it up.

"The tank chased after them trying to stop them with teargas but the wind was against the army," she said.

Tensions rose further when a convoy of vehicles, including the bulldozer that killed Ms Corrie, passed the area.

"I don't think it was deliberate but it was pretty insensitive," said Mr Smith.

"I think they had been destroying some buildings elsewhere and had to pass by to get back to their base."

The army said it was investigating the incident.

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/mar/19/israel

According to seven international eyewitnesses, though she was clearly visible, Rachel Corrie was run over by an Israeli military bulldozer. The 2005 US State Department human rights report on Israel and the Occupied Territories states that “on March 16, an Israeli bulldozer clearing land in Rafah in the Gaza Strip crushed and killed Rachel Corrie.”

Photos of the event show the tracks of the bulldozer tires running on either side, and in front and behind the spot where Rachel lay dying in her friends’ arms.

http://www.rachelswords.org/2006...l-corrie-myths-and-facts/

B'TSELEM

Violence against Palestinians by Israeli security forces is not new; it has accompanied the occupation for many years. With the outbreak of the al-Aqsa intifada, however, a significant increase in the number of beatings and instances of abuse has occurred, in part because of increased friction between Palestinians and Israeli security forces. According to many testimonies given to B'Tselem and other human rights organizations, the security forces use violence, at times gross violence, against Palestinians unnecessarily and without justification.

http://www.btselem.org/English/Beating_and_Abuse/

2007 Annual Report: Human Rights in the Occupied Territories

Ground to a Halt: Denial of Palestinians' Freedom of Movement in the West Bank

Crossing the Line: Violation of the Rights of Palestinians in Israel without a Permit

Abuse of Palestinians at the Sarra Checkpoint, Nablus District 27 - 31 December 2003

Medical Personnel Harmed: The Delay, Abuse and Humiliation of Medical Personnel by Israeli Security Forces

Soldiers' Abuse of Palestinians in Hebron

http://www.btselem.org/english/publications/Index.asp?TF=14

http://www.btselem.org/english/O...r=14&image.x=15&image.y=7

A cardinal task of any government is to enforce the law and protect the life, property, and rights of persons under its authority. For Israel, this duty applies not only to Israeli citizens residing within the state or territories under Israeli control, but also to Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories.

When Palestinians attack Israelis, the authorities invoke all means at their disposal – including some that are incompatible with international law and constitute gross violations of human rights – to arrest the suspects and bring them to trial. Defendants convicted by military courts can expect harsh sentences.

In contrast, when Israeli civilians attack Palestinians, the Israeli authorities employ an undeclared policy of leniency and compromise toward the perpetrators. This policy is reflected in the actions of officials in charge of law enforcement – the Israel Defense Force (IDF) and the Israel Police Force (IPF) – which do not do enough to prevent harm to the life and property of Palestinians, and to stop the violent attacks by settlers while they are taking place. All law enforcement agencies and judicial authorities demonstrate little interest in uncovering the substantial violence that Israeli civilians commit against Palestinians in the Occupied Territories.

http://www.btselem.org/english/Settler_violence/Index.asp

From the beginning of the intifada on 29 September 2000, until 31 December 2007, 4,332 Palestinians were killed in the Occupied Territories. Among them were 865 minors (under the age of 18). At least 2,050 of those killed were not participating in the fighting at the time of death, and 225 were objects of targeted killing. Thousands more were wounded.

During 2007, Israeli security forces killed 377 Palestinians, 53 of them minors. 84 were from the West Bank and 293 from the Gaza Strip. In comparison, in 2006, the total number of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces was 657: 523 from the Gaza Strip and 134 from the West Bank, among them 140 minors. Of those killed in 2007, at least 132 (about 35 percent) were civilians who were not taking part in the hostilities at the time they were killed. B'Tselem has been unable to determine the cause of death of 50 persons (about 13 percent). In 2006, 348 Palestinians were killed when not taking a direct part in the hostilities at the time of death, representing 54 percent of Palestinians killed that year by Israeli security forces.

http://www.btselem.org/English/Firearms/

Israel and the Occupied Territories

http://www.hrw.org/middle-eastn-...-and-occupied-territories

U.S. Department of State

Israel and the occupied territories

Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - 2003

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27929.htm

Revelation 2:

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2009-01-08   0:04:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Old Friend (#9)

If this had been a Jewish woman going up and trying to reason with Muslims she would have been killed. The Jews seem more civilized.

