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Title: Israel: God's Chosen People
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Published: Jan 10, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-01-10 01:00:43 by Old Friend
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The Jewish people are God's chosen people. In a world where there is increasing anti-Semitism, God is still in control. There is absolutely no evidence in the Bible where God rejects the Jewish people as His chosen people. There is no evidence where God is for anti-Semitism. In fact, the roots of Christianity is in Judaism. In the Book of Exodus, the same God that Christians worshipped the last 2000 years is the exact same God as the "Lord God of the Hebrews" (Exodus 3:18). The Bible was written by men and inspired by God thousands of years before Christianity. The Jews were held in captivity by the Egyptians for over 400 years. God constantly reminded the Jewish people, who were called Israelites in the Old Testament of their freedom from slavery. He was the same God that commanded the people to worship Him and obey all of His commandments and walk in His judgements. Even though God's people has disobeyed the Lord, they have been forgiven by Him after they repented and returned to Him. They are God's people by covenant. To Abram (Abraham), He said that He will make of him a great nation. (Genesis 12:2) He has also said that He will bless those who bless them and curse those that curse Israel. (Gen. 12:3) Throughout history, every nation that has oppressed or cursed the Jewish people are either no longer in existence or have had to suffer various consequences as a result. Two examples that come to mind are Germany and ancient Egypt. While it is true that many of the Jewish people have rejected Jesus, there is never any excuse for bigotry and anti-Semitism. Many of the first Christian believers, all 12 disciples, the writers of the Bible, and Jesus Himself are all Jews. Paul, a Jew, wrote most of the entire New Testament or some of the books were based on His letters. "Salvation is of the Jews" (John 4:22). Jesus came to save the Jewish people. He is still the Messiah of the Jewish people. Romans 1:16 says that "It is the power of God unto salvation to the Jew first, then to the Gentile." The birth and ministry of the Messiah has been prophesied in the Old Testament books of Psalms, Isaiah, and Zechariah. Isaiah 45:17 says, " [But] Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end." Israel will always be God's chosen people. In Revelation 7:4-8, 144,000 Jewish will have the seals of God written on their foreheads. God will not break His covenant with the Jewish people, nor will He. In Isaiah 46: 13, Israel is "my glory". In Israel 49:3, Israel is God's servant, in whom they will be glorified. Isaiah 49:6 also says, "And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth." Do not believe the lies that God is not the God of the Jewish people or it is okay to hate them because "they killed Jesus."
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#1. To: Old Friend (#0)
Just fucking stuff it. Take your perverted vision, nightmare misinterpretations and bowlderization of Christianity, and just shove it square up your perverted rectum. Chosen, does not mean a license to kill, ravage, murder, and engage in violation of the Commandments. Chosen, is moment in history which a good many Rabbis will tell you was forfeited by the Jewish people in their hubris and turning away from God. The Ashkenazim who run modern Israel are Eastern Eurpean Khazars who were converted to Judaism long after the Old Testament, The Torah, was written and ARE NOT the Hebrew People of the Bible. Your attempt, and that of the Pastoral Prostitues you appear to follow, to attempt to twist the teachings of peace and mutual respect into a justification for license to kill, maim, torture, cheat, swindle, covet, and generally piss all over the tenets of any sane religion is contemptible as well as false teachings.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
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Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids) RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP I don't care what your cause is, what your religion is, what your beliefs are or what your justification is: When you are killing unarmed men, women and children who are doing nothing more than trying to survive and get by from day to day, then you and your fellow killers are ASSHOLES who deserve nothing more than condemnation, disgust and revulsion. Nothing more than a bunch of sick, evil bastards. As far as I'm concerned, any "God" of any people willing to commit such atrocities is not a "God" worthy of any respect whatsoever. Someday, I keep telling myself, someday the human race will advance far enough to shake off the mental shackles of bronze-age superstitions and fairy tales as told by schizophrenics and con men. Someday...
#2. To: Old Friend (#0)
#3. To: Old Friend, Old Fiend, TwentyTwelve (#0)
#4. To: Original_Intent, ALL (#3)
Chosen, does not mean a license to kill, ravage, murder, and engage in violation of the Commandments.
