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Title: Paul: Israeli acts in Gaza 'immoral'
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URL Source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=81830§ionid=3510203
Published: Jan 11, 2009
Author: PressTV
Post Date: 2009-01-11 20:10:53 by bush_is_a_moonie
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Congressman Ron Paul condemns the violence in the Gaza Strip, saying the "collective punishment" against Palestinians is immoral. "Many innocent children are among the dead. While the shooting of rockets into Israel is inexcusable, the violent actions of some people in Gaza does not justify killing Palestinians on this scale," said the outspoken Republican. Israel launched Operation Cast Lead on December 27 against Gaza to put an end to rocket attacks launched from the coastal enclave. At least 888 Palestinians have been killed during the Israeli operation, while some 3,700 others are reported wounded. At least 10 Israeli soldiers have died in the now 16-day onslaught. Hamas, the democratically-elected ruler of the impoverished strip, demands a cessation of an 18-month Israeli blockade on Gaza before it stops rocket attacks on Israel. The US Congress endorsed a resolution Friday to support Israel in its offensive in Gaza, "recognizing Israel's right to defend itself against attacks from Gaza." Congressman Paul, however, says the resolution "clearly takes one side in a conflict that has nothing to do with the United States or US interests." "At the very least, the U.S. Congress should not be loudly proclaiming its support for the Israeli government's actions in Gaza," Paul added. The Israeli operation has entered its third week now, despite international calls and a UN Security Council resolution which urge an immediate end to the attacks against the densely-populated strip.
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#12. To: bluegrass, lady x, echo5sierra, noone222, scrapper2 (#8)
E5S you sound suspiciously like Old Zionist Friend.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids) RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP First, I am not Old Friend. Second, the war between Israel and Hamas is none of our business. We should not be supporting either side. Third, I am in favor of the elimination of Islam, the belief system, not muslims, the human beings. Islam is a sex, murder death cult and should be eliminated from the Earth, because they want to do the same to us. http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD218109
No believers, no Islam.
Everyone should have the opportunity to change.
Fourth, Eliminate Zionism. Agree?
Define Zionism.
Define Zionism. You know what Zionism is. Do you support Zionism or not?
Mankind has been one of those for as long as we've been here, even before the 3 main desert religions came on the scene to spread their brand of death. Yes, I agree. There are sex/death cult Islamics. I would also say we have clear evidence (turn on any television or go to any movie theater) that Zionists are also a sex/death cult. Destroying men, minds and morality is what they do and they do it well, regardless of the weapon..media, psychology or bombs. The people perpetrating the Gaza slaughter are as Evil as the cultists chopping heads worldwide. The only difference is the technological advancements of the groups. They're all barbarians and huns. The other sex/murder death cult is TheStateInc. There have been many such cults, but our version of this cult has perpetrated criminal acts no less heinous than the religious death cults or other State cults in history. It also needs to suffer the same fate as the relious death cults (even those death cults you've never heard of in jungles and rain forests worldwide.) All are Evil. All perpetrate destruction on innocents in order to project and perpetuate power. None of what one group does, however, justifies the murder of innocents, especially children/infants. For all I know, these kinds of belief systems and the destruction they cause could have been going on since the stone age. Our species contains many Evil and ignorant groups and individuals. Perhaps there's a reason we are here on this prison ship called Earth. The other beings in the universe don't want us, or our rehabilitation is not going as planned.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids) RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids) RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP What is your definition of Zionism? As I understand it, is the political movement that agitates for the Jewish homeland to be Israel, and for all Jews to make Aaliyah from whatever country they live in. Do I support it? I think any drive for must be made on secular terms, as any religious drive is invalid. Do Jews have the right to live there? Technically, only ethnic Jews, such as Sephardic Jews, since the ethnic homeland of Ashkenazi Jews is somewhere in Central Asia, based on recent reports that the Khazar capital city is somewhere in the -stans. That's my answer. If you feel it's mealy mouthed or tepid, ok. It's a complicated issue.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids) RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP Well put and very insightful. Until we understand the travesty of our insincere Christian leaders and their failure to be strong leaders against the injustices of our elected officials (put in office by the Zionist Jews AND Zionist Christians), we are doomed.
Paul does tell us this much about theStateinc. Who is behind it? Who is at the bottom of the rabbit hole of the StateInc.? I don't know. Maybe we don't really want to know. Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
It is also an awesome fund raising move.
