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Title: IDF Orders 100 Into Home, Then Shell It Killing 70
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URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general84/shell.htm
Published: Jan 8, 2009
Author: By Mary Sparrowdancer
Post Date: 2009-01-08 21:37:10 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: Zionist Killers, Jewish Murderers, Israeli Satanists, Gaza Victims
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Israeli Butchers Order 100 Family Members Into House Then Shell It, Killing 70 By Mary Sparrowdancer Copyright © 2009 - All Rights Reserved 1-8-9 For those who still believe the Israeli lie that they are not targeting civilians, and that if they do target civilians, then those civilians (including infants) must be "terrorists," this is a recount of the butchery displayed by the US-funded Israeli military earlier this week. According to surviving members of the al-Samouni family, on Sunday of this past week, Israeli soldiers ordered approximately 100 members of the extended al-Samouni family to gather into one single house in the town of Zeitoun near Gaza City. Just after dawn the following morning, knowing that the house was filled with civilians including mothers with infants and children, the Israeli military repeatedly shelled the house, killing approximately 70 members of the family. As reported in the Telegraph.co.uk, "A handful of survivors, some wounded, others carrying dead or dying infants, made it on foot to Gaza's main north-south road before they were given lifts to hospital. Three small children were buried in Gaza City that afternoon." Apparently, medical personnel in convoys led by the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) made several attempts to rescue the wounded in the area, but were forced to turn back and retreat after the Israeli military began shooting at them. In another report, the ICRC accused the Israeli military of "unacceptable" conduct violating international humanitarian laws, after ICRC spent four days attempting to arrange safe access to other bombed-out houses filled with wounded. When finally "allowed" to enter the bombed neighborhoods, in one house they discovered four young children near the bodies of their dead mothers. Having had no food or water in days, the children were too weak to stand. It was necessary for the children and wounded to be taken to the hospital by donkey cart, because the Israelis had taken time to construct earthen walls that prevented rescue vehicles from reaching the wounded _____________ Mary Sparrowdancer is an independent journalist, internationally published book author, and a columnist for Rense.com
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#6. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
but they're not caged in....
The Israeli Monsters can shut down anything said by Palestinians as their Propaganda Machine has the Sheeple convinced that the Palestinians are attacking the pooooooooooooooooooooooor Israelis. However, witnesses from the ICRC are not something that their propaganda machine can handle so they have to prevent them from getting near enough to see the atrocities and to photograph them. If that occurred, that ICRC personnel got photographs, the Israelis would murder them and then try to make it look like it was done by someone else. I just don't have the words to add more condemnation to such horrific evil. The world knows. It's going to continue until God ends it.
"Where once a tyrant had to wish that his subjects had but one common neck that he might strangle them all at once, all he has to do now is to 'educate the people' so that they will have but one common mind to delude." -- Richard Mitchell (1929-2002) Professor at Glassboro State College, NJ, author, founder and publisher of The Underground Grammarian Source: The Underground Grammarian
I don't know what to say.
~ I attempted to begin some re-education today with a few folks from 3D world, they began using bible teachings to show me the error of my ways ~ I offered history lessons ~ they give me bible verse ~ even I could feel the disgust on my face listening to them ~ asked them if they liked paying for all the bullets killen civilians ~now they are worried for me and my confusion ~ this is all so much like a fricken ole movie it blows my mind
"because the Israelis had taken time to construct earthen walls that prevented rescue vehicles from reaching the wounded" I will never ever forget that image.
words fail me
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids) RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP That's funny.
Were you talking to Old Friend?