#5. To: Original_Intent (#3)
#6. To: redpanther (#3)
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#7. To: Original_Intent (#3)
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#8. To: Original_Intent (#3)
#9. To: Old Friend (#0)
Israel's right to kill children 
#10. To: Elliott Jackalope (#7) (Edited)
Please do not mistake the perversion of religion to justify evil as the reality of that religion. There are many good Christians, and yes, good Jews. Do not mistake the distortions and perversions for the truth, they are not. Religion in its highest form provides direction and seeks to answer the most fundamental questions of existence, the most important ones. Who am I? What am I? What is right? What is just? Because some leader, or leaders, claim to be acting in the name of a religious belief in preying upon their fellows does not make such a liar a truth teller and it does not negate the good which can be found in religion. Zionism is a POLITICAL Movement which was populated with Atheists who felt no compunction in perverting religion to foul ends. That there are misguided, or base operating from criminal motives, Christians who would grant license to commit deeds which can only be judged a perversion of their own religion does not make that perversion truth.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#11. To: Old Friend (#0)
The Jewish people are God's chosen people. In a world where there is increasing anti-Semitism, God is still in control.
#12. To: Elliott Jackalope (#7)
No, that will never happen because everyone including yourself believes in something that we cannot explain and IMO will never be able to explain in human bodies. Whether it be God, evolution, or life itself, we all believe in something that we have don't have 100% evidence of.
Someday, I keep telling myself, someday the human race will advance far enough to shake off the mental shackles of bronze-age superstitions and fairy tales as told by schizophrenics and con men. Someday...
God is always good!
#13. To: Old Friend (#0)
CHOSEN TO FOLLOW HIS COMMANDMENTS, INCLUDING 'THOU SHALT NOT KILL' and 'THOU SHALT NOT STEAL' and 'THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS' and 'THOU SHALT NOT COVET THEY NEIGHBOR"(not even their land and resources. Historically, the Jews suffer greatly for the Zionists spitting on the Word of God. Apparently, you fail to to understand the Commandments and what it means to keep an agreement.
#14. To: abraxas (#13)
Well said sir, well said.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#15. To: Old Friend (#0)
#16. To: Old Friend (#0)
If you are truly interested in this subject you must study further to understand that those called Israelites in the Old Testament are a completely different ethnic grouping than those calling themselves Jews today. The promises made to Abraham and his descendants do not apply to this group because the majority are not descended from Abraham at all. To understand this, and it is difficult for some to comprehend, you must familiarize yourself with the 2 captivities and the nature of modern Jewry. It's important to note that 10 of the Tribes were "LOST" leaving only 2 that claim the total inheritance. And these 2 tribes (Judah and Benjamin) were taken to Babylon where they intermarried and brought back to Jerusalem a new religion that is based upon the teachings of Ashpenaz in the "WAYS of the BABYLONIANS". [See 1st Chapter of Daniel]. These teachings were taught in Synagogues at the time of Christ. Prior to the return from Babylon THE HEBREWS HAD NO SYNAGOGUES. The Synagogue is a Babylonian Invention, as are the teachings Christ described as the Traditions of Men/Elders. These teachings were taught orally until 500 A.D. when they were codified and took the form of what is called the Babylonian Talmud, and is where today's Rabbis refer for guidance. Christ himself called these teachings evil and in opposition to God's Laws. This subject needs to be understood by Christians because their misunderstanding of it causes them to think that the modern day Jew is an ISRAELITE, which is wrong. Modern day Jewry are EDOMITES by their own admission (Jewish Encyclopedia), and Eastern European converts to Talmudism. Again for emphassis, THEY ARE NOT ISRAELITES, they did not come out of Egypt with Moses, and in Chapter 8 of John they admit this when they say to Jesus, "WE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN BONDAGE TO ANY MAN" ... ALL ISRAELITES had been in bondage to the Pharoah. Without understanding the Ashkenazim Jew (Germanic convert to Talmudism 750 AD) as opposed to the Sephardic Jew (Spanish Jew that migrated from Jerusalem 70 AD) it is impossible to comprehend the truth regarding "the State of Israel". Let me close by saying that at one time I held the same belief that you do about the Jews as chosen people. I was wrong then and so are you. I have spent years studying the history of the Jews in order to know the truth. My understanding of the truth is not absolute, but it is clear enough to determine that 90% of the people claiming descendancy from Abraham are liars and frauds. If you focus on the Ashkenazim Jew (not descended from Shem as was Abraham), you will at least know that zionists are primarily Ashkenazim Jews making a false claim to the promises made to Abraham. One last point. International Law is not based upon the Bible or the promises made to Abraham. I'm not arguing against God or the Bible because the world would be a better place if it were operated according to God's Law. That's