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BBC documentary proves Israeli army murdered Rachel Corrie
 

by Christopher Bollyn

 

The BBC has released a remarkable film about the killing of three international peace activists by the Israeli army in the occupied Gaza Strip. Documentary evidence provided in the film strongly suggests that the American Rachel Corrie - and two British activists - were murdered.

Last spring, within a period of seven weeks, one British and one American peace activist were killed by the Israeli army in Rafah, a Palestinian town at the southern end of the occupied Gaza Strip. A second Briton was shot in the head leaving him brain-dead. In two of the cases the Israeli army is being blamed for murder; the third is considered "attempted murder."

An Israeli military bulldozer crushed the 23-year-old American peace activist Rachel Corrie, who was the first to die on March 16, as she tried to prevent it from demolishing a Palestinian doctor's home.

British photographer Tom Hurndall, 22, was left brain dead after being shot in the head by an Israeli soldier on April 11. British cameraman James Miller, 34, was shot by an Israeli sniper as he left a house with two other journalists on May 2.

A recently released 50-minute "hard-hitting" program produced by the British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC) investigated the three killings and provides crucial video evidence. "That's murder," an Israeli soldier said after viewing footage from the film, When Killing is Easy.

When Killing is Easy was shown 4 times to a worldwide audience on the commercial BBC World television network on November 22 and 23. Some cable television viewers in the United States would have been able to view the program.

The three international observers died, or nearly died, at the hands of the Israeli military between the middle of March and the first week of May. Hurndall was shot in the head as he took a Palestinian toddler, who had frozen under Israeli fire, into his arms. Today, Hurndall is brain-dead and is kept alive on life-support equipment.

Tom's father, Anthony, is a lawyer in the City of London. After six weeks of investigation, Hurndall has come to the conclusion that the shooting of his son by Israeli forces is "a case of attempted murder. If Tom dies, and that is a likelihood, then it will be murder," he said.

Jocelyn Hurndall wrote to The Guardian after an Israeli government check for about $12,000, sent to the Hurndall family to pay for "a fraction of the expenses incurred," bounced. When the check finally arrived after five months of negotiations with the Hurndall family, the Israeli government check was not "honored" by the Bank of Israel, Hurndall wrote. "Insufficient funds' was the reason given.

According to evidence provided in Sweeney's film, the IDF report on the shooting of Hurndall is completely wrong about where he was, what he was wearing, and what he was doing when an Israeli soldier shot him in the head.

"It is a mind-numbing task to understand the morality and to use the logic of the Israeli government," Hurndall wrote. "What hope do Palestinians have when such profound disregard and disrespect is shown to humanity, collectively and individually?"


SILENCED WITNESSES
The BBC film was produced by John Sweeney, whose article on the killings, "Silenced Witnesses," was published in The Independent (UK) on Oct. 30.

"Making our film, When Killing is Easy, has been the most harrowing ordeal of my professional life," Sweeney wrote. "But it is vital that it is evidential - and that is really tough when the Israeli government and the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) have refused to speak to us."
Rachel Corrie, the first of the three to die, was using her body to defend the home of Dr. Samir Nasser Allah from an American-made bulldozer used by the Israeli army to demolish the homes of Palestinians. Corrie was a member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM). ISM members stand between the Israeli bulldozers and the homes that the IDF wants to flatten.

Israeli bulldozers have razed thousands of Palestinian homes in the occupied Gaza Strip and the West Bank. The bulldozers are primarily made by the Illinois-based Caterpillar company.

Tom Dale, an ISM eyewitness, had a clear view of the incident: "He [the driver] knew absolutely she was there. The bulldozer waited for a few seconds over her body and it then reversed, leaving its scoop down so that if she had been under the bulldozer, it would have crushed her a second time. Only later when it was much more clear of her body did it raise its scoop."