well, she is an ole friend who had just been educated by a local preacher while doing some research on the situaton over there, my replies to her attracted interest from others and next thing ya know I got a soap box and captive audience of 1/2 dozen it's really hard to explain some of this stuff 'cause it's so unbelievable to a person who lives in a box and feeds on MSM propaganda .... the divide and conquer thing works well ... leaving me lookin like the paranoid nut, maybe I should bring in doughnuts tomorrow and tell em I was just kidding around ... *s
~ I attempted to begin some re-education today with a few folks from 3D world, they began using bible teachings to show me the error of my ways ~ I offered history lessons ~ they give me bible verse ~ even I could feel the disgust on my face listening to them ~ asked them if they liked paying for all the bullets killen civilians ~now they are worried for me and my confusion ~ this is all so much like a fricken ole movie it blows my mind You are talking to people who have been thoroughly indoctrinated by a long term "Perception Management" (aka Mass Mind Control) Program. Through the use of various controlled Religious Leaders their flock, Sheeple, have been thoroughly indoctrinated into accepting that anything Israel does, no matter how foul, is "the Will of God". Never mind that what they have been taught contradicts the peaceful and humane foundations of Christianity. You are, when you talk to people such as those, speaking to people who have been thoroughly indoctrinated to the point where up is down and hate is love. There is no shortcut to dealing with them. To do it you have to tackle the foundation and find the false data they are operating on and then get them to cognite that it is false data. Then, and only then, can you replace it with true data. The foundation, in part, is that the Zionist State named Israel is the Israel of the Bible. As long as they believe that you cannot begin to get through to them. All you will do is bang your head off of a stone wall of programmed obstinate ignorance.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Doughnuts usually work quite well. Krispy Kreme is the best.
You are right. Their mind is made up and they will never change.
I should add you have to be patient and not attack them personally or disparage their beliefs directly as that will simply send them into a corner of self justification. Done properly they will conclude it was their own awakening. I can say that from the vantage point of having once been a rabid supporter of Israel and a member in good standing of the "Israel can do no wrong" club. For me it was a slow thing as data accumulated that I could not disregard. In dealing with someone who has been indoctrinated that it is a religious duty to support Israel you are running up against the authority of their Pastor. That makes is a bit rougher since most people take the word of such an authority unquestioned.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
You are right. Their mind is made up and they will never change. Oh, they can be woken up, but the chore is very time intensive and requires a lot of patience. Since time is short triage has to be applied and you need to use your time to reach others who are more reachable. Many of these people mean well but they have been so indoctrinated by PsyOps control that they require a patient step by plodding step approach. I feel sorry for them, but don't have time to waste on them as time is too short. You can try planting a time bomb though. Just ask them "How do you know that the Zionist State is the Israel of the Bible?" "How do you square that with Rabbinical writings which call it an abomination?"
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Time is too short!
There was a time where I was part of the Israel (Zionism) can do no wrong crowd. Judaism is a beautiful faith and practice and the Jewish people are a great people. Zionism is godless and has tragically co-opted much of Judaism. I am the only one in my family who has recovered from the deception as reading the Church Fathers led to many questions which needed answers. I pay for it dearly. I am the perceived nutcase in the family. I have to walk a thin line. With all things love and mercy. It's hard to do that. Pick your battles carefully. If there is a chink in the armor it is with the "Left Behind", the premillenial rapture, doctrine.
"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.
That's funny. Oh crap, I thought he meant the company 3D. I get it now, funny.
God is always good!
Have you read their most "Holy" book, the Talmud? If you haven't then read it before calling it a beautiful faith and practice. If you have read it already then you are one sick puppy to say what you just said.
God is always good!
Those are the easiest people to scam on Earth. I have too much integrity to do it myself, but anyone with above average intelligence could make a killing off of these people.
God is always good!
Those are the easiest people to scam on Earth. I have too much integrity to do it myself, but anyone with above average intelligence could make a killing off of these people.
I've read enough and I am quite familiar with it's very ugly parts. The Qur'an and the Old Testament are filled with enough violence, sex, death, destruction and ugliness in their own rights. I'm not a defender of Zionism. There is evil and sickness contained within every religion- Judaism does not escape this. This does not take away from it's beauty. Same with Islam. Same with Christianity. Etc, etc, etc. Everyone will have much to answer for, either in this life or the next. I would suggest you You Tube the Jews in Iran. Watch their worship, faith and practice and tell me how sickening it is. Or maybe you can tell me how sick and degenerate Orthodox Rabbi Weiss is as he fights against Zionism. Perhaps you can sit in with me as my Jewish barber tells her stories and launches against Israel, our crimes in Iraq, and how she wants peace and co-existence. Maybe you can talk to her about her sickness. Maybe I was referring to a Judaism as was practiced before Zionism gained it's foothold. Rabbit Weiss talked about such a Judaism interested in peace and co-existence and one willing to allow some of these ugly and nonsensical teachings to fade away (Zionism has no such interest). Maybe I base my statements on the Jews I've met who like, me, do the best they can in this life and try to get along with everyone else. Maybe I was hoping a bit much people could reasonably infer what I was hinting at.
"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.