not the point here. The point is that no other nation has ever been established by international mandate based upon a scriptural interpretation of an alleged PROMISE, made by an INVISIBLE GOD, that was UNWITNESSED by anyone, 4000 years earlier. (Genesis 12:2) He has also said that He will bless those who bless them and curse those that curse Israel. This one verse has inhibited many Christians from finding out the truth because they mistake Jews for Israelites. No one wants to be cursed by God, especially ME. But when you discover that 90% of the people calling themselves Jews are those referenced in Revelations 2:9 and Revelations 3:9 ... The Synagogue of SATAN that say they are Jews, but are not, but do LIE you are then free to know the truth. God said "My PEOPLE are destroyed for lack of knowledge" ... and WHO MIGHT THAT BE ... I say it's you and I if we refuse to search for the truth. Read the parable of the Wheat and Tares with understanding and you'll better understand the truth. By the way, your post mentioned that God promised to make of Abram (Abraham) a great nation. This same promise was made to Hagar, the mother of Abraham's 1st child, Ishmael. Ishmael is considered by scholars to be the Arab peoples. [Abraham had children by 3 women but the covenant being discussed here only applied to those children he had with Sarah, his 1/2 sister]. The covenant with Abraham stated that out of Abraham (through ISAAC, the father of Jacob/Israel) would come MANY NATIONS, among other things. If you simply study all of these promises you will learn something of value. Modern Jewry cannot claim to have fulfilled any of them. [Please think about that for a moment. Is God a liar ? Why haven't the Jews fulfilled any of the promises ??? The truth is because they aren't Israelites. Go to the International Quality of Life Index and find the top 12 Nations listed and you'll be far closer to the truth than you are today. That's a PROMISE.
God constantly reminded the Jewish people, who were called Israelites in the Old Testament of their freedom from slavery. He was the same God that commanded the people to worship Him and obey all of His commandments and walk in His judgements. Even though God's people has disobeyed the Lord, they have been forgiven by Him after they repented and returned to Him. They are God's people by covenant. To Abram (Abraham), He said that He will make of him a great nation.
#17. To: Old Friend (#0)
Jesus took it away from them 2000 years ago. Read what he said,
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#18. To: Old Friend (#0)
The Covenant was not with just the Jews. Judaism is a faith, a relgion. And the Lord repeatedly reminds all through His Word that those who break the covenant will be cut off. Ezekiel 17 19 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; As I live, surely mine oath that he hath despised, and my covenant that he hath broken, even it will I recompense upon his own head Genesis 17 1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. 3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. 5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. 6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. 9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. 10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. . . . 14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. Leviticus 26 13I am the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright. 14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; 15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: 16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. 17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. 18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. 19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass: 20 And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits. 21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. 22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate. 23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me; 24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins. 25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. 26 And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied. 27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; 28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. 29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. 30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you. 31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours. 32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it. 33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste. 34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths. 35 As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it. 36 And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth. 37 And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies. 38 And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up. 39 And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them. 40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me; 41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity: 42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land. I Corinthians 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many. Romans 11 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
#19. To: noone222, bush_is_a_moonie (#16)
Thank you both gentlement. While I do have some strengths I lay no claim to Biblical Scholarship beyond what I have read in my study of history, so I thank you both for the instruction.