"MY BACK IS BROKEN"
"My back is broken," Rachel told Alice Coy, a fellow ISM activist who was with her.

An Israeli pathologist, Dr. Yehudah Hiss, noted that Rachel appeared to have been run over by the bulldozer, Sweeney wrote. Hiss found the cause of death to be "pressure to the chest." Her shoulder blades had been crushed; her spine was broken in five places and six ribs broken. Her face was apparently slashed by the bulldozer blade.

The IDF produced a report that says, "Corrie was not run over by an engineering vehicle." It added, "for good measure" Sweeney says, that Corrie was "hidden from view of the vehicle's operator."

The footage seen in the BBC film proves these statements to be false. The family of Rachel Corrie believes the IDF report to "be a blatant fabrication," Sweeney wrote.

The British cameraman James Miller was shot dead by an Israeli sniper as he left a house in Rafah with two other journalists on the night of May 2. An Associated Press TV News (APTN) cameraman filmed the entire scene.

One of the three journalists held a white flag; Miller was shining a light on the flag and a third journalist held up her British passport. There was no shooting and the area was quiet as the audio track of the film clearly proves.

The three had walked about 60 feet toward an Israeli armed personnel carrier to request safe passage to leave the area when the first shot was fired. "We are British journalists," Saira Shah cried out into the darkness.

"Then comes the second shot, which killed James," Sweeney wrote. "He was shot in the front of his neck. The bullet was Israeli issue, fired, according to a forensic expert, from less than 200 meters [600 feet] away."

The IDF maintains that Miller was shot during crossfire, although no shooting is heard on the APTN tape apart from the two shots fired from the Israeli military vehicle.

When the APTN tape was shown to an Israeli soldier, who is shown in the film, he said the television team did not look like Islamic terrorists and concluded: "That's murder."


 

Finis


__________________

Christopher Bollyn is a regular contributor to American Free Press  .

_____

"Should international communism ever complete its plan of bringing civilization to naught, it is conceivable that SOME FORM OF WORLD GOVERNMENT in the hands of a few men could emerge, which would not be communism. It would be the domination of barbarous tyrants over the world of slaves, and communism would have been used as the means to an end."
(The Patriot (London) November 9, 1939; The Rulers of Russia, Father Denis Fahey, pp. 23-24)

_____

Links of related interest:

"Silenced witnesses," an article by John Sweeney
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=458515

BBC-TV
(The documentary When Killing is Easy is not presently listed on the BBC's website—has Israel pressured the network to drop it? We are looking into this matter and ask anyone with information to please contact us at our e-mail address: realnews247@fuse.net)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tv/

International Solidarity Movement:
http://www.palsolidarity.org/

Israeli Defense Force:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/

Concerning Rachel Corrie:
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/
http://www.rachelcorriefoundation.org/

Concerning Tom Hurndall:
http://www.tomhurndall.co.uk/

Concerning James Miller:
http://www.justice4jamesmiller.com/

Concerning Brian Avery (a fourth victim of  the Israeli army):
The Brian Avery shooting: When will we realize that there can't be this many "accidents"?

Other concerned groups:
http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-israel.html
Jews for Justice for Palestinians
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

Home

 


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-08   0:11:27 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: FormerLurker (#13)

What can be expected from a regime that is governed by Satan.


"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all

wudidiz  posted on  2009-01-08   0:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Old Friend (#9)

The Jews seem more civilized.

You are pathetically dilusional.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-01-08   1:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Old Friend (#9) (Edited)

If this had been a Jewish woman going up and trying to reason with Muslims she would have been killed. The Jews seem more civilized.

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/Jan_Feb_2005/0501009.html

"Muddying the waters further were the next actions of “Captain R,” the company commander, who approached Iman—wounded, according to Palestinian witnesses, but alive and lying on the ground helpless—and first fired two shots into her at close range to “confirm the kill.” Then, according to IDF witnesses, he walked a short distance away, turned back, approached the child again and emptied the magazine of his automatic weapon into her body.

Just imagine how he might have reacted had he not visited the Weaselthal Museum of Tolerance earlier that year.