Open Letter to Israeli Soldiers: Jews call on Israeli soldiers to stop War Crimes
They hate US because of our freedoms (Hooters, Budweiser commercials, elections, churchs, and so forth and so on).
AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA & HOLLYWOOD: Oh, those Islamofascists.
They could not care any less about "data". There is a lot of truth in the saying "you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink". Who gave you the desire to search for the truth? I bet it wasn't a person. Trying to show anyone the error of their ways is a waste of time. Either they will have that desire, or they wont. You can't give them that desire. But if someone already has that desire, you can help them. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
Scooter, there are people of good will on all sides. An unfortunate outcome of extreme violence like that which we are witness to today is that the fear it creates forces the common people to choose sides against their better natures. The greater the violence, the greater the fear. Soon whole nations fall victim to collective sociopathy. It's impossible for most people to screw up the stuff to kill another human being who doesn't actually have a finger in your eye or a knife to your ribs. That why it takes roughly half a dozen people to execute a condemned man. Each does his part, and no one alone is the executioner. When carried out on innocent people, however, there is no hiding from responsibility for mass execution. Tim Butcher of the Telegraph says in the video below that these killer incidents are going to be "the tipping point" that will cause the world to say "Enough." What I've been witness to the last week has been truly nauseating. Hamas has marched off Fatah men to be kneecapped and killed. The IDF is shelling schools and houses into which whole clans have been concentrated for execution. It goes without saying that there are no clean hands here. However, it behooves those with the upper hand, those with the overwhelming superiority in men, materiel, and ammunition to put a stop to this butchery.
I will never ever forget that image. Same here.
"Where once a tyrant had to wish that his subjects had but one common neck that he might strangle them all at once, all he has to do now is to 'educate the people' so that they will have but one common mind to delude." -- Richard Mitchell (1929-2002) Professor at Glassboro State College, NJ, author, founder and publisher of The Underground Grammarian Source: The Underground Grammarian
I can say that from the vantage point of having once been a rabid supporter of Israel and a member in good standing of the "Israel can do no wrong" club. For me it was a slow thing as data accumulated that I could not disregard. They could not care any less about "data". There is a lot of truth in the saying "you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink". Who gave you the desire to search for the truth? I bet it wasn't a person. Trying to show anyone the error of their ways is a waste of time. There is a lot of truth to what you say, but I think you err in that final statement: But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand. "...Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary 33:1-9 The prophet is a watchman to the house of Israel. His business is to warn sinners of their misery and danger. He must warn the wicked to turn from their way, that they may live. If souls perish through his neglect of duty, he brings guilt upon himself. ...." "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I've read enough and I am quite familiar with it's very ugly parts. The Qur'an and the Old Testament are filled with enough violence, sex, death, destruction and ugliness in their own rights. I'm not a defender of Zionism. There is evil and sickness contained within every religion- Judaism does not escape this. This does not take away from it's beauty. Same with Islam. Same with Christianity. Etc, etc, etc. Everyone will have much to answer for, either in this life or the next. I would suggest you You Tube the Jews in Iran. Watch their worship, faith and practice and tell me how sickening it is. Or maybe you can tell me how sick and degenerate Orthodox Rabbi Weiss is as he fights against Zionism. Perhaps you can sit in with me as my Jewish barber tells her stories and launches against Israel, our crimes in Iraq, and how she wants peace and co-existence. Maybe you can talk to her about her sickness. Maybe I was referring to a Judaism as was practiced before Zionism gained it's foothold. Rabbit Weiss talked about such a Judaism interested in peace and co-existence and one willing to allow some of these ugly and nonsensical teachings to fade away (Zionism has no such interest). Maybe I base my statements on the Jews I've met who like, me, do the best they can in this life and try to get along with everyone else. Maybe I was hoping a bit much people could reasonably infer what I was hinting at. Well spoken. Though I rail at the inhumanity and evil perpetrated by the Zionists it should never be taken as a condemnation of ALL Jews nor of religion. Zionism IS a political movement and one which was on a fast path to oblivion UNTIL the Rothschilds began funding Theodore Hertzl and the World Zionist Movement. To understand Zionism and modern Israhell one must understand what underlies it, and it is not Judaism, it is power and money, with underlying occultic, Kaballistic, beliefs - which are a far cry from the Judaism of the Torah.