""I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#20. To: Old Friend (#0)
NOT true. I'm not going to comment on this one at this time....just going to throw it out there to dispute this person's word. After you have read the rest of this post, maybe you can come back and see the ultimate fate of Israel. Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...cfm?b=Jer&c=3&v=8&t=KJV#8 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/s...k.cfm?b=Jer&c=3&v=8&t=KJV ============================== Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; [no white robes there!] and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Isa 64:7 And [there is] none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities. Isa 64:10 Thy holy cities are a wilderness, Zion is a wilderness, Jerusalem a desolation. Isa 64:11 Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our pleasant things are laid waste... www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=64&v=1&t=KJV **** Now....There are two Israels in Isaiah 65. One is cursed, and one is blessed. One was present. One was future. Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...?b=Isa&c=65&v=15&t=KJV#15 [what was that again about there being "absolutely no evidence where God rejects the Jewish people as his chosen people"?] Compare to John 15:15-16 Jhn 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. [Note: Abraham was also a "friend of God": Jam 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. ] continuing with John 15, prophetic mate of Isaiah 65:15: Jhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...?b=Jhn&c=15&v=15&t=KJV#15 Isa 65:16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. [Jesus: I AM the Way, and THE TRUTH, and the Life.....No one comes to the Father but by me....Ye shall not see me again until ye say Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord...."the former troubles are forgotten and hid" from His eyes because when He looks at a Christian, all He sees is their white robe of righteousness washed in the blood of the Lamb...."Their righteousness is of me" http://www.blueletterbible.org/s...cfm?b=Isa&c=54&v=17&t=KJV ...... 2Cr 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. ] Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. "Heaven and earth" to the Jews was the temple. It was where Heaven and Earth met. God has a new "heaven and earth"; He has a new Temple: 1 Cr 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...m?b=2Cr&c=6&v=16&t=KJV#16 / scroll down to "I will dwell" http://www.blueletterbible.org/s....cfm?b=2Cr&c=6&v=16&t=KJV ------------------------------- Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, [i.e., in Jesus Christ] the same are the children of Abraham. Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed. Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. Gal 3:10 *****For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, ****The just shall live by faith. [**** Remember Martin Luther?] Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree: Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though [it be] but a man's covenant, yet [if it be] confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to ****** thy seed, ***** which is Christ....... Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. [btw, There was a promise made to Abraham that his seed should be servants in a "land not their own and they would afflict them 400 years". Genesis 15:13-14. Note that promise was also made "before the law" and is STILL IN EFFECT.] Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise....... Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [There's those "white robes" I was talking about. That's what God sees when He looks at a Christian.] Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [the kicker:] Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...m?b=Gal&c=3&v=16&t=KJV#16 Likewise: Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. [See Galatians 3:16-18, 29 above] Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the **** righteousness of faith. Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law [be] heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: [See Galatians 3:17-18] more: http://www.blueletterbible.org/s....cfm?b=Gal&c=3&v=29&t=KJV John the Baptist to the Jews: Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [Remember John 15-16 above. Jesus said the Christian fruit would remain, but coming upon the Jewish fig tree, said "Let no fruit grow on thee FOREVER." http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...?b=Mat&c=21&v=19&t=KJV#19 ] Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire: Mat 3:12 Whose fan [is] in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...cfm?b=Mat&c=3&v=9&t=KJV#9 Jesus: Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof...... Mat 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...?b=Mat&c=21&v=43&t=KJV#43 ".....[Phariseeism Is Talmudism Is Judaism "Phariseeism became Talmudism, Talmudism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became modern Rabbinism. Both throughout these changes in name ...the spirit of the ancient Pharisees survives, unaltered (Pharisees, the Sociological Background of Their Faith, Louis Finkelstein, p.21)." "The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees ...The Talmud is the largest and most important single member of that literature ...and the study of it is essential for any real understanding of Phariseeism (Universal Jewish Encyclopedia under Pharisees)." ] ....." Christ is King of Israel, and Christians are the Israelitic race [Excerpts from Justin Martyr dialogue with Trypho, a Jew] http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=93210 ] so much for their chosenness To this day they deny His name, call His mother a whore, and say that He Himself is boiling in hell in semen and excrement, they have enslaved and afflicted His people from the time the cross was planted on these shores in 1607. [Genesis 15:13-14] Are you aware they got Congress and the Presidents[s] to pass and annually commemorate the so-called Noahide Laws, which claim that Christians are idolators and must be decapitated? [ www.sweetliberty.org/pers...e/jewishpersecution14.htm ]. Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day [is] blasphemed. www.blueletterbible.org/B...fm?b=Isa&c=52&v=5&t=KJV#5 Jews God's chosen people? I think not.....until they say Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.