Well put and very insightful. Until we understand the travesty of our insincere Christian leaders and their failure to be strong leaders against the injustices of our elected officials (put in office by the Zionist Jews AND Zionist Christians), we are doomed. "I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." ~ Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
Do you feel there are Jews who are not Zionists? What about Christians?
That is one thing I agree with you on, 2012, is that the Zionist Jewish lobby (AIPAC) wields WAY too much influence over us. Israel is a sovereign nation, just like we are. They should stay out of our business just like we should stay out of other countries' affairs.
~ Thanks for the factual addition.
"Yes" to both of your questions.
It seems that Mainstream Christianity has been taken over by the Left Behind/DominionistCovenant Theology crowd that says we need to hold the middle east to "help" God with his plans for the end of the world, which these types are arrogant enough to think has to happen in their lifetimes. Poppycock.
As I have said so many times, "History repeats itself". It takes many years of patient reading and research to understand just how true that statement is. Unfortunately, I have been trying to cram those many years into the few I have lived in retirement. I will say that I recognize others on this site that HAVE taken that time. The content of their posts are very enlightening and often give shortcuts to finding the truth.
But we both know they won't.
Here is another one: "We killed them out of a certain naive hubris. Believing with absolute certitude that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our own ..." ~ Ari Shavat. Reproduced in the New York Times, May 27th, 1999
Was the aforementioned theology taught 100, or even 50 years ago? I am only 32, and an Old Baptist, so I really have no experience or memory to draw on in this matter. It does seem to me, however, that this kind of thinking started with Scofield's Secret Rapture notes in his first study Bible, and metastasized from there. (Metastasis is one of my favorite words, and is also my Halo name). Ha!
Another factual statement. I see you read and research. Keep it up and I stand to learn a lot more. Thanks for sharing.
You are welcome.
My research has shown such teachings began in the early 1800's in the book "The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty" (written by a deceptive Catholic monk ... Emmanuel Lacunza .... under the pseudonym Juan Josafat Ben Ezra, who supposedly was a Jew who converted to Christianity). The concepts of that book eventually grew through time to what we have today from Edward Irving, John Nelson Darby, Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, D. L. Moody and others. Since you made note of Scofield, you may find the following link interesting as to the myth behind the man ... http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/files/cyrus/scofield.htm There is much to be considered from the internet. Keep up your research ... it will take you to many interesting sources, places and opinions.
Dr. Paul is the only good American of the bunch of sold out rascals on Capitol Hill - greedy pigs at the Israel Lobby trough are they.
Islam is Judaism's thuggish little brother, I really have no use for either considering the trouble they both stir up decade after decade. It would behoove America to wash her hands of the whole ME and let them duke it out, it's what they're itching to do.
It does seem to me, however, that this kind of thinking started with Scofield's Secret Rapture notes in his first study Bible, and metastasized from there. (Metastasis is one of my favorite words, and is also my Halo name). Ha! It has it's roots in Calvinism, but it began with John Nelson Darby, most famous among the Plymouth Brethren in the mid/late 1820's. Darby wrote about the secret rapture which Scofield added to in his study Bible. A fatal flaw with Christian Zionism is who the remnant are as described in Romans 11. Reading the Church Fathers and re-reading St Paul, one begins to understand the remnant was a then present tense reference. In other words, the remnant for whose sake we were are all grafted onto the branch were the disciples, apostles and scant few followers of Christ. Those who were at that time obedient to God, understanding the Holy Prophets, and recognized Christ for who He was. For their sake, we are grafted onto the branch. Christian Zionism teaches the remnant is Israel. Some of the more ardent Christian Zionists I have met over the years would say we are continually grafted onto the branch because of modern day Israel and we risk our very salvation turning our back on them as God's chosen people. It gets complex from there and I'm too tired to get into to it much. Israel has a lot of significance. They are still the chosen people of God and God still honors the Abrahamic Covenant of blessing those who bless Abraham (Israel) and cursing those who curse Abraham (Israel). A duality is occurring. God blessing His church through Christ and God is keeping a separate and ongoing blessing with Israel and they are interwoven. Abraham met with three angles, one of whom was the Divine Logos (Word of God, IE- Christ). Abraham is told by God he would be blessed with offspring too numerous to count, land more than he could possibly fathom because of his faith. Understand what the real covenant is. It is a promise of blessing life over death. Abraham had no son, no land, nothing. In ancient times, this would signify death. Having met the Divine Logos, receiving his blessing of life over death and understanding the sin sacrifice of his only son, heir to this great blessing of life it becomes painfully obvious the Abrahamic Covenant is a symbolic reference to Christ the Savior and preparation for what was coming. Christ who tramples down death by death. In Christ we have life more abundantly. In Christ, life over death. Christ, whose followers are now too numerous to count and stretch out over the entirety of the Earth as now all nations are blessed. Christ, the second Adam, who restored all of creation to it's rightful position with God at His very birth and through His life and death on the Cross, allows the decedents of Adam and Eve to once again live in the fullness and existence of God by having the curse of death lifted, the stain of sin removed. When you understand the message of Abraham is one of life, the veil comes of Christian Zionism for the blasphemy it is. Christian Zionism is a deception and perversion of death.