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I would agree with you but for the fact that you took a tone of equivocation. If Fatah's army and Hamas militants and the IDF want to beat up on each other up, the UN should reserve a deserted island for the 3 groups - give them the same weapons - and let them go to it and work off their testosterone. However, the situation we have today is that nearly 1000 Palestinians, many of whom are civilians including women and children, are being executed by the IDF's oiled and finely tuned killing machine. The Palis are hemmed in their outdoor concentration camps - they cannot leave the 4 mile by 20 mile perimeter they are imprisoned in. Borders are sealed. They are being executed for being Palestinian much like the Jews were executed by the Naziis for being Jewish. In the course of the past 8 years, less than 30 Israelis and some of them were Israeli military were killed by rocketry. In the past 2 weeks nearly 1000 Palestinians mainly civilians were killed by the IDF. The Israelis broke the cease fire on several occasions the past 6 months. The Israelis started the military offensive on Gaza for no good reason. The Israelis are saturated in blood. Fatah is its usual useless corrupt organization. Hamas militants have some blood on their hands from the rocketry that killed 30 Israelis in an 8 year span. I don't see 3 parties equally to blame here. Postscript: I was browsing the talkback section of an article in ynet news yesterday and one reader wrote that he was sickened but not surprised by the IDF's murderous offensive in Gaza. He said he served with the IDF for several years but he left because he could not stand his fellow soldiers anymore. He claimed that most of the IDF hated the Palestinians so much that they looked forward to any excuse to hurt them. Now Old Friend might say that this reader was a phony IDF soldier lying about the overall mindset of brave IDF soldiers to get sympathy for the Palestinians being genocided in Gaza, but I am 100% sure this reader was who he said he was because of the pain in the words he chose to describe an org he was once a part of.
A very good question with many many implications which could be explored philosophically for quite some time. I like it. However, the simple answer is that the desire to know what is true is a part of me, who I am, a central part of my fundamental existence as a spiritual being. I also think that desire to know the truth lies in all of us. Were that not so then there would be no such thing as courts, fact finding committees, or prized reference books. There would be no religion, because religion at its most fundamental philosophic level IS a search, a quest, for THE truth. That man behaves irrationally, at times, is another matter and so that also becomes an important question and the answer to which is the difference between descending into barbaric animalism or rising upward toward the light.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I referred to you in the text of my post, so in keeping with the unwritten rules of net discussion etiquette, I am pinging you.
OK. You took me to the woodshed. I'll take the gloves off. I will agree with the soldier who said, "The Palis are hemmed in their outdoor concentration camps - they cannot leave the 4 mile by 20 mile perimeter they are imprisoned in. Borders are sealed. They are being executed for being Palestinian much like the Jews were executed by the Naziis for being Jewish." I will also hand the butcher's bill for all this to the Israeli government and the IDF. All reasonable people in this world are sickened by what they have seen in the past two weeks. There is no defense to what Israel has done.
I didn't mean it to be that way. I hope you're joking. Yes?
No, I wasn't. And you were right. I was pulling punches. Which the IDF is not.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Rabbi Perin: "A million Arabs are not worth one Jewish fingernail" ====================== Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men")..... Jews are Divine, Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God..... Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep. Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel." Jews May Lie to Non-Jews, Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile. Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human, Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals. Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth. .... Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal." Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."...... Tidbits from the Talmud "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I dont know. How do you point out an elephant rampaging thru a living room? They are already making a point of ignoring the damage it's done, and they're constantly making excuses for it. And you want to point it out to them? They love that elephant. They hate you for pointing it out to them. We already are "blowing the trumpet", IMO. They just dont want to hear it. But if you disagree, thats cool. I certainly dont want to discourage you or anyone else. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
That's their problem. I only have to preach the word. Whether they accept it or not is up to them and God. Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. I have to preach until the end. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? bible.cc/romans/10-14.htm Who knows? There may be a remnant it will help to escape the fire.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
You're absolutely right on that. If you are called to preach, then that is what you will do.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
next day: ~ my few moments on the soap box resulted in the researcher adding a note to their article stipulating that their information was garnered from a local preacher and the addition of a few charts that show 'facts' about what has happened recently ... one small victory for trying to open some eyes *s
It was necessary for the children and wounded to be taken to the hospital by donkey cart, because the Israelis had taken time to construct earthen walls that prevented rescue vehicles from reaching the wounded
#7. To: Original_Intent (#5)
The Nazis did not want winesses to their atrocities either.