The Jewish people are God's chosen people. In a world where there is increasing anti-Semitism, God is still in control. There is absolutely no evidence in the Bible where God rejects the Jewish people as His chosen people.
[thanks to TwentyTwelve ]
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#21. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Old Friend (#20)
Here are several versions of the Bible where Christ is speaking to someone. International Standard Version (©2008) New American Standard Bible (©1995) GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) King James Bible American King James Version American Standard Version Bible in Basic English Douay-Rheims Bible Darby Bible Translation
Whom is is speaking to?
You belong to your father the devil, and you want to carry out the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and has never stood for truth, since there is no truth in him. Whenever he tells a lie he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies.
"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
You come from your father, the devil, and you desire to do what your father wants you to do. The devil was a murderer from the beginning. He has never been truthful. He doesn't know what the truth is. Whenever he tells a lie, he's doing what comes naturally to him. He's a liar and the father of lies.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and stayed not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
You are the children of your father the Evil One and it is your pleasure to do his desires. From the first he was a taker of life; and he did not go in the true way because there is no true thing in him. When he says what is false, it is natural to him, for he is false and the father of what is false.
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
Ye are of the devil, as your father, and ye desire to do the lusts of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks falsehood, he speaks of what is his own; for he is a liar and its father:
#22. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#21)
He was talking to the Jews/Pharisees. www.blueletterbible.org/B...m?b=Jhn&c=8&v=44&t=KJV#44 I read noone's response earlier [briefly], and I suspect that is what you are really referring to, right? If so, while I go back and read noone's reply more thoroughly, let me know exactly what you are getting at.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#23. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#22)
What was noons reply, on what thd?
#24. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#21)
He was talking to a select group of jews. Obviously not all the Jews as ALL his apostles were Jews.
King James Bible Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
#25. To: Old Friend (#24)
As you know "Jews" do NOT believe that Christ was the son of G_d. So that means that we all are "Jews"(so to speak) until we come to Christ. If the story about the Prodigal Son doesn't refer to "Jews" I don't know what does.
#26. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#25)
In revelatoin it teaches that All the Jews will be saved. I guess they are going to turn to christ sometime at the end.
#27. To: Old Friend (#24)
He was talking to a select group of jews. Obviously not all the Jews as ALL his apostles were Jews. Jesus: Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof...... Mat 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. ".....[Phariseeism Is Talmudism **** Is Judaism
King James Bible Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#28. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#23)
comment #16, this thread we're on, above. http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=93564&Disp=16#C16
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#29. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#27)
"you" are the ones he is talking to individually. That has to be the case to square it with Romans Chapter 11 which says I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof......
#30. To: Old Friend (#26)
I believe the Bible says 144,000 doesn't it?
#31. To: Old Friend (#29)
"you" are the ones he is talking to individually. the nation He is giving the kingdom to is not that "parched" place starving, beating, abusing, and murdering: Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink? Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]? Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me........ Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me. Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof......
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#32. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#30)
Yes. That needs further exploration. Good point.
I believe the Bible says 144,000 doesn't it?