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2009-01-08   2:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Rube Goldberg (#16)

Muddying the waters further were the next actions of “Captain R,” the company commander, who approached Iman—wounded, according to Palestinian witnesses, but alive and lying on the ground helpless—and first fired two shots into her at close range to “confirm the kill.” Then, according to IDF witnesses, he walked a short distance away, turned back, approached the child again and emptied the magazine of his automatic weapon into her body.

I will never forget that one.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids)

RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP

IndieTX  posted on  2009-01-08   2:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Rube Goldberg, IndieTX, Old Friend, TwentyTwelve, all (#16)

Iman was spotted by the Israeli military base’s watchtower. She was about 100 yards away from the military base when the followingconversation took place between a soldier in the watchtower, an army operations room and a certain Captain R, who remains unnamed to this day:

**************

From the watchtower: “It’s a little girl. She’s running defensively eastward.”

From the operations room: “Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?”

Watchtower: “A girl about 10, she’s behind the embankment, scared to death.”

A few minutes later, Iman is shot from one of the army posts

Watchtower: “I think that one of the positions took her out.”

Captain R: “I and another soldier … are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill … Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her … I also confirmed the kill. Over.”

Captain R—along with another soldier—walks towards Iman, and shoots two bullets at point-blank range into her head to “confirm the kill.” He starts to head back to his base, before turning around again and emptying all the bullets from his machine gun into the body of Iman.

Captain R then “clarifies” why he killed Iman: “This is commander. Anything that’s mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it’s a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over.”

**************


"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all

wudidiz  posted on  2009-01-08   3:00:01 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: wudidiz (#18)

Captain R then “clarifies” why he killed Iman: “This is commander. Anything that’s mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it’s a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over.”

Jesus

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids)

RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP

IndieTX  posted on  2009-01-08   3:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: IndieTX (#19)

Jesus

Jesus

From the same link:

After she was taken to the hospital, doctors counted 17 bullet wounds in Iman’s body, and three in her head, though they were unsure of the exact number since her little body was shattered to the point where one couldn’t accurately count how many bullets had riddled it.

Anywhere in the world, you would expect such a murderer to be tried and to receive a very harsh sentence. Unfortunately, the laws that apply in most of the world do not apply to Palestinian children and their murderers. An Israeli military court, on October 15, 2004, cleared the soldier of any wrongdoing or unethical behavior, declaring that “confirming the kill” is standard procedure.

A few of the soldiers serving with Captian R seem to have not been satisfied. They were apparently motivated by racist animosity towards him (he is Druze, they are Jewish), and took the matter to a Military Police court. He was charged not with the murder of Iman, but with “illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and perverting the course of justice.” He was cleared on all counts.

To add insult to fatal and gruesome injury, Captain R was then compensated with 80,000 Israeli Sheckels (around US$20,000) plus legal fees for the inconvenience of being taken to court over a triviality such as the life of a Palestinian child. The court also criticized the Military Police for investigating the case in the first place. Captain R was then promoted to the rank of Major, and continues to serve in the Israeli Army, where he may well have murdered other children in the past three years.

This is by no means an isolated incident or a freak failing of the “justice” system, but rather one example of many such stories that will shock anyone with an ounce of conscience or humanity in them. One could write whole books with the stories of children like Iman, killed in callous cold blood, whose murderers faced no repercussions whatsoever for their crimes. Since 2000, almost 1,000 Palestinian children have been murdered by the Israeli Army, and countless other thousands injured. Not a single Israeli soldier has faced any form of punishment, demotion, or even reprimand over any of these murders.


"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all

wudidiz  posted on  2009-01-08   3:09:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: wudidiz (#20) (Edited)

All Americans should remember this on April 15 when they pay their "voluntary" blood money to the Internal Robbery Service. Besides the fact that it's unconstitutional, what better reason than dead children is there to stop partaking in this "legalized" theft.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx

Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids)

RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP

IndieTX  posted on  2009-01-08   3:14:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: wudidiz (#18)

You have an audio link? You don't right.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-08   9:05:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: FormerLurker (#13)

The UN is Enemy of America. They are liars that want to usurp every government. Anytime their people fall it doesn't bother me.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-08   9:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TwentyTwelve (#15)

Your a muslim terrorist. It is plain for all to see. Worthless piece of shit. Could you maybe give us some live video from Gaza. If you still have power that is.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-08   9:11:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Old Friend (#22)

Until real Americans reign-in our government, and Zionist beasts like you, we should not be surprised when people from around the world come here to kill. Bible freaks, each with their own unique interpretation of what is essentially a fairy tale, are signing our own death warrant.