"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.
Hey, haven't seen you around in awhile ! (Been on vacation ???)
"Yes" to both of your questions. In many instances discussions are carried on about the Jewish situation where the parties having the conversation each have a different image of Jewry in their mind. One may think it's a religious thing, another may think it's an ethnic thing and in some rare instances it may be one or both of those. But, in most cases the majority of modern Jewry today are ethnically gentiles whose ancestors took on the religious practice called Judaism, that would better be described as (this is key) Babylonian Talmudism. For all practical purposes Babylonian Talmudism is a political/economic system more than anything religious. The average Jew today is about as knowledgeable of their "religion" as the average Christian, and follow the appointed leadership's direction in ignorance just like their Christian counterparts. The salient point is that for all practical purposes these people called Jews have never been eligible to inherit the promise made to the "heirs" of Abraham as there is no ethnic connection between today's Jew and biblical Israelites, therefore no right of return since these "Jews" are descended from a non- Israelite line that began at Japeth (Genesis 10:3 SEE ASHKENAZ/ASHKENAZI JEW) rather than Shem who was the Patriarch of the Israelites and ancestor of Abraham. In truth the biblical promises made to Abraham shouldn't have ANY bearing on the establishment of a secular STATE under a UN Mandate. This is smoke and mirrors that camoflauges a political movement called zionism which ultimately expects world domination according to the BABYLONIAN TALMUDIC TEACHINGS and has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bible other than to allow zionist agents the ability to convince millions of ignorant Christians to support their own destruction and enslavement. I always do this. I start out to make a point and then get side tracked. The point I wanted to make is that the images conjured up in people's minds when discussing this subject are varied to such a degree that the discussion may be perceived differently by everyone participating. Lastly, there's a biblical scripture that states "God is NOT the author of confusion" ... this is true. Another scripture states that "God will NOT be mocked" ... this concerns me since we spend a lot of our lifetimes mocking God. I try not to be a preachy-teachy a-hole because there are a multitude of aspects related to scripture that are not at all concerned with spiritual matters but with real life issues such as the monetary system which we have strayed from to our own detriment and enslavement to these BABYLONIAN TALMUDIC SUBVERSIVES.
Well put my friend. It's always convenient for the psychopaths to blend a little religion with their murder campaigns so as to lead the sheep blindly and ignorantly to slaughter others or be slaughtered themselves. Each act should be judged for what it is not dissected into what religious belief system the perpetrator adheres to.
TX... I make it a policy to refrain from threads that make religion the paramount topic of discussion or argument. The reason being, there are no winners, only losers. Perhaps fifty years ago or more, a Protestant minister told me this..."There is you and there is YOUR God, never allow ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING to come between".
Well said. That is what I was trying to make clear in the post.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Countries Without a Draft circa 2001 (You'll need this soon if you have kids) RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP If you call fighting the maladies of old age, then I have been on vacation. However, I look at it as vacating my normal activity of years past to find a way to endure old age. (BTW, suffered heart attack just before Thanksgiving, but recuperating to the degree I am having to accept a slower pace of life.) Is definitely not a process for sissies!!! In any event, thanks for asking.
interesting thought..
Excellent, excellent summary of the history on the subject. To correlate my answer to echo's original question, however, I have found there are a few "Jews" in today's world who are as accepting of this history as you and I are. In fact, in my travels on this super informational highway, I have found a few who openly dispute the Babylonnian Talmudic teachings and warn other "Jews" to do the same.
So sorry to hear that 2000. I've been blessed up to this point in spite of numerous bad habits. That doesn't mean much, I'm a 1950 model but I have a million miles. Get better ASAP.