#33. To: Old Friend, wudidiz, ALL (#32)
#34. To: Old Friend (#26)
not "Jews" Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: www.blueletterbible.org/s....cfm?b=Rom&c=2&v=28&t=KJV Rom 2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God. www.blueletterbible.org/s....cfm?b=Rom&c=2&v=29&t=KJV Isa 1:9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, [and] we should have been like unto Gomorrah. ****** Mic 4:7 And I will make her that halted **** a remnant, and **** her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever. www.blueletterbible.org/B...cfm?b=Mic&c=4&v=7&t=KJV#7 BACK TO REVELATION AND YOUR CONTENTION THAT "ALL THE JEWS WILL BE SAVED".... Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rev&c=7&v=4 so...... Where's Dan? Where's Ephraim? btw, 144,000 doesn't sound like : Gen 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. oops..... Deu 28:62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God........ http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...?b=Deu&c=28&v=62&t=KJV#62
In revelatoin it teaches that All the Jews will be saved. I guess they are going to turn to christ sometime at the end.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#35. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#34)
prob'ly out masquerading as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, rejecting the Stone that became the head of the corner. http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...?b=Mat&c=21&v=42&t=KJV#42 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/s...cfm?b=Mat&c=21&v=42&t=KJV "...The conspiracy of the tribe of Dan, aka the Synagogue of Satan, to steal the messianic birthright from the tribe of Judah and establish a false messianic kingdom in Israel is given more detailed treatment in our report, Mystery Babylon: Catholic or Jewish?...... The Merovingians [see also THE MEROVINGIAN ANCESTRY OF THE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES ..... http://http:watch.pair.com/dragon-lineage.html ], who plan to rule the world from their future throne at Jerusalem, claim to come from the tribe of Judah through Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene. However, the weight of evidence indicates that they descended from the tribe of Dan. Although Scripture states that Samson was “of the family of the Danites” [Judges 13:2], Yair Davidy of Brit-Am Israel claims that his lineage includes the Messianic tribe of Judah: “Samson the superman hero came from the Tribe of Dan but his mother was from Judah. Samson, in some respects, was considered a forerunner of the Messiah who will come from Judah but his mother, according to the Midrash will be of the Tribe of Dan.” [Brit-Am Israel newsletter, 2/9/99] It is through the agency of the ultra-Orthodox Lubavitch Movement that the Gentiles are being prepared to submit to the Noahide Laws under a restored Sanhedrin. Yair Davidy posits, “The name DAN means “judge” in Hebrew. Many lawyers and judges in the USA are of Irish descent of a particular type as is much of the police force ... Descendants of Dan today appear to be concentrated in Ireland, Britain, the USA, and especially Denmark.” Merovingians are also found leading pseudo-Christian organizations as many profiles in the Council for National Policy and Discernment Ministries reveal. These Merovingian agents actively promote the Hebrew Roots / Messianic Movement as the catalyst for Judaizing Christians......." http://watch.pair.com/dan.html THE ROYAL HOUSE OF [JUDEO-] BRITAIN "Judah and Ephraim" http://www.asis.com/users/stag/royalty.html Royal [Jewish] US Presidents ....I found that George Washington was of royal blood. ... http://www.asis.com/~stag/uspres.html A nonsensical fairy tale [they are "delusional": http://www.blueletterbible.org/B...fm?b=Isa&c=66&v=4&t=KJV#4 ....God will have them in derision: http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=2&v=4 ]: "....TWO KINGDOMS, TWO HOUSES, TWO ROCKS Birthright Sceptre http://www.asis.com/users/stag/stone.html see: 4um British Israel: The Hidden Hand Behind the 'The Kingdom of God on Earth' Deception.... http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=72694 Scepter of Judah and Thesis Statements [Agenda for World War, Destruction of Christian America; and Jewish Supremacy] http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=75182
so...... Where's Dan? Where's Ephraim?
House of Israel: Joseph gets Bethel Rock, Bethel mountain, 10 Tribed kingdom
House of Judah: Judah gets the Spiritual Rock, Jesus. Both Rocks were rejected. Bethel so it could travel to be with The People, Israel, in the British Isles....."
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#36. To: Old Friend, Original_Intent, wudidiz (#0)
Israeli Children Learning to Love 
#37. To: TwentyTwelve (#36)
whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/blackmail.html
#38. To: TwentyTwelve (#36)
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Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids) RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP
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#39. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#37)
The focus of the article was a single question. Could Israel be blackmailing the entire US Government and media. whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/blackmail.html
#40. To: Old Friend (#0)
x - ref: "Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer -- -- and we are his chosen people." - The Harold Wallace Rosenthal Interview 1976, The Hidden Tyranny http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=93652 Christ is King of Israel, and Christians are the Israelitic race Israel: God's Chosen People
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
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