#8. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all
#9. To: wudidiz (#8)
I don't know what to say.
#10. To: Original_Intent (#5)
Propaganda Machine has the Sheeple convinced that the Palestinians are attacking the pooooooooooooooooooooooor Israelis.
#11. To: OliviaFNewton (#3)
It was necessary for the children and wounded to be taken to the hospital by donkey cart, because the Israelis had taken time to construct earthen walls that prevented rescue vehicles from reaching the wounded
#12. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#13. To: Amandil (#10)
3D world
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all
#14. To: Amandil (#10)
.. ~ I attempted to begin some re-education today with a few folks from 3D world, they began using bible teachings to show me the error of my ways ~ I offered history lessons ~ they give me bible verse..
#15. To: TwentyTwelve (#14)
Were you talking to Old Friend?
#16. To: Amandil (#10)
Propaganda Machine has the Sheeple convinced that the Palestinians are attacking the pooooooooooooooooooooooor Israelis.
#17. To: Amandil (#15)
maybe I should bring in doughnuts tomorrow and tell em I was just kidding around ... *s
#18. To: Original_Intent, Amandil (#16)
The foundation, in part, is that the Zionist State named Israel is the Israel of the Bible. As long as they believe that you cannot begin to get through to them. All you will do is bang your head off of a stone wall of programmed obstinate ignorance.
#19. To: Amandil (#16)
#20. To: TwentyTwelve (#18)
The foundation, in part, is that the Zionist State named Israel is the Israel of the Bible. As long as they believe that you cannot begin to get through to them. All you will do is bang your head off of a stone wall of programmed obstinate ignorance.
#21. To: Original_Intent (#20)
I feel sorry for them, but don't have time to waste on them as time is too short.
#22. To: Amandil (#15)
#23. To: wudidiz (#13)
3D world
#24. To: scooter (#22)
Judaism is a beautiful faith and practice and the Jewish people are a great people.
#25. To: Original_Intent (#19)
In dealing with someone who has been indoctrinated that it is a religious duty to support Israel you are running up against the authority of their Pastor. That makes is a bit rougher since most people take the word of such an authority unquestioned.
#26. To: RickyJ, Original_Intent (#25)
In dealing with someone who has been indoctrinated that it is a religious duty to support Israel you are running up against the authority of their Pastor. That makes is a bit rougher since most people take the word of such an authority unquestioned.
#27. To: RickyJ (#24)
Have you read their most "Holy" book, the Talmud?
#28. To: scooter, RickyJ, all (#27)
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all
#29. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
this is a recount of the butchery displayed by the US-funded Israeli military earlier this week
#30. To: Original_Intent (#19)
I can say that from the vantage point of having once been a rabid supporter of Israel and a member in good standing of the "Israel can do no wrong" club. For me it was a slow thing as data accumulated that I could not disregard.
#31. To: scooter (#27)
#32. To: scrapper2 (#11)
"because the Israelis had taken time to construct earthen walls that prevented rescue vehicles from reaching the wounded"
#33. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent, Amandil (#30)
To: Original_Intent
#34. To: scooter, RickyJ, all (#27)
Have you read their most "Holy" book, the Talmud?
#35. To: randge (#31)
(Edited)
Hamas has marched off Fatah men to be kneecapped and killed. The IDF is shelling schools and houses into which whole clans have been concentrated for execution. It goes without saying that there are no clean hands here. However, it behooves those with the upper hand, those with the overwhelming superiority in men, materiel, and ammunition to put a stop to this butchery.
#36. To: PSUSA (#30)
Who gave you the desire to search for the truth? I bet it wasn't a person.
#37. To: Old Friend (#35)
#38. To: scrapper2 (#35)
(Edited)
I would agree with you but for the fact that you took a tone of equivocation.
#39. To: randge (#38)
OK. You took me to the woodshed.
#40. To: scrapper2 (#39)
#41. To: TwentyTwelve (#9)
#42. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#33)
but I think you err in that final statement:
#43. To: PSUSA (#42)
And you want to point it out to them? They love that elephant. They hate you for pointing it out to them.
#44. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#43)
#45. To: Original_Intent (#19)
In dealing with someone who has been indoctrinated that it is a religious duty to support Israel you are running up against the authority of their Pastor. That makes is a bit rougher since most people take the word of such an authority unquestioned.
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