I totally agree with you. Good post.
eradication of Islam
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#13. To: IndieTX (#12)
E5S you sound suspiciously like Old Zionist Friend.
#14. To: echo5sierra (#13)
Third, I am in favor of the elimination of Islam, the belief system, not muslims, the human beings.
#15. To: Cynicom (#14)
#16. To: echo5sierra (#13)
Third, I am in favor of the elimination of Islam, the belief system, not muslims, the human beings. Islam is a sex, murder death cult and should be eliminated from the Earth, because they want to do the same to us.
#17. To: TwentyTwelve (#16)
Fourth, Eliminate Zionism.
#18. To: echo5sierra (#17)
Fourth, Eliminate Zionism.
#19. To: echo5sierra, jethro tull, noone222, original_intent, christine, psusa, lady x, twenty twelve, x-15, farmfriend, ALL (#13)
Islam is a sex, murder death cult and should be eliminated from the Earth, because they want to do the same to us.
Yes I believe that if any of these crazy religious zealots with idealizations of head removings and child rape were able to gain access, we'd all be dead. But since we're still here, we should ask if the problem is with the individuals that make up the death cult groups, or is it with the religions under whose umbrellas they alledge to practice?
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#20. To: cynicom (#19)
ping sir
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#21. To: TwentyTwelve (#18)
You know what Zionism is.
#22. To: redpanther (#19)
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#23. To: noone222 (#3)
I am so sick of the sanctimonious bullshit spewed by the fake Christians and their moral leadership that sit behind the micro-phones of Jew owned propaganda outlets.
#24. To: IndieTX (#19)
The other sex/murder death cult is TheStateInc.
#25. To: Phant2000 (#23)
our insincere Christian leaders
#26. To: Phant2000, noone222, Original_Intent (#23)
I am so sick of the sanctimonious bullshit spewed by the fake Christians and their moral leadership that sit behind the micro-phones of Jew owned propaganda outlets.
#27. To: Phant2000 (#23)
Zionist Jews AND Zionist Christians
#28. To: TwentyTwelve (#26)
we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
#29. To: TwentyTwelve (#26)
"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
#30. To: echo5sierra (#27)
Do you feel there are Jews who are not Zionists? What about Christians?
#31. To: Phant2000 (#30)
#32. To: echo5sierra (#31)
It seems that Mainstream Christianity has been taken over by the Left Behind/DominionistCovenant Theology crowd ...
#33. To: echo5sierra (#28)
...They should stay out of our business just like we should stay out of other countries' affairs.
#34. To: Phant2000 (#29)
Thanks for the factual addition.
#35. To: Phant2000 (#32)
#36. To: TwentyTwelve (#34)
"We killed them out of a certain naive hubris ..." from Ari Shavat.
#37. To: Phant2000 (#36)
Thanks for sharing.
#38. To: echo5sierra (#35)
Was the aforementioned theology taught 100, or even 50 years ago? ... It does seem to me, however, that this kind of thinking started with Scofield's Secret Rapture notes in his first study Bible ...
#39. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
Congressman Paul, however, says the resolution "clearly takes one side in a conflict that has nothing to do with the United States or US interests."
#40. To: IndieTX (#19)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#41. To: echo5sierra (#35)
Was the aforementioned theology taught 100, or even 50 years ago? I am only 32, and an Old Baptist, so I really have no experience or memory to draw on in this matter.
#42. To: Phant2000 (#23)
#43. To: Phant2000, echo5sierra (#30)
(Edited)
Do you feel there are Jews who are not Zionists? What about Christians?
#44. To: IndieTX (#19)
#45. To: IndieTX (#20)
#46. To: noone222, CYNICOM (#44)
Each act should be judged for what it is.. not dissected into what religious belief system the perpetrator adheres to.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#47. To: noone222 (#42)
Been on vacation ???)
#48. To: IndieTX (#19)
For all I know, these kinds of belief systems and the destruction they cause could have been going on since the stone age. Our species contains many Evil and ignorant groups and individuals. Perhaps there's a reason we are here on this prison ship called Earth. The other beings in the universe don't want us, or our rehabilitation is not going as planned.
#49. To: noone222 (#43)
[All that you wrote above]
#50. To: Phant2000 (#47)
If you call fighting the maladies of old age, then I have been on vacation.
#51. To: noone222 (#43)
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