Disgusted  posted on  2009-01-08   9:17:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Disgusted (#25)

This nation was founded by Bible believers. If you don't like it move to China. They share your opinion.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-08   9:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Old Friend, christine (#24)

Your a muslim terrorist. It is plain for all to see. Worthless piece of shit. Could you maybe give us some live video from Gaza. If you still have power that is.

You're a zionist terrorist. It is plain for all to see. Worthless peice of shit.

See how that works. Now fuck the hell off and stop slandering good people here.

Lady X  posted on  2009-01-08   9:31:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Old Friend (#26)

This nation was founded by Bible believers

And we're currently led by a Bible believer who can't string a sentence together, but loves his illegal wars. Nice company you freaks keep.

Disgusted  posted on  2009-01-08   9:33:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Lady X (#27)

Read his post 15 before you criticize me. And no twenty twelve isn't a good person. He is a certified POS. He is a supporter of killing all the Jews.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-08   9:35:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Disgusted (#28)

Bible believer

A fake Bible believer as in not really one.

Judge the book not those who claim to follow it.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-08   9:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Old Friend (#29)

I thought I told you to fuck off already..

Seriously.

Lady X  posted on  2009-01-08   9:37:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Lady X (#31) (Edited)

I don't like white trash skanks no thanks.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-08   9:39:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Old Friend (#30)

OK, then. I won't judge the book.

But after centuries of hard won battles, many of us claim the right to note that those that follow these books most militantly act like swine.

Cheers.

randge  posted on  2009-01-08   9:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Old Friend (#30)

A fake Bible believer as in not really one.

All you Bible freaks judge other Bible freaks as fakes. It's a side-show worthy of Barnum and Bailey, were it not so deadly.

Disgusted  posted on  2009-01-08   9:48:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Disgusted (#34)

Here is the test. Do they believe the Bible. If they do then they are genuine.

Bush himself recently said he doesn't believe all parts of the Bible.

That is the standard.

Twenty twelve and Indie TX claim not to believe the Bible literally. Well Christ took it literally so to be a true follower you have to believe it and put it in practice. If you say you don't believe this part of that part then that makes you a non bible believer by defintition.

They don't believe in the perfect word of God. Which is their right but they shouldn't try to use the Bible as a justification for anything as it is not their belief system.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-08   9:51:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Disgusted (#34)

Here I have a theme song for you and your like minded friends.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-01-08   9:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Old Friend (#26)

This nation was founded by Bible believers

That's fairly true but it wasn't the Schofield Bible and they weren't "Christian" zionists.

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2009-01-08   12:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Old Friend (#26)

This nation was founded by Bible believers. If you don't like it move to China. They share your opinion

Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were deists. Thomas Paine was an agnostic. Most of the other founders (Washington, Maddison, Adams, Jay, Hamilton) were secular Episcopals or Unitarians. All of them were much more influenced by Enlightenment philosophy than by Old Testament myths, and not one of them believed in rapture cult or Zionist nonsense, which had to wait until Scofield's 1909 edition of Bible commentary to start warping people's minds.

The notion that this country was founded by 18th century versions of Jerry Falwell and John Hagee is one of the big lies peddled by Fundamentalists.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2009-01-08   13:11:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: IndieTX (#21)

All Americans should remember this on April 15 when they pay their "voluntary" blood money to the Internal Robbery Service. Besides the fact that it's unconstitutional, what better reason than dead children is there to stop partaking in this "legalized" theft.

Sure, I'll remember. I'm a good little sheeple.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-01-08   13:14:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Old Friend (#23)

The UN is Enemy of America. They are liars that want to usurp every government. Anytime their people fall it doesn't bother me.

Where did I mention anything about the UN on this thread?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-01-08   13:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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